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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 503
Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 503
Saturday, November 23rd 1991
Today's Topics:
Weird Night On Halloween
Omni Opinions & Comments
Author
Photos
The End of Freedom
Gulf Breeze
SETI BBS
Author
Author
David Jacobs
Re: Weird Night On Halloween
Re: David Jacobs
ParaNet 9600 bps
ParaNet 9600 bps
Sphinx, scalars
Omni Comments
America's New Secret Aircraft
Re: Crop circle researcher
"mars Effect"
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From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: Weird Night On Halloween
Date: 20 Nov 91 20:10:01 GMT
Hi John,
Thanks for your comment on OMNI and OMNI ONLINE. I'll pass
them along. That's a good idea you had about a UFO news update,
too. I hadn't thought of that but it'd be relatively easy to
prepare and all the UFO-interested readers would find it a handy way
of keeping track of what's going on and where. Good thinking!
I also like your idea of putting it on FidoNet instead of a
pay service. Maybe if we get enough comments like yours they'll
listen (hope hope!). Could be they just didn't think of it -- so
many people don't even know about the Nets...hasn't been that long
ago that you educated me on the subject! (BTW, thanks again -- it's
been great to have this access and without your patient
explanations, I'd still be lost.)
==Peggy==
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From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: Omni Opinions & Comments
Date: 20 Nov 91 20:21:02 GMT
>May I add my two cents? I think OMNI has just the right amount
>of coverage of UFO/Paranormal for a magazine of its type, but I
>would like to see it analyze the paranormal more critically.
>Right now all it seems to do is report claims, and once in a
>while throw in an obligatory quote from a skeptic. I think that
>when something seems to be real, you should say so, and when it
>seems to be fraudulent, you should say so as well.
>As far as an online service, good luck. They tried that on
>CompuServe for a while, without much success.
Thanks very, very much for adding your two cents -- the good
thinking behind your comments is worth a whole lot more than that!
I like the idea about the critical analysis of paranormal claims,
maybe if not on Every story, then at least one per issue. The
comment on real/fraudulent would indeed be helpful to readers
(though I can see where some sources might dry up if they feared
that kind of judgment) ... maybe they could do it like a movie
rating column -- so many stars (or moons or UFOs or whatever) for
the most plausible and fewer as credibility drops. It's an idea
that bears consideration. I'll pass it along.
You mentioned they'd tried the ONLINE thing on Compuserve
and that rang a bell. I recall now that they did have some ads in
the magazine about that but it was before I was on CIS myself, so I
didn't see it. If you did see it, I'd be very interested to hear
from you about how it worked (obviously not too successfully but
talking of the mechanics here) -- was it a question/answer thing or
talk to the writers or just reprinting the magazine online? What do
you think made it fail? And, in case you saw John Hicks' reply
which suggested doing this online thing on FidoNet so it's a nonpay
service, do you think that would get around the problems it had on
CIS? Would you read or use the online thing if it were on FidoNet?
Or do you think you'd get anything out of it?
Hmmmm....I wonder if they could add a feature in which
people could report events as they do here, but then the magazine
would assign people to check out the stories (assuming there's
enough info to go on to start investigating, that is) and then
present follow-up reports later telling you what happened -- did it
check out or not and what was the bottom line. (Or maybe they
already did that when they were on CIS?)
This idea seems like it could have great potential, but, of
course, there could be a giant minefield of problems that elude my
observation because I just don't know enough to see what they'd be.
Looking forward to your thoughts...
==Peggy==
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From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Author
Date: 21 Nov 91 03:36:00 GMT
Hi everyone,
What can you tell me about an author named Keith Thompson? I saw a
book of his called Angels and Aliens." I can't recall who he is and he
is not an author that all of us have mentioned before (to my
knowledge). Is he reliable? reputable? a crackpot?
I'd like to know before I lay my money down.
Thanks everyone!
Linda
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From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Photos
Date: 21 Nov 91 03:38:00 GMT
Hi Chris,
Got your great message, and congrats on passing the orals! I'll be
finished with classes tomorrow night until Dec. 3. I have some photos
to send you, so be looking for a "snail" in about a week.
Best always,
Linda
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From: Clark.Matthews@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)
Subject: The End of Freedom
Date: 19 Nov 91 15:34:00 GMT
In a message to Clark Matthews <10 Nov 91 19:51> Kay Mclaughlin wrote:
KM> REALLY??
KM> Has this been occuring? Care to elaborate?
Hi, Kay! Well, I'm not the ParaNet security director, but without elaborating,
yes, it has been happening. It doesn't seem to bother Steve Rose though, so
OBVIOUSLY there's nothing to worry about.
