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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 432
Monday, July 1st 1991
Today's Topics:
Martian Anomalies
Any relationship between Randles ........................
Re: CROP CIRCLES?
Re: "N" Machine
Re: Crop Circles?
object moving towards earth
Re: Any relationship between Randles ........................
STRIEBER LETTER
Any relationship between Randles ........................
Your book review in Skeptical Inquirer
(none)
Trilater Commission, CFR references
(none)
World War II and UFOs
Re: STRIEBER LETTER
Re: STRIEBER LETTER
Roswell on Phx Radio
Re:panel
Re: Paranet Newsletter 428
Re: Crash at Roswell
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From: ncar!dg-rtp.dg.com!grossg
Subject: Martian Anomalies
Date: 27 Jun 91 23:23:33 GMT
From: grossg@dg-rtp.dg.com (Gene Gross)
Hi Ya'll:
Has anyone heard anything about Hoagland, et al, of late? Things seem
to have quieted down -- well, I've been downright busy so what do I
know.
If there has been anything going on with the Martian anomalies, could
somebody who knows please post an update.
Hey, Clark, I'm finally able to post again. How's the BBS going?
Once my PC at home gets up and running again, I've got a piece that I
want to upload. I've been having severe hard disk problems with the
new hard disk. So the PC is back in the shop.
Later--
Gene
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From: ncar!bamboo.cax.tek.com!doughe
Subject: Any relationship between Randles ........................
Date: 28 Jun 91 01:13:01 GMT
From: Doug Helbling <doughe@bamboo.cax.tek.com>
Pardon a possible redundancy here, but is there any relation
between Kevin Randle, coauthor of 'UFO Crash at Roswell', and
Jenny Randle of the UK, coauthor of a number of books on the
crop circle phenomena?
Doug H.
INTERNET: doughe@tekcae.cax.tek.com (Doug Helbling)
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From: Jim.Speiser@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: CROP CIRCLES?
Date: 27 Jun 91 14:35:00 GMT
In a message to David Villa <06-24-91 13:34> Pete Porro wrote:
->If it's the cover I'm thinking of, the circles are
->irrigation arms photographed from the air. Notice how none
Irrigation arms? Why has no one else come up with such a routine
explanation?
Jim
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From: James.Nugent@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (James Nugent)
Subject: Re: "N" Machine
Date: 27 Jun 91 02:22:00 GMT
Hi,
Well first of all what exactly does the 'N' machine do? Where may I find
information about it?
James.
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From: John.Feilke@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (John Feilke)
Subject: Re: Crop Circles?
Date: 27 Jun 91 04:01:00 GMT
In a message to All <06-21-91 15:52> David Villa wrote:
DV=> Does anyone know if that weird chain of symbols in the
DV=>crops on the cover of the Led Zepplin collection is a crop
DV=>circle? If so, that sure is a weird 'circle'. Looks more
DV=>like artwork to me.
crop circle....
John
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From: Dane.Lancaster@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Dane Lancaster)
Subject: object moving towards earth
Date: 28 Jun 91 17:29:00 GMT
Has anyone heard any news about an object detected just crossing
the orbit of pluto
I recently heard a number of people on a locaradio talk show
say that JPL may be aware of this object. It is said that this object
has apparently made 3 course corrections have taken place while
observing this object. Earth orbit arrival time is said to be
sometime in 92. anyone have info on this.
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From: ncar!bamboo.cax.tek.com!doughe
Subject: Re: Any relationship between Randles ........................
Date: 28 Jun 91 21:36:37 GMT
From: Doug Helbling <doughe@bamboo.cax.tek.com>
Oops .... poor research on my part. A closer review of the
source references says that Jenny is a Ranles, with an 'S'.
Sorry for the fodder.
Doug H
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From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff)
Subject: STRIEBER LETTER
Date: 29 Jun 91 05:10:00 GMT
THE FOLLOWING OPEN LETTER FROM WHITLEY STRIEBER WAS RECEIVED ON
28/JUNE/1991:
I would like to thank you for your patronage of the Communion
Letter. Your subscription ends with this issue, and we are not
taking new subscriptions or renewals. A list of available back
issues is printed on the reverse of this letter for those who may
{be interested in collecting.
