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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 460
Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 460
Monday, August 19th 1991
Today's Topics:
UFO Dictionary
UFO Dictionary
UFO Dictionary
UFO Dictionary
UFO Dictionary
UFO Info Net
UFO Info Net
UFO Dictionary
UFO Dictionary
Communion
UFO Dictionary
Communion
UFO Dictionary
UFO Info Net
UFO Dictionary
Re: Alien Liaison
Re: Betcha you can't touch this :-)
Re: Leslie Watkins/Alternative III
NOTICE OF UPCOMING EVENT
Re: NEW PLANET
CROP CIRCLES
Cattle Mutilations
Re: GULF BREEZE NEWS
Gulf Breeze News
Re: **** Warning *****
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From: Graham.Pyne@f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Graham Pyne)
Subject: UFO Dictionary
Date: 19 Jun 91 08:10:00 GMT
Hi Bob,
>apparent then, was that there were a group of files that seemed
>to refer to commentaries or rebuttals of material that was not
>there, but could be related to Cooper, Lear, Moore and Friedman.
Yeah I noticed a lot of files that refered to previous Paranet
files that weren't on the BBS. And many implying that previous
information was untrue.
>it just seems that this particular puzzle is becoming clearer.
>Its more fun than reading detective stories!
It's good when things seem to come together isn't it! A pity
we can't read the last chapter first to find out 'who done it'.
RE: KWIC
>This is an effective method, particularly where the material
>consists of text files. Also you can make a shorter database
>just out of a string consisting of the Title, Author, and date.
Make it a bit easier to find what your looking for that's for sure.
Just out of interest has anyone tried using (have experience in)
an expert system, this might be a useful tool for research.
cya
Graham.
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From: Paul.Vigo@f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Paul Vigo)
Subject: UFO Dictionary
Date: 21 Jun 91 09:15:00 GMT
> I was thinking more of an introduction for new users, you
> know sort of get them interested in the subject. Instead of
> them becoming bewildered by our messages and the files
> stating people, places, terms and events that they know
> nothing about. They could reference the "dictionary" and have
> a better understanding of what we are talking about. Which in
> consequence could also be used by us as a reference, etc...
well it sounds like a good idea.. but if it's zoist exclusive, at
least at first, you may as well automate it to keep it as up to date as
possible..
there's an external bbs door (don't know many details) which lets
you set up a hypercard like environment, ie an expert system which can be
consulted actively (like an encyclopaedia), passively (by producing computer
collated reports of the extent of the information it has been given [in the
form of paragraphs, articles, etc]), or interactively as a true(sortof)
expert system (much like a realy good relational database)..
the advantages are that it's easily updateable, thus allways current
(information is modular and thus automaticly linked via specified keywords
to the rest of the information-base), it's automatic, and thus quick(so
users can look up explainations of buzzwords etc when they notice them in a
piece of mail, and can then go on to ask for cross references should they
need more information), and that the information can be distributed to other
bbs's or offline users via a downloadable/printed copy of it's automaticly
alphabetized and indexed "infiormation dumps"..
ok so i'm not that much into the software that i know where to get
this or how much hasstle it's going to be, but i do kno that i've heard of a
system like this running as a door on an IBM pc based bbs.. it's an idea!!
yours truly, paul vigo..
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From: Graham.Pyne@f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Graham Pyne)
Subject: UFO Dictionary
Date: 23 Jun 91 07:33:00 GMT
Hello Paul,
Thanks for your comments on the UFO dictionary idea. It sounds like a very
good idea. Would you have any more information on this door, where I could
find a copy, which BBS it was on, etc...
Of course we'll need to test it, before even suggesting the idea to Bob
(sysop). Thanks again, I'll try and track this down myself but any
information that may help would be welcome!
cya
Graham.
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From: Gavin.Gregson@f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Gavin Gregson)
Subject: UFO Dictionary
Date: 25 Jun 91 00:17:00 GMT
Yo!
> CE3 - is visual contact.
> CE4 - is physical contact.(abduction, etc...)
I've had a close encounter of the twenty-second kind, that's when an alien
spaceship dissapears up your... - from "I've never met a nice South African"
by Spitting Image.
> I doubt that, I still feel most people don't want to hear
> about this sort of stuff! Some people when you strike up this
> sort of converstion, try to change the subject.
