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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 496
Friday, November 1st 1991
Today's Topics:
Translators...
Ogden Gifs
TV Show...
"Angel"
Dr. Levengood
Crop Circles
Jupiter as Second Sun
Spon. Human Combustion
Tv Show...
Re: Pysch hypotheses
Re: ANGEL
Re: WEIRD NIGHT ON HALLOWEEN
Re: OGDEN GIFS
Dr. Fredrick Bell
Dr. Fredrick Bell
Ball Lightning
Possible FTL signals
Paranet 9600 Bps
Fragments of information
Jupiter as Second Sun
Translators...
Re:Heard on the Street
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From: wc.novell.com!markb
Subject: Translators...
Date: 30 Oct 91 01:59:19 GMT
From: markb@wc.novell.com (Mark Burnham)
Hello Folks,
I've been on the ParaNet list for a few months and have really enjoyed reading
everyone's postings. I've been quite passive about posting myself basically
because I just don't know too much about this stuff!
Anyway, I read Jim's post about a Belgian book coming out and a sort of
'call for translators'. My French is OK (used to be better!) and I
wouldn't mind translating some of it for CUFOS. It sounds like really
interesting stuff!
Just let me know who I should contact, and I'll see what I can do.
Thanks!
-Mark Burnham
Software Engineer, Novel Inc.
(510) 975-4511- work
(510) 261-2023- home
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From: ParaNetAlpha.Sysop.@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (sm)
Subject: Ogden Gifs
Date: 30 Oct 91 03:51:00 GMT
I have the Ogden gifs here for D\loading if anyone wants them.. They are the
ones that I here Peggy Noonan and Linda Bird talking on alot lately.. Not the
best but they will show something..
Mike Keithly
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From: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: TV Show...
Date: 29 Oct 91 15:13:24 GMT
In a message to All <27 Oct 91 23:14> Jim Dritsas wrote:
JD> So what do you all think? How about your opinions about Robert
JD> Lazar? I have read a few text files with his interview on
JD> KLAS-TV in Las Vegas with George Knapp, and I must admit, I
JD> really beleive this guy is telling the truth. He looks like a
JD> sincere, and honest (not to mention intelligent) person. I
JD> really fail to see how a person like this can be making up a pile
JD> of lies on the subject.
JD>
Jim:
Please suspend your belief in Mr. Lazar until you've looked at some of the
facts..
FACT: Lazar's claims about Element 115, which he says S-4 scientists isolated
from materials aboard the saucers, do not stand up to even the most rudimentary
inspection.
FACT: Lazar's memory of the details of 115 are so spotty as to be nearly
impossible from a physicist. The first thing a physicist would do is memorize
the Atomic weight of any newly-discovered element.
FACT: Lazar claims to have secreted some 115 in his home, yet it has
mysteriously disappeared. (If you had some of the most valuable material on
Earth, would you hide it in your home? Or would you immediately take out a
safety deposit box?)
FACT: Lazar claims to have walked up to Edward Teller, the greatest living
nuclear physicist, and simply been handed a job. Not possible.
FACT: Lazar's background does indeed seem a mystery. No school or institution
has ever heard of him.
FACT: Lazar provided a W-2 form listing as an employer a non-existent branch
of the government, with a non-existent employer ID #.
FACT: Lazar does indeed appear in the Los Alamos phone directory.
FACT: Lazar is known to have been associated with John Lear prior to his
coming forward. Lear is a former CIA employee who is known to have spread
questionable information for what seem to be disruptive purposes.
FACT: Instead of being a wild-eyed, rabid mega-mouth or a self-proclaimed UFO
guru, Lazar is in fact a highly credible-sounding gentleman, almost a
boy-next-door type whom anyone would believe in a flash.
