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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 540
Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 540
Sunday, March 15th 1992
(C) Copyright 1992 Paranet Information Service. All Rights Reserved.
Today's Topics:
For All You Astroid Impact Dooms Dayers
Answers on 1992CS
Re: Asteroid CS1992
Re: Asteroid CS1992
Black Helicopters
Stuff
Re: Mel Noel/kirkwood
Re: PRESS RELEASE
Re: Cable Radio Network
Re: Cable Radio Network
EMERGENCE OF A PHENOMENON
Cable Radio Network
Black Helicopters
Re: Black Helicopters
Georgia MICAP
3rd grade German
Re: Cable Radio Network
Re: Cable Radio Network
Cable Radio Network
Re: Mel Noel/kirkwood
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: For All You Astroid Impact Dooms Dayers
Date: 10 Mar 92 19:59:00 GMT
* Forwarded from "Alt.Alien.Visitors"
* Originally from Steve Timpson
* Originally dated 03-09-92 20:41
From: timpson@shodha.enet.dec.com (Steve Timpson)
Date: 9 Mar 92 15:09:48 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
Message-ID: <6119@shodha.enet.dec.com>
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Article: 20808
From: lpb@stratus.swdc.stratus.com (Len Bucuvalas x5363)
Newsgroups: sci.astro
Subject: Answers on 1992CS
Date: 5 Mar 92 22:17:01 GMT
Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU
In all fairness .... here are 2 answers from what seems to be
intelligent and respected professionals in the industry.....I used to
live in Mass so I can tell you that MIT's requirements for researchers
are MOST stringent!
Len
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>From mcdonald@astron.MIT.EDU Wed Mar 4 06:46:12 1992
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 92 09:47:09 -0500
Rumors of an imminent impact have no basis. Rick Binzel certainly
does not know of any likely asteroid impacts in the next few years,
and that is one of his major studies. In fact, he just helped write a
paper studying the likelihood of any such impact over some large
stretch of time (100 years? I'm not sure). There are no asteroids
currently known which are likely to impact the earth in the forseeable
future. The paper also has a proposal for a national policy for
searching for asteroids on an impact course. I haven't read the
report, but from what I recall from his talks, he expects that it
would take nearly a century to identify most of the asteroids which
have any possibility of approaching the earth, if we had a systematic
search program underway. Another conclusion I recall is that the
likelihood of any individual being killed by an asteroid/meteor is
much lower than many other risks we take for granted. While a major
meteor strike would kill many people, they happen extremely rarely, so
the probability of you being killed by one is very very small. As
Rick puts it, he's not losing any sleep over it. It is simply
something we should start looking into; sometime in the future, maybe
a hundred years, maybe a thousand, there will be a major impact, but
perhaps by that time we can predict it and even do something about it.
In the meantime, put your fears to rest. There is no evidence of a
major impact imminent. The chance of a major impact happening in your
lifetime, or even your grandchildren's lifetime, are extremely low,
and we cannot predict asteroid orbits accurately enough that far in
the future even for those asteroids for which we have "good" orbits.
These rumors of an imminent impact sound very much like typical
end-of-the-world or government-conspiracy rumors. Last year someone
claimed there would be a devastating earthquake in Missouri, and lots
of people got concerned in spite of geologists statements that there
was no evidence for an imminent earthquake. The earthquake did not
happen on the claimed date, and people have forgotten about it. I
expect the same thing to happen to this rumor.
Steve McDonald
Earth, Atmospheric & Planetary Science
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
mcdonald@astron.mit.edu
>From tholen@hubble.IFA.Hawaii.Edu Wed Mar 4 01:43:42 1992
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 92 23:39:48 HST
From: tholen@hubble.IFA.Hawaii.Edu (Dave Tholen)
Subject: Re: Asteroid CS1992
Newsgroups: sci.astro
Organization: Institute for Astronomy, Hawaii
There is no asteroid designated CS1992. This isn't even a proper
asteroid designation. If "some circles" are using this designation,
and if it is an unusual object in any way, then it would have been
reported to the Minor Planet Center and received a real designation by
now. 1992 CS is a real designation, but if it were unusual, I would
have heard about it by now.
Regarding the destruction of an asteroid using a nuclear warhead,
there is ample scientific explanation. It is well known that
asteroids have collided with the Earth in the past, and will continue
to do so as long as there is a supply (the main belt) and a mechanism
for putting them into Earth crossing orbits (perturbations by
Jupiter). A collision with a sufficiently large asteroid could cause
widespread devastation, something that most people would like to
avoid. Such a catastrophe could be avoided by either diverting the
asteroid or destroying it. Nuclear warheads offer sufficient energy
to do the job.
I know of no connection to a tract of land in Australia.
