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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 529
Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 529
Sunday, January 26th 1992
(C) Copyright 1992 Paranet Information Service. All Rights Reserved.
Today's Topics:
Re: AMAZON QUESTION
Re: DELPHOS, DEUTERIUM,
Amazon Question
Delphos Samples
Re: Tunnels in Utah
Re: Wackenhut
Re: Tunnels in Utah
Budd Hopkins
Aussie Crop Circle
Aussie Circles
Siberia and Circles
FEMA
Re: Wackenhut
Lucifer, Satan & Prometheus
Re: Cis Message
Re: Amazon Question
Amazon Question
Amazon Question
Latest Magazines
Re: Wackenhut
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From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: AMAZON QUESTION
Date: 21 Jan 92 17:55:46 GMT
I won't mention TJ again, just had to jump in with the news bit.
Now what about this Amazon thing? I'm lost at sea. I saw John's message
about it being available from CIS, maybe I can do some night work and collect
it, if I have more key words to search for, or topics.
As for Lemura and Atlantis, the debate will go on until someone finds it.
Which in my opinion means the debate will go on forever. (sorry I forgot MU
also) There are common myths that seem to repeat around the world, in various
cultures. Many are for instruction and wisdom. A very wise person in
explaining religion has one definition which is, "The wisdom of the tribe." I
think this is universal in cultures that the wisdom of the tribe is somehow
carried from generation to generation. It makes sense to pass on knowledge
through myths and legends, which may or may not be related to real events.
Don't even ask me to debate religion itself, I am only speaking of the
purposes and cultural implications.
Why not have a visitor from space that comes down in a flaming ship to give
something, or to give a message? Wouldn't that make him more powerful than
land based prophets? Comets, meteors, and the like are recent discoverys as
far as understanding what they are. (considering the history of mankind) Take
the timeline we all know and love, which explains that homo erectus has been
here about 2 seconds compared to the age of the planet. Dinosaurs were
extinct 50 million years before our ancestors. When I look in this
perspective, life itself changes meaning.
Why did I just write all that anyway? Well lets just say that allegorical
wisdom has a purpose, and it might have some basis in fact. Most of the time
the story is more important than the fact that it has no basis in historical
reality.
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From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: DELPHOS, DEUTERIUM,
Date: 21 Jan 92 18:01:41 GMT
After all the spelling was corrected, I got the point and re-organized my
thoughts. The only part that still bothers me is (as I said 25 years ago)
Duterium Oxide was H3O. Maybe the symbols have changed, or those related
brain cells are no longer with me? Thanks for the clear answer to set me
straight. I'm so thirsty I could really go for a glass of heavy water.
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Amazon Question
Date: 23 Jan 92 04:15:03 GMT
> that in the one book -- the first leg, I mean
I'm pretty sure it was bone cancer.
jbh
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From: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Delphos Samples
Date: 22 Jan 92 20:35:01 GMT
In a message to All <21 Jan 92 12:10> ncar!mrc-crc.ac.uk!sgambl wrote:
nc> Erol is a member of BUFORA and one of my Trace analysis team, so I
nc> can pick up the comments and pass on.
Good! Please feel free to do so. I assume you know which comments I'm talking
about, the ones from John Chalmers, regarding the possible chemical basis for
the Delphos soil samples?
Jim
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From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Tunnels in Utah
Date: 23 Jan 92 04:20:00 GMT
Hi David,
Years ago I read some Cayce books. I don't recall the Mayra people,
who you said once lived in the southwest (according to Edgar Cayce).
Can you supply us with more background on this?
Thanks, and regards,
Linda
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From: neptune.convex.com!swarren
Subject: Re: Wackenhut
Date: 23 Jan 92 16:47:59 GMT
From: swarren@neptune.convex.com (Steve Warren)
+From: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker)
+Subject: Wackenhut
+Date: 17 Jan 92 02:46:00 GMT
[...]
