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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 589
Monday, September 7th 1992
(C) Copyright 1992 Paranet Information Service. All Rights Reserved.
Today's Topics:
Cbs special
Air$space article
Maine Meteorite Sighting...
Two Ufo Sightings In Finland
Re: "the dancing lights"
Re: ufo crash in kingman
Vallee
Maybe you heard too.
Alien artifact
UFO sighting solved
Maybe You Heard Too.
Alien artifact
Alien artifact
Re: ufo crash in kingman
Maybe you heard too.
Maybe you heard too.
Maybe you heard too.
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From: John.Powell@f601.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Powell)
Subject: Cbs special
Date: 31 Aug 92 08:02:12 GMT
-=> Quoting Jim Speiser to All <=-
JS> Did y'all see "Visitors from the Unknown" last night?
Nope, didn't even know it was on.
JS> ...genetic manipulation of the seedlings in the stalks?? Did
JS> anyone here know of this?
Genetic manipulation? I've read of seed wall expansion, peculiar
dehydration, etc., but nothing at the DNA level. Is this legit?
Thanks, take care.
John.
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From: John.Powell@f601.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Powell)
Subject: Air$space article
Date: 1 Sep 92 07:51:14 GMT
-=> Quoting Ncar!violet.berkeley.edu! to All <=-
Nc> (Reply to John Powell re my post about this article:
Nc> 'Aliens in the Basement' by Frank Kuznik, Air &
Nc> Space/Smithsonian, ISSN 0886-2257, Smithsonian Institution,
Nc> 900 Jefferson Drive, Washington, DC 20560. $18/yr.)
Nc> John: I picked the issue of Air&Space and reread it for the
Nc> 'Suggestions for Anticipatiing Requests Under the Freedom
Nc> of Information Act' document you mentioned. I found myself
Nc> with mixed feelings -- is this partly tongue-in-cheek?
I think it must be. I currently work for a fairly normal civilian
corporation, about the only thing we shred are expense reports and
lunch receipts, so I can't really comment on the type of Memo Monsters
such as you experienced.
Nc> Accordingly, I had to walk around to the office of everyone
Nc> to whom I had sent the memo, pick it up, and carry it to my boss's
Nc> office for shredding, lest it also be microfilmed and upset someone in
Nc> another chain of command in the future, if not immediately.
Absolutely incredible...
Nc> Hence, this document seems to be largely common sense advice
Nc> for surviving in large bureaucracies. The alternative is to 'retire
Nc> in situ,' a common strategy in the pharmaceutical industry in the
Nc> 1970's, and I presume other large organizations.
The other alternative is to say nothing, write nothing, delegate
everything, do nothing - and eventually retire.
Nc> While I agree that such an accident would not be kept secret
Nc> now, bureaucratic inertia, elasped time, and lack of information might
Nc> contribute toward keeping an old event secret.
Nope, I can't buy it. Similar nuke crashes (accidental drops) that
predate Roswell are public knowledge.
If Roswell was a nuke crash/drop then why did the Project Blue Book
files contain _nothing_ on it? This would have been _perfect_
opportunity to dispel a (so-called) UFO fantasy.
If Roswell really was a nuke crash/drop then why doesn't the gov't just
prove it? Should be easy enough to do right? (And why did they go way
out of their way to try to invent the meteor coverup for the
balloon-born radar target coverup of whatever it was that _really_
happenned at Roswell? Doesn't make sense to bear the risk associated
with a secondary coverup story, even if the first coverup story is
feeble, if all you're covering up is a simple airplane crash...)
The "bureaucratic inertia" excuse I can't buy because that inertia has
been goosed and greased numerous times with FOIA requests all of which
have been denied. The "elapsed time" excuse I can't buy because we
already know of allegedly similar events that predate Roswell. Sorry,
the familiar but tired lack-of-information strawman doesn't play either.
The gov't is free to release whatever information it has but the gov't
says it has _NO_ information on Roswell beyond the current feeble cover
story. We're sitting here in 1992 and our gov't won't tell us about an
airplane crash with a nuke in Roswell but it will tell us all about a
accidental nuke _drop_ in California that occured _two years_ earlier?
Sorry, I'm not buying it.
Nc> If the bomb casing were not breached, then no plutonium (or
Nc> U235) would have been released. If the high-explosive used to assemble
Nc> and contain the critical mass detonated, radioactive material could be
Nc> dispersed even in the absence of any nuclear reactions.