I am not by any means telling you to ignore Mr. Lazar. On the contrary, pay
extra close attention to him. In him I believe you will see the most blatant
evidence for the UFO cover-up. Skeptics always ask, how could the government
possibly keep such a thing secret? The answer is that they don't. They realize
they can't, so they "hide it in plain sight." Mr. Lazar is, I believe, a false
flag, someone who is purposely planted (whether knowingly or not, I don't know)
to gain the confidence of ufologists, and who then can be shot down by skeptics
who can point to his criminal record (a most convenient contrivance - only the
2nd man in Clark County history to be convicted of pandering), his easily
falsified claims, and his lack of provenance. The result is that if someone
else were to come forward for real, say, from Tejon Ranch or possibly
Kwadjelein, no one is going to believe them. "Oh sure, just like that Lazar
guy, right?"
In short, they've got you watching the birdie. Keep your eye on the cat.
Jim
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From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff)
Subject: "Angel"
Date: 30 Oct 91 04:52:00 GMT
Hi Keith,
I haven't had any luck so far with the source of your "angel of revelation"
reference. I have posted a response below from Alan Seeger, who is
extremely well versed in both the old and new testament, and can find
nothing that matches your associate's recollection. I'll let you know if
I come up with anything further.
Sheldon
From: ALAN SEEGER *BIBLE ECHO*
To: SHELDON WERNIKOFF
Subj: RE: BIBLICAL REFERENCE - ANGEL OF REVELATION
Regarding the "angel of revelation" touching the elected three times on
the forehead (sorry, no quote facilities available here)
I do not recall any such passage. Checking my Bible concordance program
(WordSearch 2.1 NIV) I find no match on a request for "angel," and
"three," that comes close to this at all. Sorry.
-=Alan=-
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From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff)
Subject: Dr. Levengood
Date: 30 Oct 91 04:53:00 GMT
To: 76206.1741@CompuServe.COM (Cassandra)
Cassandra,
You can reach Dr. Levengood in Michigan at 517-522-4765
Please advise him that Sheldon Wernikoff and Michael Chorost
suggested you contact him with your request for crop circle
material.
Please keep me informed as to your results.
Thanks,
Sheldon
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From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@f201.n350.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff)
Subject: Crop Circles
Date: 28 Oct 91 12:24:00 GMT
Hello John,
I think we'll be seeing a great deal of significant new
discoveries and innovative research re: the circles effect. In the
past few days, I've been contacted by a molecular biologist from
the University of Illinois whose expertise is in the area of DNA,
protein, and nucleic acid manipulation. He would like to obtain
samples of lyophylized CC plant material for analysis.
Additionally, a cereal chemist whose specialization lies in the
field of electron microscopy, also net-mailed me for samples of the
"malformed" seeds Dr. Levengood described. I will do all I can to
assist these individuals in acquiring material for their work.
It is encouraging to note that these professionals are coming
forward despite all the talk of "hoax", and the potential of
ridicule by their peers. Obviously, they feel confident enough in
their convictions that there is "something" to the phenomenon, and
are willing to take that risk. I maintain my view that they shall
be proven to be correct in their beliefs. I don't mean to infer
that we're necessarily dealing with UFO's or a "superior
intelligence", but I don't think it's the Energizer bunny either,
to borrow a hypothesis from Rick Moen.
One beneficial effect that has occurred since Bower and Chorley
came on the scene, is that only the "true scientists", and "true
believers" seem to remain. The diminished publicity level should
actually have a propitious effect on those specialists conducting
legitimate exploration. Thanks Doug and Dave!
One writer on another echo queried if anyone has done any Kirlian
photography studies on CC plants. Not to my knowledge, but I am
examining the possibility. This technique certainly could yield
some intriguing results, and possibly provide us with another means
of ascertaining authentic formations.
I will continue to do my best to keep you informed on the latest
developments, and appreciate the opportunity to facilitate the
understanding of a most complex and elusive curiosity.
Thanks,
Sheldon
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From: Vladimir.Godic@f7.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Vladimir Godic)
Subject: Jupiter as Second Sun
Date: 28 Oct 91 06:15:00 GMT
>
> Aha! I just remembering reading in a "National Geographic"
> some years ago in a special issue called "The Planets" that
> "Jupiter could have been a second sun, but that its nuclear
> fires were never ignited." If it had, I guess we'd be a binary
> solar system. I'll see if I can find that magazine.
Hi linda,
Thanks for that info. I'd love to see that article.