+PER HAMILTON, BRIAN, WHO RUNS UPI, ALLEGEDLY MARKETED PROMIS TO INTEL AGENCIES
+OF ISRAEL, JORDAN, IRAQ, CANADA, SOUTH KOREA, LIBYA, ENGLAND, GERMANY, FRANCE,
^^^^
+AUSTRALIA, THAILAND, JAPAN, CHILE, GUATEMALA, AND BRAZIL. PER INSLAW, ONCE
+SOFTWARE USED BY FOREIGN INTEL SERVICES, NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY (NSA) ABLE
+INFILTRATE COMPUTERIZED INTEL FILES THOSE COUNTRIES. MODIFICATIONS TO PROMIS
+ALLEGEDLY DONE BY WACKENHUT CORP. OF CORAL GABLES, FL. HOUSE JUDICIARY
+COMMITTEE
[...]
I find this very interesting, as I just read an article a few days ago in
which some US armed services officials were bragging that one of the factors
in the victory over Iraq was that we were able to slip a virus into the
software that controls their radar systems.
That is not independent verification of the above story, but it does reveal
that our government is definitely involved in tampering with the software that
is used in sensitive operations by other countries.
_.
--Steve ._||__ Welcome to the World's First GaAs Supercomputer
Warren v\ *| -----------------------------------------------
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From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Tunnels in Utah
Date: 23 Jan 92 04:20:00 GMT
Hi David,
Years ago I read some Cayce books. I don't recall the Mayra people,
who you said once lived in the southwest (according to Edgar Cayce).
Can you supply us with more background on this?
Thanks, and regards,
Linda
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Budd Hopkins
Date: 23 Jan 92 22:59:00 GMT
As you already know from a previous posting, Budd Hopkins will be MICAP's
guest for a series of lectures in Denver next week. In the past, ParaNet has
offered an opportunity to ask researchers like Budd Hopkins questions. I will
be spending a considerable amount of time with Budd during that week, and
would like to call for your questions. Please post them here and I will
compile them to a hard copy list to be used in an interview that I will do
with Budd. The deadline is next Tuesday, January 28th. I will post the
results shortly after the following week.
Mike
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From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff)
Subject: Aussie Crop Circle
Date: 24 Jan 92 02:57:02 GMT
In a message to All <18-Jan-92 13:45>
Keith Basterfield wrote:
KB> "The Age" Newspaper, Melbourne, Victoria. 31/12/91.
Hi Keith...what variety of newspaper is "The Age"? Sounds like a
tabloid.
KB> Mr Andrews visited Australia recently and last month spent some
KB> time on the Jolly property. "I assure you it's fair dinkum," he
KB> says. "No person could re-create them, or flatten a crop like
KB> that."
Now where have we heard that before?!?!
BTW Keith, I'm really looking forward to that Buick crop circle
commercial. We could all use a good laugh.
Take care,
-- Sheldon
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From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff)
Subject: Aussie Circles
Date: 24 Jan 92 02:58:03 GMT
In a message to Sheldon Wernikoff <19-Jan-92 12:21>
Bill Chalker wrote:
BC> Sheldon, Thanks for your response on this. You have passed on
BC> some interesting info. As my polling window is nearly over I'll
BC> respond in further detail next time.
The pleasure is all mine Bill... and I shall look forward to your
response. I don't know if you read the post from Brent Wilcox
yesterday, but it appears as though Dudley and Chorost have
retracted their article which was to be published next month in the
Cerealogist. Apparently, the reported radiation anomalies observed
in a British circle may have been nothing more than misinterpreted
ambient noise. The details on this development should follow
shortly.
Chris Rutkowski in Winnipeg sends his regards... and thanks, for
your post on the Aussie circles. You can reach Chris on the FIDO
UFO echo or netmail him @ 1:348/101.
Take care,
-- Sheldon
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From: Brent.Wilcox@p5.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Brent Wilcox)
Subject: Siberia and Circles
Date: 23 Jan 92 20:31:26 GMT
In a message to Brent Wilcox <22 Jan 92 21:01> Sheldon Wernikoff wrote:
>BW> I got a message on another Net from Marshall Dudley explaining
>BW> that they've pulled their upcoming article in the Cerealogist.
SW> PLEASE!!! Do post anything further you hear on this one.
I'm waiting for his permission to repost his whole message here, but
I suppose I can paraphrase it.
They sent the soil samples to a "National Lab" to have tests run.
The Lab provided them with their computer analysis of the data, and
this analysis showed several peaks that they interpreted as the
anomalous radioisotopes. They stand by that conclusion, based on
that data. They didn't have immediate access "for security reasons"
to the raw data.
