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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 409
Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 409
Wednesday, May 29th 1991
Today's Topics:
Re: Letter (Pt 2) Conclusion
Re: ARTHUR C. CLARK BAR
Re: FLIGHT 19
Re: ALIEN ALLOYS/GREEN
Re: GREEN FIREBALLS
Re: WALTER.SAL
Re: WALTER.SAL
Re: NUKE 'EM!
Re: WALTER.SAL
Re: 'UFO Abductions' show on CBS
GB film
Meier, Stevens, Tucson and Camelotosis
Re: Meier, Stevens, Tucson And The Moon
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From: Linda.Bird@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Letter (Pt 2) Conclusion
Date: 21 May 91 05:21:00 GMT
Mike,
Thanks for printing this woo-woo stuff. That letter HAD to be from
Bill Cooper, betcha. This sounds like what he talked about 2-3 weeks
ago over a Phoenix radio station. It also looks suspiciously like
something I saw in one of Tim Beckley Green's magazines...
Let's not hold our breath! :-)
Linda
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From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: ARTHUR C. CLARK BAR
Date: 18 May 91 16:46:49 GMT
Me not post messages or express views? I can't help running off at the
fingers sometimes. I was commenting to Jim because if any of you still take
the time to read UFO on Fidonet, you'll see a couple of AKA posters who are
starting the Reptiles are comming trand again. If someone asks them for
evidence they get a response like, "Oh you closed minded people will never
understand why you are so stupid." Which as usual has nothing to do with hard
or even soft facts about what's going on. Last week I saved a message from
someone who says they have built a UFO but we are not ready for the
technology yet so it's secret. The week before it was the Greys and the
agreements we made, including the world wide underground tunnel systems.
There is an endless cycle of incredible storys, which do more to confuse
issues than any disinformation campaign ever could. The Govt. doesn't have to
throw a monkey wrench into things, it's being covered by others already. As
usual a gold star goes to Paranet because of open minded skepticism. Seldome
do I see people blasting away with personal flames, and even unusual theorys
are received with an inquiring interest, questioned and evaluated from a
reasonable perspective.
As for the Fox sisters and many others from (corrected) the 1800's it was
parlor tricks and fun. Sometimes it was so well done that the hoax took on
realistic acceptance. People like the amazing Randi serve a needed purpose,
that which makes us reflect upon events, or evaluate before just accepting
out of blind following. It seperates some of the frauds so time can be
invested in more efficient research instead of wasted chasing tall tales. The
"debunkers" cannot refute everything, therefore the smaller percentage of
reports or events can be examined more closely.
I guess what I am saying is, take it all in, file away the obvious erroneous
reports, shelf the questionable events, and concentrate on the most likely to
produce verifiable research materials. (note: I didn't say throw anything
away, just put it on the back burner)
And don't forget Spam is 100 years old now!
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From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: FLIGHT 19
Date: 18 May 91 17:01:48 GMT
Sure thing John and if they find them to be the right ones, the initial
story that started the Bermuda Triangle will have died. Considering numerous
other cases that have been solved or corrected into the real incidents, I
will be even more certian that there is absolutly nothing going on except
great imagination.
The Bermuda Triangle (Devil's Triangle) will live on forever just like
Altantis, Lemur, and MU in the hearts and minds of readers, if not ever in
reality. One of the interesting points is that more planes are lost over the
continental US, with no trace, than in the seas SE of Florida. There is an
interesting book I read years ago about the Great Lakes Triangle (or whatever
it was labeled) which shows that many mysterious ship disasters occured on
the Great Lakes for unexplained reasons. The author had more events and
evidence than Bermuda Triangle writers. I guess the bandwagon wasn't as big
for inland lakes?
On the other hand I can bet you my hard drive that if these are confirmed,
via hard evidence (serial numbers on planes, engines, markings etc.) someone
will appear and say "They were planted there as a cover-up" to hide the truth.
And if it's not the right planes, we still have a mystery to solve.
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From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: ALIEN ALLOYS/GREEN
Date: 18 May 91 17:14:09 GMT
Well you sure have done your homework... Now I have to print your message
and do mine. I will try to reply within the week about the sources of Bright
Green meteors. It is unusual, not the normal color expected, and it was
attributed to some slower falling horizontal occurances. I remember that it
said usually there is no debris from this type of meteor. As for the
pyrotechnic colors, I recognize some from 25 years ago, but I'm happy typing
with all my fingers and both eyes so I don't fool with that stuff anymore. My
brother on the other hand is a specialist in that field, and should be able
to give me some answers. We just had a fireworks factory explode near here,
and the family that runs it says, this shows that even experts who are
extremely careful are in danger. WHen I almost got my head blown off in 84 I
gave it up myself, my hearing is perminantly defective.
May take more than a week now that I think about it, busy week ahead my
office manager is on vacation, but I will try to remember to find some
sources and confirmation of my posting.
