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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 555
Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 555
Wednesday, May 27th 1992
(C) Copyright 1992 Paranet Information Service. All Rights Reserved.
Today's Topics:
UFO Related Shows
Re: GB LIGHTS
ROAD FLARES
Aussie UFOs
Another Hoax..ed "the Toymaker" Walters
GB LIGHTS
GB LIGHTS
"sightings" 5/15/92
DR. JAMES HARDER WARNS AGAINST TACTICS
Re: Gulf Breeze road flares
Re: CSETI and Dr. Steven Greer
Re: road flares
DR. JAMES HARDER WARNS AGAINST TACTICS
Re: ROAD FLARES
Re: "sightings" 5/15/92
"sightings" 5/15/92
Ufo Related Shows
Re: Paranet Newsletter 554
"sightings" 5/15/92
INVASION!!!
UFO Related Shows
Gb Lights
Gulf Breeze road flares
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: UFO Related Shows
Date: 16 May 92 05:36:00 GMT
> latched onto another gold mine?
I think that's it. Unsolved Mysteries was a big sort of unexpected hit. So
now there's other similar shows, the tabloid news shows, specials etc. I
believe the only agenda is cashing in.
jbh
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From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: GB LIGHTS
Date: 15 May 92 17:52:07 GMT
First of all this is a message from David Jones, relating a conversation
with Dr. Greer, not from Greer. I'd like to see what he says himself about
this event.
Greer (if it is his claims), founder of CSETI, to create contacts. Sponsor
of the Denver conference. Uses thought sequencing, audio recordings from crop
circles and 1.5 million candle power lights to attract flying objects in the
area of Gulf Breeze. One witness with 120 sightings, 6 had telepathic
messages, people feel to their knees or ran. He was invited to be on Larry
King, but refuse because he could not control the show. Will now be in
secured areas, because of "government surviellance" from unmarked trucks. OK?
Supporting information from each witness is supposed to be in a signed
document. Six videos, and many still photos.
Has anyone heard from any of these witnesses, seen a video or a photo, or
read any of the 50 or more signed documents? Or do we have to BUY THE BOOK,
or attend the conference, or buy the video? And don't forget the up comming
boarding party plans.
This is either the big break we have been waiting for, or a huge well
planned con job. I'm wondering if anyone has more than this one message that
has been circulating related to this group and sighting.
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: ROAD FLARES
Date: 16 May 92 17:08:02 GMT
> would be bright enough to see in daylight?
There have been a few daylight sighthings.
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Aussie UFOs
Date: 16 May 92 17:09:03 GMT
> Oh Boy!! Betcha we'll see something in Lucius Farrish's newspapers
> about this! (hope so)
I'll bet. UFONCS is a great resource.
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Another Hoax..ed "the Toymaker" Walters
Date: 16 May 92 17:15:04 GMT
> It's crap like this that makes me think that ANYONE who claims to
> have had a UFO experience, and whose claim is supported by "expert
> opinion"---especially one during which startling "photographs"
> were taken---should NOT be given "the benefit of the doubt"
If that's all Mr. Stone knows about the GB/Walters case, then he's suffering
from an incredible lack of information. As I'm sure you know from our
conversations, it's nowhere near as simple as that.
Unfortunately, the items Mr. Stone mentioned are pretty much a list of the
tidbits that have been mentioned on the various TV shows; lack of other
assorted info can easily lead to premature erroneous conclusions.
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: GB LIGHTS
Date: 16 May 92 17:16:05 GMT
> Or do we have to BUY THE BOOK, or attend the conference
Most likely. I'll ask around among the skeptical side and find out what they
have to say about the incident.
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: GB LIGHTS
Date: 16 May 92 17:17:06 GMT
BTW, Phil I. reported that many witnesses in the Hudson Valley flap said that
they seemed to bring the ufo closer if they thought that they wanted to see it
closer.
jbh
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: "sightings" 5/15/92
Date: 18 May 92 18:42:00 GMT
* Forwarded from "Ask UFO Magazine"
* Originally from Michael Corbin
* Originally dated 05-18-92 11:41
> Well, kudos to Don Ecker for his assistance on the program. I watched
> it Friday night and was FASCINATED by the Anza,Calif piece.
