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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 487
Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 487
Thursday, October 10th 1991
Today's Topics:
Phobos/Deimos Densities
Re: Dr. Fredrick Bell
Re: (none)
Re: Ham Radio Voiceover
Re: Kansas disappearances
Re: Micap
Richard Hoagland's Face on Mars
(none)
Doug and Dave
Belgium
(none)
Article
Phobos/Deimos Densities
Belgium
Mail mail mail...
Belgium
Re: Micap
Re: ogden object
Dein Deutch
Clark's New Business...
timeshifting UFOs
Bentwaters, timeshifts
Dan Casolaro
Mail Mail Mail...
Re: Ogden Object
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From: ncar!ASTRO.dnet.ge.com!CARR
Subject: Phobos/Deimos Densities
Date: 8 Oct 91 20:00:51 GMT
From: Paul Carr <CARR@ASTRO.dnet.ge.com>
There was recently a quote from R. Hoagland stating that the moons
of Mars are hollow. I decided to inquire of them who knbow their
planetary astronomy stuff, and received the following message from
Dr. VanFlandern on CI$. I have some other files by this same
scientist if anyone is interested - he has put forward some
alternative cosmological ideas which may interest paranet subscribers.
#: 92083 S4/The Solar System
08-Oct-91 00:07:49
Sb: #92057-Martian Moons
Fm: Tom VanFlandern/DC 71107,2320
To: Paul Carr 72537,2312
Paul,
Phobos: mass = 9.5 x 10^18 grams; mean radius = 1.2 x 10^6
centimeters; mean density = 1.3 g/cc.
Deimos: mass = 2.0 x 10^18 grams; mean radius = 7.5 x 10^5
centimeters; mean density = 1.1 g/cc.
[These figures from 'The Planetary System', publication AS419 of the
Astronomical Society of the Pacific.]
The shapes are very irregular; and more careful solutions using actual
shapes suggest slightly higher mean density figures. The densities are
believed to be only about half those of normal asteroids because these moons
were apparently struck so violently in an ancient collision that they were
literally blown apart. The major fragments then fell back in place under the
force of the moons' own gravity, but were then less densely packed. A huge
crater and stress fractures ('grooves') visible on Phobos bear witness to this
history.
Although these densities are low, they are not at all extraordinary.
Some icy planetary moons in the outer solar system, and the planet Saturn
itself, have lower densities. There is no suggestion of 'hollowness' in these
figures.
There is an old theory that Phobos might be 'hollow' or artificial. It
was based in part on the high rate of tidal acceleration of Phobos in its
orbit, the origin of which is now better understood from tidal theory than it
was earlier in this century. It was also based on a few old observations of
questionable accuracy which tended to suggest that the acceleration of Phobos
in its orbit had changed since its discovery, which could presumably only
happen if it was hollow or artificial and had been struck or propelled. It is
now widely believed that those very old observations had systematic errors in
them, since the moons were barely visible at all in the glare of Martian light.
-|Tom|-
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From: Linda.Bird@p0.f8.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Dr. Fredrick Bell
Date: 9 Oct 91 05:24:18 GMT
Hi John!
Yes, I've read a bit about old Fred Bell, too. He makes all kinds of
outlandish claims: that he began his science career at age 9 (it probably was
an ANT FARM!); that he worked with Werner von Braun. I think the guy is a
sleeze bag. IMHO! IMHO!!
Linda
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From: Steve.Rose@p0.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Rose)
Subject: Re: (none)
Date: 6 Oct 91 08:43:50 GMT
Did you know, ncar!ecn. our man Lush said to All on 03 Oct 91 11:53:58
n> But her third prediction was so horrifying that Lucia kept it to
n> herself until the Vatican finally ordered her to put it on paper
n> and swore her to secrecy in 1943.
And that is where it should have stayed. To even suggest that 'an
image' of Virgin Mary would make ANY reference to the existence or
acceptence of authority to any one or thing called, 'Satan' is beyond
credible belief. It condemns the visioner to scorn and ridicule,
except for those promoting such nonsense. They eat it up.
n> 'A great plague will befall mankind in 1993. Nowhere in the world
n> will there be order, and Satan will rule the highest places,
n> determining the way of things.
<< Laughing and spraying bits of oreo cookie over monitor. >>
n> 'Satan will even succeed in asserting himself at the top of the church.
n> 'He will succeed in seducing the spirits of the great scientists who
n> invent arms, with which it will be possible to destroy a very large
n> part of humanity in a few minutes.