KM> I live in the DC area, and I haven'r heard about the Maryland BIg Foot
KM> flap, Clark, Steve have any files on this?
Not yet -- and I don't necessarily endorse the claims. But Bigfeet (Bigfoots?)
have supposedly been sighted in Maryland, Delaware and (I think) Pennsylvania
over the last year or so. I hear about people mounting Bigfoot Expeditions,
etc., in Maryland.
KM> I think I missed somthing, what is the INSLAW?
Well, INSLAW is off-topic for the UFO echo, but I've posted a series of 9
articles to the ParaNet General Topics echo on the INSLAW scandal. It's not a
UFO case -- although a couple of NSA/NSC/CIA people implicated in the INSLAW
case have said some "funny" things about UFOs, oddly enough [Example: CIA
retiree on dead reporter -- 'Even if he got names, dates, and places, all he's
got is a UFO book.']
But INSLAW gives a frightening insight into secret goverment operations. It's
very revealing and I think it may prove helpful in understanding the mechanics
(and maybe some of the personalities and motives) behind the UFO coverup.
There's a file on my BBS called INSLAW1.ZIP which contains all the stuff I
posted to ParaNet General Topics. I'll be adding more material to my BBS
shortly. Check the Conspiracy section.
Briefly, INSLAW, Inc., a small, D.C.-based software development firm,
approached the Justice Department with its PROMIS case-tracking software
package in the early 1980s. "Justice" was impressed -- especially Edwin Meese,
the US Attorney General. A demonstration system was installed at the Justice
Department -- and Meese gave several business associates copies of the
complete INSLAW package.
Meese then refused to license the software from INSLAW, halted the $3 million
payment for the demo system, sabotaged other marketing opportunities for the
company, and the "Justice" Dept. forced INSLAW into involuntary bankruptcy.
Meanwhile, a Meese associate with contacts in the CIA, NSA, and foreign
secret-police agencies was decompiling the INSLAW software and PIRATING it.
The stolen PROMIS software was sold to foreign governments and US Secret
Security Agencies, including the FBI, CIA, NSA, and operatives of the National
Security Council (NSC). The stolen software was disassembled and modified at
the Wackenhut Corporation of Coral Gables, Florida, to support the computerized
tracking of private individuals, police forces, and troop movements. A "back
door" was also installed in the program to allow US agencies to dial into
INSLAW sytems licensed to foreign entities and dump the secret data in the
foreign systems into US computers. Subsequently the pirated software sold by
Meese associates to: Mossad (Israel), KCIA (S. Korea), Hazamat (Iraqi secret
police), Libyan secret police, the RCMP and something called the CIS (Canadian
Internal Security -- my family's Canadian & no-one we know has ever *heard* of
CIS) and many others.
Then a problem developed for Meese and the CIA/NSA/NSC pirates. One of the
principals of INSLAW discovered, by accident, of the sale of the stolen
software to the RCMP and, later, the mysterious Canadian CIS. Immediately
thereafter, a U.S. bankruptcy court judge upheld INSLAW's claim of software
piracy and refused to bankrupt and dismantle the INSLAW corporaton as Meese
wanted. This judge was not reappointed Ronald Reagan. The case was retried
and the judge's replacement bankrupted INSLAW involuntarily. BTW, key
elements of the scandal originally surfaced as part of an investigation of
corruption in the federal bankruptcy system in California.
A number of people familiar with the role of Wackenhut Corporation, Meese
associates, and CIA/NSA/NSC in the INSLAW matter were murdered execution-style
in California. The software developer who served as project leader for
Wackenhut's piracy and modification of PROMIS revealed his role to several
congressional investigators -- he was threatened by senior Justice Dept
officials and arrested on drug trafficking charges 8 days after talking with
investigators.
Then another problem surfaced for our trusted Civil Servants and their business
associates: A reporter found all this out and told friends he could place it
in the context of a CIA/NSA/NSC/Mafia "underground governent" that operates
parallel to the US gov't and involves Meese associates, organized crime, and
many CIA/NSA/NSC alumni. The reporter died mysteriously in a West Virginia
motel. Much of his documentary material and notes vanished from his room,
along with a briefcase and some other items. Earlier, he had warned his family
not to believe he'd commit suicide. The local coroner embalmed the body after
receiving "instructions from the family" -- but the family gave no such
instructions. Cause of death was determined to be slashed wrists, but
circumstances point to something that might have been detectable in blood.
Ricin? CIA shellfish toxin? Blowfish toxin? Difficult to determine now.
