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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 440
Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 440
Friday, July 19th 1991
Today's Topics:
Re: Roswell Discussion
severed hand?
Re: Star Trek--The Next Generation
BUFORA WELCOME
Psychics And Abductions
Further on Stackpole's Objections
Re: Copyrights
Re: Ufo Cover-up? Video
Re: Hi -where ya been?
test outgoing
Re: UFO'S IN NEW MEXICO ON LARRY KI
Re: Wernikoff On Maccabee
Media
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From: cyrill@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Cyro Lord)
Subject: Re: Roswell Discussion
Date: 17 Jul 91 02:50:39 GMT
In article <72417.2882C5F1@paranet.FIDONET.ORG>
Jim.Speiser@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) writes:
+>> 6) The crate used to ship the alleged bodies measured 14' by 5' by 5'
+>> bodies, let's say anywhere from 10,000-12,000 pounds. Yet one of the
+>> crewmen was quoted as saying that the weight-and-balance man cleared the
+>> plane for flight without doing his calculations, since the load would be
+>> so light.
+
+>Without knowing my aviation stuff, as I suspect Mike doesn't, I would say
+>that 18,000 pounds is nothing compared to other cargo that the military would
+>fly in a cargo hold of one of their planes.
+
+Without knowing a great deal of aviation stuff myself, I believe that's
+incorrect. 18,000 pounds would, if not positioned properly, have a major
Well I was in the Air Force and the W/B man never said it. It's hear say
from one of the other crewmen and no one said what kind of plane it was.
(c97 c54 c47 c121 ???) And I will state, for some of these planes, 18000
is nothing. You just strap it right in the middle. (I have done this)
+
+>Also, due to the nature of the
+>material that was contained in the cargo, all of the necessary arrangements
+>would have been pre-arranged to alleviate another person in the chain of
+>having intimate knowledge of his cargo.
+
+But they seemed *inconsistenly* concerned over this. It is inconceivable to
+me, for example, that they would go to the lengths of having the W&B
+calculated in advance, yet allow as many people as they did to have access
+to the material. One guy actually peeked into the hangar with his buddy.
+
These type things happened back in those days. Top secret was kind of loose
in some very strange ways. (Non SAC crewmen flying on B36's to get flying time
and such.)
+>> However, I part company with Mike on the ultimate
+>> conclusion to be drawn from these discrepancies. I view these as a point
+>> of departure for further research, rather than as a basis for dismissal
+>> of the case as a whole. Mike said that the authors were inconsistent; I
+>> replied that it was the evidence that was inconsistent, and the authors
+>> were to be commended for including contradictory testimony, and labeling
+>> it as such.
+
+>I have to disagree completely. What amazes me is that this argument is
+>another of the typical "maintain the party line" in direct opposition of
+>solid eyewitness data to a very extraordinary incident.
+
+I don't think Mike is maintaining the party line. He acknowledges that
+something crashed at Roswell, and acknowledges that it most likely is not a
+weather balloon. He even characterizes the eyewitness testimony surrounding
+the first crash site as "remarkably consistent." His main point of
+contention
+Jim
This debate will go on for ever until:
a UFO lands for all to see
someone in goverment let the records loose
or we find it's all a big lie. (And I personally have seen to many
strange things to believe it's all a lie.)
I know for sure that weather balloons aren't metal (metallic cloth, yes, some)
and the one thing that is common at the NM sites is the metal that was found
and seen. Strange!!
--
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From: vanth!jms
Subject: severed hand?
Date: 17 Jul 91 05:16:27 GMT
From: vanth!jms@amix.commodore.com (Jim Shaffer)
The following is taken without permission from the July 1991 issue of
_Omni_, page 77. Has anyone heard anything else about this group or their
alleged severed hand?
Kim Mikules has an offer he thinks you can't refuse. AI-TRAD, the
organization he works for, will give $500,000 to anyone who can produce
evidence of E.T.'s.