I think it is quite a stretch, although remotely possible, for the
bomber to crash and the bomb casing to remain intact. With Roswell you
have two crash sites and if we juxtapose a crashed bomber onto the mass
of data and the debris fields then we are forced to speculate how a
bomber could somehow crash and skip across the desert, losing a fair
amount of material, (of which not a single piece was recognizable as
originating from an ordinary airplane), regain some altitude and perhaps
even pilot control, and then crash later - all without _any_ damage to
the bomb casing.
Moreover, we also have to explain how the military lost a bomber, _with
at least one nuke onboard_, and didn't even know they had lost it for
over _two_ days... (Actually, they didn't even know they had lost it
until some scratch-dirt cowboy told them he'd found it! This is just
too big a stretch for me. Something _else_ happenned at Roswell.)
Even if we pretend that this alleged bomber gets zapped by umpteen
simutaneous lightning bolts thus frying everything except the crew
before any radio message could be sent, and dances across the desert
floor finally crashing, and the bomb is intact... Wouldn't you expect
SAR all over the place at least by first light? (It wasn't.) Wouldn't
the base at Roswell be buzzing with activity immediately? (They
weren't.)
Nc> I would be surprised if any residual radioactivity remained in
Nc> the alleged NM sites, especially given the strenuous and expensive
Nc> decontamination performed in Spain in the 1960's(?) after a nuke was
Nc> lost from a plane and broken open, thus contaminating the ground.
Nc> It is possible to clean up such an accident.
I'm not arguing that such an accident can't be cleaned up. However,
don't you find it a bit odd that they would crate debris from an
ordinary plane crash, and presumably contaminated dirt, and fly it to
Wright Field in Ohio? Or fly it anywhere? Wouldn't they haul the
contaminated dirt out into the middle of nowhere, (as if they weren't
already _in_ the middle of nowhere), and bury it? (They didn't.)
Wouldn't they haul the plane wreckage back to the air base of origin, or
maybe just back to the base at Roswell? (They didn't.) Don't you think
it would take more than three cargo planes to haul _every scrap_ of
wreckage plus however-many tons of radioactive dirt?
Even if we assume that the bomb casing was unbreached, why put it back
in an airplane and fly it to Ohio? Why not fly, or drive, it back to
folks at White Sands? Suppose we pretend the bomb casing was only
slightly breached, whatever that means, wouldn't they have tried to
recover the uranium, (which was not exactly the easiest material to find
in those days), and return it to the folks at White Sands?
Additionally, you have the sample of debris flown to Fort Worth Army Air
Field and inspected by Col. Clark. Did he need to see and touch a
twisted piece of debris before he believed a plane had crashed?
Wouldn't he have already known? This debris sample was then flown to
General McMullen at the Pentagon. (Ok, those folks probably don't
believe anybody... <grin>) Then, Maj. Marcel flies to Fort Worth with
_more_ samples so Brig. Gen. Ramey can have show-and-tell about an
airplane crash? Aren't these folks a little concerned that this stuff
might be radioactive? (Apparently not.)
I'm not trying to be rude here but no matter how you flap this story's
wings it just doesn't fly.
Thanks, take care.
John.
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Maine Meteorite Sighting...
Date: 1 Sep 92 15:22:01 GMT
* Forwarded from "Alt.Alien.Visitors"
* Originally from Bernard.t.hebert
* Originally dated 08-31-92 18:12
From: mvbth@cbnews.cb.att.com (bernard.t.hebert)
Date: 31 Aug 92 15:52:58 GMT
Organization: AT&T
Message-ID: <1992Aug31.155258.20961@cbnews.cb.att.com>
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Hello, folks,
Here's an interesting article from this morning's Boston Herald:
METEORITE SPURS PLANE SEARCH 08/31/92
FREEPORT, Maine -- Authorities searched a wooded area near the
Freeport- Brunswick town line for a plane that a motorist on Interstate 95
reportedly saw go down over the weekend.
It turned out to be a false alarm. The motorist saw a large meteorite,
not an airplane, according to a spokesman for the Freeport Police
Department.
The control tower at the Brunswick Naval Air Station reported sighting
a low-flying meteorite passing over the same area at about 8:50 PM
Saturday, the same time the motorist reported seeing a plane with flames
shooting out, said Petty Officer Alan Priddy.
