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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 512
Monday, December 16th 1991
Today's Topics:
Delphos, Kansas Incident
Anitgravity?
Re: UFO Magazine
Re: Douglas Bower's Exhibition
Kontacts to Semjase in the "Schweiz"
Crop Circles: a hoax?
Re: Receipt Acknowledged
Re: Crop circles
Re: The UFO Report
Re: The Ufo Report
Ufocat
Delphos, Kansas Incident
Re: Gb: Gulf Breeze Sighting. February 1991
Re: Hidden Aliens???
Re: Firsthand Account
Ufo Cults
Mutilated Cattle 1/
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From: cwns5.INS.CWRU.Edu!xx044
Subject: Delphos, Kansas Incident
Date: 11 Dec 91 22:52:36 GMT
From: xx044@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (UFOlogy SIG)
A person on the Cleveland Free-Net UFOlogy Sig has asked me about
the Delphos, Kansas incident and would like to obtain an article
on this which was in the Journal of UFO Studies, New Series, Vol.
1, 1989.
If anyone has this article or could upload it to me, it would be
appreciated. Or if you could tell me where I can write for it, that
also would be appreciated.
Dale B. Wedge, Co-SySop
Cleveland Freenet UFOlogy Sig
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From: ASTRO.dnet.ge.com!CARR
Subject: Anitgravity?
Date: 11 Dec 91 22:53:11 GMT
From: Paul Carr <CARR@ASTRO.dnet.ge.com>
+
'Taking angular momentum and turning it into linear momentum without a
reaction is just not allowed,' says Kidd - 'but that's what my machine
does.'
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I'm confused. It's very easy to turn angular momentum into linear momentum
without violating the conservation of either one. That's what a sling
does. Is Kidd claiming that his machine violates momentum conservation?
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From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: UFO Magazine
Date: 12 Dec 91 04:20:00 GMT
Hi Don,
Can't wait to see the newest issue!
Isn't this the one with the interview with Z. Sitchin, too? <O boy!>
Bestest to ya,
Linda
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From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Douglas Bower's Exhibition
Date: 12 Dec 91 04:24:00 GMT
Hi Robert,
Hurmph! That old geezer Douglas still didn't answer the question:
"How did you make such straight lines in the darK?"
Keep us posted,
Linda
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From: Andre.Eichner@f10.n245.z2.FIDONET.ORG (Andre Eichner)
Subject: Kontacts to Semjase in the "Schweiz"
Date: 1 Dec 91 19:54:00 GMT
Hello Clark!
I've got a very interesting script from a contact between a ufo-interest group
in the "Schweiz" and Semjase from the plejades in the year 1975.
I've read the book from Brad Steiger, "the fellow ship". In this book Brad
write about Fred Bell. I thing, he takes information from the scripts and some
additionals from his phantasy and makes his own reality (for busines or for his
"secret dreams" :-)
Did anybody got material from real contacts to Semjase or anyone from the
Plejades? The "schweizer" group claims, they have up to 100 Photos and a Film
from the ship's. I will check this in the next weeks...
cheers
Andre
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crashmail, because the most in this area can't read and write german...
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From: Andre.Eichner@f10.n245.z2.FIDONET.ORG (Andre Eichner)
Subject: Crop Circles: a hoax?
Date: 1 Dec 91 21:22:00 GMT
Hello Linda!
In a msg of <23 Nov 91>, Linda Bird writes to Andre Eichner:
LB> Greetings from Arizona! I would like to know what the German
LB> newspapers had to say when the news came out of England about the two
LB> elderly gentlemen who claimed to have made all those crop circles.
The title was "Kornkreis Phaenomen geloest..."
I have read, that the English gentlemen haven't make all the circles! I read
that the British government instructed the gentlemen to making the some
additional crop circles to explain later that all crop circles was made from
them.
Inexplicable things are not good for the politicians.
I think, light will be come in some secret things of UFOs and secret projects
of the goverments, in the next year!
cheers
Andre
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From: Kay.Mclaughlin@p0.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Kay Mclaughlin)
Subject: Re: Receipt Acknowledged
Date: 5 Dec 91 08:22:00 GMT
JS> Thanks for the flyer, got it today. Have you been to that museum? I
JS> think the AVRO car is also at the Smithsonian, isn't it?