Since the offer appeared ten months ago, 15 claims per day have poured
into the AI-TRAD mailbox. But only one, a severed hand, has
purportedly been authenticated as extraterrestrial, according to
Mikules. The payoff? The hand came in so recently, Mikules says, that
AI-TRAD hasn't had time to make good.
So are these guys for real? Mikules says he could drop some names of
backers, but that would be a violation of his agreement with AI-TRAD.
Walter Andrus, who heads up MUFON, isn't impressed. Over MUFON's
20-year history he has seen groups come and go. 'Take AI-TRAD with a
grain of salt,' he says. Don Berliner, of The Fund for UFO Research,
adds, 'It sounds like another nutty operation to me.'
Still, Mikules isn't worried. 'Quite frankly,' he says, "we have the
money and the power to do practically anything we want.'
--Paul McCarthy
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Montgomery, PA 17752 | 72750.2335@compuserve.com | --Yes
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From: Linda.Bird@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Star Trek--The Next Generation
Date: 17 Jul 91 05:19:00 GMT
RE: Star Trek Episode called "First Contact"
Hi Greg,
Yes, I too saw that episode and was startled by the dialogue of
both sides. Remember, Commander Reiker was physically altered to
fit in with the planet undergoing observation.
It was an amazing episode and I wish I had hit the "Record" button
on my VCR, but I started to watch it some 10-15 min. into the story.
Ask Don Ecker of "ASK UFO" what he can find out about where the
writers got their ideas.
See ya,
Linda
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From: ncar!mrc-crc.ac.uk!carbon.crc.ac.uk!mrc-crc.ac.uk!sgamble
Subject: BUFORA WELCOME
Date: 17 Jul 91 16:46:16 GMT
From: Steve Gamble x3293 <sgamble@mrc-crc.ac.uk>
In Newsletter 439 Mike Corbin welcomes BUFORA and myself to
Paranet. Thanks Mike. Both Robin and myself enjoyed meeting
with the Paranet team.
As well as meeting with Paranet and attending the Rocky Mountain
Conference we attended the MUFON Conference in Chicago and also
met with CUFOS. It was a great opportunity to see old friends and
make many new ones (some of who read Paranet).
Also special thanks to Brian Evans of Melbourne who put me in touch
with Mike Corbin to start with
Steve Gamble
s.gamble@mrc-crc.ac.uk
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Psychics And Abductions
Date: 17 Jul 91 18:10:00 GMT
> From: HALLRL%morekypr@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
> Well, there does seem to be some correlation between abductions and
> humans who have paranormal abilities. I would suggest that you pick up
> a copy of 'ENCOUNTERS' by Dr. Edith Fiore. There are several case
> studies of people with psychic abilities that experience abductions on a
> regular basis and even seem to be in the process of undergoing training
> by the visitors to enhance these abilities. In 'THE WATCHERS', Raymond
> Fowler also explores the experiences of Betty Andreasson Luca that
> include many out-of-body experiences connected with abductions. He also
> postulates that these visitors may be billions of years in advance of
> our
> race and civilization, and that their perception of time, space, and
> dimensions are far beyond even our wildest dreams. Hope this gives you
> some direction with your question.
On an interesting note: Keith Basterfield and Bob Bartholomew have released a
very interesting paper on "Fantasy Prone Personality," and its possible
connection to the abduction phenomenon. I will be reprinting the article
here following securing permission from the publisher. It is very interesting
reading and worthy of discussion.