Compiled from Herald staff and wire reports.
_________________________________________________________________________
How many of you have seen a "Low Flying Meteorite" ?
Is anybody on the NET from around there? How many "Authorities"
searched how far, and what if anything, did they find ?
B. T. Hebert || mvbth@mvgpk.att.com || DISCLAIMER: I REFUSE TO SPEAK
AT&T Network Systems || ||FOR ANYBODY BUT MYSELF.AT TIMES
N. Andover, MA 01940 || mvgpk!mvbth || I WON'T EVEN DO THAT. FIGURES...
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Two Ufo Sightings In Finland
Date: 4 Sep 92 01:26:02 GMT
* Forwarded from "Alt.Alien.Visitors"
* Originally from Harri P Pesonen
* Originally dated 09-03-92 12:41
From: hpesonen@vipunen.hut.fi (Harri P Pesonen)
Date: 2 Sep 92 19:57:36 GMT
Organization: Helsinki University of Technology
Message-ID: <1992Sep2.195736.15495@nntp.hut.fi>
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
In a nation wide evening newspaper was two articles about UFOs.
Here is my direct translation, notice that English is not my native
language.
THREE UFOS IN SANTAHAMINA
Conscript soldiers in Santahamina made a shocking sighting in
Saturday evening in garrison area, when "three flying saucers"
appeared behind the clouds.
- They were at least the same size as a passenger plane, bright
and silent, a conscript soldier describes his observations.
During the summer there has been several UFO sightings around the
Finland. Skeptics believe that UFO stories are inspired by
economical depression.
Three conscript soldiers in Santahamina claim to have seen three
flying saucers in the sky flashing strange light. Conscripts are
convinced that it was not any normal light effect or an aeroplane.
Conscripts made their sighting in Saturday at 7 PM.
- At first one flying object shaped like a saucer came into sight
in the sky. Soon two other saucers appeared on both sides of the
first one. We made jokes about it at first but decided to take
pictures anyhow.
- We thought that we keep the whole thing to ourselves because no
one would believe us. However, after sleeping a night we decided to
tell newspapers about the flying saucers.
"We had no time to chat"
The warm weather in Saturday didn't make conscripts to see
visions. They are sure that the things were extra terrestial space
craft.
- They were such flying saucers which presumably some others,
too, have seen.
- Ships were visible a couple of minutes between the clouds.
Then they disappeared as fast as they have turned up.
- We had no time to talk. We concentrated only on taking
pictures, one of the conscripts tells.
Conscripts want to keep their identity secret as they are afraid
of laying themselves open to ridicule in their unit.
- Well this is an unbelievable story, conscripts state.
No strange objects in air space
Authorities have not received any information of strange flying
objects. Helsinki-Vantaa ground control have not made observations
of strange invaders in air space.
The ground control in Pirkkala, Tampere, doesn't believe in UFO
stories, either. Nothing differing from the normal has been seen.
Flashing light phenomenon in Rantasalmi
UFO BURNED CIRCLES ON LAWN
According to experts a noteworthy UFO sighting has been revealed
in the village of Tuusmaki in Rantasalmi. A nocturnal flashing
phenomenon left behind circular, diameter of 125 cm, traces in
regular pattern on farmer Reijo Jaaskelainen's lawn. The
investigations of UFO event rated as noteworthy are unfinished.
The farmer Jaaskelainen's wife woke up at night with a strange
feeling and when she looked out she saw flashing light phenomena.
According to her some phenomenon illuminated the whole nearby region.
The incident happened on moonlight night in August. The woman also
saw some "lighting" on the clear night sky.
Reijo Jaaskelainen noticed in the morning that regular circular
traces had appeared on the lawn. The grass had burned brown inside
the traces the diameter of which is 125 cm. According to
Jaaskelainen four circles lie about three meters apart and they form
a square.
The residents of nearby houses in Tuusmaki has acquainted with
the miracle. The neighbors who had seen the frightening traces
encouraged the farmer to look for help from authorities or UFO
experts.
After getting tips from the folk in farm an expert working in the
Ultra magazine got acquainted with the UFO traces during the weekend.
After preliminary examinations he stated that with great probability
"the traces are real". According to the expert the marks in question
might e.g. be traces of the landing stand of an unknown space ship.
In the area of burned lawn there has not been measured any risen
radiation as far as is known. UFO experts have anyhow taken with
them photos of brown grass and a soil sample, the help of which the
mystical traces are now analyzed more carefully.
