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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 476
Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 476
Monday, September 16th 1991
Today's Topics:
Leslie Watkins/alternative Iii
Re: HVUFO Round 3 [3/3]
Implants
Re: BeckleyCon
Leslie Watkins/alternative Iii
Questions...
Sheldon's Ufo Conspiracy Novel
UFO Show
Re: Beckleycon
Project VISIT
crop circle hoax: a hoax in itself?
Re: CROP CIRCLE HO
HVUFO Round 3 [3/3]
HVUFO Round 4 [1/6]
HVUFO Round 4 [2/6]
HVUFO Round 4 [3/6]
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Leslie Watkins/alternative Iii
Date: 15 Sep 91 01:41:00 GMT
> Hi Jim,
> Did you ever get the reply I posted to your message to me about
> the file you had on Alternative III? I phoned your BBS # and got no
> answer several times, and once a voice reply (I had already hit the
> hangup button before I realized I could've spoken to the girl, sorry!)
> I also was VERY interested in what you were going to say about
> the Ogden objects and have been hoping to hear from you on that. If you
> didn't get my messages, maybe I should try another way...
> Peggy
> ---
Hi Peggy...
Glad we spoke today, but I wish Alternative III had come in the conversation.
No, never received your messages...could you repeat the gist of what you said
about AltIII?
I see where Idaho Falls is AGAIN in the news, this time with the cattle mute
story (a couple of messages back). Hmmmmmmmmm..........
Jim
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From: Jim.Delton@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Delton)
Subject: Re: HVUFO Round 3 [3/3]
Date: 15 Sep 91 08:52:00 GMT
Maury is back to the "If you can't prove my claim false then I
automatically win." I think you are wasting your time on him, he has
done nothing but backtrack. Previous flat statments presented as fact
are now simply opinions - it's an all too common way of people weasling
out of their previous positions.
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From: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Keith Basterfield)
Subject: Implants
Date: 15 Sep 91 23:22:00 GMT
Some time ago I reported on Paranet concerning a local abduction case where the
woman involved believed she had an implant in her upper mouth. I reported that
a dental x-ray had indeed shown two unusual items in her upper mouth in the
area she had indicated. I mentioned that the dentist involved had confirmed to
me that he could not explain the x-ray in conventional terms. I later reported
that a full mouth x-ray had failed to detect any such "implant".
I am in the process of completing an article for the IUR on this piece of
evidence, plus intend covering the subject of implants in general. Thank you to
all those on Paranet who have already forwarded me items of interest to use in
my article.
If anyone else has come across definitive examples of implants, I would be
grateful to hear of them-you will, of course, be referenced as the source in my
article. My postal address is UFORA Research Division, PO Box 302, Modbury
North, South Australia 5092, Australia, or simply chat here.
(9:1040/12)
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From: Vladimir.Godic@f7.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Vladimir Godic)
Subject: Re: BeckleyCon
Date: 16 Sep 91 03:19:00 GMT
>
> The session I choose to attend featured 2 older gentlemen from
> The House of Dawn here in Phoenix. One of them channeled Nicola
> Tesla himself, no less, in a Hungarian accent, no less.
> Couldn't help but wish I spoke Hungarian so I could communicate
> with Tesla in his native tongue.
Hi Linda,
I always thought I have seen everything - but this is too much.
I couldn't put up with this sort of thing for more than 10 minutes.
You are a very brave lady.
One small correction, if I may. Nikola Tesla was born in Yugoslavia so
I don't know where the Hungarian accent comes into it. I am curious
how did you find out that this WAS Hungarian accent. As a matter of
fact he was born in that part of the country which is far away from
Hungary. Quite a number of people in Yugoslavia speak both languages if
they live near the border, e.g. Yugoslavs near Hungarian border speak
Hungarian and Hungarians near the border speak Yugoslav.
> he then spent 5 years floating around as a spirit once he died
I think he had too much "spirit". Perhaps Johnny Walker Black Label.
