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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 513
Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 513
Tuesday, December 17th 1991
Today's Topics:
Mutilated Cattle 2/
(none)
(none)
Raf Bentwaters/woodbridge
Re: Raf Bentwaters/woodbridge
Omni ONLINE
Ray Stanford
Delphos, Kansas Incident
Re: Ufo Magazine
Ogden
Raf Bentwaters/woodbridge
Re: Raf Bentwaters/woodbridge
Re: UFO MAGAZINE
Implants
Richard Price tape
Kidd Drive
Re: Welcome back!
Re: Crop Circles: a hoax?
Re: UFO BOOK ON COMPUTER
Re: Raf Bentwaters/woodbridge
Raf Bentwaters/woodbridge
Kidd Drive
CUFOS Abduction Videotape
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Mutilated Cattle 2/
Date: 12 Dec 91 15:42:00 GMT
* Forwarded from "Fido UFO Echo"
* Originally from Patrick Briggs
* Originally dated 12-09-91 12:09
>>> Continued from previous message
- A 1971 Ford camper, operated by a "B.L. Chrisensen" is registered to
Dale F. Mackey of Los Angeles, California.
** END OF ARTICLE.
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X SLMR 2.0 X Unable to locate Coffee -- Operator Halted!
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From: ecn.purdue.edu!lush
Subject: (none)
Date: 13 Dec 91 04:26:12 GMT
From: lush@ecn.purdue.edu (Gregory B Lush)
? Subject: EARLY AMERICANS
? Date: 5 Dec 91 18:33:45 GMT
?
? From: ZAK@CU.NIH.GOV
?
? From: wam.umd.edu!infinity
? + In July or August 1989 a French anthropological or archaeological journal
? + published or reviewed a study by a Brazilian archaeologist/anthropologist
? + concerning remains in northern Brazil dated by thermoluminescence to
? + be 300,000 years old. This came on the heels of a discovery in the Mojave
? + Desert, which was at the time quite controversial, concerning 270,000 year
? + old evidence of human habitation. I have been unable to find the journal,
? + as I got my information from a news periodical I should have photocopied.
? -- MORE--
?
?
? Have you seen the book _American_Genesis_ by the-name-escapes-me?
?
Are you talking about 'American Genesis: a century of invenstion and
technological enthusiasm, 1870-1970' ?
By Thomas Parke Hughes ?
Greg (lush@ecn.purdue.edu)
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From: ecn.purdue.edu!lush
Subject: (none)
Date: 13 Dec 91 04:26:35 GMT
From: lush@ecn.purdue.edu (Gregory B Lush)
? In 1903 the eminent American astronomer Simon Newcomb 'proved' on paper
? that heavier-than-air flight was a mathematical impossibility. Later that
? year the Wright brothers flew a Kitty Hawk.
?
? David E. Coleman infinity@wam.umd.edu
This reminds me of a story a friend is fond of telling me where
scientists proved that bumble bees cannot fly.
Greg (lush@ecn.purdue.edu)
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From: James.Hudnall@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (James Hudnall)
Subject: Raf Bentwaters/woodbridge
Date: 13 Dec 91 04:57:01 GMT
Who I write for depends on who I sell to, but my main source of income is
writing comic books. Mind you, these comic books are not like what you
probably expect. Comics have changed dramatically in the last ten years.
What I write are stories aimed mainly at an adult audience. My work is
mostly political SF thrillers. My latest series is called THE PSYCHO and
it's about paranormal spies. I'm well known in my field for Espers and Lex
Luthor: The Unauthorized Biography.
I'm starting to work in Hollywood now on films and I'm also working on a
novel.
Thanks for asking.
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From: James.Hudnall@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (James Hudnall)
Subject: Re: Raf Bentwaters/woodbridge
Date: 13 Dec 91 05:05:02 GMT
Uh, what report did your husband write? Something on Bentwaters?