A formal report to the police of Rantasalmi has not been made as
nothing exceptional other than nightly lights and the traces in the
morning have been seen. E.g. no animals in farm are missing.
- There is nothing exceptional if UFOs visit a yard at night, the
police in duty in Rantasalmi are joking.
Have there been any similar articles in newspapers in other
countries? And if, how often?
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From: John.Powell@f601.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Powell)
Subject: Re: "the dancing lights"
Date: 2 Sep 92 20:54:00 GMT
-=> Quoting Linda Bird to John Powell <=-
LB> Sorry I can't get any info for you on that story, "The Dancing Lights"
LB> as I gave the 1-page story to a friend. I'll see what I
LB> can do. Once I get back into my classroom, I should be
LB> able to find the book and then I'll get that info for you.
Thanks, appreciate it.
LB> I have some other stories and will look for them and post
LB> them. I know I'm almost out of time right now.
LB> Thanks for your interest!!
Great!
Thanks, take care.
John.
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From: John.Powell@f601.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Powell)
Subject: Re: ufo crash in kingman
Date: 3 Sep 92 09:01:02 GMT
-=> Quoting Linda Bird to John Powell <=-
LB> Hi John!!
How are ya Linda!?
LB> Thanks so much for the references to the Kingman crash! My friend
LB> will surely jump out of his skin with happiness, and I think I
LB> have some of the Len Stringfield material here at home.
You're welcome! Tell your friend to jump out of his shoes instead, I
hear the aliens sneak around sewing up the ankles and wrists of
jumped-out-of skin as a practical joke! Also, ask your friend to keep
us posted on what he finds?
Thanks, take care.
John.
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From: John.Powell@f601.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Powell)
Subject: Vallee
Date: 3 Sep 92 09:03:04 GMT
-=> Quoting John Hicks to John Powell <=-
> It isn't the first time...
JH> Yeah, I know, but in the past he's pretty much just
JH> vanished without making such a pronouncement.
Yeah, you're right about that. At least we know he won't just sit on
stuff, he'll publish a few more books... (At least I hope so, I mean if
he really _quits_ then we're all in deep trouble...)
Thanks, take care.
John.
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From: John.Powell@f601.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Powell)
Subject: Maybe you heard too.
Date: 3 Sep 92 09:04:06 GMT
Tell me I'm crazy, tell me I'm hearing things, tell me the CIA has my TV
bugged, tell me the aliens allowed me to hear this for my personal
edification)... Early this week around midday or early afternoon I
caught, out of the corner of my ear so to speak, a piece of CNN Headline
News where George was trying to fend off criticism about his handling of
gov't relief efforts in Florida in response to hurricane whomever.
Anyways, I clearly heard him say, "I'm not going to argue about who shot
John, blah blah we're blah going to blah help everybody blah blah
blah..."
Is there _anyone_ named "John" remotely associated with the higher
levels in Florida, FEMA, the administration?
Oh well, I'm probably loosing it...
Speaking of loosing it, FEMA wasn't exactly the crack take-over-America
outfit associated with those rants about secret prison camps scattered
around the country... <grin>
Thanks, take care.
John.
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From: Brian.Wood@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Brian Wood)
Subject: Alien artifact
Date: 5 Sep 92 05:59:00 GMT
I was watching a 13 year old episode of "In Search Of" a few weeks
ago (Arts & Entertainment is rebroadcasting them), and they had
one on UFOs in which it was stated that some hikers in Death Valley
had come across an unusual rock that looked like a geode. When
they cut it open, they found a hexagonal object with a central
cylindrical ceramic-like material inside. X-rays, which they showed,
also revealed a central rod and a small coil extending out one end.
A geologist dated the rock to 500,000 years. I tried to find out
if any more was ever discovered about it - was it proven to be a
hoax, is it still unknown, where is the rock... I hit a dead end.
A&E gave me the phone nr of Reeves Entertainment, which owns the
rights to the series, but they said the files were either destroyed
or inaccessible in Burbank. I called the Burbank office. They asked
me to fax them a request. I did so, including the names of the
researchers given in that episode. They said they could not help,
but gave me the phone number for Alan Landsburg Co., which actually
produced the series. The person I spoke to was very sympathetic,
and in fact asked me about my interest in UFOs. She said they were
planning some more TV programs about UFOs, including a show about
J. Allen Hynek. Anyway, she checked with Alan and others, and no
one could remember any of the people named in the credits. SHe
suggested I contact CUFOS, and gave me their number. Well, CUFOS
never returned my call. Does anyone know how I could follow up
any more on this? If this is truly an alien artifact, well...
