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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 433
Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 433
Tuesday, July 2nd 1991
Today's Topics:
Re: "N" Machine
Re: "N" Machine
Alien evolution
Posting Guidelines
Hoax Document
Re: Wernikoff On Maccabee
Re: Roswell on Phx Radio
Trance Channelling
Re: CROP CIRCLES?
COVER PHOTO
Randle v. Klass
Randle v. Klass
(none)
Object moving towards earth
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From: Paul.Mcavoy@f2704.n206.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Paul Mcavoy)
Subject: Re: "N" Machine
Date: 25 Jun 91 01:01:00 GMT
>The last issue of UFO mag had some acticles concerning free energy
>inventions. There were some interesting facts but no theories behind these
>machines. Does anyone know the operational theory behind the "N" machine
>or the the Swiss M-L converter??
I'm not that familiar with any of those types of machines. What briefly are
they? Also, what do they do?
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From: David.Villa@f2704.n206.z1.FIDONET.ORG (David Villa)
Subject: Re: "N" Machine
Date: 25 Jun 91 16:20:00 GMT
>I'm not that familiar with any of those types of machines. What briefly are
>they? Also, what do they do?
A "N" machine, or "Free-Energy" machine produces more energy/work then is
input to it. Obviously, any renowned Physicist would state this impossible
and label any such machine a "Perpetual Motion" mock-up.
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From: Kier.Bass@f2704.n206.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Kier Bass)
Subject: Alien evolution
Date: 26 Jun 91 20:28:00 GMT
I the recent issue of Ad Astra [Space exploration mag] there is an article
describing how two Canadian scientists working with the Museum of nature in
Ottowa traced the evolution of a particular species of dinosaur. Basically,
they theorise that if the dinosaurs had not gone extinct, that one in
particular, "Stenonychosaurus Inequalis was evolving in a direction that
would have made it an advanced intelligence". The picture that they show of
the form it evoled into looks very close to some form of Grey. "...stands
one and a half meters tall with with a large bulging head, prtruding yellow
eyes and a flat nose..." the dinosaur it was based on evolved with an
opposable thumb, even though it had two other fingers. Just thought I'd
post this.
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From: Doug.Rogers@p0.f1.n606.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Doug Rogers)
Subject: Posting Guidelines
Date: 28 Jun 91 01:56:58 GMT
New readers are always joining Paranet.
For their benefit, allow me to review the rules of posting which we ask
all our users to adopt:
******* PARANET ECHO POLICIES ********
The following are guidelines for the operation of the Paranet Echos on
member boards. Please take a moment to read (and understand) these
policies. If we'll adopt these attitudes, we'll have a more polite,
effective network.
1. No anonymous messages may be posted on the network. Some Paranet BBS's
allow users to use "handles", and USENET users have no opportunity to
place their names in the "From" field. If a user uses a handle, then all
posts to Paranet Echos must be signed at the end of the message using
the user's REAL NAME. In the case of USENET posts, it would help to
place the ADDRESSEE's REAL NAME in the subject field. It is the respon-
sibility of the Sysop of each Paranet Node to enforce this requirement,
either by reviewing all messages before release, or by disallowing
Paranet access to users using handles.
2. Personal Attacks are *NOT* allowed in the Net. In any echo dealing with
issues as emotional as those with which we deal it is a matter of course
that the validity of testimony on the part of certain individuals will
be called into question. It is important, however, to remember that
*ALL* parties are to be treated with respect. If you wish to question a
person's validity, state your reservations AS YOUR OPINION. For example:
"John Doe is a totally unreliable witness" could leave you legally
vulnerable. "I BELIEVE John Doe to be a totally unreliable witness" is
much better, especially if you can add "because...". Please be careful
how you judge the parties involved, and attempt to defend your
contentions.
3. Any user who is found to have knowingly and deliberately posted false or
misleading information regarding the activities of the United States
Government, its intelligence agencies and/or operatives, with respect
to the investigation of UFOs or other related matters, will be locked
out of the network immediately and permanently, and their name
circulated to other UFO investigatory groups.
3.1 Since Paranet echos are exported to a number of countries around the
world, it should be noted that Federal Law prohibits the revelation of
"National Secrets" to "Foreign Governments". For this reason, we must
insist that material which might violate the National Secrets Act not be
posted in the echos. All sensitive material believed to be of legitimate
interest to Paranet researches should be delievered via NETMAIL to Mike
Corbin at Paranet Administration for review and subsequent release.