Regards,
Vlad
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From: Peggy.Noonan@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: Leslie Watkins/alternative Iii
Date: 15 Sep 91 18:24:00 GMT
Hi Jim,
Sorry I didn't mention the Alternative III in our talk
yesterday -- was focused on the Ogden thing. Some weeks back I'd
been asking here about Alternative III and several people responded
with info about Leslie Watkins and his Alt III and you were among
them...you'd mentioned that you had a file on your BBS on this topic
and you asked how you should transport it to me. I replied by
sending my phone and CIS # (71760,1140) and said I'd call your BBS #
to get the file, but the number on your origin line and on ParaNet's
list was not current, so a lot of time evaporated between then and
now.
Come to think of it, after those initial replies, which I
answered, no one has posted an answering message to my answers
either so maybe something happened that day and all my replies were
lost....Worth checking on, I think. Fortunately I captured the
original replies so I can go back and check on who said what.
So, on AltIII, do you indeed have a file on that Leslie
Watkins story or did I misunderstand? And if so, probably the best
thing would be for me to call your BBS to collect it, unless there's
a different method you would prefer. Mail? Other means? Whatever
works best for you.
On the Ogden thing, Linda mentioned that Guy Kirkwood was in
La Jolla, CA, so I just called info and got his number there and
spoke to him yesterday afternoon. He didn't have a lot of new info
to add but was a good thinker -- clear and logical and no conclusion
jumping. He does have two of the photos (color) and is sending me
photocopies of them. I will relay those to Pam at Omni and see if
she wants to pay for having duplicate photos copied from his as he
doesn't have the negatives.
We talked about the inscriptions -- still described as
Arabic looking -- and he said no one had yet identified the language
so I suggested he try the Epigraphic Society in San Diego. Barry
Fell has a large group of experts there who are familiar with
ancient languages and they should at least be able to identify the
writing, if not translate it.
On the location, he said he was told it was definitely in
northern Utah but said that Ammon (sp?) could be a possibility,
given that people do make mistakes about things like that. It's
certainly worth checking out, especially since one photo shows some
kind of power plant in the background behind one of the objects.
Also, he said it could not be "approximately sixty miles
north of Ogden" as I was told by several people because, he said,
"there aren't sixty miles of Utah above Ogden". I had neglected to
check my map and didn't spot this obvious glitch. So that, too,
points to the Idaho site you were onto.
He did mention that "they" had tried to cut the thing with
torches and couldn't and said the things looked like two horseshoe
magnets, one in a U and the other a a 90-degree angle to that in a
sort of "plus sign" (hard for me to visualize) and they were almost
covered by these inscriptions.
One person who saw the pix said that they looked just like
the same things that were found in Peru, but Guy Kirkwood didn't
know about the Peruvian things, so couldn't comment on that any
further. If there were similar or same objects found there, that
would REALLY add to the puzzle.
If your leads pan out, please do let me know. Feel free to
call anytime -- if I'm not here, the machine is. Thanks, again, for
your help! (BTW, Cheyenne called last night -- Thanks!) ==Peggy==
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Questions...
Date: 15 Sep 91 09:16:00 GMT
> Awhile back, someone mentioned an incident about a NASA control-room
> man that had made a statement something to the effect of "...we now
> have the UFO on our screens..." or something like that. I have been
> searching high and low to find some actual documentation on this, but
> to no avail. Can anyone help me out?
This may have been the big thing with Bob Oeschler a while back with the
Discovery space shuttle where Blaha said, "Houston, we have the alien
spacecraft under observance." Although it sounded very good, no one could
confirm nor deny that it was Blaha's voice on that tape. That has never
really gone any further. NASA denied the whole thing.