My feelings on UFOs tend to lean in the John Keel, Jaques Vallee,
Tim Holiday direction of them being some kind of paranormal manefestation
that is capable of transmitting virtual reality experiences to the human
brain. Therefore, my Bentwaters stories (I'll get them written soon) make
sense, since they are mostly of the ghost/MIB variety. If Keel and co. are
correct in their elemental theories, these paranormal events preceeding the
UFO flap there substantiatesa "trend" of sorts.
I've recently heard another tale from a friend which is pretty damn
scary. I'll upload that at some point, also.
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From: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Omni ONLINE
Date: 12 Dec 91 15:45:24 GMT
In a message to Jim Speiser <10 Dec 91 21:12> Michael Schuyler wrote:
MS> Jim, CUFON is back up and running with a Seattle-area BBS with
MS> files only and refuses ANY echo mail connection. (206) 776-0382
MS> is the number. I've talked with him on the phone a coupla times;
MS> rather, I listened to him on the phone a coupla times. His main
MS> thing is to get Congress to open an investigation.
MS> --Michael
Good 'ol Dale...still holdin' out against the world...
Jim
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From: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Ray Stanford
Date: 12 Dec 91 19:50:06 GMT
In a message to All <08 Dec 91 11:50> Bill Chalker UFORA Associ wrote:
BCUA> A number of years ago Ray Stanford's PSI group announced it had
BCUA> some UFO spectra for which they were seeking funds to study.
BCUA> Ray's group broke up. I did bump into him at the Washington
BCUA> MUFON conference in 1987, but unfortunately there was only time
BCUA> for a hello and little else.
BCUA> Now Ray has had an extremely varied career. I was a member for a
BCUA> while of the AUM group, which published his "Source" material -
BCUA> ahead of his time given the current in vogue channelling craze.
BCUA> But it was Ray's PSI activities that interested me the most.
BCUA> I gather Ray is now resident in Washington DC area.
BCUA> The reason I'm asking is that I have a University associate here
BCUA> in Australia with a specific interest in UFO spectra and who
BCUA> would be willing to examine credible evidence for UFO spectra.
BCUA> Now, I cant believe or hope that the spectra has not been
BCUA> examined by now by some hopefully responsible crowd in the US but
BCUA> I have not heard anything about it. Besides this side of it I
BCUA> would like to renew contact with Ray.
BCUA> Thanks in advance for anyone who can help.
BCUA> I saw recently ghe had helped Bob Oechsler in Washington/Maryland
BCUA> investigations!!!
BCUA> Regards, Bill Chalker.
Bill:
Wasn't that Project Starlight International? I don't know what their status is,
but I know someone who would. Contact Dale Goudie at CUFON in Seattle. Don't
have his number handy, but its in the 206 area.
I just realized I met you in person at the 87 MUFON conference. We shared an
elevator in the Bethesda Holiday Inn!
Jim
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From: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Delphos, Kansas Incident
Date: 13 Dec 91 00:14:17 GMT
In a message to All <11 Dec 91 18:05> ncar!cwns5.INS.CWRU.Edu!x wrote:
nc> A person on the Cleveland Free-Net UFOlogy Sig has asked me about
nc> the Delphos, Kansas incident and would like to obtain an article
nc> on this which was in the Journal of UFO Studies, New Series, Vol.
nc> 1, 1989.
nc> If anyone has this article or could upload it to me, it would be
nc> appreciated. Or if you could tell me where I can write for it, that
nc> also would be appreciated.
Hi Dale!
The article in question is by Dr. Erol A. Faruk, a chemist. It is called "The
Delphos Case: Soil Analysis and Appraisal of a CE-2 Report." I can type up the
abstract, but your best bet is to get the publication - no ufologist should be
without it. It's $15 from CUFOS, 2457 W. Peterson Ave., Chicago, IL 60659.