I had always intended to run the newsletter about two years, and
{that amount of time has now passed. During this period the
Communion Letter has gained a large circulation and, I believe,
published some remarkable articles.
But all good things must come to an end. I am not a UFO researcher
and do not wish to endure the continued media attack that is
associated with being involved in this field. In addition, the
so-called "UFO-ologists" are probably the cruellest, nastiest and
craziest people I have ever encountered. Their interpretation of
the visitor experience is rubbish from beginning to end. The
"abduction reports" that they generate are not real. They are
artifacts of hypnosis and cultural conditioning.
What we are experiencing is a perceptual anomaly that is
sufficiently ambiguous and intense that it demands explanation. It
is something that human beings have been experiencing for a long
time. It is the cause of religion, of mythology, of folklore.
Presently it is the cause of the "alien abduction" belief.
What is really (italicized) behind our experiences? We are. This is
a human thing. However, I would also say that it indicates that we
- and our world - are vastly different, and far more strange, than
we have ever dreamed, or dared imagine.
With that I leave you.
Whitley Streiber
>SW Any comments folks?
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Any relationship between Randles ........................
Date: 28 Jun 91 23:44:00 GMT
> From: Doug Helbling <doughe@bamboo.cax.tek.com>
>
>
> Pardon a possible redundancy here, but is there any relation
> between Kevin Randle, coauthor of 'UFO Crash at Roswell', and
> Jenny Randle of the UK, coauthor of a number of books on the
> crop circle phenomena?
> Doug H.
Nope. The British authoress' name is "Randles", not Randle.
Jim
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From: Linda.Bird@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Your book review in Skeptical Inquirer
Date: 29 Jun 91 05:35:00 GMT
Hi James,
That was an excellent book review you wrote for the summer '91 S.I.
on Jerome Clark's new book, "UFOs in the 1980s: The UFO Encyclopedia,
Vol.1."
Your review pretty much falls in line with another review I read,
in UFO Magazine, I think. The outrageous price of the book for just
a meager 234 pages escapes me! No pictures? The book is supposed to
be an Encyclopedia, for crying out loud!
I appreciate your comparison to the other encyclopedia-type book
by Ronald D. Story. Perhaps that one is worth reading rather than
Clark's. We all held our breath waiting for Clark's book, and it seems
be asore diappointment.
Was your impression that Clark just wrote the book in a hurry
between other projects? Was he too anxious to get a jump on the
subject now that we are in the 90's? I am dismayed that, according to
your review, he only reviewedm - 8 - cases!!
Your review makes me think I'll just buy this book someday when I
see it for sale at a garage sale or library sale someday.
Best regards,
Linda Bird
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From: ncar!ecn.purdue.edu!lush
Subject: (none)
Date: 29 Jun 91 21:32:49 GMT
From: lush@ecn.purdue.edu (Gregory B Lush)
Subject: Trilater Commission, CFR references
? From: acobley@microcomputer-centre.dundee.ac.uk
? Subject: Trilateral Commision.
? Date: 28 May 91 11:32:26 GMT
?
? From: andy cobley <acobley@microcomputer-centre.dundee.ac.uk>
?
? I have seen mention of the Trilateral Commision on this digest
? for some time, along with the Bildeborg (sp?). My question is
? this, What are these two groups. What is there cover purpose,
? and what is their real purpose ?
?
? Andy
?
? acobley@mic.dund.ac.uk
?
The following quotes are from a book about the Council on Foreign Relations,
called 'Imperial Brain Trust,' by Shoup and Minter. I have inserted some
other information (and opinions/comments) as parenthetical paragraphs to
supplement their info. I consider this book and any other like it to be
MUST reading if one is to unravel what is going on--especially in UFO
investigations. There is much speculation over things such as MJ-12 and
other doings attributed to the Council, and it is hard to discern truth from
'others' because everything is so secretive and authors are
contradictory--sometimes in their own writings.
In this book the authors review some major events in US history--WW II,
Korean and Vietnam wars for instance--and show the influence of the
Council in how the US foreign and domestic policies were shaped.
