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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 408
Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 408
Monday, May 27th 1991
Today's Topics:
Uncle Sam's Moon Mountain...
Uncle Sammites
ARTHUR C. CLARK BAR
Nuke 'Em!
Flight 19
Gb Paper
Re: WALTER.SAL
Flight 19 found!
Re: Meier, Stevens, Tucson and the Moon
Re: WALTER.SAL
WHERE'S WHITLEY?
Re: Uncle Sam's Moon Mountain...
Re: 'UFO Abductions' show on CBS
Woo-woo
Letter
Letter (Pt 2) Conclusion
Woo-woo
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From: Steve.Rose@p1.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Rose)
Subject: Uncle Sam's Moon Mountain...
Date: 16 May 91 17:05:12 GMT
In a message to Jim Speiser <13 May 91 23:29> Linda Bird wrote:
LB> As I said, "If Hollywood can tell us about UFO's and E.T.'s,
LB> why can't Uncle Sam?"
Because despite anyone's claim to the contrary, Uncle Sam is not in the Space
Fantasy and Amusement Park business. Although they *could* be keeping
Hollywood in their back pocket for just such a purpose. ;-)
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From: Steve.Rose@p1.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Rose)
Subject: Uncle Sammites
Date: 16 May 91 17:08:56 GMT
In a message to John Hicks <14 May 91 06:27> Jim Greenen wrote:
JG> won't prove anything. The public will only believe the debunkers
JG> because they don't want this to exist. What a beautiful job that
JG> our government has done for the passed 40+ years, my hats off to them.
And here I thought we just sit and push papers around the office for 8 hours
each day. Tell me...what mystical powers should we be ascribed with that
allows us to keep every valid sighting and contact down in the septic tank? Is
one admitting that we are smarter that all those friendly 'Greys' could ever
hope to be? Haven't they learned anything about field tactics in all those
years...or are they too naive to even try a direct approach? :-\
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From: Steve.Rose@p1.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Rose)
Subject: ARTHUR C. CLARK BAR
Date: 16 May 91 17:21:52 GMT
In a message to Jim Speiser <13 May 91 10:15> Pete Porro wrote:
PP> Seems that when I make a statement about why I believe what I do,
PP> the answer from a small portion is "Your another one of those
PP> debunkers aren't you!" Oh, shame, guilt, and whatever else is
PP> being heaped on me. I'd say "The facts, just the facts..."
Amen!
PP> but leads to nothing. I am making a concious effort to no respond
PP> in the future, and therefore avoid
PP> conflicts and wasted space on this echo.
There are good informative posts and wasted space posts as well. Don't be put
off from joining in!
PP> The Fox Sisters were one of the first cases of
PP> contact with the dead. The lady confessed that she did the
PP> clicking responses by clicking her toe joints. This is one of the
PP> foundation cases for spiritualism from 1947 I think.
More like *1847* so I do not think you saw any live confession from her.
But yes...their history has been parially debunked, never the less.
PP> other mystery miracles had confessions with them, like the never
PP> dying flowers in the church.
You mean someone admitted they watered them? :)
PP> Biggest laugh for me was Uri Geller bending a spoon, and taking
PP> about how much money he had made.
Yet, his self-exposure and public downfall will long be forgotten, after the
next generation of magicians have taken those same tricks and popularized them
all over again as valid and genuine phenomenon. Some things never change...
including people. :-)
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Nuke 'Em!
Date: 17 May 91 17:07:00 GMT
> Hmmm, that might work. Lemmee grab some and give it
> a couple of kWatts. Nope, must not be the right
> kind of grass.../&^).
Brandenburg claims to have demonstrated the effect several times.
BTW, the kind you're talking about is most likely too dry. ;-)
> I'd think that the grass would have to be wet with
> dew for this to work well in a field.
I don't think that's a factor.
I was speculating about moist heat a while back. Picture a stalk of
brocolli; it's pretty stiff. Now steam it and it becomes limp, but
isn't damaged.
A microwave oven would do pretty much the same thing, with the plant
itself supplying the moisture internally.
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Flight 19
Date: 17 May 91 17:09:01 GMT
CNN just aired a story in which treasure hunters found five TBM
Avengers in 750 feet of water off Ft. Lauderdale. The story said the
treasure hunters will be sending submersible RPV's down to look for
serial numbers.
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Gb Paper
Date: 18 May 91 07:25:00 GMT
MC> Could you elaborate on what it is that could "knock your
MC> socks off?"