JS> Jim
I admit, I've been to the base probabally 20 times, and I always intended
to go, but by the time I finished work, and it was time to head home
(a three hour tour, a three hour tour) I booked!! I could see the
vehicle out of the corner of my eye on the way out, the museum is
outdoors. I intend to inspect it close up before I move from Virginia.
(it is in the Williamsburg, Newport News, Norfolk area)
Someone I work with told me that the "driver" had to stand up in it and
that the fan was below the "driver" in the center, which led to a few
accidents. (I have no clue as to whether this is BS or not)
I have been to thr Air and Space Museam several times and have not seen
it there, but next time I go, I'll take a look see. Anyone else here in
the "Monumental City" area see a Flying saucer in the Smithsonian?
I'm sorry to have kept you in suspense for a year, I asked for your
address a long long time ago! Sheesh, I travel too muck and
procrastinate.
Regards,
Kay
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From: Kay.Mclaughlin@p0.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Kay Mclaughlin)
Subject: Re: Crop circles
Date: 5 Dec 91 08:26:00 GMT
KB> Despite the fact that South Australia is one of the world's largest
KB> crop producing areas, and that crop harvesting has commenced early
KB> here due to weather conditions, we have had nil reports of crop
KB> circles. What to make of this?
Dave and Doug's frequent Flyer miles were on PAN AM and were cancelled?
Respectfully,
Kay
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From: John.Hrusovszky@f300.n238.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hrusovszky)
Subject: Re: The UFO Report
Date: 12 Dec 91 01:43:42 GMT
JH> Does anyone have any information on when this will air? And if not on
JH> National TV, what satellite and transponder it may appear on?
JH> Thanks in advance.
JS> That's already aired in this country, it was the one-hour Fox special.
Oh, [sheepish mode on] I guess I maybe missed it.
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From: John.Hrusovszky@f300.n238.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hrusovszky)
Subject: Re: The Ufo Report
Date: 12 Dec 91 01:44:14 GMT
DE> John, the show aired October 18th, 1991 on the FOX Network. It was a
DE> co-production with Winkler and Ann Daniels Productions. It also as an
DE> had the highest share and rating in that time slot that Fox has ever
DE> received.
DE> We speak about it in the next issue of UFO Magazine.
Looking forward to it!
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From: Mark.Rodeghier@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mark Rodeghier)
Subject: Ufocat
Date: 12 Dec 91 12:08:01 GMT
Keith,
Sorry to take so long to get back to you. I'm in the middle of
collecting data for my dissertation, plus doing some workshops on
statistical software, so I haven't had a chance to logon to PARANET.
Thanks for indicating that you will be working on UFOCAT in the
coming months. I'll let Don Johnson know. He is continuing to make
progress, and recently Dave Webb has agreed to send HumCat cases to
Don for inclusion in UFOCAT.
Interested to learn of the publication of UFORA information on
diskette. We've considered such a practice here but wasn't sure the
market would support such a project, so I'm eager to learn more
about the project (and see the finished product).
Have a pleasant holiday season.
Mark
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From: Mark.Rodeghier@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mark Rodeghier)
Subject: Delphos, Kansas Incident
Date: 12 Dec 91 12:20:02 GMT
You can obtain a copy of Volume I of the Journal of UFO Studies from
the Center for UFO Studies. Contact us at 2547 W. Peterson Ave.,
Chicago, IL 60659, or give us a call on Saturdays at
(312)-631-6837.
Mark Rodeghier
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Re: Gb: Gulf Breeze Sighting. February 1991
Date: 12 Dec 91 15:26:00 GMT
* Forwarded from "Alt.Alien.Visitors"
* Originally from Robert Sheaffer
* Originally dated 12-10-91 12:04
From: sheaffer@netcom.COM (Robert Sheaffer)
Date: 10 Dec 91 07:15:01 GMT
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Message-ID: <1991Dec10.071501.14055sheaffer@netcom.COM>
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.conspiracy,sci.skeptic
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
>In article <1588@eskimo.celestial.com> nanook@eskimo.celestial.com (Robert
Dinse) writes:
>>... I have seen Venus many times. It appears to me as almost white,
>>maybe slightly yellowish very bright, larger than a star, and it has never
>>turned red, green, blinked, or come visibly closer to me...