Strange isn't it? >:-[ <Paranoid smiley
> Sounds good to me!
Me too...
Cya!
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From: Graham.Pyne@f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Graham Pyne)
Subject: UFO Dictionary
Date: 25 Jun 91 10:03:00 GMT
> Yo!
> I've had a close encounter of the twenty-second kind, that's
> when an alien spaceship dissapears up your... - from "I've
> never met a nice South African" by Spitting Image.
Is this supposed to be funny!?
> > I doubt that, I still feel most people don't want to hear
> > about this sort of stuff! Some people when you strike up this
> > sort of converstion, try to change the subject.
> Strange isn't it? >:-[ <Paranoid smiley
I think it's more that they don't want to hear about something they don't
want to believe! Paranoia is more for the people who believe!
cya
Graham.
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From: Bob.Laidlaw@f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Bob Laidlaw)
Subject: UFO Info Net
Date: 27 Jun 91 22:18:00 GMT
Bob, a friend has just asked me to find out if you have any
information on an amateur radio UFO information net called:
ALFA RADIO INTERNATIONAL DX GROUP
Frequency: 27.525 USB & LSB
operates every Sunday. (time?)
I think he is interested in getting a HAM license. Who should he
contact for this information?
regards, Bob
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From: Bob.Fletcher@f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Bob Fletcher)
Subject: UFO Info Net
Date: 28 Jun 91 17:37:00 GMT
> ALFA RADIO INTERNATIONAL DX GROUP
> Frequency: 27.525 USB & LSB
Hi Bob,
The frequency you have given in on the CB Band not the ham
bands. I have no news of this. There was a Ham group in NSW ran
by Sam Voron VK2BVS. I wrote to Sam and received a reply but it did
not say anything about the UFO group so I was left without an answer.
There is some interest at putting UFO related material on the packet
BBS' but the regulations make it that we cannot have a gateway.
I will answer your other question in the ham area.
Regards,
Bob......
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From: Gavin.Gregson@f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Gavin Gregson)
Subject: UFO Dictionary
Date: 28 Jun 91 20:13:00 GMT
Hi there!
> > when an alien spaceship dissapears up your... - from "I've
> > never met a nice South African" by Spitting Image.
> Is this supposed to be funny!?
It is if you know the song...
> I think it's more that they don't want to hear about
> something they don't want to believe! Paranoia is more for
> the people who believe!
Funny, isn't? Society is totally conditioned into assuming instantly that
ANYTHING to do with UFO's is to be disregarded. You realise that even if you
saw one first hand the chances are that your own family would not believe
you? Weird... Whoever thought up this big scam should be promoted, 99% of
the population wouldn't believe one existed even if one landed in front of
them.
Oh well, c'est la vie. Cya round!
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From: Graham.Pyne@f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Graham Pyne)
Subject: UFO Dictionary
Date: 29 Jun 91 14:24:00 GMT
> Hi there!
> Funny, isn't? Society is totally conditioned into assuming
> instantly that ANYTHING to do with UFO's is to be
> disregarded. You realise that even if you saw one first hand
> the chances are that your own family would not believe you?
> Weird... Whoever thought up this big scam should be promoted,
> 99% of the population wouldn't believe one existed even if
> one landed in front of them.
Unbelievable as it maybe, this seems to be the case! Incredible isn't it,
your own family probably wont believe you! Which reminds me I just finished
watching a preview of Communion on Video. Yes, it is the movie of the book
by Whitley Streiber. Boy did they stuff it up or what, the movie is so
Weird! It's so much stranger than the book it's unbelievable, everyone is
going to treat the UFO phenomena with even less respect after watching this
movie!
Talk again later,
cya, Graham.
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From: Brad.Foenander@f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Brad Foenander)
Subject: Communion
Date: 1 Jul 91 03:56:00 GMT
> Well if Bob doesn't mind me advertising on his BBS! I work at
> Hartnett Video, which is in Hartnett Drive, Seaford. It's
> just of Seaford Road. If you live too far away to get there,
> then I can't help you. Except to say you my try asking at
> your local Video Shops.
hmmm!.. seaford is just a little bit too far away. I live in the waverley
area, so its at least a 40 minute drive (If I had a car and a license!)
I'll have to check out a couple of the local ones to see if I have any luck
at finding them.. Thanks again for the info!
