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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 578
Friday, August 7th 1992
(C) Copyright 1992 Paranet Information Service. All Rights Reserved.
Today's Topics:
Re: K2 And The Phoenix Hoax
Out There, the movie
"ogden Objects"
Re: Witnessed Abduction - Linda
Re: AURORA & NASA?
"October Surprise"
Let The Truth Be Told!
"ogden Objects"
"ogden Objects"
UFO Conference - Mars
UFO Conference - Mars2
Ufo Rendez-vous
AURORA & NASA?
"October Surprise"
"ogden Objects"
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From: John.Burke@f9.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke)
Subject: Re: K2 And The Phoenix Hoax
Date: 30 Jul 92 04:33:00 GMT
David Brune writes:
>
> You may be interested to know, that I have managed to get
> Jack and the Phoenix Group to enter into an online
> conference on CIS! It will be interesting what
> is said and what questions are asked, and how people will
> feel afterwards. If the guy or group is hoaxing all this,
> as some people believe, then they sure have some guts to
> go into an online conference. I'll keep you posted.
Nope. John Lear had at least one online conference on CI$.
Cooper may have had one as well. At least *those* guys had the
guts to use their real names. Again, I wouldn't be too surprised
to find out that Lear was behind this one.
> If the guy or group is hoaxing all this, as some people
> believe ...
I think *most* people believe that it's a hoax.
-- John
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From: cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com!vanth!jms
Subject: Out There, the movie
Date: 30 Jul 92 05:36:37 GMT
From: vanth!jms@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Jim Shaffer)
To: All
What ever happened to the movie version of 'Out There'? The last I heard,
it was supposed to be released in May. Did we all miss it, or did it never
come out?
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37 Brook Street | jms%vanth@cbmvax.commodore.com | next door; let's go'
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From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: "ogden Objects"
Date: 30 Jul 92 20:31:01 GMT
>I've seen a file on the story you mentioned. It's called
>OGDENENI.TXT and concerns the fictional story you describe,
>except in this case, it's a crashed (100 foot diameter) flying
>saucer that the military recovers and moves to Utah near the
>Dugway Prooving Ground (remember the nerve gas leak there
>during the 60s.. killed a bunch of cattle.. sounds like the
>movie CE3K). I don't believe the story concerned any
>excavations of artifacts as in the "Ogden Objects" story. If
>you like I'll upload this file to you.
Hi Vince,
Thanks for the reply. I'd love to have the file if it's not
too much trouble for you to send. Thank you so much for the thought
and the generous offer. Is it going to be contained in a message or
should I look in the files section to find it when you've sent the
file?
>By the way, I have to ask.. are you the same Peggy Noonan that
>writes speeches for the GOP?
Ah, I wish I were...(financially, at least - I wouldn't want her
headaches dealing with politicians! No Thanks!!) No, she's the
political specialist and I write for magazines on topics of health,
science and medicine and "the weird" such as UFO, cat.mute., etc.
(I've often wondered what it did to her reputation to have her
byline attached to a story on cattle mutilations, for instance...<g>)
In fact, funny you should ask, I just had a weird phone tag session
this week. Guy I've been trying to reach on another topic (he's a
public relations officer for a company representing an inventor I
wanted to contact for an article I was working on) left me a message
that didn't make sense. I called him back, left a message, got no
reply, called again, was told "I'm sure he returned your call, but
I'll give him another message," and so on repeated a few...turns out
he thought I was the P.N. on the medical staff at a local hospital
and he'd been calling *her* back in response to my messages, despite
my leaving a number. And the first weird message on my machine was
intended for her. Now I've got to find her...too curious not to!
Thanks, again for the offer of the file. I'll be eager to see it.
==Peggy
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From: Bud.Jamison@f502.n202.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bud Jamison)
Subject: Re: Witnessed Abduction - Linda
Date: 28 Jul 92 12:55:00 GMT
My major question on this is WHY was the xray not developed 2 days after it
was taken? ANY xray I've ever had, even non-emergency, was processed while I
waited, never more than one hour after it was taken.
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From: Bud.Jamison@f502.n202.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bud Jamison)
Subject: Re: AURORA & NASA?
Date: 28 Jul 92 13:18:01 GMT
Sounds like an interesting plane, Mazda (smogged) engine that does 1000 MPH.
