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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 467
Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 467
Saturday, August 31st 1991
Today's Topics:
phone #
Crop Circles - The Ickleton Mandelbrot
Orion
Re: New UFO Titles!
Re: phone #
Re: Orion
Oechsler
New Linda Moulton Howe Documentary
Re: New UFO Titles!
Re: Cattle Mutilations
Ogden Objects
Alien Liaison
Crop Circles vs. Fractals
Re: Ogden Objects
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From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff)
Subject: phone #
Date: 29 Aug 91 04:55:00 GMT
Hi, Jim
I'd like to talk to you about a few things over the phone if
possible. Can you post an evening phone number where I can reach
you, along with the best days and times to make the attempt.
Thanks,
Sheldon
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From: John.Burke@f9.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke)
Subject: Crop Circles - The Ickleton Mandelbrot
Date: 29 Aug 91 06:43:00 GMT
Since I never heard of a Mandelbrot until I read Robert Trevelyan's message, I
took particular note of something I saw in the current issue of Compu$erve'$
magazine which arrived today. They have a program available for download to
Mac users with Color QuickDraw in ROM and a floating-point coprocessor. An FPU
is necessary on the LC. The file is called: MANDTV.SIT (32 kb) in Library 2
of the ZMAC Download & Support Forum. It's a high-res, color Mandlebrot
generator developed by Abbott Systems.
This is a Public Service Announcement from a Non-Mac-user.
It's freeware so try to freq it somewhere other than CI$.
-- John
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From: John.Burke@f9.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke)
Subject: Orion
Date: 29 Aug 91 07:03:00 GMT
Hi Jim!
Another thing I noticed in the current CI$ magazine was a
simulation game for Macs called "Orion". Here's the description:
> A simulation in which you fly at many times the speed of
> light through an accurate representation of space.
> Shareware. File ORION.SIT (56,832 bytes) in (MACFUN) lib 2
Is there anything like this available for us "normal" :-) DOS
people? I've been waiting for something like this for a while,
and I figure that you have too.
BTW, there's a great ad for Procomm Plus on pg 43 with
"insectograms", etc. It looks like DataStorm has the likes of us
ParaNet'ers in their crosshairs. Perhaps Bob X-ler would say:
"The CEO of DataStorm is a Brookings Inst. heavyweight ... " :-)
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From: Clark.Matthews@f4.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Re: New UFO Titles!
Date: 28 Aug 91 13:29:00 GMT
PF> > MESSENGERS OF DECEPTIONS. It may be out of print.
PF>I have a few of them coming in. They should be here on or
PF>about Friday. Paperback - $6.95
Sold! How much xtra for postage/handling?
Best,
Clark
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From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: phone #
Date: 29 Aug 91 06:34:00 GMT
In a message to Jim Speiser <08-28-91 21:55> Sheldon Wernikoff wrote:
-> I'd like to talk to you about a few things over the phone if
-> possible. Can you post an evening phone number where I can reach
Soitanly. 602-951-3458. Try me before 9PM MST, as I have a tendency to TRY
to go to sleep earlier these days. (Tonight was no exception, I was just
unsuccessful).
Jim
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From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: Orion
Date: 29 Aug 91 06:41:00 GMT
Hi John...
I saw a game like that for an Atari computer, I think it was called the
MEGA. I forget the name of the software, but you could basically warp around
the local area, out to around 20 ly, I think.
I hate to say it, but Oechsler DID make one good point, it DOES seem like
every segment of the media EXCEPT the hard news is targeting UFOs. Levi
Jeans with their EBE commercial, the abduction on "Dynasty", the UFO story
on "Miami Vice", that gray in the full page ad for....was it Atlantic
Richfield? I think it may just be the fact that there are UFO freaks in
every walk of life, and the media is no exception.
Jim
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From: vanth!jms
Subject: Oechsler
Date: 30 Aug 91 05:36:47 GMT
From: vanth!jms@amix.commodore.com (Jim Shaffer)
+ There's more. Bob apparently ran away and joined the Ringling Bros.
+and Barnum & Bailey International Organization, and as Bob tells it,
+from eaqrly NOv. 1989 thru late Jan. 1990, worked for them in getting
+actual captured alien spacecraft and an 'alien/ET corpse in a cryogenic
+tank' for use in a proposed travelling public exhibition.
Yow! Shades of the 'Minnesota Iceman'! (This was some sort of alleged
hairy humanoid frozen in a block of ice and touring various carnivals in, I
think, the sixties.)