Gee..isn't he a little late? We've had such things for decades!
n> 'Satan will walk in their midst, and in Rome there will be great
n> changes. The church will be darkened, and the world will be shaking
n> with terror.
n> 'A huge war will erupt. Fire and smoke will fall down from the sky.
Aren't they mixing their Hopi predictions up a bit too much?
n> 'The waters of the ocean will become mist, and the foam will rise to
n> tremendous heights and everyone will drown.
n> the crazed and the followers of Satan, who will then and only then
n> rule the world.
n>
n> 'At the last, those who survive will at every chance newly proclaim
n> God and His glory and they will serve Him as when the world was
n> not so perverted.
Methinks the young 'seer' has been into the cooking sherry with that one!
If that is the future of our world...PLEASE LET ME PERISH, TOO!
n> The only comment I would add is that if one lived in Iraq right now,
n> one might think that this prediction had already come true.
And I predict in '93, you and I and the rest will be around to have a good
laugh over this one. Isn't it amazing how such uhhh, major prophesies always
seem to be 'revealed' only a couple of years ahead of the event? ;-)
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From: Steve.Rose@p0.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Rose)
Subject: Re: Ham Radio Voiceover
Date: 6 Oct 91 08:48:38 GMT
Did you know, ncar!apple.com!well!gmz said to All on 02 Oct 91 12:15:55
n> Yes, anyone (depending on license class) can jump in and
n> transmit over the NASA broadcast. Whether or not their
n> transmission will be heard at any given receiving point;
n> whether it will sound like the original transmission;
License Class would not be an issue...since it would be ILLEGAL in any
respect to do such willful interferring.
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From: Kay.Mclaughlin@p0.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Kay Mclaughlin)
Subject: Re: Kansas disappearances
Date: 4 Oct 91 06:04:14 GMT
JS> I tend to avoid tabloid television, so I didn't see that story.
Oh, I love tabloid television!
Joke Question: What do you call a woman who pays more attention to her
computer than her husband?
Joke Answer: An Infomaniac!
Actually I just happened to be home that afternoon, I'm ususally at work
when it comes on.
I truly believe that if more people watched this stuff there would be
less divorce. If people watched, they would say "Gee my problems aren't
so bad!"
But this is off topic. (Hey what are those bright lights in the east
when I'm waking up! Ah shucks, jes, two planets.)
Regards,
K
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From: Bruce.Johnson@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bruce Johnson)
Subject: Re: Micap
Date: 6 Oct 91 23:08:00 GMT
MC> Have your friend netmail me at 104/422 in Fidonet. I will
MC> be happy to get him an application and get him hooked in.
MC>
MC> Thanks,
MC>
MC> Mike
Mike, I am sorry to say, Allen Roberts does Not have access to FIDO.
He runs GT power COMM software and is on a different net, he says.
Does this mean he can't (sob) be on Paranet?? <g>
Perhaps I can receive something for him by FAX or he can phone, or
something. I am really kind of new to all this FIDO/net stuff.
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From: Kurt.Lochner@f22.n14766.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Kurt Lochner)
Subject: Richard Hoagland's Face on Mars
Date: 4 Oct 91 11:40:08 GMT
To: ncar!wrs.com!davidj
Date: 4 Oct 91
In the following, I must add....
>
> In order to completely realize the possible truth of
> the material presented
> in his discussions, you should understand tetrahedral
> geometry and it's
-------------------abridged for sanity------------
> addition, 12 is a fundamental aspect of this system.
> Richard Hoagland used
> two universal constants and their ratio, in order to
> substantiate his claims.
> These two numbers are pi (3.14) and e, the base of
> natural logarithms
> (2.72), and the resulting ratio: e/pi ~= 0.865.
It's 2.718281828 with 12 mantissa points, so bear with me,
I do have a very sensible point to make with this figure.
>
> For instance. it you take the slope of the Great
> Pyramid in Egypt, and
> divide it by the 60 degrees, it's top angle, you get
> 0.865. This is
No, that pyramid has a slope of 51.85, with the .85
from the 51 minutes (eg 51/60 = 0.85), thus 51.85/60
is equal to 0.8641666667, close but wait, there's more.
> is equivalent to 687 Earth days. The Fibonacci spiral is a tetrahedral
> mathematic. Follow the numbers and follow the logic.....
>
I can't address that right now, we'll have to hit the
library at the college for that particular item.
> The Egyptian Pyramids are made of calcium carbonate which has an internal
> structure that is exactly like the structure of the pyramid (in Egypt) itself.