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From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: GREEN FIREBALLS
Date: 18 May 91 17:28:07 GMT
I saw one Thurs. May 2nd at about 6pm CDT while driving on a country road
heading East. It was not dark out yet and still the bright green flare showed
up well in the Eastern sky. It burnt out after awhile. Probably over Lake
Michigan or even farther away from me. Not as spectacular as yours, but they
are pretty sights. Eta Aquarids seems to coincide somewhat. I'm looking
forward to Aug. as usual. I try to get into the woods at about 3am and watch
the peak showers just before sunrise.
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: WALTER.SAL
Date: 19 May 91 07:57:00 GMT
> $200,000 income for the first book, and possibly a follow up
> book. No matter how much it is estimated he makes a year,
> another 200 grand would impress anyone.
Dunno. By all accounts Ed's a very successful businessman; I suspect
the IRS bit off an outrageous chunk. He probably got to keep around
$70,000, which still isn't bad at all. More to come, of course.
Whether that's substatial compared to his usual yearly income, no
one knows. Could be he's netting a million or more a year, so $200,000
might not be all that incredibly significant.
On the other hand, could be his personal finances and/or business
was in deep trouble and some extra cash came in mighty handy.
> My personal opinion is that Ed's photos and book are getting far
> too much undeserved attention. If I am correct, you feel quite
> the opposite. No problem from me, in many ways I'd like to find
> out, through reasonable evidence, that I am wrong. I still don't
> know why the Hudson Valley events, or the Belgium UFO's are not
> getting as much press coverage?
I think the main difference is that the Gulf Breeze incidents have
had a focus, and that's been Ed Walters from the start. Hudson Valley,
Belgium and Fyffe haven't had one person or group as a focus of
attention.
I mentioned somewhere along the way that Ed could sell sand to
Arabs, and he's been keeping the ball rolling.
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: WALTER.SAL
Date: 19 May 91 08:01:01 GMT
> One thing you mentioned, I also keep in mind... Just because
> there was an ability to hoax a photo, does not mean it was a
> hoax.
Yep, that's for sure.
Speaking of hoaxed photos (or not), I noted a while back in a couple
of books of ufo photos published by Wendelle Stevens that the same
object that appears in the Adamski photos was also photographed by
quite a few other people at other places. Have to get back to that
sometime.
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: NUKE 'EM!
Date: 19 May 91 08:10:02 GMT
> Oh I guess it would be a bit dangerous to be toting a giant
> microwave under a helicopter anyway. I sure would not go up
> without a box of "top shelf" on the seat next to me, so I could
> eat after I fried my fanny. 8*)
I'm a little partial to Orville Redenbacher myself. Even met the guy
once. ;-)
> So if this is a reasonable method, I wonder where the radiation
> is comming from, and I don't think a blimp is the answer either.
> Remember the people who said way in the begining it was SDS
> testing from space? Maybe they had something? How about errant
> bursts of radiation from our Sun?
OK, so let's consider a satellite.
It could be fairly large, nuclear-powered, so we could have a pretty
strong microwave transmitter (beam, I guess?). Don't see much problem
there.
Could we control this thing precisely enough to make the designs
that appeared last summer? Dunno. Maybe.
Something Brandenberg (Brandenburg?) noted was that if the grass was
microwaved too long, no only would it flatten, it would shortly die.
He said that he could precisely time the exposure so that the grass
would flatten but wouldn't die.
So we'd have to control the energy output and exposure time so that
whatever we were nuking would flatten but not die. I suppose we could
do that with a fire-control spotter on the ground to make sure we were
hitting the type of plant we were trying to flatten, but I don't think
I'd like to be that spotter.
Now, the big question.
Is it even remotely reasonable that someone's testing an SDI
microwave weapon by zapping wheatfields in southern England, the
American midwest and Manitoba?
Somehow that doesn't play too well.
> possible explination would be to does the crop, and have
> something which is time released so that days, months, weeks
> (who knows) later, the circle will form without residual
> evidence or footprints. (oops that's "dose" the crops) And it's
> only an idea.
Now that's a great idea that I haven't heard anyone at all mention.
I'm sure there's something that would work that way, but I haven't the
foggiest what it might be.
jbh
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From: Jim.Greenen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Greenen)
Subject: Re: WALTER.SAL
Date: 19 May 91 15:44:00 GMT
You just set back Ufology 20 years!
73's ---Jm---
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: 'UFO Abductions' show on CBS
Date: 21 May 91 05:23:00 GMT
> Finally, my VCR puked. If anyone has a good copy of the
> segment, I would like to arrange to get it.
Geez, Mike, you're the third person who's mentioned that his VCR
either died or ate the tape of that show.
I have a tape, which I've just loaned to my brother-in-law. I
suppose his VCR will proceed to eat my tape.
Anyway, if I get it back, I can make you a copy.
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: GB film
Date: 21 May 91 06:14:00 GMT
From the Gulf Breeze Sentinel, May 16, 1991........