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From: hpvclmd.vcd.hp.com!miked
Subject: New Linda Moulton Howe Documentary
Date: 30 Aug 91 07:24:37 GMT
From: Mike Dobbs <miked@hpvclmd.vcd.hp.com>
I spoke with Henry Winkler Productions today and was told that FOX has
scheduled Linda Moulton Howe's new UFO documentary for October 18 -
although this could change. The name of it is 'Mysteries of the Unknown'.
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Mike Dobbs / Internet: miked@vcd.hp.com
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From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: New UFO Titles!
Date: 30 Aug 91 04:31:00 GMT
Hi Paul -
Please post an address and I'll snailmail a check to you for the
Vallee book
(O boy, can't wait!)
Linda
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From: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen)
Subject: Re: Cattle Mutilations
Date: 28 Aug 91 07:21:00 GMT
* Replying to a message originally to Jim Delton
PF> > From what I've read, they don't seem to be able to pin
PF> > down a specific cause of death in very many cases, if
PF> > any. Also, in many cases they can't even find
PF> > footprints around the animal from the killers. They
PF> > often blame Satanists yet I don't recall a single
PF> > instance of the supposed satanists ever being caught
PF> > or of them even identifiying potential suspects.
PF>
PF> I don't recall reading a cause of death before either. But
PF> the question of "how to mutilate a cow" keeps coming up in
PF> my mind.
PF>
PF> Although I have no intention of mutilating a cow, I am
PF> serious about my question. Assume you wanted to extract
PF> some cow blood and organs from a cow, how do you go about
PF> it? You have to immobilize that cow somehow - but how?
I think an even bigger question along these lines should be:
* How do you prevent vascular collapse from occuring? *
This seems to be a key issue,in my opinion.
I don't think our current level of medical technology can accomplish this..
This appears to me in reviewing a number of mute reports, to be a
common thread. Even if you mutilate specific organs, you're going
to have blood loss..how, given the preciseness in the reported
cuts in animals are you going to be able to accomplish this minus
blood loss AND no vascular collapse..in many cases, there is _no_
blood..and the remaining organs of mutes don't show any damage or
collapse..
You _could_ use a laser..but I'm not sure how "efficient" this is
going to be nor am I overly convinced that it's use would prevent
vascular collapse..
Hmmmm.....to me , these issues would seem to winnow out a good deal
of so-called "satanic" rituals on some mutes..
Good question....
Don
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From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: Ogden Objects
Date: 30 Aug 91 17:46:00 GMT
Clark,
John Hicks has suggested I contact you about the story of
the mysterious metal objects supposedly found about 60 miles north
of Odgen. He says you might have a link. I'm really stumped on
this story and would appreciate any help or ideas or suggestions --
however "iffy" they might seem -- that you could offer and would
love to hear from you about this. Please let me know the best way
to reach you, or if I should send a phone number by Email or CIS.
Thank you for your time and help!
==Peggy==
(CIS #71760,1140)
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From: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Keith Basterfield)
Subject: Alien Liaison
Date: 31 Aug 91 18:06:00 GMT
To:Linda Bird
Thanks for the information re the MUFON Journal article on the book
"Alien Liaison". I have now received a copy of the MUFON Journal
article and digested it. It may well cast new light on the work of
Good and Oechsler.
Oechsler's MUFON conference paper in 1989: "The Chesapeake
Connection:An implication of corporate involvement in the cover up",
struck me as drawing some rather firm conclusions from threads only of
information/fact.
I am following up an item from "Alien Liaison"-pages 96-98 re a
mystery sphere said to have been found on the Woomera rocket range
here in South Australia in 1958/59. The book relates that similar
spheres were found in both South Australia and Queensland, states of
Australia in the early 1960's. This latter detail is correct, spheres
were found in the early 60's. However, these latter spheres, although
mysterious at first turned out to be satellite debris. The debris
included Russian oxygen tanks-spherical. Some of these tanks were
perfect spheres with no apparent joints but had been welded internally
using electonic techniques which were apparently ahead of both the USA
and UK at the time. Thus the mystery.
It could well be that Good's informant has his dates mixed up or it is
an attempt to cash in on the known facts. Good's informant is
anonymous I note.
I am attempting through unofficial channels to have the relevant
archives inspected.
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Crop Circles vs. Fractals
Date: 31 Aug 91 06:19:00 GMT
(4789) Mon 26 Aug 91 12:13p
By: Tgreenin@esoc.bitnet
To: All
Re: Fractals & Crop Circles
St: Local Sent 4989>
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From: TGREENIN@ESOC.BITNET
Date: 26 Aug 91 14:35:59 GMT
Message-ID: <91238.143544TGREENIN@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic
There was a report in the 25th August edition of the Sunday Telegraph
about crop circles. It appears that rather than the "traditional"
shapes, this time a Mandelbrot set has appeared in Cambridgeshire.
