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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 511
Saturday, December 14th 1991
Today's Topics:
Re: Sphinx debated
300,000 yrs ago, humans in Americas
Belgian UFO
The 'Big Picture'
Receipt Acknowledged
Re: ANTIGRAVITY REPORT
Re: SPHINX DEBATED
Re: The UFO Report
Fido/Para net boards in the UK
Vegas Update
The UFO Report
Crop circles
Bill Cooper
Re: The Ufo Report
Bill Cooper
Richard Price tape
Re: Mysteri ses Flugobject rast auf die Erde zu...
Douglas Bower's Exhibition
Re: SPHINX DEBATED
UFO Magazine
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From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Sphinx debated
Date: 6 Dec 91 05:09:00 GMT
Hi David,
I greatly enjoyed the articles on the Sphinx, and hope you will post
your findings. In the latest issue of UFO Newsclipping Service, there
were 2 articles on the professors and the Sphinx. Fascinating!
Best,
Linda
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From: Clark.Matthews@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)
Subject: 300,000 yrs ago, humans in Americas
Date: 7 Dec 91 06:34:00 GMT
In a message to All <03 Dec 91 18:58> wam.umd.edu!infinity wrote:
nc> From: David Elmore Coleman <infinity@wam.umd.edu>
nc> In July or August 1989 a French anthropological or archaeological journal
nc> published or reviewed a study by a Brazilian archaeologist/anthropologist
nc> concerning remains in northern Brazil dated by thermoluminescence to
nc> be 300,000 years old. This came on the heels of a discovery in the Mojave
nc> Desert, which was at the time quite controversial, concerning 270,000 year
nc> old evidence of human habitation. I have been unable to find the journal,
Hi David -- I hope you'll be able to keep us aprised on this topic. So many
archaeological OOPARTS (Out-of-place Artifacts) are so tempting to speculate
about. Cyclopean stones off Andros Island, ancient, weathered tunnels thru
Utah, etc. These things have given Charles Berlitz endless fodder -- and
they're genuinely confusing and challenging. So I think you and the
Brazilians are probably on to something, but it's almost impossible to imagine
what.
Anyhow, I hope you can keep us posted.
nc> and found an abstract on the technique of thermoluminescent dating, by
nc> Dr. Elisabeth Mateus and a host of others, all at the University of
nc> Sao Paulo. The name Dr. Elisabeth Mateus rang a bell and I remembered
Could you tell us what theroluinescent dating is -- how it's done -- what the
accuracy is -- how controversial is it??
nc> the book. But, I can get zip information (or whatever it is in Brazil) for
nc> the Sao Paulo, Brazil address, hopefully from the U of Maryland library.
Or the Brazilian consulate in D.C. or N.Y could certainly provide it -- perhaps
thru a cultural attache?
nc> What is interesting is that California and northern Brazil are
nc> some of the few parts of Lemuria and Atlantis (reputedly) which exist
nc> above water today. The Peruvian Andes and coastal Carolinas are the only
nc> other New World parts, so it is interesting that so far, assuming thee
nc> finds are legitimate, all two finds predating the Asian-American Bering
nc> Strait migrations are at former portions of alleged lost continents.
nc> Hmmm...
Hmmm, indeed. Actually, some of the most interesting stuff is underwater on
the U.S. Costal Shelf, around Bermuda and the Caribbean islands, and in the
Gulf of Mexico. I seem to recall the discovery of a well-preserved stone
staircase leading down to a beach on the Yucatan.
But the beach is now 150' underwater, the stairs begin almost 100' underwater,
and they clearly correspond to sea levels of B.C. 20,000.
There's a similar anomaly just below Mancu Picu in the Andes: a stairway leads
down to the beach. The beach is at about 11,000 feet elevation, and seems to
have been there before the Mountains rose to their present height! In fact the
whole city of Mancu Picu has been "undatable" according to some sources,
because it was virtually earthquake-proof (until the Conquistadores removed
the flexible silver braces from the buildings).