On May 10, 1991, I, Jun-ichi Yaoi and my Japanese film crew arrived
in Gulf Breeze in the hope of documenting the local UFO sightings.
NIPON television network, the largest/oldest commercial broadcasting
company of Japan, sponsors our investigative documentary to be aired
as part of the two-hour special nationwide in Japan.
Bob Oechsler, a former NASA systems specialist, from WAshington,
D.C., accompanied us as a consultant to advise and analyse any
evidence that we might be able to capture on film.
At approximately 11:30 p.m. Bob Oechsler told us that a "red UFO"
had been sighted to the northwest of the Holiday Inn where we were
staying. We were preparing for bed but we quickly got our cameras and
set up a "sky watch" near the hotel swimming pool overlooking the
Pensacola Bay.
Fifteen or twenty minutes passed. Then, out over the water, a bright
red object suddenly appeared. The sky was clear over Gulf Breeze and
the Bay, with most of the rain clouds still visible over Pensacola.
What we saw and filmed was amazing! It was brilliant and I must say,
beautiful. As recorded on our 36 to one zoom lens, the UFO moved to
the nrotheast for one minute and twenty seconds before suddenly
winking out and the returning for a few seconds as a small white ball
of light which then also winked out.
Our film of the UFO clearly shows a circular ring of red "energy"
with a center glowing orange core. It will be further analyzed to
identify any structure. We have interviewed dozens of local witnesses
who have taken video and photos of the UFO but we are particularly
impressed with the similarity with photographs taken by Ed Walters in
1988.
Jun-ichi Yaoi, director
5-7, Kojimachi, Chiyoda-ku
Tokyo, Japan
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From: Clark.Matthews@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Meier, Stevens, Tucson and Camelotosis
Date: 20 May 91 09:20:00 GMT
> ->great statesmen like Garry Hart and John, Robert, and
> Ted->Kennedy have function effectively despite numerous
> alleged
>
> Great statesmen???? Gary Hart??? TED KENNEDY??????
>
> Is this 201-451-3063....?
>
Why, Jim, let us be open-minded here!
How shameful to dismiss these and other national figures simply
because they are physically challenged by handicaps like
pedophilia, satyriasis, nymphomania, necrophilia, priapism,
dipsomania, sociopathic lucre disorder (SLD, or Camelotosis), et
al! These terrible handicaps are no reason to dismiss them as
human beings or deprive them of the opportunities and
considerations we all enjoy as free Americans, equal under the
law.
Just because someone drinks to excess, Deep-Sixes the office
help, engages in multiple daily trysts, subborns Civil Servants
into the role of procurers and compels the Secret Service and
FBI to clean up the messes is no reason to demean their
accomplishments in statecraft. Why should worn-out, clinging
starlets like Marilyn Monroe, dime-a-dozen clerical staff like
Mary Jo Kopechne, parvenus like the raped Palm Beach heiress,
and boring old Harvard academics (like the ones who *insisted*
that Ted Kennedy couldn't *pay* a clever little bourgeois to
take Kennedy's exams, can you believe it) stand between
luminaries like the men above (and their lawyers ... and their
buddies who publish The New York Times ... and their hangers on
who run NBC) and the rightful destiny of America's Best &
Brightest?
Consider the National Interest! And then arrange a quiet
charter to get the perps out of town. Have the Secret Service
handle it -- you can always give the guy a job as gardener on
one of the estates, right?
BTW, have you been following the Palm Beach Story? The "family
retainer" who lied to the Palm Beach flatfeet about
Kennedy/Smith's whereabouts was Robert Kennedy's Secret Service
bodyguard. I wonder if he was with Bobby when Bobby wasn't in
L.A., the night Marilyn Monroe died. I heard something about a
fast, quiet charter flight that time, too.
Anyway, I'm sure you'll now agree that just because someone is a
slave to their appetites -- like Wendelle and nubile young
things or JFK and any three females under 60 at the same time --
that's no reason to doubt their veracity or assume that they're
(*shudder*) greedy, amoral, or exposed to blackmail. Why, the
two are totally separate issues. Right?
Oh, my friend at the National Desk wants to know if your kids
really read those books on the second-floor bookshelf. And then
there are those old parking tickets? From Connecticut?
God Bless America!
Clark
PS -- hehehehehe.
PPS -- I like the article!
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From: Clark.Matthews@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Re: Meier, Stevens, Tucson And The Moon
Date: 20 May 91 09:35:00 GMT
> Could you tell me if you received my book
> review and were you able to forward it on to Clark
> Matthews? For some odd reason, I am unable to dial up his
> BBS directly.
>
Linda, what book review? Haven't got it.
Your phone troubles are mighty strange -- have you tried using
the access code as we did before?
E.g.: ATDT10288,12014513063 (AT&T)
ATDT10666,12014513063 (Sprint)
I've located some of the private books of moon photos and am
arranging for scanning. Stay tuned.
Best,
Clark
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