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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 522
Thursday, January 16th 1992
Today's Topics:
Australian Computer Book
Mj-12 And Bill Moore
Suicides?
Radio Isotopes Found In Corn
Re: CIS MESSAGE
Nephilim
Amazon Question
Roswell Investigation
Suicides?
Roswell Investigation
Texas Camps
Momentous Occasion
Australian Computer Book
UFO RESEARCH IN AUSTRALIA & NEW ZEALAND digital book info
Diffraction for viewing UFOs
Australian Computer Book
Re: Nephilim
Radio Isotopes Found In Corn
Responses to several messages
Suicides?
Texas Camps
Re: Colds
Keith's paper
Delphos Chemical, Hieronymous, etc.
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From: Mark.Rodeghier@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mark Rodeghier)
Subject: Australian Computer Book
Date: 7 Jan 92 03:03:01 GMT
Vladimir,
I attempted today to call the numbers you supplied for Dynamo House
to order a copy of the book. I didn't get through and got the same
message both times about checking the number before calling again,
so I assume the numbers are somehow incorrect (I checked my dialing
carefully).
Do you know if the numbers are incorrect? If so, do you have the
new ones? Thanks.
Mark
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Mj-12 And Bill Moore
Date: 7 Jan 92 05:12:00 GMT
> From: THURMAN_JIM/HPATC_01%hpcsee.col.hp.com@col.hp.com
> I have been trying to find out the latest on the MJ-12 documents
> and what has happened to Bill Moore.
>
> My understanding from reading the literature is that the MJ-12
> papers were considered, by most researchers, to be faked...
> possibly by Moore himself. If anyone has up-to-date information
> on this I would greatly appreciate it. Also any new info on the
> Groome Lake (Area 51) happenings would be of great interest. Thanks
> in advance for any help!
As I have heard recently, Bill Moore is alive and well in LA. Don Ecker has
recently interviewed him and was told that he was a "controlled asset" for the
spook community. This article appears in the latest issue of UFO Magazine.
As we have always asserted, the MJ-12 documents are generally considered
fakes, however this does not answer a few open questions: 1) Why? and 2)
Where did some of the interesting information contained in them come from? As
most know, the MJ-12 documents list Donald Menzel as one of the "Unholy 12."
At first blush, this sounds completely preposterous as Don Menzel was one of
UFOlogists most colorful bashers, next to Phil Klass. However, Stan
Friedman's latest research uncovered some very interesting things about
Menzel's "closet-life," including his involvement in high level intelligence
matters. This would shed some different light on Menzel, and now brings to
the fore a big question about who in fact really hoaxed the documents.
Moore claims that he is still involved in some work for the spooks.
Mike
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Suicides?
Date: 7 Jan 92 05:17:00 GMT
> Correcto-mundo. I actually did recall the Defenestration of Forrestall
> after I finished the message.
>
> I actually have a file on Forrestall's death, but I don't know that
> anyone has done a take-no-prisoners investigation. Jumping out a window
> is a pretty unusual way to go -- and it's so easy to "assist" such a
> suicide...
In reading "Blank Check" by Tim Weiner, he claims that Forrestal went bonkers
and began to think that the Japanese were poisoning him and following him
around, among other things. Maybe Bill Moore was do a Bennewitz on him :-)
Mike
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Radio Isotopes Found In Corn
Date: 7 Jan 92 05:18:00 GMT
> From: Robert Trevelyan <rob@aixssc.ibm.co.uk>
Keep us posted on where we can get a look at lab results of these tests to see
the procedures used to analyze them.
Thanks,
Mike
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From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: CIS MESSAGE
Date: 5 Jan 92 11:22:18 GMT
Got your message and the address, I started making up a package of articles
for you. Should be leaving the office UPS on Monday or Tuesday.
As usual note the time on the message. a few hours sleep and here I am at
the keyboard again. For a change I'm at home not the office.
Nothing new on West who says the sphinx is much older than generally
accepted. How many days until 11:11? I'm not too concerned as time and the
dates are all man made and have nothing to do with the cosmic relationships.
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From: Carl.Aztec@f70.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Carl Aztec)
Subject: Nephilim
Date: 6 Jan 92 04:57:00 GMT
>
> Thanks for that information on Yahweh. Have you read
> any of Zecharia Sitchin's books?