It is a factual book. It is not about conspiracy theory (the Council's
influence is neither a conspiracy nor a theory as it is easily found out and
is undeniably true); the writings are not based on some 'secret friend'
within the Council. Rather, it is based on documents published by the Council
itself. These are well footnoted. After reading this book, I realized that
the possibility of a study group like MJ-12 being created, whether it is
called Majority or Majestic, was a very likely enterprise of the Council
rather than an unlikely one. With its vast resources and interconnections,
its domination of foreign and domestic policy, one can easily conclude that
the description of the scenario of aliens/CFR/Kissinger fits well with the
Council's capabilities and track record.
The book goes through a lot of statistics of how many major U.S. figures,
from presidents to cabinet members to representatives, are members of the
Council. It also shows all the media, educational (all presidents of Ivy
Leagues schools), and corporate membership. Also, there are the foundations
like Ford and Carnegie, or the Brookings Institute. It is quite an elite
group of powerful people. (Although outdated since it is 15 years old, it
still provides an excellent starting point for you.) It also juxtaposes
statements by presidents with opinions formed by Council studies. The
similarities are striking. It indicates who is pulling the strings.
The most interesting part of the book is the last chapter,
'Towards the 1980s: The Council's Plans for a New World Order.'
(Oops!)
And I thought that was Bush's idea! Well, actually I didn't. This book was
written in 1976. This last chapter is most instructive since it allows you
to see that which two writers deduced to be plans for the changing of the world
economic scene in the future, and then you can compare it with what is going
on and with what is coming out of Bush's mouth and the mouths of his advisers
today. Bush is a member of CFR and the Trilateral Comission. The Trilateral
Commission is a section of the CFR--the elite of the elite, one could say.
It was founded and all original funding privided for by John D. Rockefeller.
One writer once said that the Trilateral Commission was formed to make the
world safe for international banking. But that is speculation so I won't
mention that.
Why is this a MUST reading? Because all people in control of major media
outlets (including Ted Turner and CNN) are members of the Council. Your
information comes largely from that media so you must know who is telling
you what you are hearing. You may even sense the possibility of hidden intent!
Also, people are always complaining
in this newsletter about how the media covers the 'Woman from Venus' better
than it covers scientific study of the UFO phenomenon. If indeed the Council
decided, for whatever reason, that Americans should not hear about alien
contacts, the members who control media outlets will act accordingly.
That includes publishing houses.
It makes the sorting on your behalf so much more difficult--yet still not
impossible if you start with the right clues such as who controls what
you are hearing.
FROM THE BOOK IMPERIAL BRAIN TRUST
Over fifty years ago, in the wake of the First World War, a group of wealthy
and influential Americans decided to form an organization. The Council on
Foreign Relations, as it was subsequently named, was designed to equip the
United States of America for an imperial role on the world scene.
The British version is called the Royal Institute of International Affairs, or
more informally, Chatham House...
(GBL: There is one of these in every major country, including
Russia, and they answer to the Bilderbergers.)
The Council can be seen, in part, as an attempt to reestablish unity amont the
internationalist forces that were split by the League (of Nations) ratification
controversy, and to organize a solid bipartisan base for educating American
elite opinion as to the proper role the United States should play in the world.
There was general agreement among the Council members that the United States had
to have a large, even dominant, global role. As early as 1898, (Edwin F.) Gay
had written: 'When I think of the British Empire as our inheritance I think simply
of the natural right of succession.'
(GBL: 1898 is in the wake of our first taste
of imperialism in the Spanish-American war)
In 1927, with 'Foreign Affairs' well established, more systematic attention was
given to the study and research program of the Council. This aspect of the
Council's work became its most important activity as the years went by. The
goal of the study and research activities was, and still is, to provide advance
planning to solve the long-range problems facing America's rulers. As such,
the Council's work was often theoretical, putting scholarship at the service
of corporate and financial interests.
It is not difficult to find the reason for the Council's interest in the world
and in an expansionist American foreign policy. The Council, dominated by
corporate leaders, saw expansion of American trade, investment, and population
as the preservation of the status quo at home, and this involved overseas
expansion. As (Geographer Isaiah) Bowman put it in 1928, foreign raw materials,
imports, and exports were necessary 'if we are to avoid crises in our constantly
expanding industries.'...Bowman and the CFR concluded that a more activist
American foreign policy was necessary.
The assumptions, perspectives, and framework for the policymaking which led to
United States entry into World War II were based on the Council's
Grand Area planning. (GBL: The Grand Area was just about everything that was
left and worth having after subtracting the land controlled by Japan and Germany.)