Can I get the plans on that engine?? ;)
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From: Don.Allen@p1.f81.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen)
Subject: "October Surprise"
Date: 30 Jul 92 09:42:01 GMT
This was sent to me by a friend who typed it up from a bulletin
sent out from the C.A.C. (Cosmic Awareness) group, out in
Washington State. I'm posting it as-is and am asking anyone
who reads it to please take it with a BIG grain of salt. This
info has NOT been verified. Anyone who can verify or refute
it, please have at it. This will be posted to all the UFO
conferences. - Don
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ATTENTION: CIVIL WAR IS ABOUT TO BEGIN IN THE UNITED STATES!
YOU AND YOUR LOVED ONES ARE IN ACUTE DANGER! RACE RIOTS AND
SLAUGHTER OF AMERICANS WILL BE THE FIRST SIGN!
THIS IS NO JOKE! On July 4, 1992, at a UFO convention in Arca-
dia, CA, Mr. Michael Younger, a member of the super-secret COM-12
group and a scientist who worked at Groom Lake, Area 51 in
Nevada, stunned the audience of over 200 people with the
following incredible information, which, if true, endangers the
lives and freedoms of every American. Here is the amazing sce-
nario of the planned events:
Beginning in August of this year, 1992, a conspiracy long at work
behind the scenes of our government, will make its first overt
move. These conspirators plan to create a dictatorship in the
United States, suspend our Constitution and attempt to confiscate
all guns and firearms in American homes. Stage 1 being to create
"race riots" in major U.S. cities such as New York, Chicago,
Detroit, etc.; these to begin in August. This will be preceded
by a month of subliminal programming via TV and other media to
condition the people for civil war in the United States. The
accent will be on rap records such as "Body Count" released by
Time-Warner (a Rockefeller corporation) by musicians "Ice Tea"
and "Sister Solj" whose lyrics in such songs as "Cop Killers" are
designed to inflame and polarize its listeners. These rap songs
contain such lines as "kill white policemen," "kill the pigs",
"kill whitey", and "Why not kill whitey, if he can kill us?" etc.
In August Stage 2, code-named "Operation Hot August Nights" will
take effect. Special agents of the conspiracy, masquerading as
police, will open fire on minorities, namely Black Americans and
Hispanics and orientals. Other agents will set off incendiary
bombs as they did recently in the Los Angeles riots, which essen-
tially was a "test case" that surpassed the expectations of the
conspirators. These special agents, masquerading as police,
massacre these Blacks and minorities and fire at the real police-
men. This brings in more police and the riots escalate. "Skin
heads" and other gangs, already fully armed, join in the fray.
The real police, vastly outnumbered, cannot handle the rioting.
The National Guard is called in and fired upon by these special
agents masquerading as gang members, who also enlist other gang
members to fight the police and national guardsmen. These riots
continue through August, with many minority Americans slaughtered
in major cities.
State 3: In September, President Bush calls in United Nations
troops to quash the riots and restore law and order. American
troops had indicated they did not wish to fight against American
civilians. Bush executes Executive Orders, already in effect,
which now give the UN forces complete rights and freedom to enter
American homes, to confiscate all devices that are capable of
communicating information, which includes video cameras, VCRs,
computers, mimeographs, anything that can print, copy machines,
etc. These troops are furnished certain lists of names, particu-
larly those know as "Patriots" and these patriots and their
families are rounded up first, and if not executed on the spot,
are sent to any of the 13 concentration camps now fully activated
in the United States. There is nobody left to tell what really
happened. Curious neighbors will be told it was a justified
"drug raid." Those who escape to the hills and mountains are
hunted down by 'search and destroy' troops, specially trained for
mountain warfare. During September all borders will be closed
down, as well as airports. No one is allowed to leave the United
States.
Stage 4: In October an "official" announcement will be carried
live on TV, that extraterrestrial aliens, probably Zeta Reticuli
'Greys' have invaded the Earth, with some actual aliens
introduced on the show. (This is actually a fake invasion). The
aliens have been on Earth for many years, made treaties and
agreements with our governments; there are millions of them in
secret underground complexes such as Dulce, New Mexico, which are
responsible for the abduction of American children and citizens
and the cattle mutilations documented in books and on TV, such as
the recent special "Intruders". This announcement will cause the
entire world to mobilize under UN supervision to fight the 'inva-
ders'.
During November the chaos continues and more UN troops pour into
the United States, mostly mercenaries who have fought in African
nations and other 'hot spots' previously. (The butchery of these
troops is well documented).
Stage 5: In December a well-planned "crash" of the stock market
will occur, a dramatic drop to at least 1500 on the DJ Industrial
Average. This event planned to further weaken, panic and confuse
the population.
Stage 6: In February or March, 1993, President Bush will be
assassinated by the conspirators and Vice President Dan Quayle
will become President of the United States (this an option if
Bush moves too slowly). The Constitution of the United States is
suspended and the people are now living under martial law in a
totally fascist state.