Mike
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Sheldon's Ufo Conspiracy Novel
Date: 15 Sep 91 09:39:00 GMT
* Forwarded from "Sci.Skeptic"
* Originally from Donald D Rice
* Originally dated 09-04-91 12:03
From: ddr@flux.isr.alaska.edu (Donald D Rice)
Date: 3 Sep 91 14:16:00 GMT
Organization: Geophysical Institute, Fairbanks, AK
Message-ID: <1991Sep3.141600.12140@raven.alaska.edu>
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic
On "Good Morning America" this morning they had a book plug/interview
with Sidney Sheldon. One of the teasers said that his latest novel involves
a UFO crash coverup, though that didn't come out in the interview.
The book, "The Doomsday Conspiracy," is about a spy who is tired of the
game and discovers he is about to be terminated. Somehow (he didn't say
how), extraterrestrials get involved who are environmentally correct, wanting
to save the earth (giving new life to the cliche, "little _green_ men").
Sheldon went into the usual business about astronauts being told not to
discuss UFO incidents, but one (Gordon Cooper) coming to him with stories
of UFO sightings and intercept attempts by the Air Force. Then he mentions
the SETI project, and asks why the government is funding such stuff if they
don't believe in UFOs (if he doesn't know, then he obviously hasn't
researched SETI in detail).
Has anybody read the novel? I haven't noticed it in local bookstores, but
I hadn't been looking, either. Probably wait until it comes out in paperback.
I'd like to know what angle he actually takes...if it is a credible work of
fiction, or is as silly as it sounded (a spy meeting environmentally-minded
aliens somehow strikes me as tabloid fodder). But I had the feeling that in
the interview, Sheldon was making a pitch to capture the interest of UFO
buffs and conspiracy theorists rather than providing an accurate plot synopsis.
The reason I'm curious is that, if the book sells well, I would expect to
see another cycle of UFO interest in the media. If it sells really well, we
might even see another major outbreak of UFO sightings, close encounters,
etc. So it would be interesting to know what Sheldon's aliens are like so
we can look for similarities in any incidents that the book might induce.
It would also be interesting to know if Sheldon's aliens are believable. In
most UFO fiction (as opposed to true science fiction), aliens come off as
one-dimensional morons: they crash their saucers at Roswell, allow their
ships to be shot down by old-fashioned (50s and 60s era) fighters, leave
behind assorted garbage at landing sites (not very green of them), erase the
memories of witnesses so sloppily that amateur hypnotists can circumvent
their work, send manned craft to take soil samples that a robot probe could
get much more efficiently, and so on ad nauseum. Hopefully Sheldon can add
some depth to the alien persona, so the UFO "literature" won't be quite so
boring and predictable.
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Geophysical Institute fnddr@alaska (BITNET)
University of Alaska flux::ddr (SPAN)
Fairbanks, AK 99775 Phone: (907) 474-7569 Loran: 64.86N 212.16E
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From: Mike.Keithly@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mike Keithly)
Subject: UFO Show
Date: 16 Sep 91 03:05:00 GMT
I just noticed in the TV guide on the Discovery Channel there is a segment
about UFO sightings on Monday Sept 16 at 10:00pm MST,on Beyond 2000.
So if you have cable watch it, I will try to tape it..
Mike Keithly
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From: Tom.Dalton@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Tom Dalton)
Subject: Re: Beckleycon
Date: 16 Sep 91 06:06:00 GMT
* In a message originally to Linda Bird, Vladimir Godic said:
> >
> > The session I choose to attend featured 2 older gentlemen from
> > The House of Dawn here in Phoenix. One of them channeled Nicola
> > Tesla himself, no less, in a Hungarian accent, no less.
> > Couldn't help but wish I spoke Hungarian so I could communicate
> > with Tesla in his native tongue.
>
>Hi Linda,
>
>I always thought I have seen everything - but this is too much.
>I couldn't put up with this sort of thing for more than 10
>minutes.
>You are a very brave lady.