>
>Take a look at it when it's just rising or setting. Although planets
>shine with a steady light, they can scintillate just like point sources
>if observed through a fair amount of convection.
>--
> jcj@tellabs.com
In the last few issues of Philip J. Klass' "Skeptics UFO Newsletter (SUN)",
there has been discussion of the "red light UFOs' being reported by
numerous persons in the Gulf Breeze area. In brief, it is apparent that
some hoaxer has been sending aloft road flares attached to a balloon.
The color, duration, and behavior of these red lights match exactly what
would be expected from a suspended balloon. Just recently, Dr. Bruce
Maccabee of MUFON, one of the staunchest supporters of the sightings and
photos by Ed Walters in Gulf Breeze, conceded to Klass that in several
recent instances, ground-based observers were able to see both the
flare, AND the balloon from which it is suspended.
"SUN" is available for $15/year from Philip J. Klass, 404 "N" St. S.W.,
Washington, DC 20024 USA.
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Re: Hidden Aliens???
Date: 12 Dec 91 15:28:00 GMT
* Forwarded from "Alt.Alien.Visitors"
* Originally from Dave Zecchini
* Originally dated 12-10-91 18:06
From: dzecchin@csi.compuserve.com (Dave Zecchini)
Date: 10 Dec 91 19:41:17 GMT
Organization: CompuServe Incorporated
Message-ID: <1991Dec10.194117.26405@csi.compuserve.com>
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
In article <jms.064l@vanth.UUCP> jms@vanth.UUCP (Jim Shaffer) writes:
>In article <1991Dec09.012338.29565@csi.compuserve.com>
dzecchin@csi.compuserve.com (Dave Zecchini) writes:
>>
>>I'd lay even money on there being Alien bodies at Wright Patterson Air Force
>>Base.
>>
>Even Barry Goldwater says he wasn't allowed to see certain areas! However,
>I have a captured thread from Fidonet in which someone says that if they're
>there, which he doubts, they're not in Hangar 18. (However, other sources
>refer to something called the Blue Room.) And it's possible that the
>officials got tired of all the publicity and moved them elsewhere. Jackie
>Gleason allegedly told one of his wives that there were alien bodies at
>Homestead AFB in Florida about 1972. Of course, if there was more than one
>crash there could be more than one storage location. I can't remember
>right now, did anyone ever establish where the Kecksburg object was taken?
>Wright-Patterson would've been convenient.
>
Well, as for secutiry at the Base, it's not particularly anything of note,
BUT this only counts the areas that you can SEE. I was immensely shocked
to discover that they had about 5 different runways at Wright-Patterson,
because after 18 years of living there, I had only managed to see 3 from
ANY point on the surrounding area.
I had heard long ago that the bodies weren't located in Hangar 18, but that
they and the remainder of the items recovered from Roswell were actually on
the base.
Consider these two things, First, Wright-Patterson was for a LONG time the
home of a SAC Bomber wing. Now, I don't know if any of you have been to Dayton
or have seen Wright Patterson, but I can tell you that the landscape does
NOT particularly lend itself well to supporting a large-scale operation that
this would require. At least not ABOVE GROUND.
I know it seems ludicrous, but I had heard stories from LONG ago that the
majority of the equipment and the storage facilities were all underground.
BUT, considering the lack of space they have to contain all this, I can se it.
Second, Wright-Patterson has been the U.S. Air Force's BENCHMARK location
for research projects. Every 5 years, they announce the fields that they wil
working on, be they advanced materials science, or propulsion technology.
But the military is CONSTANTLY downplaying it's significance in this regard.
I don't know for sure, but I'd say that a good deal of the money that the
government puts in there goes UNDERGROUND, and as a result, Wright-Patterson
can still come through with the breakthroughs, while keeping a very low
profile.
