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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 495
Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 495
Tuesday, October 29th 1991
Today's Topics:
Crop circle researcher
Welcome
SHC
FOX Show
Re: Hello!
Welcome
Bunker Ramo
Spon. Human Combustion
TV Show...
Re: Fragments of information
Submit your articles!
ParaNet CONTINUUM
Paranet Continuum
Re: Weird Night On Halloween
Re: Weird Night On Halloween
Implants
Video cameras and UFOs
Spon. Human Combustion
Planes in Formation
Heard on the Street
Re: Paranet 9600 Bps
SHC
Crop Circle Skepticism - Cross-post
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From: David.Galea@f16.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (David Galea)
Subject: Crop circle researcher
Date: 18 Oct 91 05:48:00 GMT
> The claim that these two old geezers were responsible for thousands of
> circles all over the U.K. does indeed sound implausible, doesn't it?
> I certainly don't buy it. [Shocked silence descends on the crowd.]
I agree with you Rick,
I do not believe that these two Men craeted the circles in the manner that they
displayed on Television here in Australia. First of all there is the number of
them, their quality of manufacture and there various locations.
I feel that a great proportion of these "Crop Circles" are indeed a hoax, but
this cannot explain all of them.
regards,
David Galea
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From: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Keith Basterfield)
Subject: Welcome
Date: 25 Oct 91 04:54:00 GMT
To: Jim Dritsas, Welcome to the system, from Adelaide, South
Australia. If you have the time, how about a little summary of what's
happening in your neck of the woods? For example, have you had any
crop circles, abductions etc.
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From: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Keith Basterfield)
Subject: SHC
Date: 25 Oct 91 04:59:00 GMT
Re spontaneous human combustion, I would recommend the following:-
Harrison, Michael. (1990). "Fire from Heaven." Skoob books. London.
379pp. Co-incidently, I only came across a reference to this book,
yesterday.
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From: Clark.Matthews@p1.f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)
Subject: FOX Show
Date: 25 Oct 91 23:18:00 GMT
MS> Well, okay. But there is an NIS: Naval Investigative Service.
MS> Doesn't prove a thing, just wondered if some names had gotten
MS> mixed up. I know there's an NIS cause they got me once--a long,
MS> long time ago (in a galaxy far away)
Hi Michael. If you can, would you tell us how you ran afoul of NIS and what
their methods were, as far as you know?
Best,
Clark
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From: Jim.Dritsas@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Dritsas)
Subject: Re: Hello!
Date: 27 Oct 91 05:53:00 GMT
Hi there! Well, to answer your question, there isn't anything spectacular
in the UFO world happening here in Toronto. Basically, information of this
sort gets around pretty quick, and you would probably find out just as fast
through books, or the text files. Anyways, if anything strange happens,
I'll let ya know! However, all the real GOOD stuff is centered around the
American government alleged cover-ups, and what not!
Talk to ya later!
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From: Jim.Dritsas@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Dritsas)
Subject: Welcome
Date: 27 Oct 91 05:59:00 GMT
Hi! Thanks for the greeting! You are calling all the way from
Australlia? I thought my connect charges were alot.... Anyways, well,
last I heard about the crop circle phenomenon was that they started to find
alot of them out in western Canada. In places like Manitoba and Alberta, as
usual, in farmer's fields. I heard that in a story in 'A Current Affair'.
Unfortunately, I haven't heard anything regarding it since, and this was
about 6-8 months ago. I usually find out alot of what is going on by
reading UFO related books. I have never seen ANY UFO related material at all
being relayed through newspapers here, or local news channels. Except for a
couple of weeks ago, the local station was showing those 2 chaps in England
who have claimed responsibility for the crop circles.
See ya later... CHEERS!
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From: Clark.Matthews@p1.f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Bunker Ramo
Date: 27 Oct 91 00:11:00 GMT
In a message to Clark Matthews <25 Oct 91 21:21> Sheldon Wernikoff wrote:
SW> Like you said Clark, for safety's sake, when outdoors in inclement
SW> weather, be sure to urinate _only_ into
SW> a well insulated, properly grounded
SW> receptacle.
Ha-HAAAAAA-hahahahahaha!
Words to live by, Sheldon! Words to live by ...
BTW, I noticed your postings in another echo re: a high-speed feed.
Unfortunately I have a 9600 CompuCom v.29 at present, which will only give
you 2400 MNP if you have a USR D/S. That's about 260 cps or 110% of 2400.
