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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 484
Saturday, October 5th 1991
Today's Topics:
Ham Radio Voiceover
Re: ogden object
Re: Your bbs's number
Re: Ufology Quiz #2
Re: Bentwater,Uk On Unsolved Mysteries
Re: Tesla & Hungarian
Re: Micap
Re: Micap
Re: Tesla & Hungarian
Re: Bentwater,Uk On Unsolved Mysteries
(none)
Third Prophecy of Fatima Revealed
Re: Implants
Frederik Bell
question?
Bentwater,Uk On Unsolved Mysteries
Implants
Belgium Videotapes
Re: Ufology Quiz #2
Re: Uncritical Thinking About The Lazar Material
I'm still here
VISIT / NASA / CONSPIRACIES
Visit / Nasa / Conspiracies
Re: Upcoming Shows
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From: ncar!apple.com!well!gmz
Subject: Ham Radio Voiceover
Date: 2 Oct 91 05:39:13 GMT
From: well!gmz@apple.com (Gerry Zeitlin)
Yes, anyone (depending on license class) can jump in and
transmit over the NASA broadcast. Whether or not their
transmission will be heard at any given receiving point;
whether it will sound like the original transmission;
whether or not it will generate a heterodyne or severe
distortion is problematical, depending on type of modulation
used, propagation conditions, relative locations of the
two transmitters, relative transmitter power levels, etc.
In other words, this is not a simple explanation, and it
could be a red herring.
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gerry zeitlin gmz@well.sf.ca.us
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From: ncar!amix.commodore.com!vanth!jms
Subject: Re: ogden object
Date: 2 Oct 91 05:42:01 GMT
From: vanth!jms@amix.commodore.com (Jim Shaffer)
To: Linda Bird
This is the other Jim <grin>. You say people have identified it as a
tunnel borer? A man-made tunnel borer, I hope! (But then why has nobody
claimed ownership of it (or *them*, I should say), and what's all this
about unidentified writing?)
--
* From the disk of: | jms@vanth.uucp | I'm in a groove now
Jim Shaffer, Jr. | uunet!cbmvax!amix!vanth!jms | -- or is it a rut?
37 Brook Street | jms%vanth@amix.commodore.com |
Montgomery, PA 17752 | 72750.2335@compuserve.com | (Rush, 'Face Up')
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From: Rick.Moen@f27.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Rick Moen)
Subject: Re: Your bbs's number
Date: 13 Sep 91 06:29:01 GMT
> Hi, Rick. I am a caller from New York State who has been interested in
> psi and related disciplines for many years, and I have a good friend
> who lives in San Francisco who would love to get the ParaNet feed that
> I get in New York. Could you please give me the number of your BBS, as
> well as any other relevant electronic addresses, so that my friend
> could access your board? He has a Macintosh Classic with a 1200 baud
> modem. Do you anticipate any problems with such a configuration
> gaining access and is your board a subscription board? If it is, what
> are your fees?
Joe --
Sorry about the delay in getting back to you on this. I haven't been
reading here often, of late.
There are absolutely no fees required for full access to ParaNet <sm>
Alpha Centauri, and your Mac-using friend is welcome. However, I'll
have to register him manually, since my board now disallows new 1200
bps callers. (2400 bps modems are really incredibly cheap, and quicklyr
repay the expense in better access, lower frustration, and lower 'phone
bills.) Please ask your friend to call my home number and leave his
desired sign-on name, desired password, and 'phone number in case
there's any need for a call-back. I'm at 415-570-5998 (VOICE!).
The board (!!) is at 415-648-8944, and will be a local call for your
friend. It's reachable by e-mail at ParaNet 9:1012/2, FidoNet 1:125/27,
and RBBS-Net 8:914/207. By Internet, it can be reached at the Unix
renditions of any of the preceding addresses, such as Your_Name@f207.
n914.z8.rbbs-net.org Since I'm Secretary of Bay Area Skeptics and a
member of the CSICOP Electronic Communications Subcommittee, much
activity on the board concerns that, but I make a studied effort at
diversity of views, all of which are welcome. (For that matter, the
same can be said of Bay Area Skeptics.)
I hope this helps!