The 12th Planet and The Lost Realms. Someday I'll get around
to the others!
> I was wondering if one of the
> Sumerian gods could have been adopted by the Hebrews,
> and, if so, which one?
Historically, religion seems to modify itself to fit the
needs of the believers who borrow heavily from earlier
religions and mythologies. Of course from the believers
perspective the have "discovered" the religion.
> The origin of religion fascinates me; what a mystery
> it is!
You would probably enjoy a book called "The Power of Myth".
Basically it's a transcript of a PBS TV interview of Joseph
Campbell conducted by Bill Moyers (or perhaps you were lucky
enough to catch the TV series itself(?)).
I don't want to stray too far from the topic of this
conference, so perhaps to make this relevant I'll suggest
that perhaps our "New Age Aliens" are nothing more than
man's answer to an archetypical divine entity ala
Joseph Campbell and/or C.G. Jung.
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Amazon Question
Date: 6 Jan 92 01:42:03 GMT
> Maybe something like Tristan Jones' tall, fair-skinned, red-haired group
> of people in South America.
You've read Tristan Jones?!!! Wow!
I met him about nine years ago in Key West; kept the beer coming and he kept
the stories coming. Amazing guy! Maybe the fact that I was a scuzzy sailor
helped. ;-)
Now that you mention it, I remember something about the fair-skinned people
too. I *think* it may have been in _Adrift_, but it's been so long since I've
read his books I don't remember.
jbh
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From: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Roswell Investigation
Date: 7 Jan 92 05:51:59 GMT
In a message to Sheldon Wernikoff <05 Jan 92 17:57> John Burke wrote:
JB> Sheldon:
JB> Offer a reward to people like Bill Brazel or anyone else who may
JB> still be holding Roswell debris, to come forward with it on live
JB> television. $100,000
I'd think any holdouts would have come forward long ago. The total take on a
real live piece of a flying saucer would be a helluva lot more than $100,000.
I'd say offer the money to any Pentagon insider with documents.
Jim
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From: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Suicides?
Date: 7 Jan 92 05:54:19 GMT
In a message to Jim Greenen <05 Jan 92 18:28> Clark Matthews wrote:
> JG> You forgot James V. Forreststall (spelling not correct) and
> JG> probably thousands more that we are not aware of. ---Jim---
CM> Correcto-mundo. I actually did recall the Defenestration of
CM> Forrestall after I finished the message.
CM> I actually have a file on Forrestall's death, but I don't know
CM> that anyone has done a take-no-prisoners investigation. Jumping
CM> out a window is a pretty unusual way to go -- and it's so easy to
CM> "assist" such a suicide...
Hmmm, where did I see just such a report recently??? Oh yeah, UFO Magazine,
latest ish, a book review that went into detail on the last days of Forrestal.
Apparently he WAS a very disturbed man.
Jim
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From: John.Burke@f9.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke)
Subject: Roswell Investigation
Date: 8 Jan 92 06:59:00 GMT
Jim Speiser writes:
> I'd think any holdouts would have come forward long ago.
> The total take on a real live piece of a flying saucer
> would be a helluva lot more than $100,000.
> I'd say offer the money to any Pentagon insider with
> documents.
Yeah! I just saw that guy on Larry King tonight, who was offered
$100,000 for a little piece of Scotch tape with some moon dust on
it!
A piece of "The Corona Express" should fetch a bigger price than
that!
-- John
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From: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker)
Subject: Texas Camps
Date: 8 Jan 92 06:58:00 GMT
Kay Mclaughlin asked;
> Don,
>
> On the Chuck Harder Show the other night, I heard a snippet about how
> various private pilots(?) have been seeing "concentration type camps"(!)
> springing up in the wilds of Texas. I didn't catch the whole thing, but
> it sounded weird, he said he was looking into it.
>
> Heard anything?
Kay, like many people researching the UFO field, I have heard various rumors
over the years about "detention camps" or "concentration camps" being set up
for various "polictical unreliables" in the event of internal U.S. problems.
Perhaps some of the various govt. types that inhabit this forum could
enlighten us but I will not hold my breath.