Jost Jahn posts the periodic Earth-crossing asteroid ephemerides, but
the answer was from someone at MIT (and probably hasn't made it across
the Usenet yet, so I'll include it here).
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From: mcdonald@athena.mit.edu (Steve McDonald)
Newsgroups: sci.astro
Subject: Re: Asteroid CS1992
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 92 17:38:46 EST
Sender: news@athena.mit.edu (News system)
Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology
In article <9203031854.AA10203@echidna.swdc.stratus.com>
lpb@STRATUS.SWDC.STRATUS.COM (Len Bucuvalas x5363) writes:
>We are looking for exact scientific information regarding an
>asteroid, that has in some circles been named CS1992.
>
>In particular, we wish to know its current position, its orbital elements,
>and future orbital path, including any possible interceptions with the
>orbit of the Earth and any possible 'near' misses in the next 20 years.
>
> [lots of stuff about anti-meteorite icbm's and rumored 1000-occupancy
> survival shelters in Australia]
CS1992 doesn't sound right; perhaps you mean 1992CS, which is a proper
form for an asteroid designation? CS1992 is not a proper form.
I have not seen any IAU circular on anything designated 1992CS (or
CS1992). Nor has Rick Binzel, a major asteroid specialist, heard of
it. But if there is an asteroid designated 1992CS, we can immediately
infer several things about it. First, it was only discovered in the
first half of February this year. Newly discovered asteroids follow a
very specific naming sequence; 1992 is the year of discovery, C means
first 15 days of February, and S means it was discovered after 1992CR.
Next, we can immediately infer that we know very little about it. It
has only been under observation for a little over two weeks. You can
get a preliminary orbit calculation from three observations, but it
takes much more than that to be able to confidently recover it a year
later. And it takes many years of observations before the orbit is
refined enough to list it with the asteroids with confidently known
orbits (at which time it gets a permanent number and a name). So
predicting earth approaches even just a year or two from now with only
two weeks of observations is ridiculous. The error bars are absolutely
huge. It is impossible to blame any of the things this author
mentions on such a recently discovered asteroid.
Steve McDonald
Earth, Atmospheric & Planetary Sciences
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
mcdonald@astron.mit.edu
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Black Helicopters
Date: 11 Mar 92 05:48:00 GMT
> I thought all helicopters required ID numbers and I feel that operating
> at a low altitude in a congested area is not only grossly stupid but
> illegal.
>
> Does anyone know who these copters "belong" to; what they are doing; and
> why do I see them so often? Am I paranoid and if not, should I be?
It may be illegal. Start carrying binoculars and a camera with you. The next
time you see it, take a picture of it.
Mike
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From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z91.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Stuff
Date: 10 Mar 92 14:20:00 GMT
Dear Mark:
I tried calling this past weekend, and then got hung up with a lot of busy
work so I never followed up.
I wondered about a couple of things: First, how are things working out with
Dimitri? Is he making progress?
Second, can CUFOS recommend a good audio/visual resource center for UFO
lectures, such as pre-organized slide shows, overheads, etc?
Third, what is CUFOS' reaction to the article in Skeptic's UFO Newsletter
#14 regarding the Belgium case? In it, Fast Phil claims that Wim Van Utrecth
has harsh words for the case, saying that its mainly a lot of me-tooism,
sketchy photos, etc. Klass has nothing original to say on this case, but I
have a lot of respect for Van Utrecht, who dealt the death blow to Gulf
Breeze in my mind. Oh, yeah, Klass claims that "an anonyomous source" told
him that top officials in the Belgian Air Force were "embarrassed over a
lower-level decision to dispatch two F-16 interceptors" which later painted
fast-moving objects on their radar screens, "suggesting a malfunction" in
the onboard radar. Now, if they were so embarrassed, why on earth would they
let the BAF Chief of Operations hold a press conference at which he
communicated the military's bafflement over the incident?
Look forward to hearing from you....
Jim
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From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z91.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Mel Noel/kirkwood
Date: 11 Mar 92 05:54:00 GMT
Hi Peggy,
Wouldn't you know these guys would use some lame excuse to keep from
cooperating with you?
Did you see Paul Faeder's post to me on the Chateau-de-Rennes?? (I
think I spelled it correctly!
I read it with my mouth flopped open! Very interesting! I think I'll
try to learn more.
Geez! Loren just brought his book here - the one I thought was called
Holy Grail, Holy Blood. Loren's book is in GERMAN, and it's called
Der Heilige Gral und seine Erben. (Authors: Lincoln, Baigent, Leigh)
Now he says his book is a translation and it -is- the same. (Well, my
German is about 3rd grade level at best! So this won't do me much
good.)
Do check your messages. Loren says we answered you def. on Compuserve.
Goota go--eyeballs are criss-crossing!