Well, it's worth a shot, at least...<g>
-Dave, Dave, That CompuServe Kinda Guy...
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Re: Firsthand Account
Date: 12 Dec 91 15:33:00 GMT
* Forwarded from "Alt.Alien.Visitors"
* Originally from Ryk E Spoor
* Originally dated 12-11-91 18:05
From: seawasp+@pitt.edu (Ryk E Spoor)
Date: 11 Dec 91 20:07:13 GMT
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
Message-ID: <199882@unix.cis.pitt.edu>
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Time: a long time ago; 1974, fall, I believe. About 1 in the morning.
Place: Latham, New York
Events: The power in our house failed. My brother, at the time,
was scared of the dark, so I went to his room to keep him company. I
looked out the window and saw, against a ceiling of stratus clouds, what
J.Allen Hynek would call a Nocturnal Light. It was a bright white color,
the same as your average airplane headlight, BUT its spectral ratio was
different. I know this because I wear glasses and had taken to looking at
light sources through the edge of the glass; this caused a spectrum to
spray out from the source. This light's blue span was about twice as large
as that for an airplane light.
The light was, I would estimate, 2.5-3 miles away, and was describing
a perfect circle of about 1/2 degree in size (the size of the full moon),
completing one orbit in about 2 seconds. It remained at 15 degrees or so above
the horizon. My brother saw it as well. We watched it for some considerable
time, perhaps 20 minutes. I went to get a glass of water and, on the way back,
looked out the hall window at it. I was in time to see the object cease its
orbiting and take off across the sky at a tremendous rate, covering perhaps
60-90 degrees in a second.
Within a few seconds of this, the power in our house came back on.
I make no claims as to whether there was actually any association between
the object and the power failure, but simply note it as another occurrence.
Sea Wasp
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Ufo Cults
Date: 12 Dec 91 15:41:00 GMT
* Forwarded from "Fido UFO Echo"
* Originally from Patrick Briggs
* Originally dated 12-09-91 12:09
After working with a little research project at the local libraries
archieves, I was interested to find a couple of articles in which a UFO
cult group seemed to be going nuts about October of 1975. I was
originally intending on locating some news on the Travis Walton case for
November of 1975 but I couldn't locate that particular case in the
newspaper microfilm. However, I did located these articles and right
smack in the middle of it was an editorial cartoon depicting a whole
crowd of people waiting to be picked up by a UFO. Sounds like a nasty
case of wishful thinking back in 1975.
HEADLINE: Kidnaped after UFO cult show, radio man says
San Jose (AP) - Radio personality Victor Boc says his kidnaping
following a talk show about UFO cult was neither a hoax nor a publicity
stunt.
"I had absolutely nothing to do with it. I consider myself to
have been threatened," declared Boc at a news conference
Wednesday.
Boc was uninjured in the incident Sunday, when two men subdued him in
the building where KOME is located. He escaped from his abductors
several hours later by baricading himself in a gas station restroom.
His abductors fled during the commotion.
Police, who say they believe Boc's story, have made no arrests.
Boc's three-hour show Sunday featured a taped interview with "The Two" -
leaders of a cult calling itself Human Individual Metamorphosis (HIM).
The Two, who claimed to be thousands of years old and come from a higher
order, reportedly promise converts that they will be transported by a
spaceship to that higher order. Some people reportedly have given up
their entire family and posessions to join HIM.
Boc, said the men subdued him by placing a cloth, dapped in a chemical,
over his nose and mouth. He fell unconscious.
When he regained consciousness about three hours later, Boc said he was
in an auto en route to San Francisco with his abductors.
The men showed Boc a letter they intended to send to KOME, saying, "When
you next see Victor Boc, he will be a follower or our causes, and he
will not be the only one."
The note said more newsmen would be taken hostage, given proof that UFOs
exist, and then released, said Boc.
"We are an organisation with access to UFOs," Boc remembered the note as
saying. "We have fist-hand knowlege that UFOs are real. The Two are
who they say they are, and alien beings are here for out benefit."
The note was signed by "Worthy individuals Leaving Earth," Boc said.
He also said the note listed three demands for KOME, if the station
"wanted to see Boc again."