Regards,
Vlad
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From: Vladimir.Godic@f7.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Vladimir Godic)
Subject: Spon. Human Combustion
Date: 29 Oct 91 08:01:00 GMT
> Amazingly, there are still many physicists who insist that ball
> lightning can not exist, despite many eye-witness reports, and a
> few photographs.
Sheldon,
It is really amazing that there are still many physicist who insist
that ball lightning cannot exists.
I remember when, many years ago, a guy phoned me (people report all
sorts of strange phenomena to a UFO organization) and reported seeing
a green ball, about three feet in diamater, forming at the base of an
electricity pole in front of a house (on the opposite side of his
street) while he was actually watching it. He phoned me a few seconds
after the ball appeared and he kept looking through his lounge window
and reporting what was happening. The ball was an acquamarine green
color and transparent because, he said, he could see the electricity
pole and house behind it. The ball was stationary and eventually
disappeared after 30 seconds.
If my memory serves me right, there was a short thunderstorm during
or before this incident.
Vlad
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From: Jim.Dritsas@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Dritsas)
Subject: Tv Show...
Date: 31 Oct 91 07:12:00 GMT
Regarding your reply to me about Robert Lazar, I must admit you
brought up some good points. Although, I am basically assuming that
he must have worked at this secret base he claims, thats all. The
fact no one knows about him, and that he 'officially' does not exist
could be due to the fact that people in power who don't want him
talking simply 'erased' him from computer recordsa here and there.
Not a hard thing to do you know.
Anyways, I don't know what to beleive in these days, you know. We
have to beleive something. Of course if you find flaws in Mr. Lazars
credibility, you might as well admit, you can find flaws in EVERY
PERSON who claims to know any SENSITIVE data regarding this topic.
What do you think about William Moore, or John Lear's stories? They
are quite astonishing. But I guess if you really try, you can also
say the same stuff about them too - they could be working for the
government spreading disimformation. Who knows, who knows what the
TRUTH REALLY IS...
Jim D.
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From: Linda.Bird@p0.f8.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Pysch hypotheses
Date: 26 Oct 91 03:25:09 GMT
Hi Keith,
Thank you for your message and keep plugging away at your research. You
are right -"loads of research needed!"
Sorry to have dropped off line for 4 days. Classes started again on
Tues/Thurs evenings, and my visitor from Germany was winding down his stay here
so I couldn't just run off and disappear (in the computer room).
Will keep in touch,
Linda
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From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: ANGEL
Date: 28 Oct 91 18:23:49 GMT
Well I checked Forehead, Revelation, and Elected. Nothing matches at all, or
even a stretched match. Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible.
I started on Three but found it was pages long. Good luck with your hunt.
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From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: WEIRD NIGHT ON HALLOWEEN
Date: 30 Oct 91 18:19:05 GMT
I recorded the show, but have not taken the time to watch it yet. Had the
lady from acroos the street over for a nip or two (gin for those who think
otherwise <grin>) If anyone wants to come to Milwaukee and help paint and
stain, I have many hours of Arthur C. Clarke and UFO specials. 8*)
>From the assorted reviews, it's supposed to be general, but that's good for
showing to people who don't read this type of information on a daily basis.
Tax time again, gotta run.
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From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: OGDEN GIFS
Date: 30 Oct 91 18:24:00 GMT
Are the gifs available for File Request?
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From: Andre.Eichner@f10.n245.z2.FIDONET.ORG (Andre Eichner)
Subject: Dr. Fredrick Bell
Date: 18 Oct 91 00:25:00 GMT
Hallo John!
In a msg of <05 Oct 91>, John Burke writes to Clark Matthews:
JB> I've ever read, BTW) which is written largely about Fred Bell, he is
JB> described as a Chiropractor who used to walk around with a pyramid on
Yes... in the Video he has a pyramid on his head. He sells the head-pyramids
for 300DM ($200) in germany.
