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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 626
Wednesday, February 24th 1993
(C) Copyright 1993 Paranet Information Service. All Rights Reserved.
Today's Topics:
Life In The Universe
Life In The Universe
Re: SUBMISSION TO NEWSLET.
Re: "truth"
Unsolved Mysteries
Ground Clutter...
Alabama Mutilations
New Affiliate
Baker Paper
Colorado Ufo Update
"truth"
Ground Clutter...
Alabama Mutilations
Baker Paper
W.va "tremor"
SITE7.UFO
VWQUAKES
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Life In The Universe
Date: 17 Feb 93 11:12:04 GMT
* Forwarded from "Alt.Alien.Visitors"
* Originally by John Riley
* Originally to All
* Originally dated 12 Feb 1993, 20:02
From: jriley@csisun.uucp (John Riley)
Date: 12 Feb 93 16:21:57 GMT
Organization: CompuSci, Inc
Message-ID: <C2CG4M.8BE@csisun.uucp>
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
about a year ago, i read an extremely informative and thought-provoking
work by a german scientist whose name i dont recall concerning the whole
issue of life in the universe, regarding informed speculation as to its
probability, the nature of a possible creator, etc. it was published in
the early sixties.
at any rate, based upon the this work, and some other readings in the
area of SETI, the drake equation, etc., i would like to submit some
items of information that are not generally known, but important to an
informed understanding of issues relating to other life, other intelligences,
alien touristry, and the like.
o we have yet to discover unequivocal evidence of another planet in
the known universe. it is almost certain that a gargantuan number
of planets exist, but important to realise how limited our cosmic
eyesight is, in terms of fine resolution.
o the sun is evidently a third or fourth generation star. it is only
in latter generation stars that the heavier elements required for
life as we know it (metals used for coenzymes fe, mg, mn, etc.)
could be formed. therefore, in spite or the youth of our system
relative to the total age of the universe (roughly 1/3), it is
not absurd to entertain the notion that we may be not too far
from the vanguard of evolution and intelligence in the universe.
- at any rate, the notion that there are extremely ancient
intelligences becomes a difficult one to maintain.
the conclusion i am led to as the result of these and other
considerations regarding the narrow conditions under which life
as we understand it is likely to arise and be stably maintained is that
our role in the universe may be much more important than we now realise.
jjr
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From: Vince.Johnson@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Vince Johnson)
Subject: Life In The Universe
Date: 17 Feb 93 17:46:00 GMT
> of planets exist, but important to realise how limited our cosmic
> eyesight is, in terms of fine resolution.
>
>o the sun is evidently a third or fourth generation star. it is only
> in latter generation stars that the heavier elements required for
> life as we know it (metals used for coenzymes fe, mg, mn, etc.)
> could be formed. therefore, in spite or the youth of our system
> relative to the total age of the universe (roughly 1/3), it is
> not absurd to entertain the notion that we may be not too far
> from the vanguard of evolution and intelligence in the universe.
> - at any rate, the notion that there are extremely ancient
> intelligences becomes a difficult one to maintain.
I don't think that you are correct in the assumption that only 3rd
or 4th generation solar systems can possess the necessary heavier
elements for biochemistry. These heavier elements are produced
during supernova explosions, which can occur anytime that a large
star has used up its nuclear fuel ( at this stage, Carbon, Nitrogen,
and Oxygen). This could easily occur in a 1st generation star.
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From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: SUBMISSION TO NEWSLET.
Date: 15 Feb 93 16:03:48 GMT
Yes Brenda is active on Prodigy and her ID is in the text of the previous
message. She's in Las Vegas for a couple of weeks, so don't expect a rapid
reply if you do send her some e-mail. She's doing some filming (not strictly
pleasure trip) and has directions to the hills north of the city, so she
might do some night sight-seeing. If she comes up with anything, I'll forward
it over here.