Mike
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Further on Stackpole's Objections
Date: 17 Jul 91 18:13:00 GMT
I have been reviewing the book, and have some additional comments on Mike
Stackpole's concerns:
1) The press release of July 8th, confirming that Roswell Army Air Base was
in possession of a crashed disk, was not without careful consideration by the
Air Force personnel, including a reference to Washington D.C. The
consideration is that Marcel and an unidentified CIC (Counterintelligence
Agent) spent the entire day - July 7th - at the debris field picking up as
much debris as they could and placing it into Marcel's Buick and the CIC
agent's jeep. As dusk set in, they realized that there was just too much to
pick up and headed by for Roswell. Upon returning to Roswell, Marcel stopped
by his home and showed the material to his wife and son. Following this,
Marcel and the CIC agent briefed Col. Blanchard, who then ordered the staff
meeting to be moved from 9:00 A.M. to 7:30 A.M. During this time, Blanchard
notified his chain of command and allegedly received orders or authorization
to run the "flying disk" story, which was released on July 8th by Walter Haut,
the PIO at Roswell. In the same breath, the CIC agent, accompanied by another
CIC agent, Lewis S. Rickett, returned with several MPs, the Provost Marshal,
Major Edwin D. Easley and began the tedious recovery procedure. During this
time, the two CIC agents hunted Brazel and asked him to accompany them to
Roswell, which Brazel agreed to do. This was confirmed by his son, Bill.
However, Bill related that they may have taken him forcibly if he had not
cooperated.
MY INTERPRETATION: What is interesting here in light of the objections raised
is that it is very unlikely that a mistake in identity of a downed weather
balloon occurred, and that several people initially involved in the inspection
of the material could have made a serious error in judgment. Based on the
testimony, it was presumed by Brazel to be a crashed disk. He carried this
story to the sheriff, who turned him over to Frank Joyce at the radio station.
The military was then alerted and told about the crashed disk. This
presumption could
have prejudiced them in the beginning, however once the recovery had been
commenced by qualified military personnel, this would have been immediately
dismissed had the debris been from a weather balloon. It was not, and in fact
was carried to full term by Blanchard and Washington, who subsequently ordered
the press release about the crashed disk. Blanchard and the others had the
opportunity to inspect the debris at the briefings and even after this,
continued to arrive at the conclusion that the material represented an unknown
substance. Another interesting note is the behavior of the CIC agent and the
plan that was initiated to grab Brazel while the debris was being collected.
Who was the CIC agent reporting to? Was he following orders of Blanchard?
There is a reference later, which I will cover when I get to it that the CIC
agent was not under the command of Blanchard, but possibly under the AFOSI at
Kirtland. Perhaps they were more prepared to handle this investigation and
took control of it through General Ramey once it was determined that they did
in fact have the remains of a crashed saucer.
It is also impossible to determine to what extent Brazel had been involved.
It is possible that Brazel saw more than he admitted publicly? After all, he
had several days to check out the ranch and may have come across the rest of
the material containing bodies or the rest of the craft. What made Brazel
arrive at the crashed flying saucer conclusion? This man appeared to be
poorly educated, yet he was sure it was a crashed disk. How would he have
been able to make such a determination based upon the debris found in the
field intially, assuming that the material didn't represent more than pieces?
Could Brazel have seen much more?
Finally, there were references to the Air Force having planes on standby over
during the week of the fourth of July in answer to the numerous reports
coming. This may or may not have anything to do with Roswell directly,
however it is interesting.
Mike
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From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: Re: Copyrights
Date: 17 Jul 91 20:34:00 GMT
Hi Don,
Just saw your message about people illegally using the UFO
MAGAZINE articles...hope the same readers also take note that OMNI is
also copyrighted and may not be reprinted without permission.
Good luck on dealing with the situation!
==Peggy==
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From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: Re: Ufo Cover-up? Video
Date: 17 Jul 91 20:36:00 GMT
Did you find the video you were seeking of the UFO story at Gulf
Breeze? If not, Video Dave (Dave Aaron) in CA, who specializes in UFO
stuff probably has it. If you haven't already gotten a reply on this,
let me know and I'll post Video Dave's address, etc. He has everything
on audio and video re UFOs, including home-made stuff where people were
testing their cameras and got videos of UFOs accidentally.
==Peggy==
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From: Clark.Matthews@f4.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Re: Hi -where ya been?
Date: 17 Jul 91 07:20:00 GMT
LB> Haven't seen any posts from you in ages! Have you been
LB>working on "The
LB>Continuum?" I am looking forward to seeing it.
LB>Take Care,
Hi Linda. Yes, I've been scribbling out my article on building the Philly
Experiment in your basement. Still awaiting submissions from some others.