This holds some promise, I'll talk to the physical chemist
about this one. I can browse his books to verify this.
>
> The land forms found on Mars are NOT those done by Nature. The angles formed
> by the pyramids are impossible for nature to create.
Whoa! What about the calcium carbonate molecules just
mentioned after the 20000 books written? I'm purposely
trying to dump on this premise as I have read Sitchen's
book, "The Twelfth Planet", and found it extremely
interesting.
> There are too many variations on the e/pi constant. Even the latitude on
> Mars where the city/ face/pyramid are found is a function of e/pi.
This is quite a bit like Bruce Cathey's geomancy, which I
also find to make no mathematical "sense" and I attribute
much of this approach to the truncation/rounding-off errors
that one might not suspect of hand-held calculators. While
the numbers appear "close enough for government work", I do
not accept the accuracy of such equipment for my own work,
which includes engineering and physics homework of the last
eight years of my life.
> He spent several hours creating an exquisite mathematical trail showing that
> the pyramid on Mars, the pyramid at Gizeh and, co-equivalently, the Sphinx in
> Egypt, are all more than 200,000 years old. More specifically, about 217,000
> +/- 15,000 years.
No doubt, it does appear close, I will admit, though I would
expect more of a predominance of irrational numbers such as
the square root of two to "go along with" pi, e and the
like.
> It is impossible for me to go into all the details,
Yeah, I would write the same, guess I'll have to get the
tapes of this event so that everyone can enjoy reading a
"eating my words now" post from this humble physicist.
> Carl Sagan and Richard Hoagland used to be friends. In public, Sagan says
> that this information is nonsense, but in private, he says something quite
> different.
>
That's because Sagan has championed the cause of Science as
a national goal of literacy. While that is to be admired in
itself, Carl is something of an embarrassment to the
scientific community for his lack of scientific/educational
accumen with the phrase "billions and billions".
> Richard indicated that he will read anything that will bring him even 1
> data point closer to the Truth.
>
Good! Send him this post, and that I would like to
congratulate the both of you for such a thought provoking
effort to examine some of the possibilities.
> * COMING NEXT: My discussions with Wendelle Stevens
> regarding Grey *
> * aliens from the Reticulum Star cluster and
> his playing of a *
> * cassette tape of the sounds of one of their
> space ships. *
>
Might I tell you about the sound being somewhat easily
fabricated on a polyphonic sampling keyboard?
Gas Music from Jupiter, indeed!
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From: Vladimir.Godic@f7.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Vladimir Godic)
Subject: (none)
Date: 6 Oct 91 05:49:00 GMT
> rule the world.
> 'At the last, those who survive will at every chance newly
> proclaim God and His glory and they will serve Him as when the world
> was not so perverted.
That's fine but can anyone tell me why is God so concerened with THIS
planet and wants to punish it. What's the difference between planet
Earth and other planets in the Universe? Will they be "punished" too?
We seem to give too much importance to this planet. Oh how I wish we
could meet grey guys so they can tell us what's this all about. That's
providing they know more than we do.
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From: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Keith Basterfield)
Subject: Doug and Dave
Date: 5 Oct 91 17:33:00 GMT
I was intrigued to see, in the Doug and Dave saga, that the pair were
reported to have been inspired in their UK crop circle hoax, by:- a)
(Time magazine 23/9/91) "... by reports of flying saucer
sightings, and recalling crop circles created by tractors by
Australian farmers several years earlier, they decided to flatten
some corn to make it appear that a UFO had landed." b) (my memory of a
TV item here) one of the pair being from Australia?
Naturally, we'd be interested to know more about the alleged Australian
connection. So, has anyone come across further information on the
Aussie link? We'd be happy to follow it up for everyone.
When most people outside of Australia, talk of "saucer nests" or "crop
circles" they refer to the Jan 1966 discovery/report at Tully,
Queensland. George Pedley, was startled to see a blue-grey saucer with
no portholes, antenna or signs of life, rise from a lagoon area,
making a hissing sound. It rose vertically at speed, slowed down at 20
metres altitude, then left to the south-west. Inspection of the area
revealed a circle of dead reeds, floating on the lagoon surface,
swirled in a clockwise direction and of 10 metres diameter. No
satisfactory explanation has ever been forthcoming. An excellent
outline of the case, written by Bill Chalker, is to be found in Story,
R. (1980), "The Encyclopedia of UFOs", New English Library, pages
370-371, together with a small picture of the trace.
PS Thanks to Linda Bird for supplying a copy of the Time article.