Contact me at 667-7382 in Loveland if you have any thoughts, or
e-mail me on Internet at brian@hpmtlbw.lvld.hp.com. Thanks!
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From: Brian.Wood@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Brian Wood)
Subject: UFO sighting solved
Date: 5 Sep 92 06:03:00 GMT
I recently was contacted by someone in Loveland who saw a light
apparently dancing all over the sky one calm Friday evening after
dark. It was near the airport. I talked to the airport manager
a few days later and determined that the cause was skydivers
diving at night. When they dive at night, they are required to
wear strobe lights. The combination of many divers and chutes
opening, causing rapid slowing, gave the impression that one light
was causing the display. Thought everyone should know, as this
looked like a strange aerial display that can give rise to UFO
reports.
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From: Doug.Morrow@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Doug Morrow)
Subject: Maybe You Heard Too.
Date: 6 Sep 92 04:11:00 GMT
No, you're not losing it, George did say it.
I think he was talking about "John" like in who shot John Kennedy?
Funny that should come to mind for an old CIA man, isn't it?
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From: Doug.Morrow@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Doug Morrow)
Subject: Alien artifact
Date: 6 Sep 92 04:21:00 GMT
Brian,
I haven't seen the show, but I do remember the artifact you are
talking about. A number of "Strange but True" type books even have
pictures. I remember the general location in the library, but no
titles. If you want, I can go and see if I can find any specific
books about it.
Anyway, the last I heard was that the owner wanted to sell the thing
for a gazillion dollars to researchers. Noboby could come up with
the money, so it went on the owners shelf. That was probably ten/
fifteen years ago. It seems to have disappeared since then.
It is intreging, but I'm not sure but what it wasn't a good hoax. My
thoughts have to do with the way the artifact looked in some of the
photos. The X-ray made it look like a high tech spark plug, but the
plaster/ceramic shell didn't have the sharp cut edges you would
expect. It looked almost as if some one had taken an old geode, cut
it in two, inserted an interesting looking metal core and filled the
hole with an epoxy. Could be legite, but be careful...
If you want me to look for those books, let me know.
Doug
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From: Steve.Gresser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Gresser)
Subject: Alien artifact
Date: 5 Sep 92 22:20:00 GMT
> I was watching a 13 year old episode of "In Search Of" a few weeks
A) I saw this, too, so you're not loopy.
B) Last I heard, it was in the hands of some rock collectors. Lord knows what
THEY were doing with it! Anyway, nobody's really sure where they are or who
they are anymore, from what I've gathered. I can ask this - please, if you
find anything out, tell us about it!
Steve
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From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: ufo crash in kingman
Date: 6 Sep 92 04:33:00 GMT
Hi John,
My friend has a copy of all our messages relating to Kingman; don't
know if he's going to really find anything. I'm not convinced anything
happened there, are you?
Happy Labor Day Weekend!
Linda
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Maybe you heard too.
Date: 6 Sep 92 05:11:00 GMT
> Is there _anyone_ named "John" remotely associated with the higher
> levels in Florida, FEMA, the administration?
Nope. Bush appeared to be referring to John, as in John Fitzgerald.....
And I wonder what brought on that statment.....
> Speaking of loosing it, FEMA wasn't exactly the crack take-over-America
> outfit associated with those rants about secret prison camps scattered
> around the country... <grin>
True story....someone in south Dade asked the FEMA crowd why they weren't
doing something or other they were supposed to be doing.
"The street signs are gone. We don't know where to go."
Amazing, isn't it.
jbh
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From: Clark.Matthews@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Maybe you heard too.
Date: 6 Sep 92 12:06:00 GMT
> Tell me I'm crazy, tell me I'm hearing things, tell me the CIA has my TV
> bugged, tell me the aliens allowed me to hear this for my personal
> edification)...
Hi John. Now, don't get upset, but you're not hearing things...
> Early this week around midday or early afternoon I
> caught, out of the corner of my ear so to speak, a piece of CNN Headline
> News where George was trying to fend off criticism about his handling of
> gov't relief efforts in Florida in response to hurricane whomever.