> Ya I've got a couple of exams coming up soon too, real nasty
> ones by the looks of things. :-(
well mine are finally over.. now its party time!
Brad
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From: Paul.Vigo@f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Paul Vigo)
Subject: UFO Dictionary
Date: 1 Jul 91 09:14:00 GMT
don't kno much more info no the door hypertext program.. but ask around..
perhaps you could even run a simple system based on some of the simpler
programs available in the public domain.. but who knows.. sorry i don't have
more info...
y t p v
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From: Graham.Pyne@f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Graham Pyne)
Subject: Communion
Date: 1 Jul 91 10:27:00 GMT
Hello Brad,
> hmmm!.. seaford is just a little bit too far away. I live in
> the waverley area, so its at least a 40 minute drive (If I
> had a car and a license!)
>
> I'll have to check out a couple of the local ones to see if I
> have any luck at finding them.. Thanks again for the info!
Sounds like that would be your best option! GoodLuck, and if you can't find
it anywhere else maybe we could organize something, do that you can have a
look see.
RE: Exams
> well mine are finally over.. now its party time!
Lucky person, I've still got two too go!
cya,
Graham.
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From: Graham.Pyne@f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Graham Pyne)
Subject: UFO Dictionary
Date: 1 Jul 91 10:29:00 GMT
Hello Paul,
RE: Hypertext Door.
That's O.K. I'll see what I can find out. Thanks for the suggestion anyway.
cya
Graham.
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From: Bob.Laidlaw@f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Bob Laidlaw)
Subject: UFO Info Net
Date: 1 Jul 91 16:55:00 GMT
> > ALFA RADIO INTERNATIONAL DX GROUP
> > Frequency: 27.525 USB & LSB
>
> Hi Bob,
> The frequency you have given in on the CB Band not
> the ham bands. I have no news of this. There was a Ham
> group in NSW ran by Sam Voron VK2BVS. I wrote to Sam and
Thanks Bob, I thought it was too high a frequency for Ham radio. It
would be borderline high for an International net, I think, probably
only work in less usual ionospheric propagation conditions. I'll get
back to this guy with your info.
regards, Bob
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From: Robert.Cooke@f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Robert Cooke)
Subject: UFO Dictionary
Date: 30 Jun 91 04:54:00 GMT
Why don't they show spitting image in Australia??? Its one of the best shows
around.
-+-
# Origin: Science Associates, Perth WA. (9:1037/0)
@PATH: 1030/0 1030/8
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From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: Re: Alien Liaison
Date: 18 Aug 91 17:41:00 GMT
Linda,
I saw your message about the MUFON journal which checked up
on Bob Oechsler...you mentioned they'd looked into his claims of
employment and other things. Can you say more? Did he turn out to
be credible or questionable after the investigation?
(BTW, what's the journal's address/cost?)
Thanks!
==Peggy==
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From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: Betcha you can't touch this :-)
Date: 19 Aug 91 05:17:00 GMT
In a message to Don Allen <08-17-91 19:07> Linda Bird wrote:
->I'm quite sure I have that film (UFO's are Real) myself --
->starts out with some sort of object flying across a
->desert-scape at very high speeds. It's worth another
That's the one. A very impressive effort, until they started talking about
Billy Meier....
Jim
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From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: Leslie Watkins/Alternative III
Date: 19 Aug 91 05:20:00 GMT
Hi, Peggy...
I don't have his current address, but I do have a file on tap here at
Zeta-Reticuli that purports to be "the definitive word on Alternative III."
How shall I transport it to you?
Jim
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From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: NOTICE OF UPCOMING EVENT
Date: 19 Aug 91 05:27:00 GMT
Event: NATIONAL NEW AGE AND ALIEN AGENDA CONFERENCE
Place: Airport Holiday Inn, Phoenix, AZ
Dates: September 6-9
Price: General Pass: $115 (<Aug 30) $130 (thereafter)
Single Event: $20 at door
Workshops: $40
Concert: $15
Phone: Tickets: 602-841-4953
Lodging: 602-273-7778
Among those speakers who will be of interest to the majority of our users:
Capt. Kevin Randle, author, "UFO Crash at Roswell"
Larry Warren, Bentwaters Witness
John Burroughs, Bentwaters Witness
Guy Kirkwood, former AF Capt. who flew secret recon missions to photograph
UFOs (this assumes he is sufficiently recovered from his injuries)
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From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: NEW PLANET
Date: 15 Aug 91 16:08:39 GMT
I'm not very good with astronomy news, but for some reason the article I
lifted the information from, concludes that this is the first. I have a
feeling that it is not proven yet, so until then, it's just another theory.