Among other things, the reporter had told friends that the California murders
were committed by a number of former Special Forces personnel now employed in
the Chicago Fire Department. He said they continue to serve as contract hitmen
for the "parallel government" of businessmen, organized crime, and associates
of NSA, CIA, National Security Council, the Dept. of Justice, Wackenhut, et al.
Sorry for the long post. If you want to talk about INSLAW, please send the
messages in ParaNet General Topics -- gotta uphold the Sysop ideal of Topic
Cop, here, right? :-)
Best,
Clark
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From: doc.imperial.ac.uk!aixssc.ibm.co.uk!rob
Subject: Gulf Breeze
Date: 22 Nov 91 04:36:13 GMT
From: Robert Trevelyan <rob@aixssc.ibm.co.uk>
Thanks to Don Allen who sent some really good posts on the Gulf Breeze
sightings to the Alt.alien.vistors echo. There is a lot of detail in
this which makes interesting reading. Does anyone have any of the Ed Walters
photos on a gif file that I could view to complete the picture.
Thanks, Robert
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Voice: +44-(0)256-56144
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From: cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com!vanth!jms
Subject: SETI BBS
Date: 22 Nov 91 06:33:29 GMT
From: vanth!jms@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Jim Shaffer)
+From: 'MX%\'carr@kirk\''@ASTRO.dnet.ge.com
+
+There's a new 9600 Baud BBS at (614) 258 1710, which intends to focus
+primarily on SETI. Though not set up yet, they plan to have a UFO
+conference as well. They are looking for amateur astronomers who want to
+participate in optical SETI.
Does anyone know exactly what 'optical SETI' involves? It would seem to me
that optical means would be the least likely means of contact. Or does it
just mean the search for extrasolar planets?
--
* From the disk of: | jms@vanth.uucp | I'm in a groove now
Jim Shaffer, Jr. | uunet!cbmvax!vanth!jms | -- or is it a rut?
37 Brook Street | jms%vanth@cbmvax.commodore.com |
Montgomery, PA 17752 | 72750.2335@compuserve.com | (Rush, 'Face Up')
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From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Author
Date: 21 Nov 91 18:11:00 GMT
> Hi everyone,
> What can you tell me about an author named Keith Thompson? I saw a book
> of his called Angels and Aliens." I can't recall who he is and he is
> not an author that all of us have mentioned before (to my knowledge).
> Is he reliable? reputable? a crackpot?
>
> I'd like to know before I lay my money down.
Linda:
Keith is a very nice guy, who just happens to have a more spiritual angle on
things. I wouldn't call him a crackpot, but he is from San Francisco, and is
very much a "Californian".
I believe Don Ecker will have more to say on Keith and his book shortly.
Jim
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From: John.Burke@f9.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke)
Subject: Author
Date: 22 Nov 91 07:40:00 GMT
Linda Bird writes:
> What can you tell me about an author named Keith Thompson?
> I saw a book of his called Angels and Aliens." I can't
> recall who he is and he is not an author that all of us
> have mentioned before (to my knowledge). Is he reliable?
> reputable? a crackpot?
I don't know anything about this guy (other than having seen this
book at the bookstore) BUT ...
He's supposed to be on Larry King's show tonight (Friday) with
our friend Don Ecker.
So turn off your computer and turn on your TV! Quick!
-- John
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From: Clark.Matthews@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)
Subject: David Jacobs
Date: 21 Nov 91 16:05:00 GMT
In a message to Sheldon Wernikoff <15 Nov 91 17:59> Jim Speiser wrote:
> SW> Come on people, let's get Dave back on line. It shouldn't be
> SW> THAT difficult. Perhaps he can be setup as a point?
JS> I agree, but is anyone willing to poll him Long Distance?
Hi Jim. Paul Faeder's system is in the Poconos and I'm in North Jersey --
polling around Philly should not be a big deal for either of us if we can do
it during mail hour.
What's the problem with Jacobs? Traffic on the ABDUCTION echo is so sparse he
could transfer all of his weekly packets in only 3-4 minutes of time at
2400 bps per week. Considering he's getting lots of fodder for his book --
and guaranteeing book sales among the membership here -- is that meagre polling
schedule such an unsupportable expense for him?
Anyway, let me know in general terms where he's located. Perhaps Paul or I
could help.