I'll be abstracting and extracting from the report soon's I can. Per
Bruce's suggestion, too. ;-)
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: WALTER.SAL
Date: 18 May 91 07:42:00 GMT
I've heard it said that Ed was involved in hoax ufo photos while he
lived in Costa Rica. However, I've never heard anything more than
mentions, and I've never seen any evidence.
Know anything?
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Flight 19 found!
Date: 18 May 91 07:47:01 GMT
An AP story in todays Orlando Sentinel indicates that the
aforementioned TBM Avengers are indeed the aircraft of Flight 19.
According to the story, the designators FT were visible on the a/c,
and the numbers 28 were also visible on one a/c. The leader's a/c
carried the designation FT 28.
Pretty conclusive proof.
The article said that the a/c were in good shape except for the
leader's, which had some damage, and that all were found within a
5000' radius.
Bill English said tonight on UFINET that he's gotten confirmation
from the USAF that the a/c are indeed the lost a/c of Flight 19.
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From: Jim.Speiser@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: Meier, Stevens, Tucson and the Moon
Date: 18 May 91 08:17:00 GMT
->great statesmen like Garry Hart and John, Robert, and Ted
->Kennedy have function effectively despite numerous alleged
Great statesmen???? Gary Hart??? TED KENNEDY??????
Is this 201-451-3063....?
<grin>
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From: Jim.Speiser@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: WALTER.SAL
Date: 18 May 91 08:45:00 GMT
In a message to Jim Speiser <05-18-91 00:42> John Hicks wrote:
-> I've heard it said that Ed was involved in hoax ufo
->photos while he lived in Costa Rica. However, I've never
->heard anything more than mentions, and I've never seen any
->evidence.
-> Know anything?
Nope, not a word. I know he lived there, but didn't know anything about
that. I spose it could be checked out, though not easily...
Jim
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From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff)
Subject: WHERE'S WHITLEY?
Date: 19 May 91 02:54:00 GMT
{{ Has anyone on this conference heard anything from or about
Whitely Strieber recently? He seems to have vanished from the face
of this planet! I used to correspond with him periodically, but he
has not responded to my last four letters concerning events that
have occurred in the Chicago area Communion group. The same goes
for Dora Ruffner, editor of the Communion Letter. This breakdown of
communication is very disturbing, and leaves me with a rather
uneasy feeling about the whole Strieber scenario.
The last I heard of Whitley was on 9/21/90 on a CNN interview
with Larry King and Howard Blum, where he stated that he's only
told about "10%" of his story. Does that mean we can look forward
to another 27 or so books? Can someone please enlighten me?
For those interested, the following is a copy of my last
correspondence, to which I have received no response:
February 28, 1991
Mr. Whitley Strieber
496 LaGuardia Place
New York, NY 10012
Dear Whitley,
This is my fourth and final letter to you in regards to the
rather nebulous structure and lack of adept leadership of the
Chicago area "Communion" group. I really do not understand why you
have not responded to my questions.
To reiterate my grievance, half of the group was "voted" out
at a clandestine meeting, by members that had never even met me or
my fellow excommunicates. The group has become a small, secretive,
cult-like coterie, which has no intention or aspiration of
unraveling the mystery of the visitors.
There is virtually no organized interaction between groups,
and the Communion network (through which I have made many important
contacts) seems to be disintegrating. I have been trying to locate
a hypnotherapist for a witness living in a remote area of Oregon,
but have had no success. I thought this is what the "Communion"
groups were supposed to be all about. People helping people.
Perhaps I am wrong.
In any case, I would greatly appreciate your input in this
matter if for nothing more than to reaffirm my belief in your
earnestness and consideration. You stated in an interview with
Larry King that you have only told about ten percent of your story.
Don't you think it's time to get on with it? Individually, we are
ineffectual, but as a group, we can work miracles.
Best wishes,
Sheldon Wernikoff
9200 Niles Center Road
Skokie, IL 60076-1548
cc: Whitley Strieber
Dora Ruffner
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From: Linda.Bird@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Uncle Sam's Moon Mountain...
Date: 19 May 91 03:24:00 GMT
Hi Steve,
Good point! I think Hollywood is going to break the UFO story to us
first. What if? Wouldn't that be IRONIC?
(What's life like in Washington. D.C.? As I sit out here in this
desert, I wonder...)