>
> Now, if someone could drag a certain _skeptic_ named Robert Shaeffer
> out to Anza... :-)
On the contrary, I was not impressed with the Anza piece. There have been some
very strange things going on in Anza for several years. I interviewed Debbie
Steinberg a couple of years ago and was convinced at that time that we have a
little town with a small group of people who are all "tuned" in to the UFO
scene having these repeated experiences. Debbie told me that they hear strange
noises at night underground and that there are numerous underground tunnels
that were constructed by the Indians many years ago and that she thought the
aliens were living under there. As far as the technical aspect of the study
goes, the film of the UFO proves absolutely nothing. Since it was a night
scope, using infrared methods, there is no possibility to discern shape and
detail of what they filmed. It would be interesting to subject that tape to
analysis to see what exactly the object looks like, and I wonder why they have
not done that, considering the amount of expensive technology they seemed to
have access to. Mind you, I am not dismissing this as a hoax at all, but
merely as inconclusive. Given all of the other stuff that we have heard about
underground bases and such, I feel we should take this case and investigate it
some more, independent of what has been done thus far, reviewing the data that
these people have collected.
FWIW, Anza is fairly close to the Cabazon Indian Reservation. Ring any bells?
Don, your piece on the Phobos II was very good. Congratulations on your
participation!
Mike
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From: yuba.wrs.com!davidj
Subject: DR. JAMES HARDER WARNS AGAINST TACTICS
Date: 19 May 92 09:22:28 GMT
From: davidj@yuba.wrs.com (David Jones)
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* I am posting the following as per a request from a friend who faxed a *
* copy of the below to me with the following enscribed on the fax cover *
* page: 'We must let our friends and loved ones know that what they're *
* seeing is biased info. Do not let them become victims of secret agen- *
* cies ---- '. The following are the views of another. If you wish to *
* comment, you may call Dr. Harder. ++DJ *
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact Person: James Harder
May 18, 1992 510 548-2810
DR. JAMES HARDER WARNS AGAINST TACTICS EMPLOYED
IN CURRENT CBS MINI-SERIES ON EXTRATERRESTRIALS
Dr. James Harder, professor emeritus at UC Berkeley with 35 years experience
researching the field of extraterrestrial (ET) and UFO studies, has warned
against believing that what is shown in the current CBS series is representa-
tive of all of what we know about visitations from ET beings.
He has stated that he and other researchers who have had unbiased clientele
have exhaustive evidence of benevolent encounters wherein humans have been
given messages of encouragement in working for the planet's survival;
encouragement for helping human survival in terms of non-violence, care of
children, and limiting the sheer numbers of humans that can reasonably inhabit
earth; and that some have been given powers we now consider paranormal such as
various forms of mental telepathy and gifts of special healing. Beyond this,
many humans have been medically helped/cured of diseases, some of which are
simply categorized by most medical professionals as 'miracles'.
The visitations which are benevolent are at least 10 times more prevalent,
though not as well known, as those which are less sensitive to humans. Dr.
Harder stated that there are many experiences recorded in his files where his
clients have rather sadly remembered that they were unhappy to see a visit
end, and in many cases longed for the time when they would meet their
'friends' again.
Dr. Harder has further warned scientists who may be becoming interested in
this field that they should be aware of the strong government interest in the
information that is being made available. The cover-up which has been evident
for at least 45 years is alive and well, and there remains strong evidence
pointing to various disinformation and malinformation campaigns by highly com-
petent and skilled 'secret' government agencies. One of their purposes seems
to be to instill fear in the public so as to control our response to extrater-
restrial interaction. A favorite method is to exploit the interest of the
mass media in presenting bad news. They are also suspected of assisting, in a
covert way, in the publication of books that emphasize the most fearsome and
startling episodes of visitations.
One motivation is that some in the government think we need enemies. The
current series ``Intruders'' on CBS may serve as an example of how the media
can be co-opted into such a program, though perhaps inadvertently. Dr. Harder
feels the ETs seem to be the newly adopted 'threat' to earth, so that defense
spending (especially Star Wars technology) can be continued and the power
represented in the military-industrial complex can survive.
Dr. Harder and another noted researcher of over 35 years, Dr. Leo Sprinkle,
who has also had extensive contact with humans who have had a broad range of
encounters, will be presenting research papers and workshops regarding the
numbers and nature of ET visits at a conference in Denver this weekend, May
22-24, 1992. He will also be attending a conference at MIT on the 'abduction'
experience, June 13-17, 1992.
'
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David W. Jones
davidj@wrs.com OR
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From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: Gulf Breeze road flares
Date: 17 May 92 14:54:00 GMT
Thanks for that report on Maccabee's presentation, Joseph.
I think it's possible we have several different things going on in GB right
now. There's definitely some kids playing some pranks, but I've also heard
tell that there is some very high-tech and very "deep black" testing going
on at Eglin AFB, possibly related to whatever is beyond Aurora. (No, folks,
Aurora is not the be-all end-all, apparently there is something in the works
that is almost a complete generation beyond it).
Jim
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From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: CSETI and Dr. Steven Greer
Date: 17 May 92 14:59:00 GMT
When will Dr. Greer be submitting the videos and stills for independent
analysis?