It was a relatively short article, and if anyone is interested I will
stick it on the net.
OK so it's a hoax, but how does one produce a fairly accurate looking
Mandelbrot set in the middle of a field? Any ideas?
Regards.
Tim Greening-Jackson
European Space Operations Centre, 6100 Darmstadt, Germany
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By: Tgreenin@esoc.bitnet
To: All
Re: Re: Fractals & Crop Circles
St: Local Sent <5566
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From: TGREENIN@ESOC.BITNET
Date: 29 Aug 91 13:57:36 GMT
Message-ID: <91241.115933TGREENIN@ESOC.BITNET>
Newsgroups: sci.skeptic
Here's the article about the crop circles. It is taken from
the Sunday Telegraph of 25th August 1991.
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CORNFIELD PHANTOM HAS FARMER FOXED
The most complex mathematical model - known as the
Mandelbrot set - has appeared as a beautifully-exectued de-
sign in a wheat field south of Cambridge.
At first presumed to be an elaborate hoax perpetrated by
Cambridge University students, the area of flattened cereal
- only visible from the air - extended for about 180 feet
and was first spotted by a commuting businessman from a
light aircraft before the crop was harvested.
"I haven't a clue what caused it," said Mr. Hugh Raybone, on
whose farm at Barley, near Royston, the phenomenon occured.
"I certainly have not cooperated in any hoax."
His farming neighbour, Mrs. Sian Wombwell, walked around the
configuration.
"I stood in the middle of it. It was quite astonishing," she
said. "I graduated in biology and have been an agronomist by
trade for 15 years. If this was a hoax it was extraordinar-
ily clever.
"We know that it arrived overnight in a field of wheat 30
inches tall. It would have required floodlights to carry it
out. It was incredibly precise," said Mrs. Wombwell.
"Each circle was perfect, the wheat flattened clockwise, and
at the base of the heart it tapered down to a single stalk
of wheat. Every stalk had been flattened one quarter of an
inch above the soil. There were no footmark in the
tramlines left by spraying machinery and no sign of any ma-
chinery used to create the effect. It was beautifully done,
but how, I can't even begin to speculate."
Cambridge mathematics department denies any involvement with
the appearance of the arable Mandelbrot design - a computer-
generated figure spawned via the vogue theory of "chaos
mathematics".
The man who discovered it, Mr. Benoit Mandelbrot, was very
pleased to hear of his theory taking root.
"I think it's extremely amusing," said the computer re-
searcher yesterday. "And it's certainly pleasing to be
rememebered in this way. But I can tell you, I plead not
guilty. Was it a students' joke? I don't think it was the
work of extra-terrestrials. I can't wait to see what the
next one will look like.
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Comments?
Tim Greening-Jackson
European Space Operations Centre, 6100 Darmstadt, Germany
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From: Clark.Matthews@f4.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Re: Ogden Objects
Date: 31 Aug 91 16:42:00 GMT
PN> John Hicks has suggested I contact you about the
PN>story of the mysterious metal objects supposedly found
PN>about 60 miles north of Odgen. He says you might have a
PN>link. I'm really stumped on this story and would
PN>appreciate any help or ideas or suggestions -- however
PN>"iffy" they might seem -- that you could offer and would
PN>love to hear from you about this. Please let me know the
PN>best way to reach you, or if I should send a phone number
PN>by Email or CIS.
Hi Peggy. My link is a tenuous one. A user on my BBS is an engineer who's
done some "dark grey" (semi-black, in other words) work from time to time.
He heard about the things from a professional acquaintance in a similar
line of work.
OMNI is on the case, apparently. Present thinking is that the objects may
be leftovers from the MX missile track that was planned for the Ogden area
in the mid-70's. That does not explain why the DOE would dig them up, by
happenstance, 15 years later while burrowing a nuclear materials depository
3 times deeper than they ordinarily do.
Either the DOE thing is a cover for a nuclear mess buried by the USAF in the
1970s before they lost funding for MX (maybe it's over an aquafer?). Or
maybe DOE is up to something else & needs a prefab, deeply dug tunnel
system. In the opinion of the fellow here, it's no accident that the thing
was uncovered, simply because one of his friends was involved.
Best way to leave a number for me is to call my BBS: 201-451-5583. I don't
get on CIS at all these days.
Best,
Clark
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