4. Direct Flames are best posted elsewhere. They will not be tolerated in
the echos.
5. References should be included if required for clarity. Some users tend
to copy the entirity of previous messages before responding, while
others never quote anything and simply make comments about previous
posts. You should remember that many boards don't hold all messages
forever. Quote (if your software allows it) or at least paraphrase
(write a simple summary of) the content of the message you refer to.
Please DO NOT quote the entire message, as this is just expense for
all boards concerned. Quote only the germaine material.
6. Please make all messages conform to the specified content of the Echo
Area in which you are posting. Putting the messages in the right pile
makes it MUCH easier to make sense out of the stacks of messages.
7. Enforcement. Users who violate these guidelines will be advised of the
lapse by the Echo Moderator. After three violation notices, the user is
to be locked out of Paranet areas by the sysop. A FIRST lockout will be
for THIRTY DAYS. A SECOND lockout will be for NINETY days. The THIRD
lockout will be PERMANENT. Sysops who refuse to lock out troublesome
users can be dropped from the net by the Paranet Administrator. Users
who believe the Moderator has been unfair in requesting a lockout can
request that their Sysop plead their case in the Sysop Echo. In such
cases, ALL net Sysops will be asked to vote on the matter. Vote of the
net is binding on all concerned.
Doug Rogers
Echo Moderator
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From: Steve.Rose@p1.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Rose)
Subject: Hoax Document
Date: 28 Jun 91 17:21:01 GMT
JS> THE FOLLOWING DOCUMENT IS A HOAX. IT IS
JS> NOT TO BE CIRCULATED WITHOUT THIS
JS> PREAMBLE.
JS> The last area to be addressed concerns our "friend" Mr. Cooper. As
JS> you can see by the attachment included,the reason for Mr. Cooper leaving
JS> Naval service, I believe back in the old days, the phrase would be keel
JS> hauling. Cooper has worked out beyond our expectations. With his paranoid
JS> personality and alcohol abuse not to mention the crowds he draws, we feel
JS> that the field has been covered. Cooper, as expected will self-destructat
Not only is that a 'hoax'ish looking document...it also paints the pentagon in
a conspiritorial light...the thought which in itself would be a farce. I'd say
you've got two genuine hoaxes in one with that so-called letter!
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From: Jim.Greenen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Greenen)
Subject: Re: Wernikoff On Maccabee
Date: 29 Jun 91 16:08:00 GMT
Mike; You mention that a person wouldn't buy a used car before
testing it by a qualified mechanic. Well, thats true but you also
wouldn't take the car to the mechanic that worked for the used car
lot. If that logic is used than we must all believe the Warren
report and the Condon report, plus quite a few others. As you know,
that when investigating a case we must all look at the "FACTS" and
just because Ed will not turn over the Photo's to a lab that is
funded by the government doesn't make the photo's fake.
Ed did the right thing by letting MUFON handle the photo
analyzes. MUFON has also sent the photo's to another expert and they
are being looked at now. The results should be announced at the
MUFON symposium. Might make a point to be there for the results.
There is a reason that I'm pointing this out to you about sending
information to the wrong places. I could put you in touch (but not
at this time) with a Doctor that sent (according to him) some of the
most remarkable photos to a certain Dr. Hy--- that were taken in
Canada by a young lady, that not only of a Alien space craft but
also of the Aliens. These photos were never seen again.
This is why I made the remark that in no way would I send a to
someone that I question its motive. I also have a friend that had
sent a remarkable photo to Jim and Coral that was taken out of one
of the goverments photo labs and it never was never received by
them. We must all procede with caution. By the way, the photos that
were sent to Dr. Hy--- were received by him. 73's ---Jim---
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From: Linda.Bird@p0.f95.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Roswell on Phx Radio
Date: 2 Jul 91 06:09:27 GMT
Jim, I'll be listening to cheer you on! Linda
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Trance Channelling
Date: 1 Jul 91 09:16:00 GMT
* Forwarded from "Alt.Paranormal"
* Originally from Brian 'rev P-k' Siano
* Originally dated 06-30-91 11:56
From: revpk@cellar.UUCP (Brian 'Rev P-K' Siano)
Date: 29 Jun 91 18:54:13 GMT
Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system
Message-ID: <31gB52w164w@cellar.UUCP>
Newsgroups: alt.paranormal
Actually, it might make for a neat thought-experiment to see if we
can develop some sort of empirical test for trance channelling.