Best,
Clark
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From: Steve.Rose@p0.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Rose)
Subject: Re: Weird Night On Halloween
Date: 19 Nov 91 22:28:00 GMT
PN> -- OMNI magazine. What do you like best/least about it? What would
PN> you change if you could influence the editors? Would you increase the
PN> coverage of UFO-Paranormal events/reports r reduce it? Should those
PN> stories have more of an investigative (as opposed to straight
I had always thought from reading OMNI in past years...those red-paged
paranormal news clips were presented in a de-bunking light. It was as
if they presented each story...but with the idea of having someone of
authority doubt and/or dispute each claim being presented. Have they
changed this tone of para-article delivery as of late? It has been a while
since I picked up an issue.
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From: Steve.Rose@p0.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Rose)
Subject: Re: David Jacobs
Date: 21 Nov 91 19:08:00 GMT
> THAT difficult. Perhaps he can be setup as a point?
MC>
MC> Thank you for posting that update, Sheldon. As a matter of fact, we
MC> are testing a new link in the Philadelphia area even as we speak. It
MC> should be functional in very short order.
Philadelphia! That close, huh. Hmmmm....would that node happen to be a
V.32 equipped site and would he be polling ParaNet every night? :-)
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From: Andre.Eichner@f10.n245.z2.FIDONET.ORG (Andre Eichner)
Subject: ParaNet 9600 bps
Date: 11 Nov 91 21:23:00 GMT
Hello Sheldon!
In a msg of <22 Oct 91>, Sheldon Wernikoff writes to All:
SW> Are there any ParaNet nodes running
SW> @ 9600 bps v.32, v.42, v.42bis?
Yes, here in Berlin(Germany), HST-Dual Standard...
regards from the Ex-Wall City
cheers
Andre
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3 FidoNet-Berlin, the UFO information service in Berlin 3
3 FidoNet 2:245/10, GerNet 222:100/29, ParaNet 91:1021/2 3
3 +49-30-7919269 HST/V32/V42B 14.400 bps 3
3 Sysop: Andre Eichner 3
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: ParaNet 9600 bps
Date: 22 Nov 91 07:46:00 GMT
> Yes, here in Berlin(Germany), HST-Dual Standard...
Would you be interested in also picking up Fidonet's Zone 1 UFO echo? Feeds
in various high-speed types are available.
Sheldon mentioned it to me a couple of day ago (I'm moderator of that echo).
Roughly 50 or so messages daily.
jbh
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From: violet.berkeley.edu!chalmers
Subject: Sphinx, scalars
Date: 22 Nov 91 14:31:32 GMT
From: chalmers@violet.berkeley.edu (John H. Chalmers Jr.)
It may be of interest that there will be a debate on
the age of the Sphinx as part of the 'Science for
Everyone' symposium at the Feb 1992 meeting of the
American Association for the Advancement of Science
in Chicago. One of the speakers will be Robert Schoch.
I would expect Science to have something to
say on the age of the Sphinx in an upcoming issue.
It's probably not too surprising that the Sphinx may be
older than the historical dynastic Egyptian civilization, as
predynastic Egyptian cultures are known
Query: I've seen several references to scalar particles
or fields in various posts recently. What are these, the
hypothetical spin-0, mass-generating Higgs particles/fields
of GUTS, the proposed, but not well-documented, gravity-like
forces (5th and/or 6th forces) which may or may not couple
to baryon number, or what? --- John
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From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: Omni Comments
Date: 22 Nov 91 16:45:07 GMT
>I had always thought from reading OMNI in past years...those red-paged
>paranormal news clips were presented in a de-bunking light. It was as
>if they presented each story...but with the idea of having someone of
>authority doubt and/or dispute each claim being presented. Have they
>changed this tone of para-article delivery as of late? It has
Thanks for your reply. Well, you raise a good point because
I thought that the "offset" quote from a debunking skeptic did sort
of achieve what you've described but obviously a lot of other people
-- correction, some other people -- think that there's no debunking
at all but that unsupported stories are presented as fact without
any criticism. The last I knew from the editor who is in charge of
that section (by the way, it's black pages now instead of red) still
asks for "offset quotes" from reputable people who disagree with the
claims of the interviewee or story. It's not a full debunking
because it doesn't take apart the whole story, but it does offset
the claim. The reader then can take either side he feels is more
persuasive.
In fact, the question you raised is something people here
have suggested be added to OMNI -- a feature in which at least one
story would be taken apart by a skeptic, point by point.
Of course you know what the magazine's answer to your
question would be: buy OMNI and see! <g>
Thanks for adding your comments. Please feel free to ask
again if I've missed something or if you think of something else.
And, by the way, would you use the OMNI ONLINE service if they do
start one? Would cost be a factor? If they put it in an existing
service such as Compuserve or Genie, would that affect your
willingness or interest in using it?