Who are these conspirators? According to Mike Younger, at the
end of World War II, Nelson Rockefeller brought 3000 high Nazi
party officials from Germany illegally into the U.S., without
permission. As of today it is believed there are now 1.6 million
Nazis in the U.S., many high in government and major corpora-
tions, such as Atlantic Richfield in New Jersey. Incredibly,
these Nazi fascists are attempting to set up a "4th Reich" to
continue the thousand-year plan of Adolph Hitler, with eventual
intent to eliminate "non Aryan" people such as Jews, Blacks and
other 'dissidents'. In January, 2000, when the "real" alien
invasion occurs, the planet will be officially turned over to the
alien invaders, the Nazi rulers expecting to get 25% of the Earth
for themselves.
The writers of this document did not originate the above
material, but are simply passing this information along to you to
do with what you feel is necessary. We have no way of knowing
that these things will happen (we hope and pray they do not), but
if any of the above should occur, you can rest assured the bal-
ance of this evil scenario will follow. Their two main immediate
goals are to disarm American citizens and suspend our Constitu-
tion.
URGENT: MAKE 30 COPIES AND MAIL TO MEDIA, POLITICIANS, CHURCHES,
ORGANIZATIONS. POST ON BULLETIN BOARDS, PASS OUT TO CITIZENS IN
THE STREETS! TIME IS RUNNING OUT! ACT NOW!
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Don
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From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Let The Truth Be Told!
Date: 30 Jul 92 13:18:00 GMT
JB>Perhaps as a result of this article and the decision in the Geller case, the
JB>various UFO publications and groups will stop giving Friedman the credit he
JB>doesn't deserve and start subjecting him to the same scrutiny that everyone
JB>else gets. Once they do, I would expect to see a lot less interest in his
JB>work. Enough time has been wasted on the MJ-12 documents and the fabrications
JB>of Gerald Anderson. Let's move on to something more worthwhile.
JB> -- John
Hear Hear!
Jim
* OLX 2.1 TD * All hope abandon, ye who enter messages here.
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From: Vince.Johnson@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Vince Johnson)
Subject: "ogden Objects"
Date: 31 Jul 92 16:18:00 GMT
I checked the file I referred to and guess what.. You had originally
posted it here a while back. There wasn't any mention of a 100 ft.
disk, though. For others that might have missed it I'll post it
again. By the way, have you seen the GIF files of the drawings made
from the photos? I'll upload those too, if you like.
Regards,
Vince
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From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: "ogden Objects"
Date: 31 Jul 92 23:59:01 GMT
>I checked the file I referred to and guess what.. You had
>originally posted it here a while back. There wasn't any
>mention of a 100 ft. disk, though. For others that might have
>missed it I'll post it again. By the way, have you seen the GIF
>files of the drawings made from the photos? I'll upload those
>too, if you like.
>Regards,
>Vince
Hi Vince,
Thanks for letting me know what the file turned out to be.
I thought it sounded familiar <lame grin & goofy chuckle!> Well,
that saves re-uploading!
If the GIFs you refer to were OGDEN-1.gif, etc, a total of
3, then yes I did see them -- that is I had the files (my computer
won't display them and I still can't figure out how to make the 386
color IBM compatible at the library display them from a floppy) so I
haven't actually "seen" the GIFS. But if those are the same files,
they're from Linda Bird's drawings of the Ogden Objects which she
saw at the BeckleyCon (I think) last year when Guy Kirkwood was
displaying the *copies* of the original photos which a source had
given him. (He didn't have the original photos, it turned out.)
I believe it was Jim Speiser of Paranet who scanned Linda's
excellent drawings and got them onto the files libraries.
Of course, all that backgrounding is totally off-base if
you're referring to *different* gifs <smile>.
I really appreciate your interest and offers of the files.
It's super of you!
==Peggy
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From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: UFO Conference - Mars
Date: 1 Aug 92 00:01:02 GMT
******For those who might be interested:
This flyer came via Lucius Farish, editor & publisher
of UFO NEWSCLIPPING SERVICE.