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From: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Keith Basterfield)
Subject: Belgium
Date: 6 Oct 91 17:46:00 GMT
Jim, The May/June 1991 issue of the IUR featured a lengthy article by
Auguste Meessen, Professor of Physics, Catholic University, Louvain.
(Belgium?). The article mentions Meessen is fluent in German-did I see
Clark Matthews posting German the other day? Auguste talks of "We have
even been able to study in detail material from both military and
civilian ground radar screens." Auguste is a member of SOBEPS.
Perhaps you could, through Clark direct some inquiries to Meessen?
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From: ncar!afglsc.span.nasa.gov!webb
Subject: (none)
Date: 9 Oct 91 15:33:01 GMT
From: webb@afglsc.span.nasa.gov
To: Sheldon Wernikoff
I will put a copy of Pritchard's implant article in the mail today. Forget
the costs. His paper does not deal directly with the Price case. My
comments on that come from conversations with Dave. Basically what he was
saying about the penile material was that its material construction was
not dissimilar to either man-made or naturally-occurring materials on Earth,
and therefore by itself cannot provide proof of alien technology.
Other than that you should talk with him.
On another topic: The July MUFON J. issue has a letter from Paul Fuller
criticizing an earlier letter from George Wingfield. In it Paul, a supporter
of the Meadon wind theory for the crop circles, refers to your work creating
'...repeatedly created ...five equidistant vortices...' in the lab. He says
Meadon discusses your work in his latest book and Paul uses your's and
Ohtsuki's results as support for Meadon's theory. I remember some discussion
of this in Paranet. Have you published your results? Do you have something
in writing that you could send me? Finally, do you really believe that
Meadon's theory 'holds water'? Wind vortices could create some of the
hundreds of circles reported but it seems unlikely to be the answer for all.
Fuller refers to a bunch of circumstantial reports of observations of wind
vortices creating circles 'in broad daylight'! Are these reports true and,
if so, why haven't they been published somewhere? Of course, Meadon merely
says that those circles that can't be explained by his theory (such as the
pictograms) are hoaxes and now has the 60-year old hoaxers to 'prove it'.
Fuller's point is that the phenomena has not changed that much through the
eighties in that most of the circles are just that; also even multiple
separate circles and concentric circles can be explained by Meadon's theory.
Even that seems to be stretching the wind vortex theory. I look forward to
your comments (or those of anyone else who wants to jump in). Dave
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From: ncar!afglsc.span.nasa.gov!webb
Subject: Article
Date: 9 Oct 91 15:33:14 GMT
From: webb@afglsc.span.nasa.gov
To: Keith Basterfield. I am sending Sheldon a copy of Pritchard's paper. I
would also echo his request and ask you for a copy of the FPP article you
refered to. I am unaware of that journal in our library. Hopefully I can
provide you something in return later. I am still playing with HumCat and
hope to send you an Australian listing soon.
Thanks, Dave
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From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Phobos/Deimos Densities
Date: 9 Oct 91 16:20:00 GMT
> From: Paul Carr <CARR@ASTRO.dnet.ge.com>
> There was recently a quote from R. Hoagland stating that the moons
> of Mars are hollow. I decided to inquire of them who knbow their
> planetary astronomy stuff, and received the following message from
> Dr. VanFlandern on CI$. I have some other files by this same
> scientist if anyone is interested - he has put forward some
> alternative cosmological ideas which may interest paranet subscribers.
Paul:
Anything you can do to encourage Dr. Van Flandern to join us directly on
ParaNet would be greatly appreciated. Tom is one of the pre-eminent
planetologists in the world, and has exhibited a surprising amount of
open-mindedness on the UFO subject, despite his basic skepticism.
Jim
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From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Belgium
Date: 9 Oct 91 16:30:00 GMT
> Jim, The May/June 1991 issue of the IUR featured a lengthy article by
> Auguste Meessen, Professor of Physics, Catholic University, Louvain.
> (Belgium?). The article mentions Meessen is fluent in German-did I see
> Clark Matthews posting German the other day? Auguste talks of "We have
> even been able to study in detail material from both military and
> civilian ground radar screens." Auguste is a member of SOBEPS. Perhaps
> you could, through Clark direct some inquiries to Meessen?
Its my understanding that efforts are underway, as we speak, to "hook in" to
the Free University in Brussels. When and if that happens, I'm sure we will be
able to communicate in one language or another. And I'm sure Clark will be
happy to translate, nicht wahr? <Gezundheit!>
Jim
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From: ncar!ucs.usl.edu!pgwres01
Subject: Mail mail mail...