Jim
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From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: road flares
Date: 19 May 92 21:37:00 GMT
In a message to Jim Speiser <05-12-92 14:56> John Hicks wrote:
JH> So far as I've heard, it was readily apparent to witnesses what they
JH> saw.
John, let me quote from the latest IUR:
<<
The local MUFON group has observed what it acknowledges are flares suspended
from balloons. Maccabee has written, "MUFON members have watched carefully
and have seen clear evidence several times." This tells us that a hoaxed
RUOF looks a lot like a "true" RUFO if careful observation is required to
distinguish them. If some sightings are caused by balloons, why not all,
with atmospheric conditions or distance making identification impossible in
every instance? <1>
>>
It just sounds like the more parsimonious explanation to me. Again, if
someone can come up with something even fairly solid that distinguishes
these sightings from a balloon, I'm all ears.
Jim
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<1> Zan Overall, "The Gulf Breeze RUFOS", International UFO Reporter, Vol.
17 #2
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From: Steve.Gresser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Gresser)
Subject: DR. JAMES HARDER WARNS AGAINST TACTICS
Date: 20 May 92 05:49:00 GMT
> DR. JAMES HARDER WARNS AGAINST TACTICS EMPLOYED
> IN CURRENT CBS MINI-SERIES ON EXTRATERRESTRIALS
Hiya. No offense, but what I saw on the "current CBS Mini-Series" was in fact
(at the end) something of a more benevolant nature than that which you claim.
It seems to me that someone, as is so easy to DO when dealing with a
mini-series, has jumped to a conclusion based on the first night's show. In
fact, what was propogated at the end of the second night's showing was that
what IS being done may SEEM evil, but is in fact not meant to be so. I'm
simply commenting on the message that you left - I'm not trying to comment on
the quality of the show's contents. I leave that to another message, if you so
desire.
Thanks,
Steve
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From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: ROAD FLARES
Date: 20 May 92 06:41:00 GMT
Hi John,
The recent issue of the CUFOS UFO Internat'l Reporter which came
yesterday is almost totally dedicated to Gulf Breeze and road flares,
etc. If you don't get this mag, let me know and I'll send the article
to you. Powerful!
Linda
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From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: "sightings" 5/15/92
Date: 21 May 92 04:12:00 GMT
In a message to All <05-18-92 11:42> Michael Corbin wrote:
MC> FWIW, Anza is fairly close to the Cabazon Indian Reservation. Ring
MC> any bells?
Loud and clear....Wackenhut!
Jim
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From: Don.Sudduth@p0.f26.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Sudduth)
Subject: "sightings" 5/15/92
Date: 21 May 92 13:21:00 GMT
Mike, do you know of any good written works on the Anza case?? I missed the
"Sightings" episode - what is happening there?
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From: Don.Sudduth@p0.f26.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Sudduth)
Subject: Ufo Related Shows
Date: 21 May 92 13:39:00 GMT
> I think that's it. Unsolved Mysteries was a big sort
> of unexpected hit. So now there's other similar shows,
> the tabloid news shows, specials etc. I believe the
> only agenda is cashing in.
Unfortunately, these shows still have an air of "wow, isn't that interesting -
UFO's, ESP, etc. are just SOOO strange, I wonder what's on Cheers tonight?"
The problem is that these shows are strictly entertainment and nothing else!
These shows are looking for anything weird, strange, shocking, and unusual to
get ratings. This is entertainment, not informed investigation! I'm not
saying that the information they present is incorrect or fiction, but that the
"air" surrounding this information is on the same level as Michael Jackson's
new video or what new movie is coming out this weekend. Just look at the list
of shows presenting UFO related material: Sightings, Unsolved Mysteries, A
Current Affair, Inside Edition, Hard Copy, Now it Can Be Told, and specials
like that Mike Farrell show about 4 years ago (I don't remember the title).
Its time for some REAL journalism and investigation. UFO research needs news
shows to really bring it to a respected level. Shows like NOVA, Frontline,
McNeil-Lehrer, the nightly news, and special news investigations. As long as
UFO's are presented on a level as these other shows, validity and respect for
the phenomena will be long in coming!
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From: Martin Stuczynski <stuczyns@presto.ig.com>
Subject: Re: Paranet Newsletter 554
Date: 21 May 92 16:11:06 GMT
From: Martin Stuczynski <stuczyns@presto.ig.com>
What did people think of the 'INTRUDERS' TV miniseries recently broadcast?
THe first 90% of the show seemed to desire to elicit a fear response to the
'greys' by the TV viewer then the last 10% came on with a bit of Spielbergian
'ET' warm-sympathetic response, as if to say we don't know why these aliens
are impregnating our women and re-possessing the fetuses, but boy, they must
have a really good noble reason for doing so and we should just co-operate
with them because they are really nice loving creatures down deep.