Best,
Clark
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From: Clark.Matthews@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Belgian UFO
Date: 7 Dec 91 06:52:00 GMT
In a message to Michael Corbin <30 Nov 91 11:23> Kay Mclaughlin wrote:
> MC> CNRS scientist Petit, well-known for the fact that his scientific
> MC> inspiration is due to aliens (coming from planet UMMO, 15 light
> MC> years from us, as you should know). Coincidentally, Dr Petit and
> MC> others are publishing at the same time books on the UMMITs.
KM> UMMO? I did read that correctly, did I not? It says UMMO, right.
KM> Am I in a time warp, or what? I HAD NO IDEA that this group was sill
KM> around. I remember reading about this in the 70's.
KM> OK, I dug through my library, there is a chapter about them in "The
KM> Invisible College" by Jacques Vallee (1976, EP Dutton).
KM> Can anyone bring us up to date on their activities?
I second that! Does Dr. Petit accept the UMMO hypothesis?!?
The UMMO thing has all the elements of a very elaborate long-term hoax, but
*some* stories associated with it defy explanation: there was an MIB-like
incident in Spain, I believe, in the late 50s -- that referred to a
long-forgotten Jack-the-Ripper-like crime in the same house many years before
the MIB visit. It's weird, weird stuff.
But I'd be surprised if Petit buys UMMO hook, line, sinker, and anonymous
mail...
Best,
Clark
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From: Clark.Matthews@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)
Subject: The 'Big Picture'
Date: 7 Dec 91 20:23:00 GMT
David -- your Big Picture post is very thoughtful indeed.
I agree with you -- or the way your thinking is evolving, anyway. Mine is
following similar paths. I haven't felt the need to use a channel yet, though,
and honestly doubt the relevance of channeled information. I think we're
making great strides in theory on our own, don't you?
Be that as it may, the M-field and the holographic paradigm could explain
plenty. Behaviours, for instance. If our brains work holographically, and can
also serve as receptors, perhaps much of a species' behaviour and tendencies
exist independently, outside of the species. In the M-field. The field could
be constantly evolving, incorporating behaviours in a species as those
behaviours become predominant. The Hundredth Monkey observations seem to point
directly to this, and they infer some pretty Reichian stuff like a Collective
Unconscious and "shared memory".
I'd like to digest your post some more and comment further as time allows. But
one thought I've been playing with is that UFOs -- or UFO beings, at least --
could have access to the M-field. Perhaps they *come* from it, or at least
need it, or rely upon it in some way.
Therefore, their agenda could be *shaping and re-shaping* behaviours,
perceptions, or beliefs. Jacques Vallee has commented on this quite a bit, but
has not tied it in to a motive for the UFOnauts weird behaviour and frequent
appearances. The M-field -- the total sum of human beliefs and actions --
could offer such a motive.
Thanks for the interesting observations!
Best,
Clark
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From: John.Powell@p5.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Powell)
Subject: Receipt Acknowledged
Date: 4 Dec 91 08:49:25 GMT
In a message to Kay McLaughlin <29 Nov 91 18:52> Jim Speiser wrote:
JS> Thanks for the flyer, got it today. Have you been to that museum?
JS> I think the AVRO car is also at the Smithsonian, isn't it?
I've been there and haven't seen it. If someone knows where it is I'd really
like to see it... (I'll send free photos to the 1st correct respondee...)
Thanks, take care.
John.
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From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: ANTIGRAVITY REPORT
Date: 6 Dec 91 19:22:50 GMT
I'd like to see some facts about this device in the future. So far it's a
large publicity release. Anyone have some details on whether this device has
ever lifted itself or anything, or is it a theoretical machine which lends
itself to development when materials catch up with the technology?
Just like the airplane was dependent on a light enough internal combustion
engine that could power it. Gliders already existed, wings were known, the
engine was the key to completion.
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From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: SPHINX DEBATED
Date: 6 Dec 91 19:55:41 GMT
Just for the record Schoch is a Geologist. West is (as he says it) Author,
Travel Guide and self-proclaimed "rogue Egyptologist".