>
>One small correction, if I may. Nikola Tesla was born in
>Yugoslavia so I don't know where the Hungarian accent comes
>into it. I am curious how did you find out that this WAS
>Hungarian accent. As a matter of fact he was born in that part
>of the country which is far away from Hungary. Quite a number
>of people in Yugoslavia speak both languages if they live near
>the border, e.g. Yugoslavs near Hungarian border speak
>Hungarian and Hungarians near the border speak Yugoslav.
> > he then spent 5 years floating around as a spirit once he died
>
>I think he had too much "spirit". Perhaps Johnny Walker Black
>Label.
>
>Regards,
>Vlad
>
>--- FD 1.99c
> * Origin: UFO Research Australia, Administrator, Adelaide -
>Aust. (9:1040/7)
>30163/150
Without addressing the issue of Teslas supposed medium, I would point
out that in Europe, borders around many countries (including Hungary)
were somewhat unstable and that it was not uncommon for people in
those
European countries to speak more than one language. For some reason,
Hungarian was a popular second language in those areas.
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From: Kurt.Lochner@f22.n14766.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Kurt Lochner)
Subject: Project VISIT
Date: 11 Sep 91 20:54:02 GMT
> I've been seeing some speculation here over the last
> week or so about Project VISIT and the possibility
> that it may be some sort of secret NASA project to
> study UFO abductees.
>
> This information is not true.
>
> Because VISIT is located in the Houston area and was
> inspired by the NASA project-type approcah, we
> probably are now hearing rumors to the effect that it
> is a NASA project. It is surely not a secret project.
>
I have something similar to add. A while back, oh about
a year or so, there was a certain user, T.S. Bennet, that
made claims to a super-secret aircraft with propulsion
derived from UFO technology. He called it the Aurora
project...
I bring it up only to remove it from conjecture here. While
digging through some literature on government funding, I
came across a description of the Aurora Project. It's
strictly a government project, funded for examining the
effects of aerosol dispersion of nuclear waste around a
specific nuclear processing facility called Aurora.
Thanks for laying to rest yet another urban legend.....
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: crop circle hoax: a hoax in itself?
Date: 14 Sep 91 05:48:03 GMT
> didn't believe that the hoax theory was valid. In fact, they
> interviewed
> *Delgado* and he said that he didn't believe it! What happened? Damage
> control, or just a delay in realizing that the hoax claims were
> unlikely?
To get a little stranger, an article from the NYT News wire quoted *David*
Delgado, whoever that might be. Could've sworn I saw Pat Delgado on CNN, so I
assume an error in the wire story, but who knows.
jbh
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From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: CROP CIRCLE HO
Date: 13 Sep 91 20:36:25 GMT
I agree there need to be more people involved. But if two old gents can pull
off a circle, in rapid style, then there could be numerous others doing the
same. It reminds me of the military answer that they would have needed many
hours and many people to make these circles. I'm still waiting to see if
these old guys can really make a circle in a few hours.
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: HVUFO Round 3 [3/3]
Date: 15 Sep 91 22:33:00 GMT
> Maury is back to the "If you can't prove my claim false then I
> automatically win." I think you are wasting your time on him, he has
> done nothing but backtrack. Previous flat statments presented as fact
> are now simply opinions - it's an all too common way of people weasling
> out of their previous positions.
So why do I waste my time with him? Because, James me boy, there are a few
hundred other people looking in, people with scientific credentials who might
be persuaded to join in this greatest of quests, if they see one of their own
take a polemical whuppin' from a nutty flying saucer freak. And you thought I
was just a masochist.... ;->
Jim
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From: Jim.Speiser@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: HVUFO Round 4 [1/6]
Date: 15 Sep 91 22:54:00 GMT
Round 4 Part 1
(2771) Fri 13 Sep 91 11:33a
By: Maury Markowitz
To: Jim Speiser
Re: UFO Tape
St: Rcvd 2247<>2772
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@EID:43e5 172d5c37
@MSGID: 1:250/712 28d0e86a
Ok, that's it Jim. Now you have stepped WELL beyond the dictates of good
taste. Not only did you ridicule me, but you also had the gall to cross-post
my messages to a net that I have never seen before. Moreover, I have no way of
defending myself againced the comments presented on this net, and have to rely
solely on your sense of fair play.