Abstract follows:
Three members of a farming family claim to have witnessed an unusual
luminescent object hovering over their land. After departing, the soil over
which the object allegedly hovered was found to have undergone considerable
physical and chemical change, the effects of which lasted for several months
afterwards. Subsequent chemical analysis of the soil provided data which
virtually discounts any hoax interpretation and even goes a considerable way to
corroborating the witnesses' testimony. A plea is made for a conclusive
analysis involving the identification of a single unstable compound which just
might provide evidence of a genuine UFO-related event occurring at Delphos.
Jim
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From: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker)
Subject: Re: Ufo Magazine
Date: 12 Dec 91 07:06:00 GMT
Linda Bird asked:
> Can't wait to see the newest issue!
>
> Isn't this the one with the interview with Z. Sitchin, too? <O boy!>
Yep sure is Linda. And more from Sitchin to follow in future issues.
Best;
Don
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From: Peggy.Noonan@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: Ogden
Date: 13 Dec 91 20:57:00 GMT
>WPC<> * Origin: Unknown - Appended by IMAIL 1.0 (9:1040/7)
>371/3
Hi Sheldon,
The above is all there was of your message to me...maybe it'll be in
another message, but there would appear to be some kind of
transmission problem somewhere along the line. Only thing that
showed up in the mssg I received here on ParaNet Alpha's Mail was
the origin line. If the message shows up in another place and you
get an answer from me, ignore this; if not, please repost. Thank
you.
==Peggy==
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From: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Raf Bentwaters/woodbridge
Date: 13 Dec 91 14:20:11 GMT
In a message to Jim Speiser <12 Dec 91 21:57> James Hudnall wrote:
JH> paranormal spies. I'm well known in my field for Espers and Lex
JH> Luthor: The Unauthorized Biography.
JH> I'm starting to work in Hollywood now on
JH> films and I'm also working on a novel.
You lucky guy...sounds like you're doing exactly what I would like to be doing,
if I had the opportunity....
Jim
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From: Steve.Rose@p0.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Rose)
Subject: Re: Raf Bentwaters/woodbridge
Date: 13 Dec 91 23:12:00 GMT
JH> in my field for Espers and Lex Luthor: The Unauthorized Biography.
JH> I'm starting to work in Hollywood now on films and I'm also working on
JH> a novel.
Hey...I happen to have enjoyed 'The ESPers'...but I never got into that
L. Luthor thingy. :)
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From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: UFO MAGAZINE
Date: 12 Dec 91 17:29:32 GMT
Still looking for that file I promised you last week. After that, "the check
is in the mail"...
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From: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Keith Basterfield)
Subject: Implants
Date: 13 Dec 91 03:50:00 GMT
Hi Peggy, You should be receiving a bag of "goodies" from "Down Under"
about the same time as this message. Happy reading.
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From: Vladimir.Godic@f7.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Vladimir Godic)
Subject: Richard Price tape
Date: 14 Dec 91 08:23:00 GMT
> tape if you'd send the address. Now I see that I've also had
> another message of nearly identical content from Keith
> Basterfield, also of Australia, and also Origin Lined: UFO
> Research Australia, but hwere yours says UFORA Associate VIC,
> his says Research Officer. His netmail address is 9:1040/12
> while yours is listed as 9:1040/15.
Hi Peggy,
Seeing that you are somewhat confused about two "Keiths", I hope you
won't mind if I answer your message.
UFO Research Australia operates as a network of individual UFO
researchers and groups in all Australian States. HQ and
Administration are based in Cairns, Far North Queensland. I don't
know whether you've seen a message I posted recently on Paranet re
UFORA moving from South Australia to Queensland. I am Administrator
and I live now in Cairns, KEITH BASTERFIELD is UFORA Research Officer
and he lives in South Australia (that is where I used to live until a
month ago).