I will be switching to a 14.4 v.32bis/v.42bis CompuCom modem within a month or
two.
I do have the XRS Offline Reader running, though. With the XRS message packets
squashed by PKZip or LHA, you could actually get thruputs of about 7200 for
message captures and reply uploads. This would be squashed message captures
over a 2400 MNP connection, OK?
If you want to try this you'll need to download the XRS Ver. 4.5 Offline
Reader, which is about 330k. You may be able to find this locally, or you can
get it from the East Bay Xchange BBS. I'll have to find their number but it's
in North Carolina, multiline, with HST/v.32bis. The East Bay Xchange is very
busy, though.
Anyway, let me know or just call & page me. I'll upgrade you online if you
want to try it out.
Best,
Clark
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From: Clark.Matthews@p1.f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Spon. Human Combustion
Date: 27 Oct 91 01:48:00 GMT
In a message to Clark Matthews <25 Oct 91 21:21> Sheldon Wernikoff wrote:
SW> Thanks for your reply and comments on the Hungarian ball lightning
SW> case. I certainly agree with your hypothesis that "leaky"
SW> power lines could have been the culprit in this situation, IF they
SW> were present. I'll check that aspect out with the author in England
SW> and get back to you.
Hi Sheldon. I'd be very interested to hear about the hi-tension angle to this
case. And I'm not totally dismissive of a correlation between the occurrance
of ball lightning and high-tension "leaks" into the earth, as you'll see. For
that matter, the *type* of soil could have a lot to do with both ball
lightning and electrical leakage. More on the soil conductivity angle later.
You see, I can give you another instance of a peculiar phenomenon that could
relate to this (remembered it after posting my cow-bootie reply): At the same
time Prince County was being electrified (from the ground up, as it turned
out), an uncle of mine recounted a very bizarre occurance when lightning struck
his house. The lightning strike should not have been a big deal, since almost
all buildings and outbuildings there have multiple lightning rods. What
happened was this:
In the middle of a raging thunderstorm, lightning struck a lightning rod (which
grounded into the yard about 50 yards from my uncle's house). Then, A GLOWING
WHITE BALL rose up from the parlor hearth (a nice old 1880s affair with an iron
grate). The basketball-sized glowing ball then floated through the parlor,
where my aunt was entertaining a gathering of Presbyterians from the local
United Church of Canada. Then it went through a door and into the kitchen,
where my uncle was sitting with several neighbors. The ball moved across the
room, avoiding the legs of the seated people, and disappeared into a brand new
wall socket, which was not damaged!
This novel departure from Bingo & gossip happened on Prince Edward Island in
Canada -- a pretty little place in the Gulf of St. Lawrence. The soil in that
part of the world (PEI, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia peninsula, Maine plateau)
has an extremely high iron content and usually makes an excellent ground. For
this reason the CBC international service located all their shortwave
broadcasting facilities in Eastern N.B.
SW> The reason I brought this case up is that one of the main theories
SW> advanced in the past, although without adequate proof, has been that
SW> ball lightning somehow intruded into the room of the SHC victim.
But I have to wonder how any kind of lightning could incinerate a human being
so completely. The problem I have with this is that even very high voltages
and moderate currents can not do so much damage so fast. Large portions of the
bodies of SHC victims are simply vaporized; there's a characteristic ring of
*grease* around the walls of the room -- probably condensed human fat or
sebaceous oils. SHC burning is *so bad*, it's consistant with prolonged
exposure to high-tension voltage and current -- you see this type of burning
in people who somehow get stuck in high=tension lines. You don't see it in
people who get a one-shot dose, even a from a direct cloud-to-ground lightning
strike. The bodies (the torsos, anyway) actually seem to reach flash point and
*burn* until they are consumed, except for stray parts (feet, arms, legs,
heads).
Moreover, why should this phenomenon be confined to *indoor* locations? I've
never heard of alfresco SHCs. They always seem to be indoors, and often above
ground (recently in a railroad boxcar, for instance -- a *very well grounded*
environment).
Then there's the problem of the profile of SHC victims. Why should most of
them be elderly? Mostly female? Virtually all of them heavy drinkers or
alcoholics?
If we were dealing with ball lightning, transient EM or dimensional phenomena,
or something else external -- shouldn't there be a much greater element of
*randomness* in these awful events?