Best Regards,
Rick Moen
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From: Clark.Matthews@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Re: Ufology Quiz #2
Date: 1 Oct 91 20:07:00 GMT
LB> "I've been flying now for 44 years, and I'm the last guy
LB>that's going to say I don't believe they're [UFO's] up
LB>there. I've never seen one, but when Air Force pilots,
LB>Navy pilots, Airline pilots tell me they see something come
LB>up on their wing that wasn't an airplane, I have to believe
LB>them."
Hmmm ... let me make an inspired guess: Barry Goldwater?
Best,
Clark
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From: Clark.Matthews@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Re: Bentwater,Uk On Unsolved Mysteries
Date: 1 Oct 91 20:22:00 GMT
DS>"Wallace and the men with him walked around the object and
DS>noticed an interesting effect. Their own shadows were cast
DS>onto the object, probably by the bright "light-alls" in the
DS>field. Not only did their shadows bend upwards at the
DS>head, but as they walked and the stopped, the shadows would
DS>appear to advance one pace more and then stop."
DS> -Clear Intent by Lawrence Fawcett and Barry
Hi Don. This is not the only observation of this localized time-shifting
phenomenon.
There was a CE-II in the late 1950s/early '60s in which the observers saw an
Adamski-like disk, complete with some kind of control cabin on top that had
two portholes (on the side that they could see). The inside of the object
was lit, and they saw shadows moving thru the portholes. Now, get this: as
the disk maneuvered it shifted color, and as it shifted color, the movement
of the shadows/silouettes through the portholes either froze or sped up to
cartoon-like swiftness! You should excuse the expression, but the
occupants' shadows sometimes looked pixilated (a fine old word, which means
"taken over by pixies").
The simplest explanation is a localized time-shift around the UFO. This
accounts for the color shift, the changes of buoyancy of the object (by
shifting time, an object of solid metal can become lighter than air and
float like a balloon), *and the oddly discontinuous rate of activity by the
occupants of the thing, whoever they were.*
A localized time shift mechanism can also account for observations like:
* Right-angle turns at 1200 knots (they're really very conventional turns at
a UFO time-local speed of 25 knots, accellerated 50 times by a time-shift)
* UFOs that appear out of nowhere (they were there all along, but with local
time accellerated to the point that the object becomes superdense and *bends
light around it*. Result: invisibility.
* UFOs that vanish into thin air (reverse the above process).
I may be the only person who thinks this (and I may be wrong), but Robert
Lazar's "frozen candle" would *exactly describe* the type of localized,
time-shifted field required to explain UFO performance characteristics and
"magic".
Best,
Clark
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From: Clark.Matthews@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Re: Tesla & Hungarian
Date: 1 Oct 91 20:48:00 GMT
LB>Hi Clark,
LB>
LB>You should go into show biz!!
Hello Leeen-da. I've been considering it, times are so bad here in the
east.
Now that I think about it, I could put together a touring lecture where I'd
do my usual hypnotic regressions and channel my friends Madame Blavatsky,
Bonny Prince Charlie, and a cute little Pleidian named Menenlia Svelta.
At the conclusion of the lecture, I'm even considering offering some pieces
from my collection of rare artifacts given to me by the distasteful
Reticulan time-travelers. These include bronzed Mastodon droppings direct
from ancient Mastodon mutes. They look very similar to crispy cow pies
(but they're rather larger and tastefully bronzed!). Suitable for
mounting for proud display: $129.95. On walnut wall plaque, $149.95. VISA,
MasterCard & Discover accepted. NY, NJ and CT residents add appropriate
sales tax.
Or order by phone! 1-800-SAD-SCAM. Have your credit card waiting when you
call.
[Plastic replica Mastodon turds are also available: 1/2 size. Gold.
$24.95. They make great frisbees for the kids!]
Best,
Clark
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From: Bruce.Johnson@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bruce Johnson)
Subject: Re: Micap
Date: 2 Oct 91 03:25:00 GMT
Mike,
You may not remember me but we first chatted on CI$ back a year or two
I was wondering if you {could give me the lowdown on how a BBS applies
to become a paranet node, or at least get the feed. I have a {new
friend who runs a board in Va called Uforia, name of Allen, who would
very much like to get on board. I promised I would try to connect with
you for him. John Hicks gave me ann internet node with which to
contact you, but I was hoping for something a little more extensive. I
can give you a fax # to send membership forms to, even.
