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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 470
Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 470
Wednesday, September 4th 1991
Today's Topics:
Thank you!
the Mandelbrot set
Re: Hudson Valley Tape [3/3]
OLD TITLES
Re: MORTON DOWNEY JR.
Re: ALIEN LIAISON
Re: ussr
Re: New UFO Titles!
OLD TITLES
Re: Epilepsy & Dogs
Re: CATTLE MUTILATIONS
Ickleton Mandelbrot
Crop Circles. The Ickleton Mandelbrot
UFO Conference in Orlando
Re: Epilepsy & Dogs
Mysterious Roar Heard By Some...
Re: Hudson Valley Tape [3/3]
Re: How old are the 'greys'?
Re: How old are the 'greys'?
Re: Alien Liaison & Bob O.
Re: How old are the 'greys'?
Ufo Tie-Ins?
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Thank you!
Date: 2 Sep 91 01:40:00 GMT
Roger,
Thank you for the thorough investigation and reporting you did on the Blue
Grass, Iowa crop circle. Your work is outstanding!
Mike
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From: vanth!jms
Subject: the Mandelbrot set
Date: 2 Sep 91 05:31:56 GMT
From: vanth!jms@amix.commodore.com (Jim Shaffer)
Someone gave me a program to generate the Mandelbrot set in ASCII
characters last year. When I locate the thing among the chaos of my filing
system, I'll post one for people who don't know what we're talking about.
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From: Jim.Delton@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Delton)
Subject: Re: Hudson Valley Tape [3/3]
Date: 1 Sep 91 20:00:00 GMT
Did Mr. Markowitz view the same tape as I did??? How did he manage to
make out what any of the "planes" were going so far as identifing the
lead plane as a 182 and the rest as 152's (and not 150's !!)????
He messages seemed to get more and more disjointed as he went on too.
As to the supposed absence of further HV UFO reports after the FAA
warned to pilots to stop - I didn't think there had been a cessation of
further reports?? He may be right in his criticism of the lack of
followup and/or good documentation of just exactly what JPL did and
didn't do in the way of analysis and written reports. The lack of
written reports from the "experts" seems common unfortunately with far
too many "facts" and analysis seemingly being mostly word of mouth and
off the cuff stuff.
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From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)
Subject: OLD TITLES
Date: 29 Aug 91 17:23:30 GMT
"Gateway to Oblivion" about the Great Lakes ship disasters. Sort of a
Bermuda Triangle angle. If you see it tell me how much. I'll be hitting the
library next week. I finally got a UWM card, which is Univ. Of WI. Milwaukee.
They seem to have more books than the main library here. Actually probably
less fiction so more that I wish to use. Also has a computer search I can
dial in and check the card catalog. I'll punch up UFO and Paranormal next
week for the folks here at Paranet. Might bring some new titles to light.
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From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: MORTON DOWNEY JR.
Date: 29 Aug 91 17:52:51 GMT
I hope old Mort changed or the result will be Phil throwing a chair at you
and the crowd rushing the stage. (or visa versa?) The show was such a setup
by the end it was sick. He baited people and then threw them off without
allowing a fair debate. I didn't agree with most of the people he threw off,
but the point is that issues cannot be resolved by the tactics he used to
use.
I'll be looking forward to this one, considering what you have said, a fair
forum for debating non-mainstream topics can be informative as well as
entertaining. Go get em...
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From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: ALIEN LIAISON
Date: 29 Aug 91 17:55:59 GMT
Get that copier warmed up and please send me a copy. PO box 17052 Milwaukee,
WI 53217 I'll see what I have here in return. How about tapes of my talking
cat <just kidding>. I try to return the favor somehow.
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From: Danny.Brandenburg@p0.f1.n606.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Danny Brandenburg)
Subject: Re: ussr
Date: 30 Aug 91 21:40:12 GMT
>we came across some reliable reports that indicate the evidence
I must first ask your criteria for "reliable". Were the reports
from respected scientists? Were they from locals? Children?
> sources include Antonio Huneeus and articles in UFO magazine.
Since I am new to this group I must ask about Antonio Huneeus. Who
is he (sorry)? I would also like to know how articles in UFO Magazine
get there. I mean, are the articles submitted by anyone or are their
professional writers that are employed (no contracted) by UFO Magazine?