Most amusing is that he looks like me! If you see his picture in the Oct
10th USA today article, it's uncanny.
I'm still getting the paper from Orkney. Reports of Northern Lights, they
called them "Merry Dancers". I have seen some other allusions to fearies and
some unusual unknown terms, like the Merry Dancers. Fun to track the meaning
down. If I do move there in 1993, I will continue with Paranet.
Excavation on the Viking boat burial, on Sanday, will have begun by this
reading. It's described as the find of the century. Inlike some of the
unusual finds in the US, Scotland sent a team of six to immediatly dig and
preserve the materials found. The actual location is being kept secret until
after the research is done, just in case.
I wonder if anyone is doing anything with the claims for the Ogden Object?
Keeping it a secret and doing nothing, is fruitless. And how did they get a
part of it into an electron microscope if it can't be cut? (hmmmmm) The worst
solution to this would be no more information, and have it remain a vague
enigma eternally. Unsubstiantated claims really cork me off.
Thanks for the two articles, I read them on the plane on the way to Vegas
last week. Mike L went to the same high school with me. In fact we played in
a band together for two or three years. He's extremely intellegent, was
politically active (and I'm still not), creative person.
I graduated a year before him and that year he hooked up with some other
guys who practiced some magic. (or is that Majic?) They put a spell on a cop
that was bugging them, if that's the right term, and he had an auto accident
a couple of days later. Maybe co-incidence? Meanwhile I was in college in
Iowa, far from anything bigger than a snowdrift.
There's more, but best kept in netmail if you are interested. Mike was a
good guy and close friend for three years. That was in 1966 so who knows what
the years can do to change a person. His article alludes to Cooperish
information. I need to re-read it. The comment about the bombs being
developed for use in soil like we have in the South-West was distorted to say
it wasn't meant for Russia. First thing that came to my pea sized brain was,
What about the Gulf War? I think he is aiming towards mystery and weirdness,
and avoiding some straight forward answers.
Now if you really want to feel sorry for me, just watch the weather reports
for this area, I'm and outdoor person, 12 inches of snow is just no fun after
70 degrees in California last week. 8*)
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From: John.Hrusovszky@f300.n238.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hrusovszky)
Subject: Re: The UFO Report
Date: 7 Dec 91 01:26:45 GMT
KB> "Henry Winkler is convinced there are other beings inm outer space-and not
KB> afraid to say so. There's a good reason for the former Fonz's sudden
KB> outspokeness. He's just served as co-executive producer of The UFO Rep
KB> which will air on US TV. And he reckons the program will prove his point. "W
KB> reports from people all over the world," he says."
Does anyone have any information on when this will air? And if not on
National TV, what satellite and transponder it may appear on?
Thanks in advance.
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Fido/Para net boards in the UK
Date: 7 Dec 91 07:41:01 GMT
> We would hope to come to some arrangement with Paranet (and possibly
> other boards) where we would become a local echo.
Sounds *very* good.
I can make the Fidonet Zone 1 UFO echo available, if they're interested.
jbh
Fidonet UFO Moderator
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From: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Vegas Update
Date: 8 Dec 91 07:11:32 GMT
In a message to All <06 Dec 91 12:40> wrs.com!davidj wrote:
nc> I apologize for the
nc> mis/dis-information, it was unintentional. Ah, but
nc> the intrigue ... :-)
S'OK, David, we've been through it before....
Many, many, many times before...
Jim
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From: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: The UFO Report
Date: 8 Dec 91 18:42:06 GMT
In a message to Keith Basterfield <06 Dec 91 18:26> John Hrusovszky wrote:
>KB> "Henry Winkler is convinced there are other beings inm outer space-and
>KB> not
>KB> afraid to say so. There's a good reason for the former Fonz's sudden
>KB> outspokeness. He's just served as co-executive producer of The UFO Rep
>KB> which
>KB> will air on US TV. And he reckons the program will prove his point. "W
>KB> reports from people all over the world," he says."