Date: 9 Oct 91 19:34:26 GMT
From: Fraering Philip G <pgwres01@ucs.usl.edu>
How does one go about mailing the people on Paranet from
the internet? I've been trying to mail a couple people, using
both the INTERNET and UUCP address, to no avail...
I guess science just hasn't proven that y'all exist, or something.
Prob. just a conspiracy to clog up the net :-)
Phil Fraering
pgwres01@ucs.usl.edu
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Belgium
Date: 9 Oct 91 23:29:00 GMT
Keith,
Meessen is on the Internet. Perhaps you could compose a letter for him,
have Vlad netmail it to me and I will send it through channels to get a
response?
Mike
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Re: Micap
Date: 10 Oct 91 00:59:00 GMT
> Mike, I am sorry to say, Allen Roberts does Not have access to FIDO.
> He runs GT power COMM software and is on a different net, he says.
> Does this mean he can't (sob) be on Paranet?? <g>
>
> Perhaps I can receive something for him by FAX or he can phone, or
> something. I am really kind of new to all this FIDO/net stuff.
Have him give me a voice call at 303-431-8796. I will be glad to discuss this
with him.
Mike
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From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: ogden object
Date: 10 Oct 91 02:56:00 GMT
Hi Jim,
Nothing more known about the O.O. at the moment. The writing on the
Object is said to be microscopic, yet a sample of it turned out to be
gibberish (altho it did look Arabic).
We're still waiting for Peggy Noonan to get here pictures...
Linda
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From: Clark.Matthews@p1.f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Dein Deutch
Date: 9 Oct 91 10:45:00 GMT
LB> Well, your German translation was "sehr gut." I'll be posting
LB> another ufology quiz and we'll see how you do!
Well, I can but try. Me & my dictionary will do our best. Then I'll have M.
Blavatsky polish the result. (I cheat)
Best,
Clark
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From: Clark.Matthews@p1.f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Clark's New Business...
Date: 9 Oct 91 10:48:00 GMT
LB> Good business, actually...could sell to schools, universities,
LB> private collectors...
Actually, yes. There's a store on the Upper West Side called Maxilla &
Mandible that sells plaster casts of fossil skeletons and they do a land-office
business!
Anyone know where I can get an ostrich?
Cheap?
Best,
Clark
PS -- Female only, please
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From: Clark.Matthews@f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)
Subject: timeshifting UFOs
Date: 9 Oct 91 23:21:00 GMT
> From: ncar!UNHH.UNH.EDU!K_MACARTHUR1
> Date: 7 Oct 91 23:13:02 GMT
> Message-ID: <15090@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM>
> Newsgroups: info.paranet
>
> From: K_MACARTHUR1@UNHH.UNH.EDU
> If time was being manipulated on a localized volume
> of space to achieve
> certain effects (bending light, overcoming inertia, etc.),
> then the rest of the
> environment feels those effects.
Hi Korac,
Absolutely correct, but the range of the effects is open to
dispute. It depends on how "localized" the time-field is and
what is going on inside it (which determines what radiates from
it). These are imponderables -- we can barely imagine such a
technology, let alone predict its range or flexibility. We can,
however, extrapolate some of its effects.
I'm fascinated by the soil samples, scorched asphalt, "sunburn",
and "instant cataracts" left behind by these craft. But the
difficulty seems to be in obtaining highly reputable samples and
making sense of the effects. Some effects are highly tertiary,
e.g.: human effects. The distinctive burns on the Cash/Landrum
witnesses and on Stephan Michalek in Ontario only lasted 5-6
weeks, and we are left with secondard physiological effects:
cancers, recurrent "stigmata", etc.
Still, we can get some idea of the processes involved by
examining soil samples & plants, with their distinctive cellular
breakdowns, stunted growth/gigantism, and the crystalline,
hydrophobic nature of UFO-radiated soil.
I hear that one fellow has come close to duplicating the
crystalline, hydrophobic soil of "genuine" UFO circles. After
several months of trying different techniques, he simply
"nuked" normal soil/humus in a microwave oven for about 2
hours!!! He got barren, crystalline, water-resistant soil
incapable of recovering itself or supporting plant growth.
> If the timeshifting was truly localized,
> and nothing outside
> of a certain volume was affected, I would think that
> everything within that
> volume would be hidden from view, like an event horizon or
> something. I agree
> that nobody is expert on this sort of thing (that I know
> of, anyway), so I may
> be just speculating about fiction.
