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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 490
Wednesday, October 16th 1991
Today's Topics:
Linda Howe Doumentary
Re: Goodies
Re: ogden object
Re: Did you get my message
Re: Belgium
Re: BENTWATER,UK ON UNSOLVED MYSTE
BITNET skeptics
'fantasy-susceptibility and...'
Erol Torun/DMA
Re: WEIRD NIGHT ON HALLOWEEN
Re: BENTWATER,UK ON UNSOLVED MYSTE
Re: BALL LIGHTNING
Re: Micap
Re: Micap
Re: Dr. Fredrick Bell
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From: ncar!hpvclmd.vcd.hp.com!miked
Subject: Linda Howe Doumentary
Date: 14 Oct 91 19:38:36 GMT
From: Mike Dobbs <miked@hpvclmd.vcd.hp.com>
The FOX network will air Linda Moulton Howes new documentary this
Friday night (Oct 18) at 9:00 EDT/PDT. It is called:
The UFO Report: Sightings.
It will last one hour.
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Mike Dobbs / Internet: miked@vcd.hp.com
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From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Goodies
Date: 15 Oct 91 03:39:00 GMT
Hi Keith,
I'm so glad my things got to you safe and sound. I'm looking
forward to what you are sending, and will share it with interested
people here "on top."
Regarding Strieber, I wonder if he really was abducted or just
thought he was (fantasy). Or if he was stressed out, then abducted
because of the stress. I take it you think he is more fantasy-prone.
(You might know of our hearing in the U.S, Senate with a Supreme Court
nominee - Clarence Thomas? And how he is being accused of sexual
harrassment? There is a lot of speculation that his lady accuser is
fantasy-prone.) Intersting theories.
I'll post again when I get your articles. Thanks so much and I
look forward to seeing them.
Best,
Linda
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From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: ogden object
Date: 15 Oct 91 04:04:00 GMT
Hi Jim,
Glad you got my drawings of the Ogden Object. One of the posters on
this BBS, Curtiss Hahn, offered to have his multi-languaged
father-in-law try to decipher the writing on the O.O. That gentleman,
was able to read individual letters (for example, gljs) but said there
did not appear to be actual words or any type of message in that
writing sample I sent.{ Thus, it is "gibberish." Which is what my
messages are looking like tonight with all this line noise!! I'm
having to clean up the lines every few minutes...
See ya,
Linda
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From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Did you get my message
Date: 15 Oct 91 04:40:00 GMT
Hi!
Just copied your address, and will get out some articles to you this
week. I'll include my address on the envelope. Anything you wish to
send will be gladly received, and I'll share it.
Many thanks,
Linda
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From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Belgium
Date: 15 Oct 91 04:54:00 GMT
Hi Jim,
In spite of Loren's being a skeptic, he is fluent in German, and I'm
sure will help with any translating here in Arizona. That MAY be how
we'll hook him on our side!! <:-)
Linda
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From: Clark.Matthews@f8.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Re: BENTWATER,UK ON UNSOLVED MYSTE
Date: 14 Oct 91 11:50:00 GMT
PP>Time delay, and shadow distortion? Very difficult because
PP>time is universal.
Yes, absolutely, Pete! Let's assume that time is universal -- I'll even
give you Hawking's proofs in his superstring theories that time's arrow is
real (e.g.: time can only go in one direction: into the future).
But is time a universal *constant*? Is its rate of change (progress) the
same everywhere in the universe? What proofs do we have for this
assumption? Following onto this, if time is *not* a universal constant, how
granular can "time-flow zones" be? (E.g.: Does the Andromeda galaxy go
"faster" than ours? Does the center of our own galaxy go slower than we do?
Could "different time" be confined to an area as small as a star system? A
planet? A moon? A city block? Your basement?)
People used to think that "constant time" was the case: They would point
to rates of radioactive decay and other physical processes as proof that
time's rate of progress is universal.
But Quantum work has completely confounded these assumptions. Instead of
time (and the physical processes) progressing at a regular, predictable
pace, things seem to happen more on a probability basis. In fact, Zeno's
paradox seems to apply in many cases (unless someone's looking, in which
case things happen on schedule). Could it be that Zeno drives a starship?