BUT when the Lab finally gave them access to the raw data, they
found that it didn't support the computer analysis. There were
about a hundred peaks, and the "anomalies" became likely artifacts
of background noise in the data. There were calibration problems
between different machines used in the test, and between the
control and the test samples (the test sample was tested at a higher
sensitivity than the control).
They hope to test the samples again if they can find a more reliable
private lab to do the tests under their own scrutiny.
They seem to have been victims of bad lab proceedures and their own
enthusiasm. At least they discovered the errors themselves. I
guess the MUFON article has already been published, but they've
retracted the Cerealogist article.
SW> A most interesting development. Score 1 more for the skeptics.
I'm not really keeping score anymore, I'm just watching how the game
is played... <g>
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From: Clark.Matthews@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)
Subject: FEMA
Date: 24 Jan 92 06:16:00 GMT
In a message to Don Allen <10 Jan 92 11:39> Kay Mclaughlin wrote:
KM> I also remember a lot of talk, because FEMA had had a difficult time
KM> mobilizing relief for Hurricane Hugo, around the time that this story
KM> broke.
Hmmm. Maybe they had more important things to do?
Housing victims of the San Francisco earthquake, for instance. Certainly a
high priority would be building emergency housing. In Texas.
Best,
Clark
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From: Clark.Matthews@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Re: Wackenhut
Date: 24 Jan 92 10:02:00 GMT
nc>+INFILTRATE COMPUTERIZED INTEL FILES THOSE COUNTRIES.
nc>MODIFICATIONS TO PROMIS
nc>+ALLEGEDLY DONE BY WACKENHUT CORP. OF CORAL GABLES, FL.
nc>HOUSE JUDICIARY
nc>+COMMITTEE
nc> [...]
nc>I find this very interesting, as I just read an article a
nc>few days ago in
nc>which some US armed services officials were bragging that
nc>one of the factors
nc>in the victory over Iraq was that we were able to slip a
nc>virus into the
nc>software that controls their radar systems.
I believe the Iraqi radars were Russian, though their command/control
tracking may indeed run under ULTRIX or UNIX and be vulnerable to viruses.
The PROMIS software, as stolen by Meese/Brian and modified by Michael
Riconsuitto at Wackenhut Corp., contains an additional feature that was
added to make it more attractive to intelligence agencies & secret police:
The stolen PROMISE supports tracking of militia/troop movements (the
legitimate INSLAW product contained a module for tracking
witnesses/suspects/law-enforcement personnel/evidence/paperwork).
This "troop module" served as the back door to the program. The back door
allowed US intelligence agencies (NSA/NSC/DIA) to dial into the stolen
software systems and download the data bases. Thus the US was able to
electronically pilfer information on local dissidents, informers, agents,
etc. from the countries that used the pirated PROMIS product. The
locally gathered data could then be added to US data bases -- whether or
not the secret police agencies of the foreign governments chose to
share the info with the US.
Dr. Brian sold PROMIS to Hazamat, the Iraqi secret police (also to Libya,
Canada, S. Korea, Mossad, etc). No doubt Saddam & his brother found the
product to be highly effective in tracking, arresting, and liquidating key
Kuwaitis, Shi'ites, Kurds, and Iraqi nationals over the years. (Perhaps
Meese, Bryan, and Wackenhut should ask him for a testimonial?)
Therefore it is a safe assuption that US intelligence was dialing into
Saddam's secret police software system and downloading info on militia
movements, Republican Guard movements, etc. I understand that this would
have been done thru dial-in ports of the Iraqi computers. So, clearly,
as long as the Iraqi phone system worked, SOMEONE had to be IN IRAQ,
telephoning into their computers on a regular basis and dumping the most
current data as the war progressed. Iraqi switching equipment was closed to
most international calls, so I rather doubt we would have been able
to dial into the Iraqi computers regularly from *outside* the country.
Anyway, as patriotic Americans, I'm sure we can all appreciate the obvious
utility of putting important national security tasks like stealing and
marketing PROMIS squarely in the pockets of well-connected retired
spies and fixers like Brian. Look at it this way -- as long as they're
selling stolen software, they're not running drugs, right?
(Unless they've got a package deal???)
Pleasant dreams!