I will state one last time that I NEVER IDENTIFIED THE AIRCRAFT!! I don't
know what you stated on the other net, or what led you to believe this, but at
now time did I ever state that I had made a positive ID! I stated that I
THOUGHT they were 182's, and the guys at the club said that they looked more
like 152's, because of the small window that you see behind the wing, which
would result in the two lights closely spaced. That's all I said. If anything
(to state it yet again), it shows that I am BAD at IDing the aircraft, because
the commertial pilots at the club said I was wrong. However, I do stand by the
fact that that light seen flashing on the "lead" object looks REMARKABLY like
the one on our 182 at the club.
And yet, as if this were not enough, now I find myself being attacked by
people I've never talked to before in my life! Did I ever staTE THAT I wanted
this abuse? Sorry, I've got better things to do with my life.
However, I am forced to reply to these letters in order to save face.
Personally, I'd rather cut open my head with a bone saw and feel my brain, but
that would not help in this case.
Jim, thanks for the tapes. I know they cost you money, and the shipping too.
However, as I stated those 2 LONG years ago, I wat right about getting in over
my head. This thread will now end if all you're going to do is call me stupid.
I will have to ask you to post the following message to "paranet", and ask you
to provide confirmation that this has been done. If you do not do this, I will
be forced to ignore all futher messages from you until you do. Sorry, but
there's no way I'm going to invest more time in something that I had no intrest
in in the first place.
BTW, the kit experiments are still a failure. Our experiment with a mylar
covered kite failed when it hit a tree and ripped.
Maury
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From: Jim.Speiser@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: HVUFO Round 4 [2/6]
Date: 15 Sep 91 22:55:00 GMT
Round 4 Part 2
(2772) Fri 13 Sep 91 11:43a
By: Maury Markowitz
To: Jim Speiser
Re: UFO Tape
St: Rcvd 2771<>2773
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@EID:43e5 172d5d78
@MSGID: 1:250/712 28d0eac4
To all those on the "ParaNet" echo system...
About 2 years ago I first joined the Science echo to talk to other people. I
have been rather active over the last two years, and remain so. I like to keep
my hand in, after leaving honours physics 2 May's ago, and it sort of "keeps me
in the loop", so to speak.
Right at the start, I got into a conversation about the Gulf Stream UFO
stories with another echo member. I was interested that this story seemed to
be so close to the Hudson Valley UFO stories in some ways. Soon after, Jim
wrote me stating that although he agreed that the Gulf Stream UFO's were a
hoax, that the Hudson Valley ones were not.
At that time, I responded by saying that all I knew about it was what I read
in the apparently famous Discover! article about the subject. I felt that the
evidence provided in this article was fairly conclusive. I also stated that I
found it strange that the frontespiece from the article was from the videotape
shown on "UFO Coverup Live" a few years later.
Jim replied that I did not have the correct information, and offered to send
me a tape. I really could care less, but I figured it would be OK. I actually
asked for still frames, as I wanted to give the new MicroTec 300GZ 24-bit
colour laser scanner a try, and this would be a great thing to play with it on
(no, I had not hopes of showing it to be a fake, but a full colour
StartupScreen of the UFO would be great for my Mac). Jim said that he didn't
have still, and only the tape, so I said that that would be OK if he wanted to
send it to me. He also challenged me to show the tape to a pilot and see if
he could state that it was airplanes (actually, I think the challenge was to
find ONE pilot that said...). Anyway, I was (and still am) a skydiver, so I
offered to show it to the pilots at the club, they are all Commertial Pilots
with full ratings.
Well, it took a while, but I finally got the tape about a month ago (or
perhaps longer, I don't remeber). I watched it, and I saw what looked to me to
be a 182 leading some others. I based this quick look on nothing more than a
cursory examination of the tape, and I noticed that all the lights seemed to
have a dim light right behind it.