Good beaming at cha <g>
Bruce
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Re: Micap
Date: 2 Oct 91 14:12:00 GMT
>You may not remember me but we first chatted on CI$ back a year
>or two I was wondering if you {could give me the lowdown on
>how a BBS applies to become a paranet node, or at least get the
>feed. I have a {new friend who runs a board in Va called
>Uforia, name of Allen, who would very much like to get on
>board. I promised I would try to connect with you for him.
>John Hicks gave me ann internet node with which to contact you,
>but I was hoping for something a little more extensive. I can
>give you a fax # to send membership forms to, even.
Have your friend netmail me at 104/422 in Fidonet. I will be happy to get
him an application and get him hooked in.
Thanks,
Mike
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Re: Tesla & Hungarian
Date: 2 Oct 91 14:17:00 GMT
My order is in the mail! How vogue!!
Mike
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From: Don.Sudduth@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Sudduth)
Subject: Re: Bentwater,Uk On Unsolved Mysteries
Date: 3 Oct 91 02:54:00 GMT
>Hi Don. This is not the only observation of this localized
>time-shifting phenomenon.
>
>There was a CE-II in the late 1950s/early '60s in which the
>observers saw an Adamski-like disk, complete with some kind of
>control cabin on top that had two portholes (on the side that
>they could see). The inside of the object was lit, and they
>saw shadows moving thru the portholes. Now, get this: as the
>disk maneuvered it shifted color, and as it shifted color, the
>movement of the shadows/silouettes through the portholes either
>froze or sped up to cartoon-like swiftness! You should excuse
>the expression, but the occupants' shadows sometimes looked
>pixilated (a fine old word, which means "taken over by
>pixies").
>
>The simplest explanation is a localized time-shift around the
>UFO. This accounts for the color shift, the changes of
>buoyancy of the object (by shifting time, an object of solid
>metal can become lighter than air and float like a balloon),
>*and the oddly discontinuous rate of activity by the occupants
>of the thing, whoever they were.*
>
>Best,
> Clark
Now, the question is, what is causing the time-shifting? Why would
shifting time change the buoyancy of an object? The only way I can
think of a localized time-shift being created is with some sort of
gravitation effect. This would account for any color shifts.
Gravity is a very long force - what could cause a local shift? This
same question applies to Lazar's comments about element 115 and his
experiences with localized gravitation. He mentioned throwing an
object at this "black box" that has element 115 in it and the object
being deflected. The only problem with this is that in order to
create a field of such strength requires gravitational effects at
much larger distances???
Any thoughts, speculations, questions?? Does anyone else have some
idea??
Sincerely, Don Sudduth
>
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From: ncar!ecn.purdue.edu!lush
Subject: (none)
Date: 3 Oct 91 03:31:50 GMT
From: lush@ecn.purdue.edu (Gregory B Lush)
Subject: Third Prophecy of Fatima Revealed
? From: John.Hrusovszky@f13.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (John Hrusovszky)
? Subject: Ufo Tie-Ins?
? Date: 3 Sep 91 04:58:53 GMT
?
? Something has been bugging me for quite some time. It is the
? relationship of Fatima and UFO's. Does anyone have any information at
? all about the 3'rd revealing of Fatima that I have heard mentioned?
?
?
There's no mention of UFOs, but here is an article from
Weekly World News, p 20-21 June 18, 1991.
Forgive the hype and shouting; I don't think they can help themselves.
There's as much text in the headlines as in the article.
----------------------------------------------------
First two predictions made by the Virgin Mary in
1917 both came true, & now...
Third Prophecy of Fatima Revealed
The NEWS blows lid off Vatican's most horrifying secret!
Terrible war will wipe out almost every man, woman and child in 1993!
By Nick Mann
An Italian journalist has blown the lid off the most closely guarded
secret in the history of religion, the third prophecy of Fatima--which
is the last and most important prediction that the Virgin Mary gave to
three little Portuguese peasant children in 1917!
And far from describing an era of peace and happiness as some people
had hoped, the prophecy foretells of monstrous plagues and war that
will devastate the world and bring pain and death to virtually every
man, woman and child on the planet in 1993.