Fred Van de Kamp may have theorized he found planets, and maybe he has not
been proven wrong or right, so it stands on it's own merit depending on the
viewpoint. In other words, it's possible he did.
How about 4.1 billion year old rocks, and people still claim that the planet
is under 5000 years old? (I know, lets not continue this, it's just a point.)
As long as I am writing, if you don't have my name on the list for the first
sample issue, it's PO BOX 17052, Milwaukee, WI 53217 Thanks!
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From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)
Subject: CROP CIRCLES
Date: 15 Aug 91 16:50:00 GMT
I'm still very suspicious about the crop circles validity. In aprox. the
last year they have gone from swirls and circles to pictographs. The lab that
says there is crystaline change, is some fringe nutritional group. The main
proponents are authors and publicity seekers. I won't say they are all hoaxes
and silliness, but something is still very fishy not to mention the newest
pictures.
Now it's getting to the point of how many are hoaxed and then what about the
rest that have not been proven hoaxes? I don't think many people are even
interested in proving they are not real mysterys, but the supporters are
lobbying awfully hard to validate these as paranormal, UFO related, or
otherwise.
I remember very clearly that one year ago, the number of crops circles that
had associated lights or UFO connections was very small.
Now we have almost all connected with lights and UFO's. Something is very
wrong.
If you remember Crop Circles were almost a non-topic last year, and
considered not UFO related. (of course for us Paranet folks it still fits
either way fortunatly) While this is not directed at you, I see that you are
more current with related information. Any ideas on why things are changing,
or what's going on here? Sudden change of the phenomenon, characteristics,
results and perceptions is suspect.
I'm not going to be convinced about this on faith alone, or just wanting it
to be true. So tell me where to go <grin> for some better information.
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From: Paul.Faeder@f70.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Paul Faeder)
Subject: Cattle Mutilations
Date: 17 Aug 91 06:23:56 GMT
> "We don't know the cause of death
> of the animals. That's still under
> investigation," Solano said.
The cause of death is something I hadn't thought about.
After all, draining of blood and removal of vital organs
would do it. But these "perpetrators" must have some way of
neutralizing or killing the animal before mutilation.
Has anyone found gunshot wounds, presence of chemicals/drugs
on *any* mutilated animal?
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: GULF BREEZE NEWS
Date: 16 Aug 91 07:41:02 GMT
> So is there any reasonable evidence that what people are seeing
> is a distress flare in the latest red light events? Or is there
> something more unexplained than great imagination and hoaxers?
The investigator told me that in one instance, bits of flaming stuff
(whatever's in flares) fell on cars, and he mentioned that a few
other incidents were found to be probably flares. He also mentioned
that a guy with a lighted kite was caught. But, lest anyone get the
wrong idea, he was saying that *some* of the redlight sightings were
flares; a minority, not all.
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Gulf Breeze News
Date: 16 Aug 91 07:50:03 GMT
> Thanks for the update. I would be curious to know how they
> determine which are the results of red-light flares and the real
> sightings?
See my reply to Pete Porro for part of it.
It appears that in the case of parachute flares, they drift with the
wind, descend, and eventually just plain go out.
In the case of "real" redlights, they appear to have certain
different characteristics. They have been seen to hold still, not
drifting or descending, and have been seen to move upwind. Another
characteristic is that there's a steady red light, then a bright white
flash, then darkness.
I suspect, although I can't confirm it, that the "real" redlights
are at a much greater altitude than flares could be fired from the
ground. Of course a flare could be dropped from an airplane, but the
airplane would most likely be seen and heard.
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: **** Warning *****
Date: 16 Aug 91 07:54:04 GMT
> I just had to reply to your message about the brain. On last
> week's episode of "Prime Time Pets," there was a story about a
> dog who could sense when his owner was about to have an
> epileptic seizure. What's more, this situation apparently isn't
> unique!
Maybe the epileptics move or behave in certain ways that the dogs
have learned is followed by a seizure. Dogs commonly anticipate their
owner's commands. My dog usually does.
jbh
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