So I took the tape to the club, and the pilots said that the 182 didn't have
a window in the right place, but a 152 did. I then reported to Jim that I had
risen to his challenge, and found (several) pilots that said the object could
be aircraft.
At no time did I or anyone else offer a "positive" ID, and yet here I am
being attacked for doing so. I don't know what it is that I said that made
this the case, but I find it rather angering.
Back to the story... Jim then sent me a second tape. This one had two 1/2
hour shows on it about the UFOs. Again, I gave them a quick watch. I found
the second show to be a joke, poor production, poor sound and pretty lousy
editorial. However, these tapes simply confirmed my belief that the objects
seen were airplanes.
No I don't have proof, I've never left my living room! I could care less
what the story is! I took the tape to the pilots, they said it could be
planes. That's the end of the road people, I've done my bit. Complain if you
wish, call me a fool if it makes you feel better, but I NEVER had an intrest in
this to start with, and I DON'T NOW!!! Sorry, I've got better things to waste
my time on (like jumping out of the 182), and have other hobbies that I
actually enjoy. Watching tapes and argueing with people is not one of them. I
have never been a UFO debunker, I have never met one, and I have read very
little on the topic on either side. Basically, it just doesn't intrest me,
sorry.
cont...
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From: Jim.Speiser@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: HVUFO Round 4 [3/6]
Date: 15 Sep 91 22:56:00 GMT
Round 4 Part 3
(2773) Fri 13 Sep 91 11:59a
By: Maury Markowitz
To: Jim Speiser
Re: UFO Tape
St: Rcvd 2772<>2774
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@EID:43e5 172d5f6c
@MSGID: 1:250/712 28d0ee6c
Then, to continue my frustration, Jim barrages me with a series of apparently
angry letters. The silly thing is that after I said I was done with the
subject, I made a JOKE about it, which he attacked! Now, I suddently see that
my messages have been cross-posted to ParaNet, apparently so that you too can
ridicule me.
Get this through your heads NOW, I DON'T GIVE A DAMB ABOUT THIS SUBJECT!
JS> By: Doug Rogers
JS> To: Jim Speiser
JS> Re: Hudson Valley Tape
JS> St: Rcvd
JS> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
JS> @EID:f70c 28c28d1d
JS> Jim...
JS>
JS> I'd appreciate your cross posting this reply to our associate Maury
JS> in the "Science" echo, as I don't read that one...
JS>
JS> Maury,
JS>
JS> I'd like to thank you for the best humor I've read in years.
Thank's, you're welcome. At least someone got some enjoyment out of this
fiasco.
JS> I find it fascinating that you are well enough versed in aircraft
JS> identification to identify the proported aircraft in the "genuine"
JS> tape as 152's and a 182. Especially in the face of the inability
I never said that, I said they LOOKED to ME like 182, and they looked to the
pilots at the club like 152's. Period.
JS> tape as 152's and a 182. Especially in the face of the inability
JS> of the analysts at JPL (who are SUPPOSED to know what they are
I know nothing of this except for a heavily edited interview on one of Jim's
tapes. I have now idea what JPL thinks, and could care less really. I would
like to work there though, they do some great magic.
JS> doing) to do the same. I am supposing that you have some
JS> evaluative criteria that the other "experts" have over-looked, and
JS> can therefore share with us your reasoning so we may all check our
None whatsoever. I have no intrest in this, and never thought that I would
be attacked in this manner. I will now publicly appologize for having an
opinion, to you and all the others that seem to think this is a crime.
I never pretended to be an expert, and don't even know how they go about
doing their work. So, perhaps I am DEAD wrong, but until I see otherwise
(don't bother trying to show me, I could care less), I srand behind my
statement: I have no trouble believing that the object I see on the tape are
aircraft of some sort, I thought they looked like 182's the others thought that
152's were more close to the mark.
cont...
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