HOWEVER:
I to heard that on the Harder show, so I went investigating my newest version
of Ralph McGeHee's CIABASE. The following is what I found, and what McGeHee has
included in this fantastic computer database on the various covert agencies.
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DOMESTIC OP
COLONEL NORTH AND THE FEDERAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY (FEMA)
DREW UP A PLAN TO SUSPEND THE CONSTITUTION, IMPOSE MARTIAL LAW,
AND LOCK UP SOME 400,000 CENTRAL AMERICAN REFUGEES IN THE EVENT OF
A PRESIDENTIAL DECLARATION OF A STATE OF NATIONAL EMERGENCY. MJ
3/88 P12, 15-6 ALSO SEE MJ 4/88 P60
FEDERAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY, FEMA. SHEEHAN OF CHRISTIC
INSTITUTE LEARNED THAT THE ADMINISTRATION PLANS TO LOCK UP 400,
000 CENTRAL AMERICANS REFUGEES IF THE PRESIDENT DECLARED A "STATE
OF NATIONAL EMERGENCY" AT THE SAME TIME HE ORDERED AMERICAN TROOPS
INTO ACTION IN CENTRAL AMERICA. FEMA TO COORDINATE OP. FEMA HEADED
BY LOUIS GIUFFRIDA. FEMA WOULD USE 50 STATE NATIONAL GUARD ORGANIZATIONS
AND NEWLY FORMED "STATE DEFENSE FORCES." PLANS TO FIGHT A NUCLEAR
WAR INCLUDED FEMA. FEMA LABORED OVER SCHEMES TO EVACUATE URBAN
POPULATION. NORTH WORKED DILIGENTLY ON ONE PORTION PLAN, THE SUSPENSION
OF THE CONSTITUTION AND THE IMPOSITION OF MARTIAL LAW. OOC 92,
113, MIAMI HERALD 7/5/87
OLIVER NORTH HELPED THE FEDERAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY (FEMA)
DRAFT A CLANDESTINE SCHEME TO IMPOSE MARTIAL LAW IN CASE OF NUCLEAR
WAR, INSURRECTION, OR MASSIVE MILITARY MOBILIZATION. FEMA'S CRISIS
MANAGEMENT PLAN WAS SIDETRACKED WHEN ATTORNEY GENERAL SMITH RAISED
OBJECTIONS. PRO 9/87 P4
REAGAN AIDES OPERATED A VIRTUAL GVT OUTSIDE THE TRADITIONAL CABINET
DEPARTMENTS. ACTIVITIES INCLUDED: A CONTINGENCY PLAN TO SUSPEND
THE CONSTITUTION AND IMPOSE MARTIAL LAW IN CASE OF NUCLEAR WAR
OR NATIONAL REBELLION TO BE ADMINISTERED BY THE FEDERAL EMERGENCY
MANAGEMENT AGENCY (FEMA); DISSEMINATION OF INFO THAT CAST NICARAGUA
AS A THREAT TO ITS NEIGHBORS; CREATION IN 80 OF OCTOBER SURPRISE
GROUP TO MONITOR PRES CARTER'S NEGOTIATIONS WITH IRAN FOR THE RELEASE
OF 52 HOSTAGES. OLIVER NORTH WAS AT THE HEART OF THE GROUP. IN
11/ 81 THE CIA FLEW ARGENTINA MILITARY LEADER GEN LEOPOLDO GALTIERI
TO D.C. TO DEVISE A SECRET AGREEMENT FOR ARGENTINA TO TRAIN NICARAGUAN
REBELS. MIAMI HERALD, 7/5/87 A1,14
LAW
NORTH'S PLAN TO SUSPEND CONSTITUTION AND IMPOSE MARTIAL LAW IN
EVENT NATIONAL CRISES IN "OPPOSITION TO U.S. MILITARY INVASION
ABROAD." CONTROL OF U.S. TO BE TURNED OVER TO FEMA. CT 42
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So, we can now see that FEMA appears to be ONE of the bogeymen at the heart of
the problem. I wonder if they also handle UFOs?
Don
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From: Vladimir.Godic@f6.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Vladimir Godic)
Subject: Momentous Occasion
Date: 9 Jan 92 04:53:00 GMT
> In addition to wishing you all a Happy New Year, it is also my
> distinct pleasure to wish you all a
>
> HAPPY 6TH ANNIVERSARY OF PARANET!