'The prophecy speaks of unimaginable horrors and a punishment that will
make the Great Flood look like a Sunday school picnic,' said Mario
Soluri, who claims to have obtained a copy of the prophecy from a
highly placed source on May 3.
'It's not surprising that the Vatican did everything in its power
to keep the prophecy secret,' continued the Rome-based journalist.
'The truth is almost sure to cause fear and panic throughout the
world.
'But as a human being, journalist and true believer myself,
I feel that the truth must be told.'
The Vatican refused to comment on Soluri's report in spite of repeated
attempts to get a confirmation, denial or statement of any kind.
A spokesman privately conceded that Soluri 'knows a lot of people' and
might well have been able to get his hands on the prophecy, which has
been under lock and key at the Vatican since 1943--26 years after the
Virgin appeared to 10-year-old Lucia dos Santos and her cousins,
Francisco, 9, and Jacinta Marto, 7, near Fatima, Portugal, in 1917
The Vatican has officially recognized that the Virgin appeared to
the children on several occasions before the year was out.
And there's no doubt that two of her three prophecies have already come true.
In the first prediction the Virgin said that little Jacinta
and Francisco would die soon and in fact, they died within a year.
She also predicted the end of World War I and the beginning of World War II.
But her third prediction was so horrifying that Lucia kept it to
herself until the Vatican finally ordered her to put it on paper
and swore her to secrecy in 1943.
The complete text provided by Soluri appears below.
Complete Text of Divine Warning:
'A great plague will befall mankind in 1993. Nowhere in the world
will there be order, and Satan will rule the highest places, determining
the way of things.
'Satan will even succeed in asserting himself at the top of the church.
'He will succeed in seducing the spirits of the great scientists who invent
arms, with which it will be possible to destroy a very large part
of humanity in a few minutes.
'Satan will have in his power the powerful who command the people and who
will incite them to produce enormous quantities of arms.
'God will punish man more thoroughly than with the Flood. There will come
the time of all times and the end of all ends. The great and powerful
will perish together with the small and weak.
'Even for the church, it will be the time of its greatest trial.
Cardinals will oppose cardinals, bishops will oppose bishops.
'Satan will walk in their midst, and in Rome there will be great changes.
The church will be darkened, and the world will be shaking with terror.
'A huge war will erupt. Fire and smoke will fall down from the sky.
'The waters of the ocean will become mist, and the foam will rise to
tremendous heights and everyone will drown.
'Millions and millions of men will die from hour to hour. Whoever
remains alive will envy the dead.
'Everywhere one turns one's glance there will be anguish and misery,
ruins in every country.
'The time draws nearer, the abyss widens without hope. the good will`
perish with the bad, the great with the small, the princes
of the church with the faithful, the rulers with their people.
'There will be death everywhere because of the errors committed by
the crazed and the followers of Satan, who will then and only then
rule the world.
'At the last, those who survive will at every chance newly proclaim
God and His glory and they will serve Him as when the world was
not so perverted.
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The only comment I would add is that if one lived in Iraq right now,
one might think that this prediction had already come true.
Greg (lush@ecn.purdue.edu)
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From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff)
Subject: Re: Implants
Date: 3 Oct 91 05:29:00 GMT
Hi, Dave...and thanks much for supplying David Pritchard's address
at MIT. I most certainly do have some questions I'd like to ask him
about the Price case.
You mention that...'his opinion is that the penile implant can be
explained as *Earthly* (emphasis my own) material'. Do you mean
that Pritchard believes the composite material of the implant to be
of terrestrial fabrication, or that the material's elemental
constituents are native to Earth? As you say Dave, it would seem to
be extremely difficult to prove an object to be of alien origin
based on physical attributes alone. For example, elemental
magnesium mined on Earth would in all likelihood be identical to
that which might be found on any planet, in any galaxy. The heavy
elements, according to modern cosmological theory, are formed when
a star goes supernova - a process which occurs throughout the
universe.
However, there may be subtle differences in atomic and molecular
structure which we have not yet learned how to detect. For example,
even though a Colombian emerald and a Zambian emerald have the same
chemical composition, a gemologist can discern the source by
determining the geometry of crystallization - which is distinctive
for each locale. Perhaps magnesium found on a planet orbiting Gamma
Triangulum Australis might also have some elusive dissimilarity to
the terrestrial element. Of course, this analogy may not hold true
universally, but it is theoretically engaging.