Thanks, and take care,
Linda
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From: Jim.Speiser@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: 'UFO Abductions' show on CBS
Date: 20 May 91 06:37:00 GMT
In a message to All <05-18-91 11:50> Michael Corbin wrote:
->Walton abduction and basically recanted the
->same stuff that we have thorough knowledge of. The second
They glossed over a couple of important factors in that one. First of all,
Walton's mother was conspicuously NOT upset by the abduction - was quite
calm, in fact, and almost seemed to have expected it. Second, Walton did NOT
pass his FIRST polygraph exam, a fact that was intentionally hidden until
Phil Klass discovered it (giving the devil his due here). The reasons given
were that Walton was still traumatized at the time of the first exam, and
that the examiner conducted himself in a thoroughly unprofessional manner. I
have read the transcript of the first exam and I can accept that
explanation, but still, I believe it is incumbent upon TV shows, even on the
entertainment side, not to be evasive on such issues. It was produced to
inform, it should do so correctly.
The other two cases I have not heard of, they are quite interesting. I'd
like to see some more discussion of them.
By the way, I thought the alien's costumes were the best I've ever seen.
Jim
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Woo-woo
Date: 20 May 91 23:26:00 GMT
> From: well!ddrasin@apple.com (Dan Drasin)
> Since everyone's perception is unique, it may not be such a bad
> thing for contexts to overlap. I think it's more important for
> people to be tolerant of, and to listen to, each other, than it is
> to create more compartmentalization and more walls, more judgements
> and more 'us-and-them' thinking. IMHO, we have enough of those
> already. If we aren't forced to recognize other contexts, we'll
> *never* achieve the critical mass of interdisciplinary,
> intercontextual communication that's a *minimum* requirement for
> solving the multidimensional UFO riddle. Some 'woo-woo' might be the
> price we have to pay for this, but the alternative would seem to be
> a situation that could set our understanding back many decades...
> and that is no doubt precisely what some people would like to have
> happen.
I get really nervous when someone starts talking of mixing science with
metaphysics. Why? Because, I do not feel that there is any relationship.
Science is concerned with demonstrable, mechanical things whereas metaphysics
are concerned with the esoteric and undemonstrable. For example, when Illya
channels "Ramtha," there is no way to measure, quantify or demonstrate the
process that is occurring. There is absolutely no proof that anything unusual
is going on except to say that it appears that Illya is in contact with an
agency. This is not solid proof of its authenticity. The discipline of
science is this: If A can demonstrate something occurs, he places the
procedures in his notes. A sends his work to B across the country and B is
able to duplicate the process using the procedures that A has outlined and the
phenomenon repeats itself. Back to the channeler. This person can repeat the
procedures but it cannot be examined by A or B. It is totally up to the word
of the channeler that someone is talking through them. Further, if the
channeler could produce information that could be demonstrated to have been
channeled that could be tied to a future event, and this could be done
consistently, then there would be something for a scientific person to begin
hypothesizing and formulating some models to begin work. Again, channelers
don't even produce this kind of information. So, where do we go from here?
Finally, personal feelings do not make a scientific fact. There can be no
working relationship between a metaphysician and a scientist simply because
there is no common ground. However, it is a requirement by all to have an
open mind and to attempt to find a middle ground on the road to discovery.
On another note, the lady that claims to be from Venus is totally outrageous.
There is no scientific evidence that Venus is habitable by anyone. Until
something more concrete breaks, if it even does, that supports the possibility
that someone of human nature could live on Venus, I would say that there
should be no room for a person with any ability to think critically to arrive
at the conclusion that this woman is talking out of her glutius maximus.
Sadly, though, the press is not intelligent enough to deduce that for
themselves either and they print such trash to discredit the serious work that
is being done.
Mike
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From: Mike.Keithly@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mike Keithly)
Subject: Letter
Date: 20 May 91 20:30:00 GMT
I just recieved this in the mail today, from who i dont know but here it is
in it's entirety.
THIS INFORMATION COULD SAVE YOUR LIFE AND FREEDOM
THE COMING "OFFICIAL" ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE ALIEN PRESENCE ON EARTH
WHY "STAR WARS", THE HUBBLE SPACE TELSCOPE,THE SUDDEN FALL OF COMMUNISM?
______________________________________________________________________________
What is going on? Something very sinister is going on. Polls reveal that
over 90% of the americans people believe in UFO's and 95% of these people
believe the government is keeping this knowledge from the public. But Why?
Are they afraid the people will panic if an "Official" announcement were
made? Hardly. Such an announcement would create interest and excitement and
many questions, particularly by the churches, but do not panic. Why then the
continued cover- up?
There is overwhelming evidence in the past several years from "Whistle
Blowers" retired military officers who have finally said, "Enough is enough!