Also, what are the backgrounds of the writers (ie. scientists, fiction
writers, new agers, psychologists...)?
Just wanting some clarification,
Danny Brandenburg
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From: Paul.Faeder@f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Paul Faeder)
Subject: Re: New UFO Titles!
Date: 31 Aug 91 05:17:38 GMT
>
> Please post an address and I'll snailmail a check to
> you for the
> Vallee book
Thanks! The name and address is:
AZTEC
PO Box 668
Bushkill PA 18324.
Once again it's Friday so I'm unable to check on Magnonia
for you. I will though and I'll let you know.
Also, you'll have to add $1.50 for shipping unless you
order at least one other book from the list below in which
case I'll ship for free. I really feel bad that I have to
charge $1.50 to ship a $6.95 book but the truth is that
shipping bags and/or boxes aren't cheap - not to mention
the postage. So if you see a book below that interests you,
you're better off putting the $1.50 towards it's purchase
price than to pay it in shipping.
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Confrontations. Vallee, Jacques, 232 pgs, pprbk $ 4.95
Circular Evidence. Delgado/Andrews, 191 pgs, pprbk 14.95
Many color photos.
Flying Saucers: A Modern Myth of Things Seen in the Skies 8.95
C.G. Jung, (reissue) 138 pages, pprbk
Fatima Prophecy. Ray Stanford, 256 pgs, pprbk 4.95
UFO Crash at Roswell. Randle/Schmitt 288 pgs, pprbk 4.95
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Or all 5 for $35.00 shipping included to the lower 48
states. Ask for the Bikini Special!
Items can be ordered individually but add shipping charges:
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From: Paul.Faeder@f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Paul Faeder)
Subject: OLD TITLES
Date: 31 Aug 91 05:22:07 GMT
> "Gateway to Oblivion" about the Great Lakes ship
> disasters.
OK Pete. I have a database of people and what titles they're
looking for. I make no promises but one never knows what I
may come accross!
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From: Steve.Rose@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Rose)
Subject: Re: Epilepsy & Dogs
Date: 29 Aug 91 17:24:00 GMT
CM>I wonder if accidents of birth or actual injuries can endow humans with
CM>capabilities similar to your hypothetical psychic dog. Tesla claimed that
CM>he could "hear" his EM radiation...
'Ringing in the ears' is more likely the possibility.
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From: Tyson.Mitchiner@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Tyson Mitchiner)
Subject: Re: CATTLE MUTILATIONS
Date: 30 Aug 91 02:54:00 GMT
PP>Cattle Mute. is an interesting question. Here we have evidence of something
PP>happening and don't know why or how. Just for interest sake a bit of
PP>information. A knife made from stone (obsidian for a prime example) is
PP>sharper that the best surgical steel used in hospitals today. Good flint
PP>impliments can have thickness down to microns, along with the natural
PP>serrations. If someone is using "crude" tools, they can make better, sharper
PP>cuts than we would get in the hospital.
What gets to me about those cattle mutilations is the great care to do
it so quickly and efficiently. If satanists are the cause, as is
implied at times, why do they take such great care to drain every drop
of blood, to remove organs without significant mutilation of the rest
of the body. A mutilation done by satanists would (in my opinion) be
a lot more messy and crude.
This cattle mutilation thing is very mystifying, indeed. I hope we
figure out the reason and cause soon. I'm curious, regarding your
"crude tools" post, do you have any idea or theory why someone would
use those tools and not normal tools?
Tyson
+ SLMR 2.0 + From an explorer.............
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From: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen)
Subject: Ickleton Mandelbrot
Date: 30 Aug 91 09:16:02 GMT
Just got this off the Internet tonight:
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Article 1511 of alt.alien.visitors:
From: rob@aixssc.ibm.co.uk (Robert Trevelyan)
Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
Subject: Crop Circles. The Ickleton Mandelbrot
Message-ID: <1991Aug27.082106.24287@aixssc.ibm.co.uk>
Date: 27 Aug 91 08:21:06 GMT
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The Ickleton Mandelbrot
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A strange formation appeared the night of August 11/12 in a
wheatfield on a hill top 10 miles south of Cambridge, England.