KEITH SONERSON is a UFORA Associate and (we have associates in all
Australian States) he lives in VICTORIA. He is also coordinator for
our UFORA Victorian Branch. So you have two "Keiths" with similar
Christian names but different surnames.
I run Paranet/UFORA which is a private computer network for UFORA
associates only (not for general public). Currently we have seven
associates on this network. Both "KEITHS" are on this computer
network. Keith Basterfield is 1040/12 and Keith Sonerson is 1040/15.
As it hapened both of them requested that tape from you.
I thought I'd send you a reply because Keith Sonerson did not poll me
last Thursday (associates poll me twice a week) and therefore did not
see your message. He'll probably poll me on Sunday.
Regards,
Vlad
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From: violet.berkeley.edu!chalmers
Subject: Kidd Drive
Date: 14 Dec 91 14:31:18 GMT
From: chalmers@violet.berkeley.edu (John H. Chalmers Jr.)
The Kidd anti-gravity drive mentioned in David Coleman's
post of a couple of days ago strongly resembles the Dean Drive
that John Campbell, the editor of Astounding/Analog SF magazine,
championed in the late 1950's. Both claimed to produce a
'one way push,' both had parts moving in circular paths,
and both were supposed to be usable as spaceship drives.
As I remember, Dean's device did not use gyroscopes, but
had rotating weights on a platform that could be pulled upwards
by a solenoid. The idea is that if the parts moved fast
enough, the device could always stay ahead of the equal and
opposite reaction.
Dean developed a theory (published as a 'science-fact
article' in Astounding) that his device operated by a
hypothetical force he called 'intractance' which was
proportional to the third time derivative of position
(velocity is the first, acceleration the second). Conventional
physicists and engineers call this quantity 'rate of onset'
or 'jerk' (or used to; I may be out-of date on
my engineering terminology), but recognize no forces
dependent upon its value.
As with Kidd, some industrial firms took Dean seriously for
a while, but lost interest when he never could produce a really
functional prototype. The working models had always been
'tested to destruction.' The ones seen by the public would bounce
around on the platform of a scale and seem to loose weight, but
that apparently was an illusion due to the mechanical vibrations.
Dean appeared to be a true believer in his device and
not a fraud or con artist.
Campbell proposed installing a large Dean Drive in an
atomic submarine and converting it into a spaceship. This idea
provoked a lot of mirth from SF writers and fans and inspired
at least one satirical song. Campbell also held many other
heterodox ideas and opinions, including a belief in psionics as it
was embodied in the Hieronymous Machine.
As editor of Astounding, later called Analog, however,
he was chiefly responsible for developing modern science fiction
as a true literary genre and he strongly influenced major writers
such as Robert Heinlein during the 'Golden Age' of SF in the late
1930's.
--- John
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From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Welcome back!
Date: 15 Dec 91 03:38:00 GMT
Hi Vlad,
Thanks for information on your new region. I remember reading about
the flattened area in the swamp.
When you go out driving at night, be careful! (Take your bug spray!)
Best,
Linda
<Vlad to himself: "Now what does she mean: 'Take your bug spray?'">
<Linda: They say the aliens look like bugs/insects....>
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From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Crop Circles: a hoax?
Date: 15 Dec 91 03:44:00 GMT
Hallo Andre,
You said that you think some things about UFO's will come to light next
year. Do you suspect the German government is hiding some secrets? If
so, do you have some clue/ideas as to what they are hiding? My friends
in Bielefeld don't appear to ever hear UFO stories in Germany -- only
in the USA and a few other places.
Thank you,nd Frohliche Weinachten!
Linda
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From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: UFO BOOK ON COMPUTER
Date: 15 Dec 91 03:54:00 GMT
Hi Bill,
We'll be waiting to see how to purchase this in U$ dollar$.
Thanks!