JH>
JH> Does anyone have any information on when this will air? And if not on
JH> National TV, what satellite and transponder it may appear on?
JH> Thanks in advance.
John:
That's already aired in this country, it was the one-hour Fox special.
Jim
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From: Clark.Matthews@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Crop circles
Date: 8 Dec 91 09:20:00 GMT
In a message to Sheldon Wernikoff <28 Nov 91 20:08> Keith Basterfield wrote:
KB> Despite the fact that South Australia is one of the world's
KB> largest crop producing areas, and that crop harvesting has
KB> commenced early here due to weather conditions, we have had nil
KB> reports of crop circles. What to make of this?
Why, Doug & Dave are in the UK now! Fly them back there and I'm sure they'll
crank out a few dozen for you some weekend! :-)
Maybe the folks at Pine Gap will indulge in a little cross-training, so they
can produce a few more retired spooks who've mastered the "lightning trample"
method (a/k/a St. Vitus Dance). As conscientious public servants, I'm sure
the Pine Gap crowd would like to oblige.
Best,
Clark
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From: Clark.Matthews@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Bill Cooper
Date: 8 Dec 91 09:27:00 GMT
In a message to Jim Speiser <27 Nov 91 14:26> Kay Mclaughlin wrote:
>JS> I thought I'd never mention this name again, but I thought y'all
> JS> might be interested to know...
KM> Never say Never
And Why ask Why? :-)
> JS> Bill Cooper was just on a radio show here in Phoenix, talking on the
> JS> topic of the Kennedy Assassination. Yes, he's still touting the "Greer
> JS> Shot Kennedy" theory. Even more interestingly, though, he is now
....
KM> Perhaps Kennedy is a better money maker, believed by more folks willing
KM> to part with $$$$. With the "alien bit", it's more work trying to
KM> convince folks.
I'll say one thing for ol' Coop: When he isn't chewing on the furniture or
icepicking his critic's tires, he has a good eye for a movie tie-in.
KM> Oh no, maybe he's been cloned?
No, he always had an evil twin, Hooper. U heard it here first. :-)
Best,
Clark
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From: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker)
Subject: Re: The Ufo Report
Date: 9 Dec 91 05:34:00 GMT
John Hrusovszky asked;
> Does anyone have any information on when this will air? And if not on
> National TV, what satellite and transponder it may appear on?
> Thanks in advance.
John, the show aired October 18th, 1991 on the FOX Network. It was a
co-production with Winkler and Ann Daniels Productions. It also as an aside,
had the highest share and rating in that time slot that Fox has ever received.
We speak about it in the next issue of UFO Magazine.
Don
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From: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker)
Subject: Bill Cooper
Date: 9 Dec 91 05:36:00 GMT
Clark Matthews said:
> I'll say one thing for ol' Coop: When he isn't chewing on the furniture
> or icepicking his critic's tires, he has a good eye for a movie tie-in.
>
> KM> Oh no, maybe he's been cloned?
>
> No, he always had an evil twin, Hooper. U heard it here first. :-)
Damn ---------- now that explains a lot. I had heard that the evil twin was
named ** POOPER **, but I will defer to your apparently superior source!!
<GRINS AND CHUCKLESS>
Don
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From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: Richard Price tape
Date: 9 Dec 91 15:07:01 GMT
Hello Keith S.,
On 10-31-91 I had a message from you via ParaNet UFO Echo in
which you requested a copy of the audiotape I'd made of the KOA
radio interview of Richard Price (the abductee who claims to have a
now-removed implant which is being studied by MIT scientists.) I
believe I answered that I would send that tape if you'd send the
address. Now I see that I've also had another message of nearly
identical content from Keith Basterfield, also of Australia, and
also Origin Lined: UFO Research Australia, but hwere yours says
UFORA Associate VIC, his says Research Officer. His netmail address
is 9:1040/12 while yours is listed as 9:1040/15.