Which brings me to a question that bothers me about the whole half-breed
hypothesis that does'nt wash with me at all. If an alien civilisation
was advanced enough to accomplis interstellar travel, I think they would also
be advanced enough in biology-genetic manipulation/engineering to never need
to use humans as breeding material even if that were possible. If these
'greys'differ from us so dramatically phenotypically I would also think they
would differ enough chromosomally to prevent viable interbreeding..ie. you
can't breed a cat with a dog or any othe rnumber of divergent species. That
being siad I don't know how to account for these hypnotic regression reports
of 'hybrid' fetuses being repossed.
-Marty
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: "sightings" 5/15/92
Date: 22 May 92 05:07:00 GMT
> Mike, do you know of any good written works on the Anza case?? I missed
> the "Sightings" episode - what is happening there?
Yes. I will have to look it up for you over the weekend.
Mike
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From: Marc.Michalik@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Marc Michalik)
Subject: INVASION!!!
Date: 22 May 92 03:14:00 GMT
Gary, as I have asked you on GEnie several times: Please show the
evidence you repeadedly say you have or stop with the outragous
behaivior. The only thing you are succeeding in is to make others
stories less credible and give ammunition to the skepitcs.
Everytime somebody comes out and says "Aliens took me to France for
breakfast" or some totaly outragous story like that the person is
only hurting the cause of getting "outsiders" to understand what is
going on. Please prove what you are saying, which you say that you
can do, or go away.
I realize that I am on the verge of you accusing me of being a clone
or a CIA agent or something. Do you think I care? That is not
exactly damaging! I will continue to pester you for the proof you
repeatedly claim to have until you show it or stop. I believe that
you are causing a lot of damage to this area of research and making
things more difficult for me personally and many others as well.
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From: Mark.Rodeghier@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mark Rodeghier)
Subject: UFO Related Shows
Date: 19 May 92 16:09:00 GMT
JH> > latched onto another gold mine?
JH>
JH> tabloid news shows, specials etc. I believe the only agenda
JH> is cashing in.
Just like the song says, "...Hooray for Hollywood" :-)
Mark
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Gb Lights
Date: 19 May 92 23:55:01 GMT
> Why does it sound like someone is playing quite a game with Dr. Greer?
Yes, I understand exactly what you mean.
That's one reason I feel we should keep looking at the GB incidents rather
than simply going on to something else. Ignoring a mystery doesn't make it go
away.
If there's a mundane and/or terrestrial cause for such a huge number of
incidents, I'd like very much to learn what it is. I'm not a Gulf Breeze
debunker, neither am I a Gulf Breeze "true believer." I'm just curious.
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Gulf Breeze road flares
Date: 20 May 92 00:15:02 GMT
> During last years' SSE (Society for Scientific Exploration) meeting
> held here at the University of Virginia, Dr. Bruce Maccabee presented
> a slide taken of a Gulf Breeze 'road flare' by an amateur photographer.
This photo was shot by Brenda Pollak (sp?) using a 35mm camera with a 300mm
lens, handheld; visually, the "object" was a dim red light apparently on the
bottom of a large dark disc, seen just under a 1,600 ft cloud cover. Observers
include Duane Cook, Ed and Frances Walters, and Cook's son. This was one of the
first widely-known "redlight" sightings. Pollak's autoexposure camera selected
an estimated four-second shutter speed, of course resulting in the serpentine
image. The various colors are readily visible in dupe slides of the image.
Cook's son also shot a photo using Ed Walters' (then-new) Canon A1 camera with
a 75-200 zoom lens, 200mm @f4. The result was a blurry red blob, due to the
slow camera-selected shutter speed. So here's the story.... Ed and Frances went
out for a walk, and noticed the red light. They attempted to call several
people and got answering machines. Eventually, they reached Cook, who called
others, and the people gathered. Ed couldn't find the light with his camera,
so he handed it to Cook's son. The boy found it and shot the first (blurry red
blob) photo. A few seconds later, Brenda Pollak shot the serpentine photo.
Pollak said she shot just before the red light went out, and when the exposure
ended, the light was gone (she couldn't see because the camera mirror was up).
The others said they saw the red light flash white, then vanish. A short time
later a military helicopter approached and shone a searchlight around the
churchyard, which would have been pretty much directly under the object. Calls
to Pensacola NAS the next day got the story that the helicopter was on an SAR
mission (in a churchyard?). The preceding came from interviews with Ed Walters
and Bruce Maccabee. There may be inaccuracies, since I was running from memory.
Details of this and other Gulf Breeze incidents can be found in GB.ZIP, dated
July 1990, available from 1:363/29.
jbh
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