Council memoranda to the Department of State during 1940 and 1941 often emphasized
that Southeast Asia, including the Netherlands Indies, was a
key world area of great strategic and economic importance.
President Roosevelt agreed (GBL: surprise!) with the State Department-Council on
Foreign Relations view, stressing the danger to British and American raw
material supplies which Japanese expansion posed. The President stated during
the second half of 1941 that a Japanese attack on British and Dutch possessions
in the Far East would immediately threaten the vital interests of the nation
and 'should result in war with Japan.'
END QUOTING
I stopped because I could go on forever short of copying the whole book. I
don't agree with everything they say/believe/conclude, but that is because I
live 15 years later than this book. I just wanted to give a taste,
but I don't know if I selected appropriate sections.
After reading this book, I remembered how people usually refer to our foreign
policy decisions regarding Russia, China, Korea, Vietnam, Israel, and now Iraq
as mistakes. 'We underestimated this, or overestimated that. We have stupid
people working in the State Department.' I don't know how many people I have
talked to truly believe this. This argument becomes untenable when you
understand the brain power (or 'Brain Trust') which is advising our officials.
I can only conclude that such actions are calculated. You can also read books
by John Toland ( a Pulizter Prize-winning historian) and by Charles Tansil
called 'Infamy: Pearl Harbor and its Aftermath' and "Back Door to War,"
respectively. These document how we (all the way to President Roosevelt)
knew the Japanese were about to attack Pearl Harbor and yet did nothing about
it. We had both their military codes and diplomatic codes broken at that
time. We also put such economic pressure on Japan that its only choice was
to go to war with us. Sacrificing a few ships and men in Pearl Harbor would
not in any way spell doom for us, but would get us into the war as FDR and
Churchill wished. I don't remove blame from the aggressive Japanese. Rather,
I see how Council members guided the events using their positions in the
State department and our Presidency. That situation is strikingly similar
to the events leading to the Persian Gulf War.
Does this mean that all members of the Council or all actions of the Council
are bad? No. The members do lots of philanthropic work and studies that
benefit people. I mentions this because I feel you need to know what is
behind what people say and who are the people who are saying it. If you are
listening to CBS or NPR, issues always come up so that they need to interview
an 'expert' to explain to you how you should feel about the situation. That
person is usually from the Ford Foundation, from Carnegie Endowment for
International Peace, or from the Brookings Institute. You can bet that that
person belongs to the Council on Foreign Relations.
I hope this helps answer Andy's question and peaks some interest. It is
worthwhile reading and the information, when applied to aid in discernment,
can be infinitely helpful. I just hope people don't disregard it.
Greg (lush@ecn.purdue.edu)
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From: ncar!ecn.purdue.edu!lush
Subject: (none)
Date: 30 Jun 91 01:21:32 GMT
From: lush@ecn.purdue.edu (Gregory B Lush)
Subject: World War II and UFOs
There were a couple posts recently which referred to sightings
of UFOs by World War II pilots. I believe there is a book called
'UFOs: Nazi Secret Weapon?' out there somewhere. Has anyone seen
this or know where it can be obtained?
Thanks
Greg (lush@ecn.purdue.edu)
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From: Jim.Speiser@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: STRIEBER LETTER
Date: 29 Jun 91 19:14:00 GMT
In a message to All <06-28-91 22:10> Sheldon Wernikoff wrote:
->THE FOLLOWING OPEN LETTER FROM WHITLEY STRIEBER WAS
->RECEIVED ON 28/JUNE/1991:
->The "abduction reports" that they generate are not real. They are
->artifacts of hypnosis and cultural conditioning.
->
->>SW Any comments folks?
I'm not the least bit surprised. Anyone who has read between the lines of
what Streiber has been saying would know that he's been leading up to this.
He has never claimed that the aliens were real. This is why I have never
completely written him off, although I do feel his behavior at times is
aberrant. I've always felt that Streiber's writings on the field were
thought-provoking, and actually some of the best stuff I've read, though he
can be JUST as nasty and crazy as the rest of us.