Or at least makes them work?? Could it be that the secret of
interdimensional travel is for everyone to look the other way?? :-)
'Way back when I was in High School and taking A.P. Physics [and Einstein
had just published his Theory of Special Relativity :-) ] I remember
thinking how odd it was that time was a constant in the equations. Einstein
had assumed that he had proven that lightspeed (c) could not be exceeded.
In my ignorance, it seemed to me that a variable rate of *time* could
account for faster-than-light (FTL) travel. Such a variation in time-flow
could also possibly reconcile FTL travel with the inevitable time-distortion
effects (e.g.: true FTL travel would allow people to fly away and come back
before they left!!!)
I'm ill-equipped to flesh out this proposition, let alone offer proofs, but
I'm still asking why *not*???
Moreover, if "the fundamental rules" don't apply / as time goes by " could
this have implications for *other* so-called universal constants? Like
gravity?
Just wondering...
Best,
Clark
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Subject: BITNET skeptics
Date: 15 Oct 91 18:31:46 GMT
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From: Clark.Matthews@p1.f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)
Subject: 'fantasy-susceptibility and...'
Date: 15 Oct 91 21:44:00 GMT
nc> Well, what about 'fantasy-prone' people that don't see UFO's? I
nc> think I might be 'fantasy-prone,' and I do like to think I have
nc> an overactive imagination, but I've seen nothing, have no mysterious
nc> gaps in my memory (except for some parts of high school, but that
nc> has a more mundane explanation :-), ...
Hi Phil. I think you're right about this. Fantasy-proneness and imagination
are too different things entirely, in my opinion.
Imagination is just that: imagination. An imaginative person is *always*
aware that his/her imaginings are just that.
A fantasy-prone person is *unable* to make that distinction. In fact, with a
few exceptions, fantasies tend to be *much* less inventive than active
imaginings, don't you think? In fact, actual fantasies (where the person has
no control over the fantasies) often develop a boring "sameness" as the
delusion spreads. I mean, LOOK at all the people who claim to have grown up in
Satanic cults, where they were *forced* to become "breeders", etc., etc. It's
almost like these sad types infect one another with almost identical delusions
(and I believe that virtually all of the "Satanist" maunderings are wholly
delusional). But these people pick these little scenarios up from one another
almost by osmosis, as if they were giving each other the flu.
'Way back in the 1880s and 1890s -- before Freud reinvented the whole field and
cloaked it with a veneer of opportunism and greed -- psychiatrists were always
MDs, and they were often called "alienists". I.e.: They tried to sort out the
ravings and pronouncements of people who were "alienated" from life's
mainstream. Maybe it's time to revive the term "alienist", at least for our
own specialized field? :-)
Freud, of course, repackaged classical mythology into a rubric designed for
agnostics -- then he dropped the price tag and encouraged twice-weekly visits,
to build a volume business. Add a few (completely false) claims that he could
cure schizophrenia, and he was in business!
Best,
Clark
PS -- I've always retained a soft spot for the work of the other folks in
Vienna in the 1880s. They were already exploring brain chemistry as an
explanation for mental illness, and Freud set the study back about 70 years.
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From: Clark.Matthews@p1.f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Erol Torun/DMA
Date: 15 Oct 91 22:06:00 GMT
nc> + Earl Torun. Torun does work for the Defense Mapping Agency, my
nc> + heavan, must be CIA, DIA, FBI, NSA, NRO, etc. Take your pick.
nc> Don, if Erol (not 'Earl') is an intelligence agent, I'm Mickey
nc> Mouse. Get to know him sometime. Might even make a fine interview
nc> for the magazine. And while you're at it you might apologize to him
nc> for having posted such an outrageous accusation. His civilian
nc> employment at the DMA is incidental to his independent work on the
nc> Cydonia math.
If I may intrude here, Dan, it seems to me to be highly unlikely that Mr.
Torun's work at the Defense Mapping Agency would put him in direct contact with
highly secret mapping data, probably the SATINT provided by the satellites of
the NRO. I have no problem at all with this, because it seems to me that this
sort of work is one of the most legitimate applications of military
intelligence. If Mr. Torun does such work for DMA (and it sure sounds like he
does in some capacity), he probably helped to save the lives of thousands of
Allied soldiers and Iraqi civilians by ensuring that our forces didn't get
lost in the desert and our Tomahawk missiles and F-117As flew true and hit the
right targets.