The was reported to be a heart-shaped formation but on closer
observation found it to be far more than any "normal" crop
circle.
This new formation was in fact a Mandelbrot ! and was 100 yards
in length. A colleague of mine visited the site and confirmed
that the formation was in fact, as near as possible, a complete
Mandelbrot set. The large cartoid component was about 120ft across,
tangential to this was a circle of 47ft diameter and on top of this
again a 16ft circle. Attached to each side of the cardoid was three
smaller unequal circles, the size of each matching its partner on
the opposite side of the cartoid. Tiny circles also existed and
were attached to the outside of the centre ones and also on the
47ft circle. These tiny circles were as small as 16 inches and
were attached to the main body and mirrored about the central axis.
I have viewed a computer program that creates this Mandelbrot Set
and all circles and conponents were found to be exactly placed.
Presumed at first to be an elaborate hoax perpetrated by mathematic
students at Cambridge University this was denied by them. Each
circle was perfect and was swirled in a clockwise direction even
down to a single stalk in the centre of the cartoid. Aerial photographs
have been taken by my colleague but unfortunately on returning the
next day he found that the farmer had driven his combine harvester
straight through the formation destroying this fantastic work of art.
I understand that copies of these photos are on their way to
Benoit B. Mandelbrot, a research fellow at IBM Yorktown Heights, NY.
who from work with fractal geometry and the mathematical study of
forms having a fractional dimension has termed the Mandelbrot Set.
Fractal geometry is used in the study of chaos and also in the study
of growth patterns in the natural world.
For those of you that like the heavy stuff on Mandelbrot here it is:
From "Scientific American" August 1985..
"The Mandelbrot set broods in silent complexity at the centre of a
vast two-dimensional sheet of numbers called the complex plane.
When a certain operation is applied repeatedly to the numbers, the
ones outside the set flee to infinity and the numbers inside remain
to drift or dance about. Close to the boundary minutely choreographed
wanderings mark the onset of instability. Here is an infinite regress
of detail which astonishes us with its variety, its complexity and
its strange beauty."
This fantastic and unexplainable formation was feature with
a photograph in 26 August 1991 "Sunday Telegraph" and one can
see from the photograph that it really is very precise.
If anyone has a Mandelbrot computer graphics program I strongly
suggest that you run it and view the end result because it is so
similar to the Ickleton Mandelbrot its unreal.
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: UFO Conference in Orlando
Date: 30 Aug 91 17:34:00 GMT
LB> The UFO conference in Fla. had a poor turn-out? That's
LB> too bad.
Awful turnout.
You probable didn't see the first flyers. The word Alien was even spelled
wrong. Then that was corrected, but the prices were still absurd.
Some flyers were distributed, the conference was mentioned here a few
times, but apparently that was the extent of the advertising.
At Jim Greenen's insistence, they cut the prices in half, but failed to
spread that info.
The probably should have had it before the MUFON symposium, not just
after, and not after school started.
BTW, they were told most of this long and loud from the start. If you
can't pack the house by featuring Bill English, Ed Walters and Wendelle
Stevens, you're definitely doing something wrong.
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: Epilepsy & Dogs
Date: 30 Aug 91 17:35:01 GMT
CM> Tesla claimed that he could "hear" his EM
CM> radiation...
Strange, but I guess it's possible.
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Mysterious Roar Heard By Some...
Date: 31 Aug 91 04:58:00 GMT
> I wanted to put this article here as it sounds very much like what a
> witness told Roger Black he heard on the night that a crop circle was
> formed in Iowa. More on this will follow.
Also note that the two small swirled circles found in Shoreline Park in Gulf
Breeze were found the day after a "skyquake." What they're calling a skyquake
is a 10-15 sec. very low rumble that rattles doors etc, but there's no seismic
trace, and no one acknowledges flying supersonic anywhere nearby.
I experienced two back in the early '80s when I lived about 200 miles east of
Pensacola. Rather eerie. The ground doesn't shake, but walls, doors, windows
etc. do.