>
>
> Here's to another memorable year of the world's most intelligent
> online conversations on the paranormal!
HAPPY 6TH ANNIVERSARY - LIVE LONG AND PROSPER PARANET!
And you, too, Michael! Thanks for everything.
Vlad
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From: Vladimir.Godic@f6.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Vladimir Godic)
Subject: Australian Computer Book
Date: 9 Jan 92 05:57:00 GMT
> I attempted today to call the numbers you supplied for Dynamo
> House to order a copy of the book. I didn't get through and got
> the same message both times about checking the number before
> calling again, so I assume the numbers are somehow incorrect (I
> checked my dialing carefully). >
> Do you know if the numbers are incorrect? If so, do you have
> the new ones? Thanks.
Mark,
I just polled Paranet and got your message. I then called Telecom
Australia Overseas telephone assistance and told them about your
problem. They told me that you should NOT dial 03 (this is our
internal interstate accesss number) because that only applies to
people calling within Australia. I know I've had similar problems
with our nodelist telephone number. My code here in Cairns is 070
but on our nodelist we have to drop first 0 and just have 70. Well, I
don't know why we have all these complications.
Anyway, this is what you should dial:
011 - 61 - 3 - 427 - 0955 or
011 - 61 - 3 - 428 - 3636.
and , of course, fax number should be changed accordingly.
I did not put in my original message international access code (011)
because I am sure people in the USA know that.
Sorry about it Mark. BTW - did you get my netmail message re the
book, I posted about a week ago? It refers to Jerry Clark and the
book. I'll be polling again next Saturday evening (our time) and
perhaps you can let me know then. Thanks.
Vladimir
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From: Vladimir.Godic@f6.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Vladimir Godic)
Subject: UFO RESEARCH IN AUSTRALIA & NEW ZEALAND digital book info
Date: 9 Jan 92 06:15:00 GMT
* Forwarded from "Info.paranet"
* Originally from Vladimir Godic
* Originally dated 12-22-91 23:42
The book is available directly from:
DYNAMO HOUSE Pty Ltd
PO BOX 110
RICHMOND VIC 3121
AUSTRALIA
TEL: 61- 03-427- 0955
or 61- 03-428- 3636 Fax: 61- 03- 429- 8036
__________________________________________________________________
MARK RODEGHIER FROM CUFOS ADVISED HE COULD NOT DIAL THE ABOVE
TELEPHONE NUMBERS. I HAVE CHECKED WITH TELECOM AUSTRALIA AND THEY TOLD
ME THAT "0" IN FRONT OF "03" SHOULD BE DROPPED. "0" IS OUR INTERNAL
ACCESS CODE AND IS ONLY APPLICABLE TO CALLS WITHIN AUSTRALIA.
THE CORRECT NUMBERS ARE:
011-61-3-427-0955 or
011-61-3-428-3636
Also please adjust FAX numbers accordingly.
I have included this time you international access code as well.
Sorry about it - I didn't know.
Vlad Godic
COST: Australian $ 30.00 plus postage
POSTAGE: Air mail to U.S.A. $2.50 (Australian)
Air mail to U.K. $3.00 (Australian)
The book can be purchased on VISA credit card, or cheque, (in
Australian currency) and will be despatched by return mail.
Within Australia the above price applies but at local postal rates.
For any further enquiries please contact me direct or, if you prefer,
contact the publisher.
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From: udel.edu!thomas%mvac23.uucp
Subject: Diffraction for viewing UFOs
Date: 8 Jan 92 22:44:08 GMT
From: Thomas Lapp <thomas%mvac23.uucp@udel.edu>
In some earlier messages, people were talking about using a
spectroscope to break out a light source into frequencies to
see if the light was from a known type of source.
A diffraction grating will do the same thing and is easy to
use. In fact, my latest Edmund Scientific catalog came today
and offers the following in terms of diffraction gratings:
8 1/2 x 11 inch sheet -- A40,267 $7.30
3-D-type glasses with gratings instead of coloured lenses
are 5-pair for $6.95 (A42319)
Cardboard mounted slides (ie. 35mm slides) are available too:
15 for $14.50 (A1307) or 25 for $19.95 (A39502).
tel for E.S is +1-609-573-6879.