As far as the abduction echo, I agree that an echo moderator is
long overdue, since Jacobs has not been active for close to a year.
However, this position should be filled by a qualified
professional, not just a body to fill the slot. I wish Mike all the
best in this endeavor.
Finally, if you could send me a copy of Pritchard's TREAT 11
report, I would be most grateful, and will reimburse you for your
expenditure. My mailing address is:
> SHELDON WERNIKOFF
> 9200 NILES CENTER RD
> SKOKIE, IL 60076-1548
Thanks again for your response,
-= Sheldon =-
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Frederik Bell
Date: 2 Oct 91 18:50:00 GMT
>> Hello Jim!
>> hello All!
>>
> Howdy, Andre! Wie geht's Ihnen? Hoffentlich wird der Berliner Luft ein
> bisschen reiner?
^^^^^^^^ ^^^^
Didn't you just call him a Flying Jelly Donut?
Jim
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: question?
Date: 2 Oct 91 19:01:00 GMT
> I have both taped conversations that would interest you. I have the Art
> Bell program with John and the interview with George Green. Without too
> much delay I will get them to you.
Great...I can make copies at work and send them back to you, if you prefer.
> I would like any information you
> might share with me on the Mount Shasta report ofn UFOs that was
Sorry, haven't heard a thing about it. Mt. Shasta receives a lot of UFO
"miscellaneous" UFO reports, much the way the Sedona Vortex does.
> The second prediction by Green, that the Mideast controversy would erupt
> again began Thursday the day after he did hit exactly the earthquake on
> the 17th. He did err in the intensisy of the quake. He thought it
> would be between 8 and 10 on the SCALE. It was only 5.1.
> Interesting though. Continuing to monitor and see what else I can find.
> Tried the shortwave he said he was active in discussions with his alien
> friend but have come up with blanks so far.
> Still its interesting!
Yes, that it is. I'd love to get in touch with this Green fellow, to see if he
has any more predictions for us.
> Tell Mary Hi, and best regards,
Same to you!
Jim
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Bentwater,Uk On Unsolved Mysteries
Date: 2 Oct 91 19:06:00 GMT
>>
>>What an extremely specific and painstaking observation to make
>>when one is in the presence of a UFO....where'dya hear this
>>one?
>>
>>Jim
>>
> .
> "Wallace and the men with him walked around the object and noticed an
> interesting effect. Their own shadows were cast onto the object,
> probably by the bright "light-alls" in the field. Not only did their
> shadows bend upwards at the head, but as they walked and the stopped,
> the shadows would appear to advance one pace more and then stop."
> -Clear Intent by Lawrence Fawcett and Barry Greenwood
> page 216 about the Rendlesham Forest case.
> .
> .
> .
> (I guess my memory fabricated the half second delay - but it does sound
> like some sort of delay!)
> ---
OK, gotcha. Art Wallace, by the way, is Larry Warren. Somehow the observation doesn't surprise me, coming from him.
Jim
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Implants
Date: 2 Oct 91 19:06:00 GMT
> JS> $200,000???????????? HEY DAVE! CAN I HELP??????!!!!
> And to think some people still believe ufology isn't lucrative!
> BTW, I also understand that David and Budd are going to begin
> travelling around the country teaching regressive hypnosis. Pretty
> neat stuff coming from an artist and history professor.
> But what do I know, I'm a pharmacist/jeweler.
> I still have to talk to you about a few things, Jim. I'll try to
> call you again soon.
> Sheldon
I'm here, buddy! Call away...best bet is at the office....602-994-9877.
Thanks,
Jim
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From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Belgium Videotapes
Date: 2 Oct 91 21:34:00 GMT
I keep hearing about "dozens" of videotapes from the Belgian flap. Can anyone
confirm that there are such tapes, besides the one shown on Hard Copy? Does
anyone in the States have them in their possession? CAN I GET A COPY?
Jim
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From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Ufology Quiz #2
Date: 3 Oct 91 00:43:00 GMT
Clark!
You're a genius! Das ist gut! And you are CORRECT! It certainly was
Barry Goldwater.
Thanks!