Right, exasperating, isn't it? Plus you commented later that no
one has any expertise on the phenomenon -- there's a fellow out
of Austin who has worked the theoretical end of this for 25
years. I'll make his equations available to you if you know some
math/physics geeks who can take the time to analyse them.
Best,
Clark
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From: Clark.Matthews@f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Bentwaters, timeshifts
Date: 9 Oct 91 23:43:00 GMT
> Now, the question is, what is causing the time-shifting?
> Why would shifting time change the buoyancy of an object?
> The only way I can think of a localized time-shift being
> created is with some sort of gravitation effect.
Ah -- but what if gravity is a function of *time*???
Eg: what if mass is a function of time? Or matter itself, for
that matter?
Best,
Clark
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From: Clark.Matthews@f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Dan Casolaro
Date: 10 Oct 91 05:00:00 GMT
> Can anyone illuminate this further? I'm also studying
> Inslaw, the
> Casolaro murder, and the October Surprise (Where WAS
> George ?)
>
Hi Steve, pleased to make your acquaintance. I can't shed TOO
much light on INSLAW and Dan Casolaro but it is a very
interesting case. I agree: where there's light, there's often
heat.
Have you seen this week's Village Voice? The feature article
illuminates this very subject. Also I recommend checking the
index to Barron's Financial Magazine for this year for an
excellent sidebar on INSLAW and the court cases. The article
appeared in Spring/Summer. Dow Jones has a good investigative
team but they rarely stray into mainstream journalism. I
think Alan Abelson may have written the article, but I don't
have it handy & can't check just now.
Isn't Ed Meese a swell guy? The U.S. Attorney General who
brought us Operation Sun Devil aids/abets/encourages software
piracy by his cronies. Then he sabotages the program's true
authors while he helps tout the product to secret police from
Israel to So. Korea to the Tonton Macoutes. And the kicker:
The Meeseware has a bug that lets the Justice [sic] Dept., CIA,
and anyone else [who is properly equipped] dial into it and dump
the system data from each secret police organization directly
into their own computers.
Guess it's that *dang* New World Order thing. I'm old dog &
have difficulty thinking in these imaginative new ways...
Watch yourself. My BBS: 201-451-5583, Fido 1:107/816.0.
Best,
Clark [not dead either]
PS -- Have you tried the Christics?
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Mail Mail Mail...
Date: 10 Oct 91 12:20:00 GMT
> From: ncar!ucs.usl.edu!pgwres01
> Date: 9 Oct 91 19:34:26 GMT
> Message-ID: <15150@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM>
> Newsgroups: info.paranet
>
> From: Fraering Philip G <pgwres01@ucs.usl.edu>
>
>
> How does one go about mailing the people on Paranet from
> the internet? I've been trying to mail a couple people, using
> both the INTERNET and UUCP address, to no avail...
>
> I guess science just hasn't proven that y'all exist, or something.
> Prob. just a conspiracy to clog up the net :-)
>
We are in the process of working out the logistics of this problem. In the
meantime, mail your net message to <User.Name>@paranet.org. I will see that
it is routed correctly while we get the system set up for this. Please do not
mail to the fidonet.org address as all mail going there is very unreliable.
Michael Corbin
Director
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Re: Ogden Object
Date: 10 Oct 91 12:26:00 GMT
> Nothing more known about the O.O. at the moment. The writing on the
> Object is said to be microscopic, yet a sample of it turned out to be
> gibberish (altho it did look Arabic).
>
> We're still waiting for Peggy Noonan to get here pictures...
>From the Rocky Mountain News, October 9, 1991, Page 30 ...
"As the first truckload of high-level radioactive waste brought to Idaho in
more than two years was being unloaded Tuesday, American Indians joined the
state's fight to bar more than 200 more shipments to Idaho National
Engineering Laboratory. Shipments of radioactive waste from the
decommissioned Fort St. Vrain nuclear plant in Platteville [Colorado] resumed
Saturday, Tribal Council member Marvin Osborne said the Department of Energy
was formally advised that future shipments will violate Shoshone-Bannock law
until the government finances a hazardous-material transportation safety
program on the Fort Hall Reservation. The main route to the Idaho lab cuts
through the reservation."
So, on the map, this places the Indian reservation very near to Pocatello,
Idaho. This story also verifies that the DOE is working to dump nuclear waste
into a hole which could be our suspected site for the O.O. I have contacted
Peggy by voice and given her this information. At least part of the story is
verified.
Mike
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