I have received a mailing address from K.B. and have just
mailed a copy of that tape off to him. I'm sorry to say that the
similarities --same first names and same country of origin --
apparently confused me and I thought I'd answered your request as
well, thinking you were the same person. Now I realize I was wrong
and I apologize. I will be happy to send the tape as you requested
if you'll send me the address. (The one for K.B. was in Modbury
north.)
Please accept my sincere apologies for this inattentive
error. I didn't mean to neglect your request and am truly sorry for
this delay.
==Peggy==
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From: Sir.Wildfire@p0.f1.n606.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sir Wildfire)
Subject: Re: Mysteri ses Flugobject rast auf die Erde zu...
Date: 2 Dec 91 17:22:04 GMT
Andre,
As far as the German to English translation goes, It says
Mysterious Flying Object rests(hovers) on the Erde(A river in Germany.)
Charles Centers
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From: doc.imperial.ac.uk!aixssc.ibm.co.uk!rob
Subject: Douglas Bower's Exhibition
Date: 10 Dec 91 08:40:14 GMT
From: Robert Trevelyan <rob@aixssc.ibm.co.uk>
I found this gem in my local paper 'The Basingstoke Gazette'. It
included a photo of Douglas Bower with his hoaxing contraption.
I have copied it word for word, it reads :
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Page 30 The Gazeete - Friday December 6, 1991
'A show of Corn for a Landscape Artist who Fooled the World'
'IT'S A FULL CIRCLE FOR THE HOAXER'S ART!'
'The man who confessed to fooling millions of people with
hundreds of corn circles is making his mark in Hartley Witney.
But its not another hoax. This time Douglas Bower is exhibiting
his paintings of the circles and the tools he said he used to make
them.
Douglas, 67, and his friend David Chorley announced this year that
they had created over the past 13 years the circles which have mystified
top scientists and the military.
Until now he hadn't dared show the circle pictures in case the link
was made with him.
Douglas started the hoax in an attempt to fool the UFO societies.
It was 'just a laugh', he said.
A contraption made with a stick and rein were used to create the
circles, he said.
Sceptics have queried how the straight lines were made in darkness.
Douglas said: ' You look through the loop on the hat, train your
eye on a fixed point, walk towards it and you get the straightest
line you could ever wish for.'
He believes that all the circles that have been found worldwide are
man-made.
Douglas is well known for his watercolours of Hampshire landscapes.
The exhibition at Century Galleries, High Street, Hartley Witney,
runs until next Thursday.'
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From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: SPHINX DEBATED
Date: 10 Dec 91 03:37:00 GMT
Hi Pete,
I saw pictures of those Egyptologists in the Nov. UFO Newsclipping
Service. I can't locate that magazine now, so can't tell what "you"
look like. Were "you" the dusty, bearded one??
Interesting comments on Mike L. I sure am not the same person I was in
H.S., altho basic values have stayed the same.
Our temp is in 70's and is partly cloudy & humid. It's the humidity
(at 60% today) that I can't stand!
Tell me anything you want on netmail....
TTYL,
Linda
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From: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker)
Subject: UFO Magazine
Date: 10 Dec 91 06:20:00 GMT
*UFO Magazine* Volume 7 No. 1, has now hit the print shop.
I know I have said it before, but allow me once more to state that this issue
is very big. *UFO has 3 very important scoops in this issue.
First, UFO is running the Phobos shot with my story on how it came to be.
I know may of you heard about it, now here is your chance to see it.
Second, the final installment of the Lee Graham story airs this issue. What
makes it important you ask? Well, *UFO received from Graham a document that
has never seen the "public" light of day. I know you have all heard of the
Aquarius document, and 2 or 3 pages of it have been public for a while. Well,
*UFO received the "ENTIRE" 9 pages of the Aquarius document that Bill Moore
was given reportedly by a Govt. agent connected with Falcon, and he has had
it since the early 80's. Graham has filed FOIA's on it with NO response from
the government in months. We are turning up the heat.
Third. *UFO received a startling admission from a very controversial UFO
figure while investigating the Graham story. *UFO is running with it. This
feeds right back into the intelligence establishment.
And of course, so much more.............
Call us!
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