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From: John.Burke@f9.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke)
Subject: Re: "truth"
Date: 18 Feb 93 06:50:00 GMT
Tom Davis writes:
> * * *
> The scientific community is full of those who have stepped
> out of their initially chosen field of endeavor to make
> substantial contributions in other areas. The mere fact
> that a person is working outside of a specific discipline
> is not in itself sufficient reason to negate the results of
> that work.
Karla Turner is no scientist. Her Ph.D is in English Studies.
Such individuals have little or no training in scientific
methodology. As a result, any "work" done by such individuals
outside their own areas of expertise will suffer from a lack of
scientific validity.
This again raises my earlier point about the particular area of
"alien abduction" study. Too many of the "experts" aren't even
scientists of any sort, when in fact, the expertise of a mental
health professional is the *only* type of experience that can
qualify one to conduct such research. This will not only provide
integrity for the research conducted, but it should also protect
the psychological well-being of the people who are the subjects
of such studies.
-- John
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From: compulink.co.uk!cix.comp
Subject: Unsolved Mysteries
Date: 18 Feb 93 19:34:03 GMT
From: Server Systems Ltd <rtrevelyan@cix.compulink.co.uk>
The video forwarded by 'Guardian' was also sent to Bob Oeschler. He
showed it at the 1992 MUFON Pensacola conference. I too thought it
was very impressive, except for the 'aliens', but the fact that it
just arrived through the mail does make it smack of MJ12. The video
he received had a typed envelope and tape label. This tape label had
the word Guardian, or The Guardian, plus a finger or thumb print. I
believe the other tape was sent to a Canadian TV company and also had
a finger or thumb print but the video label was hand written.
Included in the package sent to Bob Oeschler were DND classified
documents and photos in addition to maps and a couple of really weird
phrases and words on the back and front of playing cards, Aces I
think.
All very interesting but the one thing Bob did not show was the
aliens on video, only photo. Did Unsolved Mysteries show this part of
the film. The photos made the 'alien's face kinda look like a dog
muzzle with the all too familiar almond shaped black eyes.
Does anyone know how far we in the UK are behind with the Unsolved
Mysteries programs. We have just had the program about Rudolph Hess.
Timothy Good has a new book out in March called Alien Update - The
contact Continues, published By Arrow. UK paperback price is 4.99UKP
Does anyone know how the Anglo-American documentary he has mentioned
many times is doing. He had hoped to show the video of the proported
UFO landing at Holloman Air base in the 60's (1964??)
Regards, Robert
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From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@f201.n350.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff)
Subject: Ground Clutter...
Date: 18 Feb 93 04:27:00 GMT
MC>> That's a bit odd though, if they could see the lights
MC>> visually, why could they not see them on their radar? From
MC>> my experiences with radar, anything high enough to be seen
MC>> visually, could also be seen on the screen, unless it was
MC>> composed of a non-reflecting material. What do you think?
MC>They explained to the sheriff's department that it was too low to see them on
MC>radar due to ground clutter. This is normal.
I suppose that _would_ be true Mike. Most of my radar experience
has been while sailing... not much "ground clutter" at sea, except in
heavy weather of course.
Do you have any comments on the recent posting alluding to the
possibility of "lights in a home" being the genesis of the sighting?
Doesn't seem to make much sense that a ground source could be
mistaken for an aerial one!
--Sheldon
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From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@f201.n350.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff)
Subject: Alabama Mutilations
Date: 18 Feb 93 04:27:00 GMT
This message was from JERRY WOODY to ALL,
originally in conference Bama
and was forwarded to you by SHELDON WERNIKOFF.
-------------------------
Monday night, Feb. 15 the Cattle Mutilations story occuring in North Alabama
was broken wide open by a report from WVTM-TV Channel 13 in Birmingham
Alabama. Tuesday morning, Feb. 16 WVTM-TV again ran the cattle mutilation
story and expanded the incidents from Albertville to the Sand Mountain region,
Lookout Mtn. region and beyond. This afternoon, the story was broke by many
major newspapers across Alabama, and even the smaller ones (it was even in
the Cullman Times). There ARE now confirmed reports from the DeKalb County
Sherriffs office of heavy UFO activity in the areas that the cattle
mutilations are occuring. The cows' organs and blood have been removed; and
no leads or suspects have occured in nearly 5 months and nearly 20 cattle
mutilations. Coyote activity HAS been ruled out by state and counties game
and wildlife officers as the cows were too big, no other parts gone except
the organs, no blood and numerous other reasons.