Here was another guy in Berlin, last week. He's speaking about ufo's and the
greys in USA: Virgil Armstrong. Did you know about him?
cheers
Andre
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From: Andre.Eichner@f10.n245.z2.FIDONET.ORG (Andre Eichner)
Subject: Dr. Fredrick Bell
Date: 18 Oct 91 00:34:00 GMT
Hallo Steve!
In a msg of <08 Oct 91>, Steve Rose writes to Clark Matthews:
CM>> Bell says that the USA and the so-called Grey aliens work
CM>> together and intend to ignite Jupiter and use it as a second Sun.
CM>> [Andre adds that whatever this may mean, he has it from a second
CM>> source in Gulf Breeze,
SR> Hmmm...somebody there show him a copy of "2010"? ;-)
Yes, I've seen 2001 and 2010 but this information is from a video-tape from
Fred Bell. I can't believe the words of F.Bell, because it's suspect.
cheers
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From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff)
Subject: Ball Lightning
Date: 1 Nov 91 03:53:00 GMT
Hi Vlad,
Thanks for your comments re: the ball lightning observation.
It's actually quite common for this phenomenon to be seen circa
power lines, transformers, and utility towers, as your onlooker
reported. (I'm not saying ball lightning is common, just that it
has repeatedly been associated with the aforementioned locales.)
I am also confident that a substantial number of UFO reports
depicting BOL'S hovering over power lines, are in actuality
misinterpreted ball lightning, or a related event.
Thanks again,
Sheldon
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From: Clark.Matthews@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Possible FTL signals
Date: 24 Oct 91 10:58:00 GMT
Hi, Korac! Please bear with a long quote...
> I have read three articles in legitimate journals of
> the microwave/RF
> profession of efforts by a George Giakos and a Prof. T.
> Koryu Isii of Marquette
> University in Milwaukee describing successful transmission
> of a radio wave
> (non-TEM mode) at high frequency (from 8-10 Gigahertz) at
> speeds exceeding the
> normal intrinsic value 'c'. As absurd as it sounds at the
[....]
> velocity increased. They report velocities of the pulses
> up to 5.0 e+08 m/sec
> which is faster than light's 3.0 e+08 m/sec. My question
> is, if light is not
> going faster than its painstakingly defined value, what
> kind of particle/wave
> is making the antenna oscillate with the pulse? Is it some
> kind of super-
> luminal pseudo-photon (the infamous tachyon), or what? I
> have heard nothing
> about this research in the normal press (science news,
> scientific american,
> etc.).
This is *very* interesting... Ever heard of Mirkl/Putoff "Scroll
Waves"?
These are hypothetical constructs from the "Zero-Point Energy"
theories. What is interesting is that Dr. Putoff achieved
results similar to the ones you describe from an experiment that
used a chamber similar to the waveguide you described.
While Zero-Point Energy is really primarily concerned with
extracting energy from near vacuum conditions (and things like
the van der Waals forces & the Casimir effect), photon
augmentation is another aspect of the theory. There's a rather
lengthy text file available at KeelyNet, Tom Albion's THC Online
BBS in Canada, and my BBS on low-energy ZPE phenomena & on
photon augmentation. File name is ZPE5.ZIP.
You might find the whole ZPE series interesting, actually.
Best,
Clark
PS -- Here's a sample:
[much stuff cut...]
A vacuum between two sheets of metal is not the same as one that is
unconstrained. Some of the modes of the electromagnetic field are
suppressed--the modes which represent waves in the field that are
too big to fit into the cavity.
By changing the size of the cavity, you can lose certain modes.
Groups of scientists around the world have built cavities that rule
out certain modes of vacuum energy, and thus stop atoms from
emitting photons at various wavelengths.
Using a related technique, they have designed and built cavities
that enhance the radiation by allowing the atom to "see" more modes
of the vacuum radiation than it would if there was no cavity.
The results of such experiments allow scientists to explore
otherwise inaccessible areas of quantum electrodynamics, the theory
of electromagnetic fields.
An intriguing theoretical point about the way that atoms interact
with vacuum has been made by Dr Hal Puthoff of the Institute for
Advanced Studies in Austin, Texas.
For every atom there is an energy level below which the electrons
cannot sink. Dr Puthoff suggests that this is because, at the low
energy levels, electrons cannot lose energy any faster than they
pick it up from a vacuum.