(disclaimer: I've ordered from'em, but not related to 'em).
When taking a physics class I was given one of the cardboard slide
gratings. It works really well, and you can easily see the
difference between sodium vapor and incandescent and mercury vapor
at long distances. We used them in the lab with flourescent tubes
made from specific gases to see their makeup visually.
- tom
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From: Mark.Rodeghier@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mark Rodeghier)
Subject: Australian Computer Book
Date: 9 Jan 92 00:57:01 GMT
Vladimir:
Thanks for the quick reply. I did get your message about the one
copy of the book that was promised to Jerry Clark, which we thank
you for. We need two copies because Jerry isn't in Chicago and has
no plans to return soon. I'll dial the number without the internal
access code and order our other copy soon.
Mark
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From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Nephilim
Date: 9 Jan 92 01:32:00 GMT
Hi Carl,
Thanks for message! I've read 2 1/2 of Sitchin's book. Loved
GENESIS REVISITED.
Thanks for tip on Campbell's books. I know his material was a hit a
few years ago, but, at the time, I wasn't "into all this."
Regards,
Linda
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From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff)
Subject: Radio Isotopes Found In Corn
Date: 9 Jan 92 04:09:01 GMT
In a message to All <06-Jan-92 12:15> Robert Trevelyan wrote:
RT> I have just heard that some samples of corn were taken from
RT> one of the Beckhampton 'fish' formations in 1991 by Michael
RT> Chorost on his visit to the UK. On his return to the USA
RT> these were passed on to Marshal Dudley for analysis and were
RT> found to contain 13 radio isotopes.
Robert, as an important point of clarification here, the samples
Michael provided Marshall with were "soil", not "corn" as stated.
The 13 short-lived radonuclides observed were:
Gold-194, Lead-203, Europium-146, Tellurium-119m (m=metastable),
Thallium-202, Iodine-126, Bismuth-205, Vanadium-48,
Protactinium-230, Ytterbium-169, Yttrium-88, Rhodium-102,
Rhodium-102m. None but Gold-194 and Thallium-202 were observed in
the control.
RT> Dutron [sp] was found, a proton/neutron highbrid I'm told, and
RT> contained heavy nitrogen.
No Robert, "Deuteron Activation" is the method of radonuclide
synthesis posited by Dudley and Chorost to have generated the
aforementioned isotopes. NO DUTRON [sic], (I believe you mean
deuteron) was detected in the samples! Deuterium is a hydrogen atom
which contains the addition of 1 neutron to its nucleus. Regular
hydrogen consists of 1 proton and 1 electron. Deuterium is also
called "heavy hydrogen" NOT "nitrogen". The "deuteron" is the
nucleus of the deuterium atom, which is regarded as a single
subatomic particle.
RT> This type of isotope does not occur naturally and could
RT> not be created without a lenear accelerator similar to the one
RT> at Stanford.
Incorrect...this isotope IS naturally occurring in sea-water in a
ratio of approximately 1:6500, and is a stable atomic species.
Finally, there are other potential problems with the data. The
short-lived radonuclides described are from only ONE formation, and
there was only ONE control sample taken. Additionally, the gamma
spectroscopy peaks observed could have been decoded incorrectly.
Gamma spec data is difficult to interpret. Lastly, if deuteron
activation was the method by which the 13 isotopes were created,
there should also have been additional isotopes detected that were
absent in the samples.
What we now have is some intriguingly suggestive data which has yet
to be corroborated, but Dudley and Chorost are deserving of great
praise for the work they've accomplished thus far.
-= Sheldon =-
@ FamilyNet International Echogate FIDO 1:11/50
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From: udel.edu!thomas%mvac23.uucp
Subject: Responses to several messages
Date: 9 Jan 92 06:37:50 GMT
From: Thomas Lapp <thomas%mvac23.uucp@udel.edu>
Responses to several messages which appeared in the 7 Jan 92 issue
of the paranet digest, which appears to have messages from Christmas
week.
+ From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff)
+ Subject: Suicides?
+ Date: 20 Dec 91 04:50:01 GMT
+
+ In a message to Vladimir Godic <17-Dec-91> Jim Greenen wrote:
+
+ JG> In America, there is a high percentage of researchers in UFOs
+ JG> and government secrets that commit suicide....