I will scan the newsclip tonight and post it later tonight for the specifics;
I just wanted to get this on the air.
Rest assured, as we received information it -will- be passed onto the Odyssey
Echos as fast as possible. Odyssey DOESN'T believe in witholding information
for either personal or financial gains. PLUS- You don't have to conform to a
'pay for view' echo to get this information; all we know is available FREE to
the public and other investigators.
Jerry Woody
Odyssey Administrator
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: New Affiliate
Date: 19 Feb 93 08:47:04 GMT
This is to welcome David Bloomberg of Springfield, Illinois
to the ParaNet family.
He is ParaNet ALPHA-KAPPA(sm).
Please welcome him!
Michael Corbin
Director
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From: Don.Allen@p1.f81.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen)
Subject: Baker Paper
Date: 17 Feb 93 00:59:02 GMT
Anson,
Received the Baker paper today. Thank you!
This sure makes a lot more sense than most stuff I've come across in
the last few years ..and it's fascinating reading.
I've often wondered about all those abduction stats that were carelessly
tossed about and this report only serves to re-inforce my belief that
there is perhaps very little hard evidence to support not only the
claims, but also the alledged by-products..ie..implants.
It's too bad that this report couldn't be made widely available on
the BBS's. I'm of the opinion that we need to consider both sides
of the abduction issue, not just the 'believer' side.
Don
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From: Clark.Matthews@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Colorado Ufo Update
Date: 19 Feb 93 07:27:00 GMT
In a message to Jim Dickerson <16 Feb 93 19:43> Sheldon Wernikoff wrote:
>JD>can see how a person without binoculars might think that they were hovering,
>JD>and changing formation.
SW> Do you believe it's possible that this is what was actually observed?
SW> Window lights blinking on and off in the darkness? Were there any other
SW> residences located in the area - or just the aforementioned home?
SW> Interesting... --Sheldon
Hi! If I could chip in with my 2 cents here, I got fooled by a similar
phenomenon several years ago. Jim Speiser may remember this. There is a house
perched among the hills along the Palisades Parkway by the Hudson River. It's
on a lonely stretch of the road, high up on a hill. The parkway curves and
banks sharply near the spot. It's about 7 miles NNW of the Indian Point
nuclear station.
I saw the lights of this house late one night -- the high angle, darkness, and
relative banking/curving motion of my car absolutely convinced me I was seeing
a large UFO.
I got off the road and went back, but from the southbound lanes you couldn't
see the place. I went to the next exit, came back in my original direction,
and saw nothing (I guess they went to bed...).
A week later, after an excited echomail message to Jim Speiser, I was on the
same road at the same time and saw it again. I stopped and immediately
realized my mistake.
It sounds incredible, but house lights (especially in unexpected places) can be
very convincing. In my case, the relative motion of the car and the
twisty/turny road made the effect really something, because it looked like the
house was maneuvering among the hills.
I just offer this as personal experience, since I have no facts on the Colorado
sighting(s) beyond what Mike Keithly and others have reported. Regardless of
that, the thing Mike Corbin observed high in the sky over downtown Denver last
year (along with apparently thousands of citizens & police) does NOT sound
like any kind of domicile, earthbound or flying.
Best,
Clark
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: "truth"
Date: 19 Feb 93 08:41:01 GMT
> This again raises my earlier point about the particular area of "alien
> abduction" study. Too many of the "experts" aren't even scientists of
> any sort, when in fact, the expertise of a mental health professional is
> the *only* type of experience that can qualify one to conduct such
> research. This will not only provide integrity for the research
> conducted, but it should also protect the psychological well-being of
> the people who are the subjects of such studies.