Offhand, I can think of the following points;
1. In order to evaluate a channeller properly, it should be understood
that philsophical questions are NOT a good way of evaluating their claims.
Nearly anyone can do some free-form philosophical, and New Age buzz-words are
even easier.
So, the test must ask whether an entity is really being channelled.
2. If the entity claims to have lived during a particular historical
time that really did exist-- unlike, say, Ramtha, who claims Atlantean
ancestry; that's more than enough to discard the 'entity' hypothesis-- then
research should be done to find out as much about that era as possible--
forms of currency, pronunciation of languages, food that were eaten, etc.
This way, a set of questions can be set up to determine whether the
'entity' really did exist at that time. Bear in mind, this wouldn;'t be a
100% accurate test-- what's to stop the channeller from doing his or her
homework as well-- but I'm inclined to think that it'd weed out most of the
unauthentic entities.
3. If the entity claims a degree of higher knowledge, than the degree of
this knowledge should be determined. In other words, if the entity claims
that it can access the Akashic records and learn anything that's learnable,
then that's a definite claim of knowledge.
A set of questions whose answers haven;'t been found yet, yet whose
answers are verifiable, should then be prepared. I'm thinking of Fermat's
Last Theorem or the Goldbach Conjecture.
The objection here is that, sicne most people go to channellers for
spiritual guidance and emotional support, that asking them to do math is
somehow trivial. It seems to me that a sufficiently wise entity could do the
math if he/she chose to, especially if they can access Higher Knowledge. (And
who's to say math isn't as important as spiritual guidance? For all we know,
it MIGHT be.)
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Brian Siano, aka [ "Mr. A. Hitler, the old Nazi thing, says
[ Mickey's silly. Imagine that! Well, Mickey is
Rev. Philosopher-King [ going to save Mr. A. Hitler from drowning or
[ something some day. Just wait and see if he
revpk@cellar.UUCP [ doesn't. Then won't Mr. A. Hitler be ashamed!"
[ -- Walt Disney, 1933.
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From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: CROP CIRCLES?
Date: 29 Jun 91 19:18:42 GMT
I think there are two album covers, one has crop circles, one has irrigation
equipment. Now I'll have to go look... The collection is the crop circles and
I think it was on the back of another that there were three circles with
equipment visible. I don't know if they farm the same way where you guys are,
but around here the fields are full of circles like this with long arms on
wheels. The water is pumped into the arm from the center and then as it
waters it rotates around the pivot point. Now that I've explained what I
thought I saw, I better check for accuracy?
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From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)
Subject: COVER PHOTO
Date: 29 Jun 91 19:21:27 GMT
Daniel W. Fry if I am thinking of the same photograph that Avon used.
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From: John.Burke@f9.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke)
Subject: Randle v. Klass
Date: 2 Jul 91 06:58:00 GMT
I wasn't too surprised when "Phil The Thrill" turned up on Larry
King's show tonight to provide the counterpoint for Kevin
Randle's presentation. Last week, in discussing the upcoming
show with George Eberhart, I opined that Larry would put Phil on
for that purpose, since he lives right in D.C. where the show is
done.
George didn't expect Phil to take on that role since he would be
"in over his head" and he usually avoids such situations.
However, we were both right... Phil was on the show and he was in
over his head. His decision to try to debunk the case with the
radar target explanation was was a key mistake. Randle was given
the opportunity to quote the admission of Col. Thomas Dubose that
the balloon explanation was a cover-up and that the balloon that
he held in the photo with Ramey was not the debris recovered by
Marcel. Oddly, Klass responded with the quip that Dubose is now
84 years old (as if this would impeach his credibility). Randle
lost points for his failure to exploit the opportunity to respond
with: "So are you!"