Linda
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From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: PRESS RELEASE
Date: 9 Mar 92 16:13:05 GMT
I guess I need to invest in a dish and end all of this searching for things
I really wish to view. Right after I win the lottery of course. 8*)
Meanwhile phase one has been completed, the marriage is over, now all that I
need to do is pay off five years of debt that I got for my reward...
Maybe someone can tape the show and let me listen to it. The defunct radio
show sounded very good, and I can only expect the new one will be even
better. Keep up the good work.
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From: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker)
Subject: Re: Cable Radio Network
Date: 11 Mar 92 01:22:00 GMT
Peggy Noonan asked;
> But if I don't have cable, then there's no way to get it, right?
> (Yes, that's right -- I'm one of the last two dozen people in the US who
> have not yet gotten cable.)
Well Peggy there is still one, maybe two ways left. First if you have a
satellite dish, you can tune into it on SATCOM 1-R, at TRANSPONDER 15, and the
freq. is 7.235. The second way is to call your local FM radio station and
either ask them to download that signal, or call the good people at CRN at
818-352-7152.
Best;
Don
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From: Steve.Rose@p0.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Rose)
Subject: Re: Cable Radio Network
Date: 11 Mar 92 06:52:00 GMT
-=> Quoting Peggy Noonan to Steve Rose <=-
>you might here all the local stations plus imported signals.
PN> But if I don't have cable, then there's no way to get it, right?
PN> (Yes, that's right -- I'm one of the last two dozen people in the US
PN> who have not yet gotten cable.
Consider this to be another reason not to put it off any longer. ;-)
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From: Bill.Chalker.UFORA.Associate.NSW@f8.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Bill Chalker UFORA Associate NSW)
Subject: EMERGENCE OF A PHENOMENON
Date: 6 Mar 92 05:44:00 GMT
I have been browsing through a copy of Jerome Clark's
massive tome, "The Emergence of a Phenomenon: UFOs from the
beginning through 1959", Volume 2 of his UFO Encyclopedia
trilogy.
I have to admit bias here but I recommend this volume as a
great treasure trove of information. It is the most
detailed account of pre 1960s ufology to date. It has 113
enteries, 433 pages and pictures this time.
Jerry Clark wrote all of this volume bar 2 enteries. Eddie
Bullard wrote a piece on 19th century UFOs and I contributed
a 23 page history on the UFO controversy in Australia and
New Zealand up to and including 1959.
I had a chance to read a draft of Volume 2 in September last
year. I was amazed by the depth of research Jerry has done.
It is an extraordinary work. Although very expensive at $75
(US) your money would be well spent in getting it.
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From: Anson.Kennedy@p0.f25.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Anson Kennedy)
Subject: Cable Radio Network
Date: 12 Mar 92 06:44:00 GMT
> Anson, I saw your reply on this thread by reading
> replies to the original message I'd received, so I
> hope you won't mind my butting in here...I'm very
> interested to know more about this DMX system. Is
> there a brochure available which would tell me the
> types of music selections available and costs in the
> Denver metro area? If so, let me know where to send
> for it. Thank you.
Are you the same Peggy Noonan who wrote speaches for Reagan? :-) Just kidding,
I've been lurking for some time and have seen you answer *that* question on
more than one occasion. I also seem to recall seeing a message from you pop up
on Compuserve not too long ago (I get around).
Anyway, I'm not sure what cable systems carry DMX. I'd suggest you call your
local cable operator (I suspect it's TCI) and ask them. Ask about
Scientific-Atlanta's Digital Music Express system. In the meantime, I'll ask
around at the office (I work in engineering, we just design the stuff,
we don't sell it) and see if anybody knows if DMX is available in your area.
The sevice itself consists of 30 channels, transmitted digitally over the
cable, i.e. CD quality. Let's see, there's a jazz channel, oldies channel,
classical channel, rap channel (word), rock channels, even country music (I
think). Just about something for everyone. And *no* talking.
--- Anson
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From: shemtaia.weeg.uiowa.edu!jrblack
Subject: Black Helicopters
Date: 13 Mar 92 00:25:24 GMT
From: James Roger Black <jrblack@shemtaia.weeg.uiowa.edu>
John Zuk writes:
+ About every 6 to 8 weeks, I see what looks like a black helicopter
+ either surveying the area or looking for something. I've read that
+ these helicopters have shown up after UFO events but I'm not aware of
+ any UFO activity.
+
+ I thought all helicopters required ID numbers and I feel that operating
+ at a low altitude in a congested area is not only grossly stupid but
+ illegal.
+
+ Does anyone know who these copters 'belong' to; what they are doing;
+ and why do I see them so often? Am I paranoid and if not, should I
+ be?
Choppers of this description operate from time to time here in Iowa City.