I fully agree with this John. I don't understand why this isn't a requirement
before everyone goes off half-cocked with their "assumptions" about what is
happening to the abductees.
Mike
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Ground Clutter...
Date: 19 Feb 93 08:43:02 GMT
> Do you have any comments on the recent posting alluding to the
> possibility of "lights in a home" being the genesis of the sighting?
> Doesn't seem to make much sense that a ground source could be
> mistaken for an aerial one!
I personally don't feel that the lights on the home, or possibly a restaurant,
had anything to do with the lights that the deputy saw. I also feel that after
"14 years on the job," it is unlikely that he would have made such an error.
However, I suspect that if that is a home up on the hill, they would have had
an excellent vantage point to see this object as it would have been in the
vicinity of the object. We have been unable to determine how to get up there,
but that is part of the ongoing investigation.
Mike
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Alabama Mutilations
Date: 19 Feb 93 08:46:03 GMT
> This message was from JERRY WOODY to ALL,
> originally in conference Bama
> and was forwarded to you by SHELDON WERNIKOFF.
> -------------------------
> Rest assured, as we received information it -will- be passed onto the Odyssey
> Echos as fast as possible. Odyssey DOESN'T believe in witholding information
> for either personal or financial gains. PLUS- You don't have to conform to a
> 'pay for view' echo to get this information; all we know is available FREE to
> the public and other investigators.
> Jerry Woody
> Odyssey Administrator
Just curious, was this prepared specifically for distribution to ParaNet?
Please pass along to Jerry that we are anxiously awaiting further information,
and thank him for his timely contribution.
Mike
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From: Vince.Johnson@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Vince Johnson)
Subject: Baker Paper
Date: 19 Feb 93 22:43:00 GMT
Any chance of posting the Baker paper? If you send me a copy (Via
HUFON) I'll be happy to scan it to a text file.
Regards,
Vince
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: W.va "tremor"
Date: 21 Feb 93 00:48:01 GMT
* Forwarded from "Alt.Alien.Visitors"
* Originally by Andy Kurtz
* Originally to All
* Originally dated 17 Feb 1993, 14:45
From: ak35+@andrew.cmu.edu (Andy Kurtz)
Date: 16 Feb 93 23:13:30 GMT
Organization: Doctoral student, English, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
Message-ID: <EfULIO_00Uh_47gu0r@andrew.cmu.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
I heard on the news this afternoon that residents in southeastern West
Virginia heard a loud "sonic boom" which was followed by an "earth
tremor." The news showed a graphic that had concentric circles
superimposed, earthquake fashion, over a large portion of southern
W.Va.. The government reports that no geological disturbance was
detected and said that it was probably the result of a "sonic-boom".
Anyone have any further info on this?
andy
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From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)
Subject: SITE7.UFO
Date: 18 Feb 93 18:00:02 GMT
TIME: 02/17 9:29 AM
TO: ALL
FROM: CARL ARRINGTON (FNSS25A)
SUBJECT: ALL READ: SITE SEVEN
ANNOUNCEMENT: I have come across some dramatic
photographic evidence that MAY indicate the DISCOVERY of
what is being called "Site Seven," a heretofore unidentified
locale of exotic geological/cosmic activity.
CAVEAT EMPTOR:This could be a very elaborate, clever
hoax. Best to presume this until further verification.
WHAT I KNOW: I have personally examined a set of 5 x 7 }}
color photographs purportedly taken at "Site Seven." (There
may also be videotapes.) A source who I will henceforth call
"The Narrator" claims to have taken these photos within the
past year. I have NOT been told the exact location of "Site
Seve"--or even on what continent the photos were taken. The
source of this material seems very anxious to preserve the
physical integrity of the site.
The photos appear to have been taken during a sunny day in
what could be a desert mountain area. Several shots show
unmarked open fissures or deep caves with melted rock
coming out from these hubs in radial formation. The }}}
Narrator said "Site Seven" covered an area of at least 1
sq. mile and appears to have been subjected to intense
blasts of heat and energy. There are no signs of fresh
volcanic lava, but the landscape has clearly been
dramatically altered by SOMETHING. Certain rock formations
indicate nonrandom geometric patterning.