Things here in the east have been abysmal. Very few jobs hereabouts, and my
last contract ended almost three months ago. So I've been keeping the phone
bills down & not BBSing much, even on my own system. Still, I've rebuilt a
menu system that's much clearer and added file bases for the ParaNet files,
and I've added a 9600 bps CompuCom modem. Always puttering.
Thanks for your thoughts! Any type at you soon.
Best,
Clark
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From: Michael.Schuyler@f201.n350.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Schuyler)
Subject: test outgoing
Date: 18 Jul 91 21:16:00 GMT
This is the first outgoing message from ParaNet(sm) Alpha Lambda,
located on Bainbridge Island across from Seattle, Washington. We are
excited about becoming a participant in teh ParaNet system. Our first
set of ech mail was transmitted to us last night. And everything was
tossed into the right place. The Men in Black must be on our side this
one time.
--Michael Schuyler
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From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: UFO'S IN NEW MEXICO ON LARRY KI
Date: 15 Jul 91 17:08:23 GMT
You know Mike I just had a crazy thought, which may be because I have a
cold. (or it could be the fine Wisconsin Cheese and Milwaukee Beer?) If PK
were ever to do a flip and write a pro-ufo book, or even close to that, he is
probably one of the most knowledgable people on the subject. He does better
research, has been involved for quite a few years, and has eliminated most of
the hoaxes. Bet it would sell millions of copys. (hey I said this was a
strange thought) The only part that would be hard to do is get him to write
about the best unexplained cases. In other words, he says this was swamp gas,
and that was seagulls, and the other was a skyhook. OK fine, what about the
ones he has not reasonable explinations? Interesting. I really do have a
whopper of a summer cold and my head is fuzzy just like my throat.
BTW I dyed that cat green. So it was real. 8*)
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From: Jim.Greenen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Greenen)
Subject: Re: Wernikoff On Maccabee
Date: 17 Jul 91 14:13:00 GMT
JS> ->I don't, Jim. But from all the other facts in the GB case
JS> ->makes Ed's photos look awful good. ---Jim---
JS> ->--- RemoteAccess 0.03+
JS>
JS> I'm sorry, Jim, but I don't think they look awful good. I
JS> think they look just plain awful. And I don't know what
JS> makes you think you're even GETTING all the facts on the
JS> case, seeing as MUFON saw fit to withhold certain
JS> information from the public for a while, such as the exact
JS> nature of Ed's criminal record. Who knows what else they
JS> might be sitting on.
JS>
JS> Jim
JS>
JS> --- QuickBBS 2.66 (Eval)
JS> * Origin: ParaNet(sm) Zeta-Reticuli Scottsdale, AZ
JS> 9:1010/100 (0:0/0)
I can't believe you even mention what Ed did as a teenager in the
same sentence with what happened 30 years later. When I was 11, I
went out joy riding in a stolen car, does that ban me the rest of my
life as a photograph hoaxer? Now if you told me that Ed is a
accomplished photographer and has a extensive back ground in that
field then I would say that you might have just cause for concern.
As far as not telling the public everything about Ed's past, if
it doesn't pertain to the case, then its none of our bbusines. Thyer
is a lot more to Ed's case then most people know and you or I won't
know until Ed decides to tell us. And if people keep bring up his
past like you seem to like to do, we will probably never know what
really happen the first and the last time he encountered the craft.
This was left out of his book for a reason and I think because they
thought that the public wasn't ready for it. And from what I've been
reading on the echos, I think Ed and MUFON has made a wise choice.
73's ---Jim---
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Media
Date: 18 Jul 91 07:18:05 GMT
> One of them caught my eye as it is named "Flying Disks
> BBS" the number is 7-014-268-4911 (FidoNet Node 2:490/40.401),
> if I spoke Russian I might give it a try, anyone out there who
> can?
Many of us could send netmail to that Fido address. Problem is, I
don't know any Russian or whatever dialect might be spoken in the bbs
location. Maybe someone there can read and write English. We could
always give it a try and see if we ever get an answer.
jbh
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