Clark
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From: oxy.edu!yokatta
Subject: Lucifer, Satan & Prometheus
Date: 24 Jan 92 20:31:49 GMT
From: yokatta@oxy.edu (Scott Littleton)
In his recent comments on the pseudo-Buddhist/New Age figure 'Maitreya,'
David Coleman observes that
DC>Satan became illegitimately equated with Lucifer, a fallen high spirit,
DC>called an angel by the Jews. Note that the Bible refers to them as two
DC>distinct entities/concepts,
This is correct. However, the 'pedigree' of Lucifer extends far beyond
the ancient Judaic tradition. It includes, among other ancient
divinities, the Greek deity Prometheus. Both figures are 'light bearers'
(Lucifer in Latin literally means 'Light Carrier') and both are rebels
against the chiefs of their respective pantheons: Yahweh and Zeus. More
specifically, each attempts to endow newly created mankind with knowledge
that will set the species apart from other beasts. In the Old Testament,
this is symbolized by the Apple in the Garden of Eden, which, in essence,
endows Adam with self-awareness; in the Greek tradition it is symbolized
by the fire (i.e, the 'light,' most likely a lightning bolt) Prometheus
steals from Heaven and given to man, which also symbolizes knowledge--in
this case the knowledge of how to transform his environment. I suspect
that these figures derived from a single prototype, and that the two
stories reflect a common--and very ancient--Near Eastern mythologem. The
big difference, of course, is that in the Old Testament version Lucifer's
actions (the Serpent is but a disguise) on behalf of humanity were
negatively valued and he was forever banished from Heaven, while in the
Greek version Prometheus was regarded as a hero, and Zeus eventually
forgave him. But it's basically the same story. (Incidently, Pandora
plays essentially the same role as Eve in this mythologem and probably
derives from the same Near Eastern trickster-goddess figure.)
Satan, with whom, as Coleman says, Lucifer was later conflated, seems to
have derived from the ancient Iranian archdemon Angra Mainyu (or Ahriman,
as he was called in Middle Persian), who was the eternal enemy of Ahura
Mazda (or Ormazd)--at least in the cosmology preached by the prophet
Zoroaster. Zoroastrian ideas reached the Jews when they were released
from captivity in Babylon by Cyrus in 539 B.C.E. The conflation noted
above must have begun shortly thereafter--about the same time that
Yahweh's divine ancestors, counterparts of whom can be found in almost
every other ancient Near Eastern tradition, were expunged from the canon.
But to return to the more ancient mythologem--as well as to the thrust of
this echo--could the Luciferian/Promethean rebellion myth reflect an
internecine conflict of some sort among the ancestors of our ubiquitous,
gray-skinned 'visitors,' perhaps over what kind of contact was most
appropriate as they consolidated their hold on 'Colony Earth.' One
wonders, especially since myths of this sort, though varying widely as to
details, are found among the great majority of early civilizations, from
Mexico to Japan. In any case, for better or worse, the 'open-and-direct
contact' party seems to have lost decisively.
Cheers,
Scott Littleton
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From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: Re: Cis Message
Date: 24 Jan 92 23:13:00 GMT
>I read USA today for the sports section, and football is the
>only one I follow. They have some interesting articles which I
>will miss until next Sept. The one about West and the Pyramids
>got clipped and saved. I haven't seen anything on UFO's, but
>they do get into some unusual events in depth. When the flight
>19 flap was going on they had coverage, which most other
>newspapers gave about two inches.
I haven't read their football coverage much myself, but I'm a fan of
a couple of local columnists who are pretty sharp too...read too
many papers now to keep up with them all!
The local papers here did have a lot more on Flight 19 (I sent the
clips on to Lou Farish at UFONS) but not much about West and the
Pyramids. Farish did reprint some good stuff on that in UFONS and,
if you haven't already got it, I'll be glad to send you copies to
add to your collection.
>
>I warned someone else not to ask me for things or they would
>get three pounds UPS to dig through. 8*)
Hey, that's great by me! I'm an info-junkie I guess...not happy
unless totally buried in good stuff to read and there is never
enough. Thanks, again, very much! (You're welcome to bury me
anytime especially with such good material!) :-)
==Peggy==
>
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From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: Re: Amazon Question
Date: 24 Jan 92 23:16:00 GMT
>Now what about this Amazon thing? I'm lost at sea. I saw John's
>message about it being available from CIS, maybe I can do some
>night work and collect it, if I have more key words to search
>for, or topics.