Linda
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From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Raf Bentwaters/woodbridge
Date: 15 Dec 91 04:25:00 GMT
Hi James,
Yes, my husband wrote a very skeptical report on Bentwaters, based
99% on the recent TV special a few months ago. He glanced at a couple
of books here, but like MOST skeptics, did not really do his homework
and READ any further. In my opinion, he also asked a lot of impossible
questions. <I don't think much of his research methods; and he should
know better with an M.S. in engineering!>
Mike Corbin has a copy of the report and may post parts of it.
Thanks for your inquiry,
Linda
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From: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Raf Bentwaters/woodbridge
Date: 15 Dec 91 07:18:49 GMT
In a message to James Hudnall <14 Dec 91 21:25> Linda Bird wrote:
LB> Hi James,
LB> Yes, my husband wrote a very skeptical report on Bentwaters, based
LB> 99% on the recent TV special a few months ago. He glanced at a
LB> couple of books here, but like MOST skeptics, did not really do
LB> his homework and READ any further. In my opinion, he also asked
LB> a lot of impossible questions. <I don't think much of his
LB> research methods; and he should know better with an M.S. in engineering!>
Linda:
I wouldn't write Birdie off so fast...his questions are important ones, and
NEEDED to be asked. It IS a little interesting that John didn't make an all
out effort to look at the ground impressions, for instance.
Tell Loren that John will be responding soon. And I *WILL* call you tomorrow,
I promise!
Jim
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From: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Kidd Drive
Date: 15 Dec 91 07:32:49 GMT
In a message to All <14 Dec 91 12:05> ncar!violet.berkeley.edu! wrote:
nc> or 'jerk' (or used to; I may be out-of date on
nc> my engineering terminology), but recognize no forces
It was still called "jerk" as of my 12th grade physics class (1974).
nc> heterodox ideas and opinions, including a belief in psionics as it
nc> was embodied in the Hieronymous Machine.
What the heck is the Hieronymous Machine?
nc> As editor of Astounding, later called Analog, however,
nc> he was chiefly responsible for developing modern science fiction
nc> as a true literary genre and he strongly influenced major writers
nc> such as Robert Heinlein during the 'Golden Age' of SF in the late
nc> 1930's.
And don't forget Asimov!
Jim
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From: Mark.Rodeghier@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mark Rodeghier)
Subject: CUFOS Abduction Videotape
Date: 15 Dec 91 13:15:01 GMT
In the spirit of Bill Chalker's recent post concerning the new Australian UFO
book on computer diskette, I wanted to make everyone in this forum aware of
the newly-produced Center for UFO Studies videotape on the abduction
phenomenon.
The tape is about 85 minutes in length and includes interviews with Budd
Hopkins, John Mack from Harvard, Mike Swords, myself, Jerry Clark, and Eddie
Bullard. It also contains original interviews with Betty Hill and Walter
Webb, who was the original investigator on the Hill case.
The tape is broken into segments, and the first is on the history of CEIII
cases, including the contactee phenomenon. The producers we worked with
to complete the tape, WPA, obtained unique archival footage of UFO early
UFO conventions, including the fabled Giant Rock meeting in California.
I particularly enjoyed these portions of the tape.
The emphasis in the tape is on a serious discussion of the abduction
phenomenon, and all sides of the issue are presented by the various
participants. I'm sure I'm biased because of my involvement, but I do
believe that this is the most sober, rational treatment of abduction
reports that has ever been produced on video.
The tape is available for $23.00, postage paid, from CUFOS. In case you don't
have our address, it's 2457 W. Peterson Ave., Chicago, IL 60659. Phone
312-271-3611.
We are in the midst of producing three additional tapes as part of a video
series on the UFO phenomenon. Consequently, we'd be most interested in
comments from those who purchase the tape about content, use of visuals,
graphics, and so forth. You can direct them to me either on Paranet or
directly to CUFOS.
I'll think you'll like the tape, and so will your UFO-interested friends.
It would be a great stocking stuffer.
Thanks for reading this note, and seasons greetings. Mark Rodeghier
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