Anyway, unless/until the DMA is charged with sending cruise missiles thru the
bedroom windows of ParaNet hub operators [to ensure tranquility in the New
World Order? :-)] I think we should be glad they did their jobs so well. As
for the rest of the permanent Intelligence community, I continue to think that
they are potentially more dangerous to our own liberties than they are to most
of our adversaries.
4 what it's worth...
Clark
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From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: WEIRD NIGHT ON HALLOWEEN
Date: 14 Oct 91 15:23:11 GMT
Let me guess, Wisconsin is not one of those states? I tried last week, and
found nothing. Maybe I can get up a long wire and see if it's out there?
Sounds interesting.
Doing and research at this time?
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From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: BENTWATER,UK ON UNSOLVED MYSTE
Date: 14 Oct 91 15:34:28 GMT
I think I should give up on this, but people stating their own shadows were
delayed, does not relate to the object being in a different plane or time,
the shadow is still in this time. To have a delay would me the delay occurs
between the object casting the shadow and the object projecting the shadow.
At 1/1000 reduction in speed the shadow would show no delay since it's
traveling at 186 miles per second. Move it to 1/10,000 the speed of light and
it's still 18.6 miles per second, which turns out to be roughly 66,960 miles
per hour. To go just one step further to 1.8 mps, it's still over 6,000 miles
an hour.
Where does all that energy come from in a few feet, and wouldn't you think
the people standing that close to it would be fast fried by some sort of
energy radiation?
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From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: BALL LIGHTNING
Date: 14 Oct 91 15:48:47 GMT
Yes I saw ball lightning once in my life. Summer of 1970 while watching a
storm out of a second floor picture window. I was a student and had an
apartment on the edge of town. The window faced south-west over a parking lot
and to the west across the street was a farm. The storms around here come in
fast, and most are from the west, so watching thunder storms can be
interesting...
The ball lightning (if that's what I really saw?) was after a close strike,
where upon a ball of light somewhere between a softball and basketball size,
rolled across a power wire a few feet, down the pole itself, and across the
ground about two feet. It sort of spun like a top a couple of seconds, or
less, and vanished. It was decaying in size, and if you know what a top looks
like as it is losing energy, that would be the type of spin. I would estimate
from memory that the whole event lasted 4 seconds at most.
I remember it well because I had heard of ball lightning and was quite
amused to have seen something that appeared to be the real thing. Oh yes
color was about what you would expect from a candle, yellowish with white
edges. No sound to note. It was during a heavy storm, with rain, so I could
not hear anything if it had made a noise. Just a ball of electricity taking a
short route, and disappearing.
The size may actually have been smaller, since light tends to make things
look bigger under dark skys. Anyway, it was a surprise.
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From: Bruce.Johnson@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bruce Johnson)
Subject: Re: Micap
Date: 15 Oct 91 04:19:00 GMT
Steve,
<g> Duh, I don't know why he doesn't just call, in fact I believe he
does occasionally call, but mentioned to mesomething about how neat
it would be to get the echo 'live'. I am a mere babe in the woods in
this FIDO, net, stuff.
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From: Bruce.Johnson@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bruce Johnson)
Subject: Re: Micap
Date: 15 Oct 91 04:21:01 GMT
MC>
MC> Have him give me a voice call at 303-431-8796. I will be
MC> glad to discuss this with him.
MC>
MC> Mike
MC>
MC> --- FD 1.99c
MC> * Origin: ParaNet -- Leading UFO Research Network
MC> (1:104/428.0)
Great, Mike, I presume this means there is hope for him getting his
board on the echos or something...
He said he did call once and got a rrecordin.
Thanks so much.
-B
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From: Vladimir.Godic@f7.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Vladimir Godic)
Subject: Re: Dr. Fredrick Bell
Date: 13 Oct 91 07:34:00 GMT
> CM> Bell says that the USA and the so-called Grey aliens work together and
> CM> intend to ignite Jupiter and use it as a second Sun. [Andre adds that
> CM> whatever this may mean, he has it from a second source in Gulf Breeze,
>
>
> Hmmm...somebody there show him a copy of "2010"? ;-)
There was a "prediction", about 25 years ago that Jupiter will became
a second Sun in our solar system. As we all know this has not yet
happened (and I don't think it will) - most of those so called
"predictions" just don't seem to work out.
Have you heard this before and do you see any connection with Bell's
statement Steve?
Vlad
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