==========================================================
MIDWEST CONFERENCE ON UFO RESEARCH
When: September 18-20m 1992 (Friday evening through Sun. noon)
Where: University Plaza Ballroom, Springfield, Missouri
Topics:
Abduction Research Budd Hopkins - author, hypnotist
Crop Circles:Scientific Findings George Wingfield - England
Crashed Saucers Stanton Freedman - nuclear physicist
Animal Mutilations & Aliens Linda Howe - author, TV producer
UFO Photo Analysis Bruce Maccabee - Navy physicist
Area 51 & Government Secrecy George Knapp - KLAS-TV
Monuments on Mars Project Harry Jordan - scientist
Intense Encounters: Puerto Rico Jorge Martin & Mr. Amaury
Correlations & Synchronicities Forest Crawford - researcher
Cost: $35 per person for the entire conference - paid by 9/12/92
$40 per person after September 12, 1992 and at the door
Rooms: Special rates ($63.50) are available in a reserved block
of rooms at the University Plaza Holiday Inn. Call
(417) 864-7333 and tell them you are with the UFO Conference.
Information regarding restaurants and other hotels will be
sent upon receipt of this registration form.
Further information: Call (417) 882-6847 or write to address below.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Detach and mail this portion with your check
or money order to:
MIDWEST CONFERENCE
4033 S. BELVEDERE CT.
SPRINGFIELD, MISSOURI 65807
(Make checks payable to SPRINGFIELD MUFON)
NAME(S) _________________________________________________
***Please print clearly***
(Please list names of each person attending because each person will
be given an entry badge with his/her name on it to gain admittance.)
ADDRESS_________________________________________________
STATE / ZIP ____________________________________________
PHONE___________________________________________________
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AFFILIATION / GROUP (optional) _________________________
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From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: UFO Conference - Mars2
Date: 1 Aug 92 00:04:03 GMT
Hi Linda,
Just a note of explanation...I uploaded a message to you and
then remembered I couldn't edit/comment on it afterward without
starting a new message. Oops.. ... What I intended to do was to
preface it with a note to you saying I thought you might be
interested in the item in this conference announcement about the
Mars Monuments. Even if you don't go to the Missouri conference,
you might want to contact the person who'll be speaking on the Mars
topic and probably could arrange something through the contact
number given in the item.
Anyway, for what it's worth...
Hope you're well and enjoying the summer.
==Peggy
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From: Mike.Keithly@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mike Keithly)
Subject: Ufo Rendez-vous
Date: 1 Aug 92 02:07:01 GMT
* Forwarded from "FidoNet UFO Echo"
* Originally by Jacques Poulet
* Originally to All
* Originally dated 29 Jul 1992, 18:52
Well, I've just heard a rather interesting news. There is a UFO
that has been seen often during the last two months. Always in
the same area, and always between 21:00 and 21:30.
Francois Bourbeau, which is heading the OVNI-ALERTE
(OVNI is the french for UFO) organisation, was called. He went
there and has seen the object, has videotaped it (for about 2.5
minutes). There was some observation done with binocular and
with a telescope (no mention of their respective
specifications).
It has been detected by the radar at Mirabel airport.
The object was at approximately 7 KM (5.25 miles) from
the observation point. Two days ago, a witness saw it over its
backyard (200 feet away).
That's about all the data I've got for now. I'll add
some more if I find more.
Jacques
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From: Steve.Gresser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Gresser)
Subject: AURORA & NASA?
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:15:00 GMT
> Sounds like an interesting plane, Mazda (smogged) engine that does 1000
> MPH. Can I get the plans on that engine?? ;)
The plan was blown out of the sky (pun intended, yes) when I realized that the
sattelite WILL be dragged through space at an altitude too low for most other
sattelites, but that the altitude will be WAY _ABOVE_ the shuttle, not below
it. And if I could give you the plans to that engine, I'd be A) a much
wealthier man and B) a traitor to the trust of my country.
Ha ha.
Steve
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From: Steve.Gresser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Gresser)
Subject: "October Surprise"
Date: 31 Jul 92 18:23:00 GMT
+ aliens have been on Earth for many years, made treaties and
+ agreements with our governments; there are millions of them in
+ secret underground complexes such as Dulce, New Mexico, which are
+ responsible for the abduction of American children and citizens
+ and the cattle mutilations documented in books and on TV, such as
+ the recent special "Intruders". This announcement will cause the
+ entire world to mobilize under UN supervision to fight the 'inva-
+ ders'.
Bill Cooper. John Lear. SSDD.
Steve
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From: Vince.Johnson@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Vince Johnson)
Subject: "ogden Objects"
Date: 1 Aug 92 20:13:00 GMT
Sounds like you need a GIF viewer, downloadable from many BBSs. If
you're using Windows, try WinGif (or VUIMG for DOS). The're very
simple to use. The GIF files I referred to were Ogden1 & Ogden2,
which, as you describe, were hand drawings on yellow ruled paper.
Sound familiar?
Regards,
Vince
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