One of them buzzed our downtown pedestrian mall at lunch hour once, at
an altitude that couldn't have been more than 300 feet. I called the
local airport manager to ask about it; he confirmed the helicopter's
presence but said he had no idea who they were or why they were operating
so low. With no identifying marks, it was impossible to find out who was
doing it. As far as I know, none of the local police departments have
anything like it.
I don't suppose we'll know for sure who these idiots are until one of them
falls out of the sky and kills a bunch of innocent bystanders. It would
be instructive to hang around and see who comes to clean up the mess.
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From: Tom.Davis@f201.n350.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Tom Davis)
Subject: Re: Black Helicopters
Date: 12 Mar 92 01:44:00 GMT
It is possible that you may be seeing a film company chopper. They
are often painted black to avoid reflection while filming and,
depending on their license and usage, may or may not have markings at a
particular time. You might start with a call to your state film office
to see if any film companies have a low-level permit for your area.
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From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z91.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Georgia MICAP
Date: 11 Mar 92 23:02:00 GMT
Hi Anson,
Whereabouts in Georgia are you located? I lived there for about 10
years, near Florida.
Regards,
Transplanted Rebel, now in AriZonie
(Linda Bird)
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From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: 3rd grade German
Date: 13 Mar 92 15:36:02 GMT
>Wouldn't you know these guys would use some lame excuse to keep
>from cooperating with you?
Well, I don't know if they're intentionally _trying_
to avoid cooperation but whatever the motivation, it still comes out
the same in the end. (drat!)
>Holy Grail, Holy Blood. Loren's book is in GERMAN, and it's
>called
>Der Heilige Gral und seine Erben. (Authors: Lincoln, Baigent,
>Leigh)
>Now he says his book is a translation and it -is- the same.
>(Well, my German is about 3rd grade level at best! So this
3rd grade German is a whole lot more advanced than I am! Wow! What a
mind!
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From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: Re: Cable Radio Network
Date: 13 Mar 92 15:37:03 GMT
Hi Don,
Thanks very much for the suggestions about Cable Radio
Network. The satellite dish idea won't work for me, but the phone
number will! I appreciate it!
==Peggy==
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From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: Re: Cable Radio Network
Date: 13 Mar 92 15:41:04 GMT
> -=> Quoting Peggy Noonan to Steve Rose <=-
> >you might here all the local stations plus imported signals.
> PN> But if I don't have cable, then there's no way to get it, right?
> PN> (Yes, that's right -- I'm one of the last two dozen people in the US
> PN> who have not yet gotten cable.
>Consider this to be another reason not to put it off any
>longer. ;-)
Ah, but then I'd lose my status at one of the few remaining
Dinosaurs of Archaic Lifestyle Club Members! (Besides, everybody
knows you've got to wear aluminum foil hats to protect against the
Zeta-Reticulans' thought control beams that enter your home through
cables...Hmmmm....I wonder about the phone lines...<very large and
tongue-in-cheek grin here>
Ah, the choices of modern times: whether tis nobler in the mind to
adapt to technology and buy cable or to cling to the slings and
arrows of outmoted systems...
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From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: Cable Radio Network
Date: 13 Mar 92 15:48:05 GMT
>Are you the same Peggy Noonan who wrote speaches for Reagan?
>:-) Just kidding, I've been lurking for some time and have
>seen you answer *that* question on more than one occasion. I
>also seem to recall seeing a message from you pop up on
>Compuserve not too long ago (I get around).
hahahaha!
Yes, I'm on Compuserve too, but haven't checked in as frequently
lately...some problem there about getting forum messages routed to
mail so I've missed a bunch of replies and they can't seem to get it
straightened out. Sorry, I shouldn't say "a bunch" of replies --
instead I should more accurately say "some." Do you lurk in the
Paranormal Issues forum there?
>The sevice itself consists of 30 channels, transmitted
>digitally over the cable, i.e. CD quality. Let's see, there's
>a jazz channel, oldies channel, classical channel, rap channel
>(word), rock channels, even country music (I think). Just
>about something for everyone. And *no* talking.
Sounds very promising. (Though to be fair, I'm a big fan of talk
radio too -- how else could I keep up with "Weird Night"? -- Which,
by the way, will be next Friday on KOA, Denver, 850 am and anyone
who wants to get in touch with the show's host, Rick Barber, can
reach him on Prodigy where his ID number is CHTH90A.) It would be
really nice to choose the type of music you prefer and hear it with
no interruptions and in clear, solid signal. Maybe Don Ecker's
suggestion about calling the LA number for the CRN would give info
on this too, but in case not, if you do hear anything at the office,
I'd appreciate a relay of info.
Thanks very much!
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From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: Re: Mel Noel/kirkwood
Date: 13 Mar 92 16:25:00 GMT
Hi Linda,
Found the Paul Faeder message about the chateau -- Wow! Thanks for
the tip!
==Peggy==
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