It's time the government told the people the truth!" These officers, such as
Navy Intelligence officer, William Cooper, Major John Lear (whose father
founded the Lear Jet Corp.) and Air Force officer William English, to name
but a few, have all discovered the truth, and at the risk of their very
lives, are trying to alert YOU to the secrets behind the UFO's and the Alien
Presence on this earth. These people worked on the secret projects, had
access to 'classified' Top Secret documents , had seen with there own eyes
'captured' aliens, or extreterrestrial entities, UFO's and the incredible
technology they brought with them.
Sightings of UFO's have been reported throughout history, and biblical and
historic references to "Flaming Chariots" huge flying 'birds' and odd looking
beings predate our history by thousands of years. In the 1940's several
alien spacecraft were recovered by the U.S. and other countries, along with a
few dead aliens and one live one they named EBE (a name suggested by
Dr.Vannever Bush and was short for Extraterrestrail Biolgical Entity).
In 1953 astronomers discoverd large objects in space which were moving toward
earth. At first they believed they were asteroids, but later evidence proved
the objects could only be spaceships. Project Sigma and Project Plato
intercepted alien radio communication and using the computer binary language,
was able to arrange a landing that resulted in face-to-face contact with
alien beings from another planet. Meanwhile, a race of human-looking aliens
contacted the U.S. Government, warning us that the aliens orbiting the
equator were hostile beings from Orion. These human-type aliens demanded we
dismantle and destroy our nuclear weapons, that we were on a path of
self-destruction and we must stop killing each other, stop polluting the
earth, stop raping the earths natural resources and learn to live in harmony
with one another. President Eisenhower rejected these demands.
Later in 1954 the race of aliens, known as Greys, from Zeta Reticuli area in
space, who had been orbiting the equator, landed at Holloman Air Force base.
they stated their planet was dying and needed quarters on earth to conduct
genetic experiments theat might allow their race to survive; this in exchange
for certain technology. President Eisenhower met with the aliens and a
formal treaty was signed. The treaty stated the aliens would not interfere
in our affairs and we would not interfere in theirs. We would keep their
presence on earth secret; they would furnish us with advanced technology.
They could abduct humans on a limited basis for the purpose of medical
examination and monitoring, with the stipulation that the humans would not be
harmed, would be returned to their point of abduction, that the humans have
no memory of the event. It was also agreed the alien bases would be
constructed underground, beneath Indian reservations in the 4 corners area of
Utah, New Mexico, Arizona and Colorado. Another was to be constructed in
Nevada in the area known as S-4, about 7 miles south of area 51, known as
'Dreamland'. A multi-billion dollar secret fund was organized and kept by
the Military Office of the White House, supposedly to build secret
underground sites for the President and the staff in case of military
attacks.
Cont Next Message
Mike Keithly
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From: Mike.Keithly@f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mike Keithly)
Subject: Letter (Pt 2) Conclusion
Date: 20 May 91 23:49:00 GMT
(Cont from previous message)
By secret Executive Memorandum, NSC5410, Eisenhower established a permanent
committee known as "Majority Twelve" (MJ12) to oversee and conduct all covert
activities with the aliens. This included FBI director J. Edgar Hoover and
six leaders of the 'Council on Foreign Relations, known as the 'Wise Men' and
later others from the Trilateral Commision. George Bush, Gordon Dean, and
Brzezinski were among them.
A major finding of the commision was the aliens were using humans and animals
for a source on glandular secretions, enzymes, hormonal secretions, blood and
in horrible genetic experiments. The aliens explained these actions as
necessary for their survival, that if their genetic structure were not
improved, their race would cease to exist.
The ruling powers decided that one means of funding the alien project was to
corner the illegal drug market. A young ambitious member of the Council on
Foreign Relations was approached. His name is George Bush who at the time
was preident and CEO of Zapata Oil Co. based in Texas. Zapata Oil was
experimenting with offshore oil drilling and it was arranged that the drugs
could be shipped from South America to the offshore platforms by fishing
boats, then transferred to the U.S. shore by normal transportation, thus
avoiding search by customs agents. The plan worked better than anyone
expected, and today the CIA controls all the world's illegal drug markets.
One should remember, it was George Bush who first started selling drugs to
our children. The drug money was used to finance the deep underground alien
bases.
Conclusions: the Bilderburgers, the Council on Foreign Relations and the
Trilateral Commision are the SECRET GOVERNMENT and rule this nation through
MJ-12 and the study group known as the Jason Society.