>
I'll try to send a message (separately, since I can't figure out how
to enclose a file here) with the original item so you will have as
much as I knew about it. Look for it next.
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From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: Amazon Question
Date: 24 Jan 92 23:18:00 GMT
> > that in the one book -- the first leg, I mean
> I'm pretty sure it was bone cancer.
Ah well, that would fit then. Makes sense, and also would fit with
losing the other one. Thanks for the update!
=Peggy=
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From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: Amazon Question
Date: 24 Jan 92 23:20:00 GMT
> > The Independent, the paper which was cited as the source of this
> > Amazon Discovery story, is available online on Compuserve, but it'd run
> > about $11 to get the item
> Wooo...don't do that....*expensive*. Maybe it'll turn up in
>UFONCS.
Good thought -- Lou Farish probably will have it because he does get
a lot from England (Tim Good sends bunches of UFO stuff) and maybe
this will be in his next issues. If it's not, I'll ask him if he
has seen the clips or knows anything more. Thanks for saving me $$$.
PS- I checked the local libraries and onlines and nobody carries
that paper -- at least no one other than CIS that I've found so far.
==Peggy==
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From: doc.imperial.ac.uk!aixssc.ibm.co.uk!rob
Subject: Latest Magazines
Date: 25 Jan 92 01:06:46 GMT
From: Robert Trevelyan <rob@aixssc.ibm.co.uk>
The latest Cereologist (cerealogist) is now out, No. 5, Winter
1991/92 and The Circular arrived today so subscribers to these
will see them in the near future if not already. I understand
that George Wingfield will be taking over the role of editor
of The Circular replacing Bob Kingsley. Both mags have the
usual reports, photos, sketches and the all to often video
T-shirt etc. There are some quite dubious looking formations
which could be hoaxes but I have'nt seen all of these in the 'flesh'.
I think the formation opposite The Punchbowl with 6 'petals' and
two rings is a hoax for sure. I visited this last year after it
had been there about a week and it looked then a bit rough and
the photo from the air does confirm this.
I have to reserve judgement about the 'Mandelbrot' as it looks
pretty neat and the only other obvious cause for this would be hoaxing.
I think it would be very difficult to hoax this formation
as creating circles rings etc has been proven to be able to fool
the 'experts' but I have no idea how one would create a cartoid
or twisted corn only about 16 inches in diameter. I personally
have not seen this one other than in photos and video but there
is a lot of speculation about this one as within a day or so of
its appearance the farmer drove through the middle of it and
hence dampened any thorough investigation and there was a story of
someone setting light to a part of the formation but this is
unconfirmed.
At present crop circle investigators are getting a bit of stick
as they don't seem to have come up with any real consistent way
of determining 'real' formations from hoaxes. Certainly the hoax
ones I have seen have been fairly obvious but if someone practised
hoaxing they would only get better so it really is time for a
structured process for determining whether formations are genuine.
Dowsing is unreliable, so are 'expert's' oppinion, there is a real
phenomenon and as soon as real researchers stop being sensationalists
the better but this may never happen as there are too many people
making a damn good living out of this at present. My oppinion is
that the people who earn their only living out of this subject
won't really want it solved cause they would have to find another
vocation then.
What this needs is a group of skeptic to come forward with a
list of what 'proves' crop circles are hoaxes, Terence Meaden
to supply a list of what proves formations are vortex and
other experts to supply a list of what they class as methods of
determining authenticity. This then requires an independant
source to collate the information and cross reference it, the
end result would be to at least have a process for determining
what is real. Any input !
Regards, Robert
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From: Jim.Graham@p13000.f13.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Graham)
Subject: Re: Wackenhut
Date: 24 Jan 92 15:46:12 GMT
In a message sent 07:31: 22 Jan 92, Don Ecker wrote to Clark Matthews:
D> Clark Matthews asked:
>> PS -- Don, could you repost info on getting
>> CIABASE?
D> It comes on floppys, so tell them 5 1/4 HD or DD, or 3
D> 1/2 HD or DD.
Don,
Just out of curiosity, is the database itself in text format or is it
compressed?
The reason I ask is that I would like to use CIABASE on my system, which is
not a pc/pc-clone (although it can be made to run pc programs).
Thanks,
Proud owner of a non-pc,
Jim Graham
Jim Graham
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(812)-334-0418, 24 hours
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