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From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: Hudson Valley Tape [3/3]
Date: 2 Sep 91 15:51:00 GMT
In a message to Jim Speiser <09-01-91 13:00> Jim Delton wrote:
JD> Did Mr. Markowitz view the same tape as I did??? How did he manage
Ha ha! Yes, he did. I made sure of that.
JD> to make out what any of the "planes" were going so far as identifing
JD> the lead plane as a 182 and the rest as 152's (and not 150's !!)????
That is exactly what I asked him in a previous message - on what basis was
that determination made? As you can see, he failed to respond.
JD> too. As to the supposed absence of further HV UFO reports after the
JD> FAA warned to pilots to stop - I didn't think there had been a
JD> cessation of further reports?? He may be right in his criticism of
Right again. Markowitz depended totally and *unquestioningly* on Klass, who
turns out to be completely wrong. I think this demonstrates the problem with
SOME skeptics - they don't realize that skepticism, in order to be useful,
MUST be self-referencing. Its not fair to question whether a UFO witness is
telling the truth if you're not willing to do the same for a debunker.
JD> JPL did and didn't do in the way of analysis and written reports.
JPL proper didn't do much, however a JPL scientist, Al Hibbs, seems to have
done a fairly in-depth analysis, the results of which were presented on one
of the tapes I sent Maury. The words Al used were, "in this case, no
explanation is given, and I see no reason to give one." Maury objects to the
narrators translation, "in other words, it remains unexplained." Yet I don't
see how else it could be interpreted, do you?
Jim
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From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: How old are the 'greys'?
Date: 2 Sep 91 15:57:00 GMT
In a message to All <09-01-91 12:08> cwns1.INS.CWRU.Edu!al463
no> I have in my posession a comic book dated April, 1967 (Flying
no> Saucers,
no> #1 DELL). The aliens are depicted as being pale white, with large
no> heads, and large eyes. They are short in stature and look very much
no> like what we would call a 'grey'; too much to be a coincidence.
That is a VERY important find, Chris. I don't know of anything else going
back that far with a description that close.
Of course, now Phil Klass will say that anyone who describes the Grays thus
just HAS to have read that comic book, and have it buried in their
subconscious.
Jim
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From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: How old are the 'greys'?
Date: 2 Sep 91 15:57:00 GMT
In a message to All <09-01-91 12:08> ncar!cwns1.INS.CWRU.Edu!al463@scicoHow old
no> I have in my posession a comic book dated April, 1967 (Flying
no> Saucers,
no> #1 DELL). The aliens are depicted as being pale white, with large
no> heads, and large eyes. They are short in stature and look very much
no> like what we would call a 'grey'; too much to be a coincidence.
That is a VERY important find, Chris. I don't know of anything else going
back that far with a description that close.
Of course, now Phil Klass will say that anyone who describes the Grays thus
just HAS to have read that comic book, and have it buried in their
subconscious.
Jim
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From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Alien Liaison & Bob O.
Date: 2 Sep 91 22:20:00 GMT
Hi Keith,
Thanks for the interesting info regarding the spheres in Australia.
That info rang a bell in my head; may have heard it before...
Would you like me to send you an interview of Bob Oechsler conducted
by writer Antonio Huneeus? I'm sure by now Antonio is hooping no one
remembers this interview which came out only a couple of months ago in
a magazine called UFO UNIVERSE, edited by Timothy Green Beckley. This
publication has a tendency to dramatize things, and publish lots of
photos without captions and which do not really pertain to the story at
hand.
Don't say "no" just because of the extra postage--I'll be happy to send
this article to you.
Best regards,
Linda
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From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: How old are the 'greys'?
Date: 2 Sep 91 22:52:00 GMT
Hi Chris,
Would you please send me a copy of one-two pages of that comic book you
have showing the "gray alien?" I'll be happy to send $ome ca$h to
defray the postage and copy cost. Can you give me an address, or do
you want mine first?
Thanks, and best regards,
Linda
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From: John.Hrusovszky@f13.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (John Hrusovszky)
Subject: Ufo Tie-Ins?
Date: 3 Sep 91 04:58:53 GMT
Something has been bugging me for quite some time. It is the
relationship of Fatima and UFO's. Does anyone have any information at
all about the 3'rd revealing of Fatima that I have heard mentioned?
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