Jim
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From: Jim.Delton@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Delton)
Subject: Re: STRIEBER LETTER
Date: 29 Jun 91 21:18:00 GMT
I have to say that WHitley seems to be one of the few people deeply
immersed in one of the stranger areas of UFOLOGY who seems to have
retained much rationality and perspective on the whole thing.
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From: Jim.Speiser@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Roswell on Phx Radio
Date: 30 Jun 91 06:42:00 GMT
A local programming note (those of you unfortunate enough not to live in the
Valley of the Sun, please indulge us for a moment).
On Thursday, the Fourth of July, at 6AM (yawn!), KFYI's Mary Ann Watkins
will be speaking with Don Schmitt, co-author of UFO Crash At Roswell. Lt.
Walter Haut, who wrote the famous press release that later had to be
retracted, will be on the air as well, and possibly Dr. Jesse Marcel, Jr.,
one of the few people still living who actually handled the wreckage. Also
on hand will be Mike Stackpole, head of the Phoenix Skeptics, with his own
theory of what happened, and I will be in the studio for "local color," I
guess. KFYI has promised us two hours, so we will probably branch off into
discussion of Belgium as well.
Set your alarms or your tape recorders for 6AM, and set your radio to 910
AM. Should be a very interesting show.
Jim
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From: Deane.Ward@p0.f95.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Deane Ward)
Subject: Re:panel
Date: 30 Jun 91 19:30:43 GMT
Thanks Jim for the boot in the sponge (my Mind) as to the Keyhoe Book. I knew
I had seen a reference to other work being done that was associated to P. B.
Book and the Colorado fiasco.
Lt. Col. Lou Corbin referenced two projects that were a continuation of the
Investigations as late as 1972; (Old New Moon and Blue Paper.) These
revelations were made at a meeting of the Retired Military Officers Association
in Baltimore. Several officers in attendance confirmed the continuing
investigations. Dr. J. Allen Hynek's book The UFO Experience: A Scientific
Inquiry revealed some* of the deception that had been done deliberately to the
public and the Press.
Excuse the delay in answering you but my *Better-Half* had emergency surgery
and there was no time for the Computer.
I got my hands on a series of four books by Yves Naud --UFOs and
Extraterrestrials in History--printed in Spain and published by Ferni. Will
get started today and hope for NEWS that could be factual. I read UFO Crash at
Roswell and when we see you next month will bring some info on Pappy Henderson
who was in Cadets with Bob who was also at Roswell. Thanks again for your time
and aid.
Don't know about the amount but guess we could go for a grant. I know they
are giving money for dirty pictures for struggling artists. We are struggling,
so we should qualify.
Deane Ward
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From: David.Villa@f2704.n206.z1.FIDONET.ORG (David Villa)
Subject: Re: Paranet Newsletter 428
Date: 24 Jun 91 18:20:00 GMT
Jim, I too remember hearing somthing a while back about human males being
able to carry a fetus until it must be removed by Cessarian at the end of
it's development. I don't recall hearing anything about the male being able
to provide nutrients, just that males have an unused cavity in their belly
that a baby could easily fit. I don't recall where I heard this though.
As for abductions, it would seem for the reproduction process, the aliens
would not want to bother with this added surgery and mess. The female
already has the aparati, not to mention the 'mothering instinct' which males
do not. It is easy to kidnap a male, take a sperm sample and keep it for a
while until you are ready to implant it. Joint abductions where the male is
used to fertilize the female is not necessary. Heh, also, I highly doubt a
suddenly mysterious pregnant male would not attract attention and, probably,
the pregnant male would have less a fondness for keeping the baby.
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From: David.Villa@f2704.n206.z1.FIDONET.ORG (David Villa)
Subject: Re: Crash at Roswell
Date: 24 Jun 91 18:27:00 GMT
>Can anyone identify the UFO photograph on the front cover of Randle
>and Schmitt's new book _ UFO CRASH AT ROSWELL_? I know I've seen
>that shot before, and I don't think it has anything to do with
>Roswell. Please correct me if I am wrong. It's odd, but there
>doesn't seem to be any reference to the photo in the book.
Yes, I too wanted to know the origin of that photograph. I looked at the
UFO section in my local book store and one or two other books have that same
picture on the cover but no indentification on the inside. Due to the
clarity and shape of the craft, my guess would be a 'Beamship' photo from
Meier?
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