It told the station to take a "favorable stand" toward UFOs and give
wide publicity to a meeting scheduled in Oakland for The Two. The
station was supposed to arrange a similar public meeting for The Two in
San Jose.
Boc said he remained silent about his experience until Wednesday at the
request of the police.
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Mutilated Cattle 1/
Date: 12 Dec 91 15:41:00 GMT
* Forwarded from "Fido UFO Echo"
* Originally from Patrick Briggs
* Originally dated 12-09-91 12:09
Here is an article I found in the local newspaper dated Wednesday Oct
15, 1975 which ads some interesting info in regards to Cattle
Mutilations. However, these mutilated cattle in the article do not have
the characteristics in most of those cases. These cattle were clearly
beaten as you shall find out. Also mysterious is the disappearance of
the campers without a trace.
Headline: Police say mutilated cattle found about time of UFO group in
vicinity.
Fox Lake, Ill (AP) -
Police say two cows were found slaughtered and mutilated about the same
time as a mysterious, 50-plus member of a "UFO" people apparently camped
nearby.
Lake Villa police said the animals' remains were left on a farm about 10
miles from here, where the band is believed to have stayed October 2 to
October 7.
One cow was found dead October 1st and the second was killed four days
later, police said.
Persons who left homes in Oregon, Colorado, and California to await
transportation from the Earth make up most of the group's membership.
Officials say scores of cattle mutilations have taken place in those
states.
Lake Villa Police Chief Al Copenharver said persons who killed the first
cow, a Black Angus beifer, left only its head behind. The rest of the
carcases seemed to have been butchered by persons wanting meat,
Copenhaver said.
He said the second cow, a Holstein Beifer, looked as if it had been
beaten to death. The animal's left ear had been severed and was not
found, he said.
In some of the mutilations in Western States, lips had been removed from
the cattle and their carcasses drained of all the blood.
The UFO cult is believed to have camped five days in the Chain O' Lakes
State Park 45 miles northwest of Chicago, rangers said Tuesday.
"A group of about 50 persons took out camping permits on Oct. 2 and
suddenly disappeared Oct. 7" said Mick Egan, chief park ranger at Chain
O' Lakes.
"It was about that time that the story broke about some 20 persons
disappearing in Oregon to await time to leave Earth on a spaceship," he
said.
Egan said a man used the name "J. Seagle, Cherry Creed, California." in
signing a camping permit on Oct 2. The man said other would follow.
"They came in vans and cars bearing license plates from Texas,
California, Washington, Colorado and Oregon," said Egan. "We thought it
was very unusual, because travelers from those areas just don't show up
here at this time of year at all. They wanted the cheapest camping
spots and seemed strapped for money. They were evasive and kept to
themselves. My patrolmen said some of them used Biblical names."
Charlene Petrovic and her husband of Waukegan were camping at the park
when the group was there.
"They didn't look or act like campers at all," said Mrs. Petrovic.
"They kept to themselves, sitting around together and doing nothing. On
October 6 when the story was out about people vanishing in Oregon, the
group got very excited. They milled around the ranger office and I
heard a boy say: "I knew I made a mistake when I wrote my mother from
Colorado to tell her I joined the group. The next day they were all
gone - not a trace. It was if they simply were sucked off the Earth.
All there junk was still at the campsites."
A license check by the Oregonian with Oregon and California motor
vehicle divisions in Oregon and California indicates the cars at the
Illinois camp were driven by people with assumed names, or by drivers
other than their owners.
- A 1967 Rambler driven by a man giving the name "A Smith" is really
registered to Rodney H. Adams, Newport Oregon.
- A 1969 Pontiac operated by a man using the name "J. Simon" is
registered to John M. and M. Craig, Bandon, Oregon.
- A 1970 Volkswagen driven by a man using the name "D. Abel" is
registered to John and Helen Wilson, Bandon, Oregon.
- A 1952 International allegedly belonging to "M. Daniels" is registered
to Suzanne Cooke, Point Reyes, California.
- A 1964 Ford driven by "J. Stell" is registered to Paul Charles Groll,
Milpitas, California.
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