Randle missed another golden opportunity when Larry asked what
would happen if a bigwig like Dick Cheney asked to see the
recovered UFO debris at Wright-Patterson AFB. Randle should have
pointed to the example of Barry Goldwater who asked the then
Commanding Officer of Wright-Pat (in the 70's) Gen. Curtis LeMay
for access to the "Blue Room". Goldwater has often quoted
LeMay's response: "Hell no! Access to that area is on a `need
to know' basis only. If I can't get in there, you can't get in
there." In fact, Larry King himself raised this story with
Goldwater when he had him on the show, asking if it really
happened. Goldwater admitted that it did. It would have been
great for Randle to discuss this and for Klass to decry it as a
myth of folklore, allowing Larry to jump in and say "Goldwater
admitted it right here on my show."
Klass' worst mistake was ending the show by his ad hominem attack
against Randle, pointing out that in a previous book, Randle
expressed his disbelief in an Air Force coverup of the UFO
situation. Randle admitted that he did a 180 after looking at
the evidence. This served only to reinforce the credibility of
his latest work. Phil "shot himself in the foot" and that was
the end of the show. To any impartial observer, Phil was in over
his head.
Any other reactions to the show?
-- John
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From: John.Burke@f9.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke)
Subject: Randle v. Klass
Date: 2 Jul 91 07:08:00 GMT
* Forwarded from "ParaNet UFO"
* Originally from John Burke
* Originally dated 07-01-91 23:58
I wasn't too surprised when "Phil The Thrill" turned up on Larry King's show
tonight to provide the counterpoint for Kevin Randle's presentation. Last
week, in discussing the upcoming show with George Eberhart, I opined that Larry
would put Phil on for that purpose, since he lives right in D.C. where the show
is done.
George didn't expect Phil to take on that role since he would be "in over his
head" and he usually avoids such situations. However, we were both right...
Phil was on the show and he was in over his head. His decision to try to
debunk the case with the radar target explanation was was a key mistake.
Randle was given the opportunity to quote the admission of Col. Thomas Dubose
that the balloon explanation was a cover-up and that the balloon that he held
in the photo with Ramey was not the debris recovered by Marcel. Oddly, Klass
responded with the quip that Dubose is now 84 years old (as if this would
impeach his credibility). Randle lost points for his failure to exploit the
opportunity to respond with: "So are you!"
Randle missed another golden opportunity when Larry asked what would happen if
a bigwig like Dick Cheney asked to see the recovered UFO debris at Wright-
Patterson AFB. Randle should have pointed to the example of Barry Goldwater
who asked the then Commanding Officer of Wright-Pat (in the 70's) Gen. Curtis
LeMay for access to the "Blue Room". Goldwater has often quoted LeMay's
response: "Hell no! Access to that area is on a `need to know' basis only.
If I can't get in there, you can't get in there." In fact, Larry King himself
raised this story with Goldwater when he had him on the show, asking if it
really happened. Goldwater admitted that it did. It would have been great for
Randle to discuss this and for Klass to decry it as a myth of folklore,
allowing Larry to jump in and say "Goldwater admitted it right here on my
show."
Klass' worst mistake was ending the show by his ad hominem attack against
Randle, pointing out that in a previous book, Randle expressed his disbelief in
an Air Force coverup of the UFO situation. Randle admitted that he did a 180
after looking at the evidence. This served only to reinforce the credibility
of his latest work. Phil "shot himself in the foot" and that was the end of
the show. To any impartial observer, Phil was in over his head.
Any other reactions to the show?
-- John
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From: ncar!ecn.purdue.edu!lush
Subject: (none)
Date: 2 Jul 91 17:37:20 GMT
From: lush@ecn.purdue.edu (Gregory B Lush)
Subject: Object moving towards earth
?
? From: Dane.Lancaster@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Dane Lancaster)
? Subject: object moving towards earth
? Date: 28 Jun 91 17:29:00 GMT
?
? Has anyone heard any news about an object detected just crossing
? the orbit of pluto
? I recently heard a number of people on a locaradio talk show
? say that JPL may be aware of this object. It is said that this object
? has apparently made 3 course corrections have taken place while
? observing this object. Earth orbit arrival time is said to be
? sometime in 92. anyone have info on this.
? --
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?
?
I just heard this morning on WMAQ (7/1/91) all-news in Chicago about
an 'asteroid' that was being studied by some "scientists," I
believe in California. The reporter said 'there isn't much
chance of it's colliding' with earth, but did not ascribe that
statement to anyone so I don't know who's opinion the statement
represented.
The reason given for the study of the object was interest in
tracking, and in knowing, essentially, how to blow them up.
Greg (lush@ecn.purdue.edu)
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