I think I could find some reasoning for this, if the facts do indeed
come out this way. The main reason that most of us don't commit
suicide is that 1. fear of pain greater than desire to die and
2. religious teachings against it. I could easily see that if a
UFO researcher believed very much in his topic, he could come to
the conclusion of an athiest, and also conclude that there is no
'penalty' to self-inflicted death (unlike many religions which
teach that there is a penalty of some type for doing so).
Does this make a plausible reason?
+ From: Andre.Eichner@f10.n245.z2.FIDONET.ORG (Andre Eichner)
+ Subject: Gulg Breeze Gifs.
+ Date: 13 Dec 91 06:07:00 GMT
+
+ In a msg of <01 Dec 91>, Don Allen writes to Jim Speiser:
+
+ DA> To convert a GIF for posting on the Net requires that you must first
+ DA> uuencode it from an 8 bit file format to a 7 bit ASCII text format so
+ DA> it can be transmitted around the world intact in message format.
+
+ It's better to install a tick-file echo...
This would be fine for files going only to other echo sites, but since
files may be transmitted across gateways to other networks (internet,
compuserve, etc) uuencoding makes sense. Gateways have a tendency to
not work real well with 8-bit data, but almost all will pass the
ASCII set, which is what makes up uuencoded files.
- tom
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From: Clark.Matthews@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Suicides?
Date: 7 Jan 92 22:36:00 GMT
Hi Mike. Interesting about Blank Check & Forrestall's paranoia.
I haven't read the book -- does Weiner cite any sources for his information?
I understand the family has refused to say anything about the death in the past.
Best,
Clark
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From: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen)
Subject: Texas Camps
Date: 7 Jan 92 15:20:00 GMT
* Replying to a message originally to Don Ecker
KM> Don,
KM>
KM> On the Chuck Harder Show the other night, I heard a snippet
KM> about how
KM> various private pilots(?) have been seeing "concentration
KM> type camps"(!)
KM> springing up in the wilds of Texas. I didn't catch the
KM> whole thing, but
KM> it sounded weird, he said he was looking into it.
This sounds suspiciously like the REX-84 Bravo plan (FEMA) plan..
What's that you ask?
I have this snippet handy:
SECRET CONCENTRATION CAMPS
The September issue of THE OSTRICH reprinted a story from the
CBA BULLETIN which listed the following principal civilian concentra-
tion camps established in GULAG USA under the =Rex '84= program:
Ft. Chaffee, Arkansas; Ft. Drum, New York; Ft. Indian Gap, Penn-
sylvania; Camp A. P. Hill, Virginia; Oakdale, California; Eglin
Air Force Base, Florida; Vendenberg AFB, California; Ft. Mc Coy,
Wisconsin; Ft. Benning, Georgia; Ft. Huachuca, Arizona; Camp
Krome, Florida. The February OSTRICH printed a map of the expanding
Gulag. Alhough this listing and map stirred considerable interest,
the report was not new. For at least 20 years, knowledgeable Patriots
have been warning of these sinister plots to incarcerate dissidents
opposing plans of the =Elitist Syndicate= for a totalitarian
=New World Order=. Indeed, the plot was recognized with the insidious
encroachment of "regionalism" back in the 1960's. As early as 1968,
the "greatest land steal in history" leading to global corporate
socialism, was in a ="Master Land Plan"= for the United States
by =Executive Orders= involving water resource regions,
population movement and control, pollution control, zoning
and land use, navigation and environmental bills, etc. Indeed,
the real undercover aim of the so-called "Environmental Rennaissance"
has been the abolition of private property.
All prelude to the total grab of the =World Conservation Bank=,
as THE OSTRICH has been reporting. The map on this page and
the list of executive orders available for imposition of an "emergency"
are from 1970s files of the late Gen. =P. A. Del Valle's= ALERT,
sent us by =Merritt Newby=, editor of the now defunct AMERICAN
CHALLENGE.
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Texas isn't mentioned in here that I could see. But then this text is
a bit old. Curious though..
Don
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From: Jim.Greenen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Greenen)
Subject: Re: Colds
Date: 8 Jan 92 01:06:02 GMT
LB> Hi Jim,
LB>
LB> You seem to have a good attitude towards women, and I like
LB> that!