This may sound ridiculous, but I wonder if there might be some metabolic
abberation that would cause the alcohol in a person's body to oxidize
instantly, with a huge release of heat? Is it possible that certain people
with alcohol problems are predisposed to burn up? Or could this phenomenon be
*triggered somehow*? (I know this idea is straight out of Scannerz, with
apologies to David Cronenberg)
SW> For further information, this case was investigated by ball-lightning
SW> expert Dr. George Egely of the Central Institute of Physics, Budapest
SW> and was reported at the Second Ball Lightning Conference held in
SW> Budapest in June 1990.
OK, I'll look forward to hearing about the power-line angle.
Best,
Clark
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From: Jim.Dritsas@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Dritsas)
Subject: TV Show...
Date: 28 Oct 91 06:14:00 GMT
Did anyone see a show last week on FOX about UFO's ? It was
excellent, it included the crop circles, a bit about Roswell, and
the government cover-ups. It also had a bit with Robert Lazar, the
scientist who claims to have worked at the top secret research
facility in Nevada where they had 9 disks. It was a very good show,
I was surprised they showed alot of it on TV, it isn't too comon
these days to see a documentary-news type show on TV (at least a
GOOD one). Anyways, I am pretty sure alot of you will have seen it.
So what do you all think? How about your opinions about Robert
Lazar? I have read a few text files with his interview on KLAS-TV
in Las Vegas with George Knapp, and I must admit, I really beleive
this guy is telling the truth. He looks like a sincere, and honest
(not to mention intelligent) person. I really fail to see how a
person like this can be making up a pile of lies on the subject.
Jim D.
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From: Doug.Rogers@p0.f1.n606.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Doug Rogers)
Subject: Re: Fragments of information
Date: 26 Oct 91 02:11:26 GMT
David,
That's quite a post.
While I read it with interest, I feel compelled to say that without knowing
more about the sources and HOW you came upon this information, I have a very
hard time making any conclusions. At this point, I'm very skeptical of ALL of
it. If you are trying to help us out, we are going to need to know more so it
can be further investigated.
Doug Rogers
Echo Moderator
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From: Mike.Keithly@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mike Keithly)
Subject: Paranet Continuum
Date: 28 Oct 91 15:40:00 GMT
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From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: Re: Weird Night On Halloween
Date: 28 Oct 91 20:00:00 GMT
Hi Pete,
Great to hear from you! I'm glad you'll be able to pick up
that station. Good stuff on it.
Yes, that Ogden story is frustrating...It comes originally
from 1 man who saw the site and the objects and came back with 3
pictures and he let his friend see the pix and told him about the
story and that friend then shared the pix and the tale with a MUFON
director in TX and that MUFON person is the source of the story's
spreading, I've been told. The photos Guy Kirkwood has are supposed
to be photocopies of the originals (the MUFON person made laser
photocopies of the originals.) So far as I know, nobody except
the MUFON person's friend has actually talked to the man who was on
the scene and saw the things and got the photos (he didn't take them
-- didn't have his camera along) and the nearest I could get to this
Mystery Man was to talk to the MUFON person's friend on the phone.
Now that friend, who was to send me copies of the pix, has a
"disconnected" recording on his home phone number and has not
replied to messages left for him at his work. The MUFON person is
now not in MUFON I've been told, but don't know details on that so
won't get into it for I could be wrong on something. And that MUFON
person tells me EVERYONE else who's been talking about this story
can be traced back to her, so, yes, it's all from the same source.
That means, unfortunately, if you can't get to the Main Man through
them, you're out of luck. Apparently I'm out of luck, then.
It does make the whole thing very suspicious, though I've
been assured and reassured that these people are all extremely
careful and reliable and not given to confabulation.
It would really help to be able to cross check even one
single thing. So far, nil.
Now Clark Matthews has just left a message to Linda Bird and
relayed it to me in which he says that he got a GIF of the pix
from Jim's BBS (presumably Speiser) and that's at least something.
None of the people who promised to send me a copy has done
so, so all I've seen is the drawings Linda Bird made and was kind
enough to reproduce and mail to me. She's now comparing them to the
photos of tunnel borers which a Colorado School of Mines tunnel
expert sent (faxed) to me. I'm looking forward to her reply --
maybe it's the same kind of device.