> Anyways, I clearly heard him say, "I'm not going to argue about who shot
> John, blah blah we're blah going to blah help everybody blah blah blah..."
The next message will contain the text of a little thing I put in ParaNet Conspiracies. I heard the Who Shot John... thing too.
What do we make of it? Maybe Felix shot John...
> Speaking of loosing it, FEMA wasn't exactly the crack take-over-America
> outfit associated with those rants about secret prison camps scattered
> around the country... <grin>
But John, they ARE scattered around the country.
BTW, the one here in Jersey is at Fort Dix. I understand that the Federal
Prison Production program will be locating factories at these camps, so
internees can provide slave labor.
(Okay, okay, not SLAVE labor -- they get paid 25 cents per hour)
Pleasant dreams!
Best,
Clark
PS -- Check out ParaNet plots, I've been posting all kinds of stuff there you
might find interesting...
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From: Clark.Matthews@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Maybe you heard too.
Date: 6 Sep 92 12:07:00 GMT
John -- here's my take on the situation...
(2620) Sat 29 Aug 92 4:30
By: Clark Matthews
To: All
Re: Bush Blurts Out a Mystery...
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This post is about President Bush and the JFK murder. But I'd like to start by
digressing (typically!).
President Bush held a full-dress White House press conference today on his
shakeup of the Florida disaster relief efforts. The Prez ran interference for
his old cronys at FEMA (which stunned Florida County officials with a totally
callous and dismissive approach to handling disaster relief) -- but he also
ordered immediate, direct military support of relief efforts, under the command
of Gen. Edgerton (sp?).
Anyway, during the press conference, the Prez said that he didn't want to play
the "Blame Game" -- he has ordered the Federal disaster relief people not to
blame the local officials, and he hopes the locals will refrain from blaming
the FEMA-ites. This is obviously the right thing to do and the speed of this
change in policy and immediate action is very admirable (the Dade people only
publically complained yesterday afternoon).
The results have been immediate, wonderfully efficient, and they look very
hopeful from here at least. I saw a C5 flying south this afternoon -- I assume
from the N.Y. Guard's Stewart AFB -- and it was great to see! I hope it was
full of water, generators, and Buffalo Chicken Wings -- and our very best
wishes, too, for all you Floridians!)
So with real help getting underway -- thanks to enthusiastic, well-trained
citizen-soldiers, naturally -- FEMA is free to slink back to the shadows and
finish fine-tuning the American Command-State. Which, if the Florida disaster
is any indication, will function about as efficiently as Kampuchea.
But I digress ...
The Prez rambled when he talked this morning. He's never been an articulate
man, but recently his thoughts have seemed (to me at least) rather disjointed.
Sometimes he interjects things into his remarks that are puzzling or off-topic.
And today, in the middle of his frankly impressive discussion of not playing a
"Blame Game", President Bush said that "In these circumstances, there is no
point in discussing 'Who shot John ...'"
At that point, he pulled himself up short, and began talking about the airlift.
"Who shot John ..." A total non sequitur. President Bush knows something we
don't about the JFK murder (heck, we can see the *outlines* of what he knows,
if not the details). Bush was in George de Morenschild's address book. The
FBI briefed two CIA men in Dallas on November 24th -- one of whom was named
GEORGE BUSH. And when he was CIA director, Bush avidly combed the files for
info on people involved in the JFK murder -- and then he denied doing so. And
his connections to CIA from his Dresser Industry days, to Zapata Oil's direct
connections in circumventing Mexican export restrictions and resupplying anti-
Castro Cubans from oil platforms are old news.
But what do we have here? A tired man with a guilty conscience? Or a very
savvy career spook who's worried about SOMETHING SOMEONE ELSE MIGHT KNOW?
Someone else like, Bill Clinton?
Contrary to appearances, Bush is very interested and well informed about what's
going thru the "Rumor Mill". When Gunther Russbacher started claiming that he
flew Bush back from Paris "October Surprise" meetings in an SR-71, Bush
referred to it in a press conference, too. You may recall that Ross Perot sent
an SR-71 pilot to interview Russbacher (and came away feeling Russbacher is a
fraud and his claims are false).
Word is that a book with "Major Implications for the 1992 Presidential
Election" will be published in mid-September. The jungle drums say it's about
CLINTON, not Bush. But could this be a ruse?
I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Best,
Clark
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