Throughout history the aliens have manipulated and/or ruled the human race
through various secret societies, religion and the occult. The CFR and the
Trilateral Commision are in complete control of the alien technology and the
nation's economy. Eisenhower was the last president to know the entire
overview of the alien problem. Succeeding presidents were told only what
MJ-12 wanted them to know, and it was NOT the truth. MJ-12 presented each
new president with a picture of a lost alien culture seeking to renew itself,
build a home on this planet and shower us with gifts of technology. Each
president has bought the story hook, line, and sinker. Meanwhile, innocent
people continue to suffer unspeakable horrors at the handsof alien and human
scientists who are engaged in barbarous research that would make the Nazis
pale in comparison. As if that is not enough, many people end up as food for
the insatiable alien appetite for biological enzymes, hormonal secretions and
blood. At least 1 in every 40 Americans have been implanted with alien
devices that are used to control them if necessity calls.
By 1989 over 3 million 'Greys' are occupying these deep multi-level
underground complexes. Level 7 at Dulce is called "Nightmare Hall". They
have welched on their agreement on abducting humans; today over 25 million
citizens have been abducted and implanted, a literal army awaiting oreders to
march! (Whitley Strieber has written bestselling on his personal expierience
as have many others). For this reason other nations were informed. Within 5
months the communist monolith Russia was dismantled to unite with the U.S.
and it's technology to fight the invasion. The Hubble Space Telescope was
created to keep a watchful eye on the invasion fleet; Star Wars technology
has been developed to hopefully stop them in outer space before they can get
to the earth.
Today, the government is on the horns of a dilemma. Too may sources are
releasing alien information. The public could get angry at continued
secrecy. So MJ-12 plans soon to make an "Official" announcement, under
controlled conditions, probably Area 51. Network TV will be called to meet
the staged 'landing' of the aliens, these being the Greys. They will come
bearing gifts, technology that supposedly will heal Cancer and AIDS, retard
aging, etc. They will tell us they are 'saviors of humanity' who have come
to defend the earth against an invasion of man-eating aliens called Reptoids.
This story is a LIE, they already work for the Reptoids! Their plan is to
unify the world into a One-world Government, a 'New World Order' with the
argument that only this can defeat the invasion by Reptoids. This is a trap
to enslave the world's population. Control will be accomplished through the
money system, a universal currency controlled by certain international
bankers, who for years have been lackeys of the aliens, who seized upon their
greed and lust for wealth and power as a means to bring about their evil plan
to control the earth. (This also being the scenario predicted in the Bible's
'Book of Revelation' wherein only those who accept the Mark of the Beast (the
aliens being the 'Beast' and the 'Mark' being some sort of laser tattoo or
Credit Card they will use, which will allow people to buy and sell goods).
Those who do not accept this 'Mark' must live outside the money system and
survive somehow on their own, through barter etc.
SO BE AWARE! ONLY YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF THIS FAKE INVASION AND FAKE RAPTURE CAN
PREVENT IT FROM HAPPENING. DEMAND THE TRUTH FROM YOUR GOVERNMENT. TELL THEM
YOU KNOW ABOUT THE ALIENS AND THAT THERE ARE GOOD ALIENS AND BAD ALIENSAND
THAT MJ-12 IS PROMOTING THE BAD ALIENS AND THE ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT THEY HOPE
TO CONTROL.
Mike Keithly
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From: John.Burke@f9.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke)
Subject: Woo-woo
Date: 20 May 91 07:16:00 GMT
Mike Corbin writes:
>
> On another note, the lady that claims to be from Venus is
> totally outrageous. There is no scientific evidence that
> Venus is habitable by anyone. Until something more
> concrete breaks, if it even does, that supports the
> possibility that someone of human nature could live on
> Venus, I would say that there should be no room for a
> person with any ability to think critically to arrive at
> the conclusion that this woman is talking out of her
> glutius maximus.
As a matter of fact, during the very week that this conference
was going on, U.S. News did a *cover story* entitled "What We
Know About Venus" based on the latest info beamed to earth by
good-ol' human-made technology. We now know that the surface of
Venus is hot enough to melt lead and that it is a fair model of
the way many people imagine hell to be like. Of course, back
when George Adamski was trotting around the world on his
"diplomatic immunity" passport, no one had a clue about what
Venus was really like. Now that Wendelle has a new book out on
Adamski, it is very important for him to get someone like "Omnec
Onec" to tell the believers about the wonderful climate on Venus,
to provide "support" for Adamski's idiotic tales.
-- John
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