I was going to say working on this has been as muddled and
frustrating as what's been happening to you, but,no, you've had some
real stuff to deal with...I sure hope you're heading out of the deep
water into clear sailing...it's been a monster time for you and I
truly sympathize. (Tain't worth much, I know, but it's sincere.)
--Bout to run out of messge space here...take care of
yourself -- and if you're going crazy, at least you'll have plenty
of company (sometimes the crazy folks are a lot more fun that the
"sane" ones.)
==Peggy==
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From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: Re: Weird Night On Halloween
Date: 28 Oct 91 20:02:00 GMT
PS:
That UFO program on Friday, 10/18 --I could kick
myself--fell asleep 1/2 way through just when they got to the good
stuff!!! Had been up 22 hours and made the mistake of getting warm
and comfortable. Next thing I knew it was 5 minutes to the end of
the show. At least I caught that tail end. Oh well, maybe they'll
rebroadcast it sometime. (RATS!!!)
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From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: Implants
Date: 28 Oct 91 20:09:00 GMT
>Peggy, in a message on 12th Oct you mentioned a radio show
>which included a man who talked about a personal abduction and
>implant.
>Do you by chance have any further details on him?
>--- FD 1.99c
> * Origin: UFO Research Australia, Research Officer,
>Adelaide-Aust (9:1040/12)
Hello Keith,
I have not yet had time to listen to my audiotape of the
entire program so I don't know all the details yet, but I can tell
you this much:
name: Richard Price
He says he was implanted by aliens and that the implant or
probe has been removed and is in the hands of scientists at MIT and
they're baffled about what it is. "They don't what type of device
it is...they only thing they've come up with is a chemical
analysis. I just got the report...We're not sure if it's a device
of some kind -- it's a chemical of some kind. The scientist does
not know what it is. He didn't exactly come out and say that it is
a material that isn't made here on this earth."
He had it in his body for 35 years and knew it was there.
When asked why he waited so long to find out about it, he said
"that's when it decided to come out" and it came out about 2 years
ago. He was implanted at age 8.
---That's from the opening of the interview.
I will get more to you when I can. Does this help? Perhaps
you know this person or his story? He says he's told the story a
number of times.
==Peggy==
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From: cwns1.INS.CWRU.Edu!al463
Subject: Video cameras and UFOs
Date: 29 Oct 91 04:15:04 GMT
From: al463@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Christopher A. Joseph)
The Nov. 91 issue of VIDEOMAKER magazine has an interesting article on
how to film UFOs with your video camera. It was written by a man named
Allan Lundell, who treats the subject with the seriousness it
deserves. Lundell even goes as far a warning would-be UFO chasers that
they may be abducted; hardly something you'd expect to see in a
mainstream publication. Well worth the $2.50 cover price.
For those of you who can't find the magazine:
Videomaker
P.O. box 558
Mt. Morris, IL.
61054
Customer service: (815) 734-4151
Is it just me, or does anyone else notice the increase in PRO-UFO
material in the past year?
--
Christopher A. Joseph (Chris)
al463@cleveland.freenet.edu
Waiting impatiently for nanotechnology...
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From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Spon. Human Combustion
Date: 24 Oct 91 18:26:00 GMT
> PS -- Weird as all this is, genuine SHC is much, much weirder. The Mary
> Reeser case is so bizarre as to be beyond belief. She was INCINERATED
> in a chair, and so was a perfect circle of the floor that the chair was
> on. Coroner estimated temps of 3000 degrees plus. Almost NO OTHER
> DAMAGE to the room or the house, and there was NO FIRE.
> I have a couple of text files on this: SHC1.ZIP and SHC2.ZIP, from
> KeelyNet
Hi, Clarke...you really ought to read Nickell's treatment of the case. I'm not
saying its conclusive, mind you, but there are points that need to be
considered.
Jim
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From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Planes in Formation
Date: 26 Oct 91 21:40:00 GMT
Last night we were having a Halloween party in our backyard, when my wife
sighted a series of bright red lights to the south of us, travelling east over
downtown Scottsdale. Both of us immediately recognized them as planes in
formation, with bright red, almost incandescent-looking lights. A couple who
arrived shortly thereafter told us they had seen the same thing on the way
over, only with bright white lights.
Today I learned that the same thing had been reported over Phoenix a couple of
days earlier. It turned out to be a group of pilots practicing formation flying
for an airshow at Falcon Field this weekend. As the air show is taking place
right now, I will have to wait till next week to follow up on the story. I'm
going to try to find out how many UFO reports were generated, who the pilots
were, why they were flying at night with such unconventional lighting, etc.