And if you would use an ONLINE service from OMNI, what would
you want to get out of it? What would you be looking for?
==Peggy==
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From: hpvclmd.vcd.hp.com!miked
Subject: America's New Secret Aircraft
Date: 22 Nov 91 22:45:29 GMT
From: Mike Dobbs <miked@hpvclmd.vcd.hp.com>
The cover article of December's Popular Mechanics is about new secret American
aircraft. This article builds upon Aviation Week's article of about a year
ago.
'According to reports over the past two years, a vast black flying wing,
estimated at between 600 and 800 ft. in width, has passed silently over the
city streets, empty desert and rural freeways. The craft moved so slowly one
observer said that he could jog along with it. A pattern of seemingly
random white lights on the vehicle's black underside provided 'constellation
camouflage' against the starry sky. Observers detailed unlikely maneuvers
in which the vehicle stopped, rotated in place and hovered vertically....'
It is an interesting article well worth reading.
Also don't forget the National Geographic Special on crop circles this Sunday
(Nov 24) at 9pm EST/ 6pm PST on TBS. It is called 'The Mystery of the Crop
Circle'. My TV listing show it repeating on Monday night (Nov 25) at 10pm PST.
--------
Mike Dobbs / Internet: miked@vcd.hp.com
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From: Rick.Moen@f27.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Rick Moen)
Subject: Re: Crop circle researcher
Date: 19 Nov 91 07:58:20 GMT
> I do not believe that these two Men craeted the circles in the manner
> that they displayed on Television here in Australia. First of all
> there is the number of them, their quality of manufacture and there
> various locations. I feel that a great proportion of these "Crop
> Circles" are indeed a hoax, but this cannot explain all of them.
David --
Glad we're in agreement on much of this. However, I hope you didn't
miss my fundamental point: that Andrews ADMITTED that the two fellows'
technique could account for many such circles, that he and other
cereologists had dismissed A PRIORI the possibility of hoaxing with no
meaningful effort to creatively experiment to determine how they MIGHT
be hoaxed, and that they STILL don't seem to making any such effort.
The point of Bower and Chorley is NOT whether they accounted for ALL
crop circles. The point is that their claimed method is one that COULD
and probably DID fool cereologists. If two bored old geezers could so
easily hoodwink Andrews, how on Earth can one be confident that
cereologists aren't being also fooled by other hoaxers? When their
investigatory methods are so obviously vulnerable to hoaxing, how can
one put much confidence in ANY of their conclusions? Should we really
fall back on "There are unexplained cases, therefore there must be
something truly mysterious going on"? Any field like this will always
have unexplained cases, if only for lack of data, after all.
It's just that I keep getting the impression that the circle-chasers
are refusing to learn the obvious lesson from this.
Best Regards,
Rick M.
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From: Rick.Moen@f27.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Rick Moen)
Subject: "mars Effect"
Date: 19 Nov 91 08:19:53 GMT
Not sure this is literally speaking in the correct conference, so I'll
make this short: Quite a few years back, a former CSICOP director named
Dennis Rawlins published a strongly-worded article in "Fate" magazine,
taking to task CSICOP for supposedly bungling and then covering up an
investigation of Michel Gauquelin's "Mars Effect" (quasi-astrological)
claim. The article was extremely emotional, and extremely poorly
supported, but has been widely quoted ever since. Rawlins's article was
entitled "sTARBABY".
Avionics writer Philip J. Klass then wrote and submitted to "Fate" a
carefully-researched and devastating rebuttal to Rawlins, an article
that he titled "Crybaby". "Fate" categorically refused to publish it,
or to in any way air the other side of the story. Accordingly, while
many have read the original article (or any of several derivative works
that took it at face value), very few people have ever read the
rebuttal.
Well, Robert Sheaffer and I have now scanned in the article (and OCR'd
it), and have it available as a text file. I've posted it to the BITNET
SKEPTIC discussion list, and also uploaded it to File Library #10
("Paranormal Issues") in the Compuserve Issue Forum ("GO ISSUES") as
"CRYBAB.PJK". In addition, it's available as "CRYBABY.ZIP" for download
or FReq from this node, Paranet 9:1012/2, FidoNet 1:125/27,
1-415-648-8944 in San Francisco, 2400/HST/V.32/V.32bis. You'll find it
interesting.
If people are interested, I'll upload it to this echo (or P_GENERAL, as
the moderator prefers). It would constitute about 11 messages.
Best Regards,
Rick Moen
Vice-Chair, Bay Area Skeptics
Member, Electronic Communication Subcommittee, CSICOP
(but not purporting to speak for anyone but himself)
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