Linda
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From: Linda.Bird@p0.f8.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Uncritical Thinking About The Lazar Material
Date: 2 Oct 91 03:25:41 GMT
Hi Leonard,
Wow! I was dazzled by your post!! W#ill give me something to think about on
my 45-min. commute to work each morning!! Keep the ideas flowing........
Linda
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From: ncar!mrc-crc.ac.uk!carbon.crc.ac.uk!mrc-crc.ac.uk!sgamble
Subject: I'm still here
Date: 3 Oct 91 21:16:03 GMT
From: Steve Gamble x3293 <sgamble@mrc-crc.ac.uk>
Hi Folks,
This is just a quick message to all those people who have been
expecting replies from me to Paranet messages to say that I am
still alive and WILL get around (hopefully in a few days) to
replying. I've been a bit snowed under with work.
I hope to be able to post some replies before Bulletin 483, but
just in case..... I am still here!!
Steve Gamble
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From: Steve.Beatty@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Beatty)
Subject: VISIT / NASA / CONSPIRACIES
Date: 4 Oct 91 03:52:00 GMT
Re: NASA's Project VISIT -
I've made a possible connection between this alleged NASA group and
the UFO phenomenon. I have made inquiries via the internet and will
post any positive results - if anyone is interested.
My focus is correlating live-TV testimony from an alleged abductee
that she was "regressed...a dozen times...by Dr. Richard Haines,
head of NASA Special Projects..." - it appeared last week on the
Ron Reagan Jr./FOX Network talk show (I have it on VHS videotape.)
- with the recent references to project VISIT here on Paranet.
As soon as she made her statement, another guest, _PHIL KLASS_
jumped on her and stated "Dr. Richard Haines is NOT the head of.."
She replied "No, he's retired."
I heard tonite that MCA/Matsushita de-funded the R.R.Jr talk show
on FOX-TV. (Chuck Harder's show via WWCR/Nashville, 7435 s-wave.)
Can anyone illuminate this further? I'm also studying Inslaw, the
Casolaro murder, and the October Surprise (Where WAS George ?)
Any ideas for more info? Care to comment? I'd be grateful.
And hopefully not Dead. Thank you.
--
Steve Beatty - via FidoNet node 1:104/422
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From: John.Burke@f9.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke)
Subject: Visit / Nasa / Conspiracies
Date: 4 Oct 91 07:40:00 GMT
Steve Beatty writes:
> Re: NASA's Project VISIT -
>
> I've made a possible connection between this alleged NASA
> group and
> the UFO phenomenon. I have made inquiries via the internet
> and will
> post any positive results - if anyone is interested.
>
Again VISIT is *not* a NASA project. As I previously pointed
out, anyone who wants to find out about project visit should try
to get a copy of the 1980 MUFON Symposium Proceedings and they
can read all about it. In fact VISIT was the host group for the
1980 MUFON Symposium in Clear Lake, Texas. To believe that
VISIT is part of NASA is to believe that NASA hosted the 1980
MUFON Symposium. Someone better tell Oberg about this! :-)
Paul Faeder subsequently pointed out that Project VISIT is
discussed in _The UFO Encyclopedia_ by Margaret Sachs (1980).
Anyone who has trouble letting go of their belief in the rumor
that VISIT is a NASA project can simply write to John F.
Schuessler, the President of Project VISIT at this address:
P.O. Box 58485
Houston, TX 77058
In other words, forget about looking for "bum steers" on the
Internet, Steve. You asked on ParaNet and you have been directed
to the best possible source on Project VISIT: its President. If
you or anyone else still suspects that VISIT is really a NASA
project, why not ask *him*?
In the mean time please be advised that the echo guidelines
prohibit knowingly posting false information.
Best regards,
-- John
--
John Burke - via FidoNet node 1:104/422
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INTERNET: John.Burke@f9.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG
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From: Danny.Brandenburg@p0.f1.n606.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Danny Brandenburg)
Subject: Re: Upcoming Shows
Date: 1 Oct 91 23:21:11 GMT
> Why .... I didn't get that impression.
>
> Regards,
> Kay
Nor did I. I felt Ron was very sympathetic to the UFO community.
Danny Brandenburg
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Danny Brandenburg - via FidoNet node 1:104/422
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INTERNET: Danny.Brandenburg@p0.f1.n606.z1.FIDONET.ORG
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