It is the vacuum energy that buoys them up, stopping them from
losing all their energy and collapsing into the atomic nucleus.
That means that the vacuum underpins the stability of every atom--
and thus of almost all matter in the universe.
[stuff cut...]
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Page 4
I got copies of the articles from the author, who
> has an e-mail
> address (maybe I can find it). For reference, the
> articles appear in:
>
> Microwave and Optical Technology Letters, vol. 4,
> No.2, Jan. 20, 1991
> and ' ' " " vol. 4,
> No.3 Feb 1991
>
> as well as Microwaves and RF (magazine), August 1991, p.115
>
>
> I am not an expert in microwave physics, I deal
> mainly in computer
> programming for cosmic ray research, so I have no idea if
> this has already
> been shot down or is being ignored. I can't find any
> flaws in the math,
> and don't know enough to make quantitative statements about
> the experiments.
> For what its worth, they claim the error is less than 0.1
> %, small enough to
> prove they are getting values of signal propagation > c.
> Interesting at
> any rate (no pun intended, but laugh if you want). :)
>
> Korac
> MacArthur
> UNH Space
> Science Center
>
> k_macarthur1@unhh.unh.edu
>
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From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Paranet 9600 Bps
Date: 28 Oct 91 02:33:00 GMT
Hi Michael,
You certainly did use considerable restrain in describing Aileen
Edwards' "publication." I have seen articles in The Missing Link
(which she sent to me for about a year, at no request from me!) that I
know were lifted from UFO Clipping Service (because I get that). The
contactee and channelled garbage made me sick. All I got to say for
those folks is: their straw doesn't go all the way to the bottom of
their cups!
Avoid those people,
Linda
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From: Doug.Rogers@p0.f1.n606.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Doug Rogers)
Subject: Fragments of information
Date: 26 Oct 91 02:11:00 GMT
David,
That's quite a post.
While I read it with interest, I feel compelled to say that without knowing
more about the sources and HOW you came upon this information, I have a very
hard time making any conclusions. At this point, I'm very skeptical of ALL of
it. If you are trying to help us out, we are going to need to know more so it
can be further investigated.
Doug Rogers
Echo Moderator
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From: Vladimir.Godic@f7.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Vladimir Godic)
Subject: Jupiter as Second Sun
Date: 28 Oct 91 04:15:00 GMT
>
> Aha! I just remembering reading in a "National Geographic"
> some years ago in a special issue called "The Planets" that
> "Jupiter could have been a second sun, but that its nuclear
> fires were never ignited." If it had, I guess we'd be a binary
> solar system. I'll see if I can find that magazine.
Hi linda,
Thanks for that info. I'd love to see that article.
Regards,
Vlad
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From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Translators...
Date: 31 Oct 91 16:32:00 GMT
> Just let me know who I should contact, and I'll see what I can do.
> Thanks!
> -Mark Burnham
Thank you, Mark. Please contact Mark Rodeghier at the Center for UFO Studies
at 2457 W. Petersen Ave. Chicago, IL 60659, 312-271-3611. Tell 'em ParaNet
sent ya!
Any other takers? There's plenty of chapters, and the more people we get
working on it, the faster the book comes out in English! Let's show 'em why
computer networks get things done faster!
Jim Speiser
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From: wc.novell.com!markb
Subject: Re:Heard on the Street
Date: 1 Nov 91 18:39:37 GMT
From: markb@wc.novell.com (Mark Burnham)
Jim,
I've been on the ParaNet list for a few months and have really enjoyed reading
everyone's postings. I've been quite passive about posting myself basically
because I just don't know too much about this stuff!
Anyway, I read your post about a Belgian book coming out and a sort of
'call for translators'. My French is pretty good (used to be better!) and I
wouldn't mind translating some of it for CUFOS. It sounds like really
interesting stuff!
Just let me know who I should contact, and I'll see what I can do.
Thanks!
-Mark Burnham (markb@wc.novell.com)
Software Engineer, Novell Inc.
(510) 975-4511
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