LB>
LB> My cold still lingers...I just ate half a pound
LB> cake...weird cravings when I'm sick. My husband was eating
LB> pretzels, pickles, and green olives when he was sick last
LB> week! (honest!)
LB>
LB> Take care!
LB>
LB> Linda
I am going to get killed for this but I think women are superior
to men in most everything.
The pretzels goes real good with the beer and the olive is for
the martini but can't for the sake of me figure out what he was
drinking to compliment the pickles???? ---Grin---
He hasn't been getting sick in the mornings, has he???
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From: violet.berkeley.edu!chalmers
Subject: Keith's paper
Date: 9 Jan 92 13:45:39 GMT
From: chalmers@violet.berkeley.edu (John H. Chalmers Jr.)
For Keith Basterfield:
The latest Skeptical Inquirer (vol.16, #2, winter 1992, p.188)
has a short review of your paper on abductees. Barring typo's and
special fonts which I can't transmit, I've reproduced it verbatim
below. Is it a fair and accurate summary of your and your
colleagues findings and conclusions?
Bartholomew, Robert E., Keith Basterfield, and George S.
Howard. 'UFO Abductees and Contactees: Psychopathology or Fantasy
Proneness?' Professional Psychology: Research and Practice 22(3):
215-222. 1991. Study of a sample of 152 UFO contactees and abductees
finds that 132 have characteristics of the fantasy-prone personality
(FPP). Although they appear to function as normal, healthy adults,
the authors say, FPP's experience rich fantasy lives and score
dramatically higher than control groups on such characteristics as
hypnotic susceptibility, religious visions and apparitional experiences.
They suggest clinicians consider testing contactees and abductees for
fantasy proneness.
This sounds like a fascinating study, to say the least.
--- John
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From: violet.berkeley.edu!chalmers
Subject: Delphos Chemical, Hieronymous, etc.
Date: 9 Jan 92 13:45:52 GMT
From: chalmers@violet.berkeley.edu (John H. Chalmers Jr.)
Reply to Jim Speiser:
The description of the chemical that Faruk found at the Delphos site
is consistent with ordinary soap (Ivory, etc., not synthetic detergents).
Soaps are the sodium and potassium salts of stearic, palmitic, oleic,
and other medium to long chain fatty acids. Such substances are common
in nature and are essential components and metabolic intermediates
of virtually all organisms.
Most of the fats, oils, and waxes of plant, animal, and
microbial origin are esters of fatty acids. The free acids are released
upon digestion and decomposition and free fatty acids would form
salts with metallic ions in the soil and very possibly with reagents
and buffers during Faruk's analysis.
Other metal ions also form soaps: insoluble calcium and magnesium
soaps form as 'scum' when one adds soap to hard water. Lithium soaps
are used in greases and other fatty acid derivatives are widely used
in industry and industrial products.
While saturated fatty acids and their derivatives are reasonably
stable in the absence of microbial degradation, unsaturated fatty acids
react with oxygen to become rancid (peroxides, aldehydes, etc.). Some
unsaturated oils (drying oils such as linseed) polymerize to higher
molecular weight materials.
Fatty acids are also intermediates in the microbial oxidation of
petroleum products. My own experience with using unleaded gasoline to
kill fire ants in my yard indicates that grass does not grow on the
treated soil for up to a year after application. If gasoline, diesel
fuel, paint thinner, etc. were spread on the ground, it might take
several years for vegetation to grow back completely.
So, I don't see how the presence of fatty acid salts per se at a
site is evidence for ET visitation or other paranormal activity.
I'll try to find a copy of JUFOS.
Yes. Stine has a section on 'symbolic Hieronymous machines' where
the innards in the box were replaced by a drawing of the the circuit
diagram, though the prism, antenna, goniometer and pad were retained
as the interface. Both he and Campbell claim positive results.
Stine's book is a good source, even if one doesn't agree with
him. He has also written a good book on model rocketry.
There was a short garble in my description of George Van
Tassell's 'integratron' for which Hieronymous made electrical parts.
I intended to say that the structure was first presented as a
time travel device and later as an apparatus for healing.
It may have become a discotheque since Van Tassell died and his widow
sold the property, but I don't know.
--- John
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