Will get back to ya.
An interesting sidelight: My wife saw seen a high-strangeness UFO of the
nocturnal lights variety a few years ago. When we saw these planes last night,
I immediately asked her if that was close to what she saw. "Oh, gosh, no. Not
even close," she said. I guess you can fool some of the people some of the
time, but ya can't fool Mary Speiser....:->
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From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Heard on the Street
Date: 26 Oct 91 21:49:00 GMT
Its semi-official: Phil Klass is writing a new book on the Roswell Incident.
Got this from Mark Rodeghier of CUFOS. Hey, Phil, be sure and include your
interviews with Sheridan Cavitt, you know, the guy who originally claimed he
wasn't even there, and then said that nothing happened at Roswell. Its SOOO
convincing, that the whole case is sure to just dry up and blow away as soon
as you publish.... <evil grin>
Also from CUFOS: The reason for the dearth of timely information on Belgium has
just become clear. SOBEPS, the Belgian UFO Society, was writing a book. The
book has just come out, and the good news is it is chock full of OUTSTANDING
photographs and video stills of the famous triangle - not just lights in the
sky, but ANOMALOUS TRIANGULAR OBJECTS in broad daylight. The bad news is, its
all in French. CUFOS is looking for a few good translators, and I volunteered
to put the word out on ParaNet. I know I've seen German and Spanish spoken
here, and I think French as well. They would like to send out several chapters
rather than the whole book, as its 500 pages, and that's a bit much. Any
volunteers?
Jim
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From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Paranet 9600 Bps
Date: 28 Oct 91 04:33:00 GMT
Hi Michael,
You certainly did use considerable restrain in describing Aileen
Edwards' "publication." I have seen articles in The Missing Link
(which she sent to me for about a year, at no request from me!) that I
know were lifted from UFO Clipping Service (because I get that). The
contactee and channelled garbage made me sick. All I got to say for
those folks is: their straw doesn't go all the way to the bottom of
their cups!
Avoid those people,
Linda
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From: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: SHC
Date: 27 Oct 91 06:39:23 GMT
In a message to Robert Trevelyan <24 Oct 91 21:59> Keith Basterfield wrote:
KB> Re spontaneous human combustion, I would recommend the following:-
KB> Harrison, Michael. (1990). "Fire from Heaven." Skoob books.
^^^^
Must be a new edition. I read that at least 5 years ago.
Jim
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From: ASTRO.dnet.ge.com!CARR
Subject: Crop Circle Skepticism - Cross-post
Date: 29 Oct 91 20:32:46 GMT
From: Paul Carr <CARR@ASTRO.dnet.ge.com>
From: Stan <SCHWARZ_SM%ZOO.DECNET%RELAY.THE.NET@VM.USC.EDU>
Subject: T.T. Brown, etc.
X-To: SKEPTIC%YORKVM1.bitnet@VM.USC.EDU
To: Multiple recipients of list SKEPTIC <SKEPTIC@YORKVM1>
I think that the mere existence of a patent is not reason to believe that
an idea is true. This is certainly the case with the numerous U.S. patents
for perpetual motion machines. In any event, I have never heard of any
evidence that electricity can affect gravity. I think that if nothing more
was heard of Mr. Brown's research it is because he was being ignored, not
suppressed. Stories of suppressed 'miracle' inventions are the stuff of
urban legends.
In a lighter vein, there was a one day conference last weekend here in Austin,
sponsored by MUFON (Mutual UFO Network). This is a group that is based in
Seguin, TX, which is also the home of Forrest Mims, the creationist who wanted
to write the 'Amateur Scientist' column for _Scientific American_. Anyway,
MUFON's topic du jour was 'What are the Crop Circles Trying to Tell Us?'.
The event was reported unskeptically in the local paper as a major mystery.
There was only passing mention of the English fellows who recently admitted
to making the crop circles. This coverage was rather surprising, since the
same paper had several lengthy articles about them just a few weeks ago.
Anyway, the MUFON people do not believe this story. So they fleeced people
for $16 a head to hear their 'experts' discuss their theories about the
origin and meaning of the crop circles. I could have told everyone that
their meaning is clear--they are telling us not to be gullible...
Also, does anyone know if there is a mailing list for urban legends?
Stan Schwarz
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