Medium close-up shots show cream-colored rocks (not found
outside "S-7") which The Narrator theorizes might have once
comprised the outer shell of some object like an asteroid or
meteor. One photo depicts a translucent brownish rock that
looks like it contains a snake's head solidified in stone.}}
Other photos show two large blackened tree trunks which
appear to have been defoliated by some intense heat source.
In the base of one of these trees is a smooth oblong
shell-like hole (approx. 1 ft. diameter) cleanly burned into
the trunk with a charred, assymetrical hole disappearing
into the bottom. Visible in a close-up inside the hole is
what appears to be a grey metallic (?) object about 5 inches
across that is roughly the same shape as the charred
opening. The Narrator reports that when someone put their
hand into the opening they felt what they describe as "a
shock or jolt of electricity." (No verification of this.)}}
The growth of large crystal beds is also reported at
"S-7." One party reported hearing a high-pitched tone or
buzz in the area. Others did not hear it.
WHAT TO MAKE OF ALL OF THIS? It depends. A geologist
might quickly identify "S-7" as the ground zero of intense
meteor showers or a spot where the dust of an ancient comet
tail touched down. Even more exotic explanations are
possible. Regardless, it is clear to me that "Site Seven"
warrants further exploration to determine the exact nature
of the phenomena in these photographs & witness reports.
If you think you can provide substantive resources or }}}
expertise to this project, please contact me by PRIVATE
MESSAGE. Serious principals ONLY.
Punters, skeptics or the merely curios-minded may feel free
to kick around this information on bb's or any other pulic
forums. NOTE: To protect the exclusive nature of this story
and my source, I may have deliberately placed several pieces
of misinformation in this announcement.
AND, we haven't told you everything we've seen.
CA
Filename: "SITE7.MSG"
Comment: I'm at this time, totally unconvinced about this report. I won't
take the time to pick it apart until I hear from anyone else who has any
confirmation of any of it. Biggest problem is the author admits he has
included false information. I suppose that way when it doesn't match, he can
say, Oh that was part of the text to confuse you about the site etc. I did
reply to him and asked why if we are supposed to be against secrecy and
disinformation did he post false information and try to keep it a secret? My
other thought is for him to send the real facts to 1000 people and that way
insure it would not get lost or covered up.
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From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)
Subject: VWQUAKES
Date: 19 Feb 93 20:47:56 GMT
Mystery Tremor Felt in West Virginia
Hundreds of people in southern West Virginia reported
feeling the earth shake and hearing a thunder-like sound
Monday evening, but authorities are at a loss to say what
caused it.
The US Geological Survey's Natl Earthquake Information
Center in Golden, Colo, said there was nothing to indicate
an earthquake had occurred. Emergency officials in Raleigh
and Fayette counties are investigating, said Scott Tygrett,
a dispatcher for the Fayette County sheriff's office.
Brian Fox, a disc jockey at WJLS radio in Beckley, said
he had 400-500 calls from Raleigh, Fayette, Summers,
Greenbrier, Boone and Wyoming counties.
"A lot of people are saying it shook their whole house,
that it felt like a wave coming through," Fox said.
John Price, news director at Oak Hill TV station WOAY-TV,
said dozens of calls began coming in shortly after 6:30 PM
(EST).
John Minsch, a geophysicist with the US Geological
Survey, said the disturbance could have been a sonic boom,
which he said often is mistaken for an earthquake.
"I didn't see a thing that looked like an earthquake," he
said.
Federal Aviation Administration officials in Charleston
said they received no reports of a sonic boom in southern
West Virginia.
Steve Webber, director of the state's Office of Miners'
Health, Safety and Training, said his agency had received no
reports of any mine accidents that might account for the
noise and shaking.
=== Didn't see this posted anywhere, so I thought I'd forward it here.
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