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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 419
Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 419
Thursday, June 6th 1991
Today's Topics:
Wernikoff on Maccabee
Welcome to Paranet
Hypnosis for truth
Re: New Affiliate
JAFT
INFO REQUEST - Bennington AFB UFO, 1975
Re: Wernikoff On Maccabee
the wrong planes
Critical Thinking
Re: (none)
Re: Communion, the movie.
Re: Welcome to Paranet
Book
Re: Hopkins' INTRUDERS
Re: Hopkins' INTRUDERS
Re: Miscellaneous
Valle Interview
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From: watson.acc.virginia.edu!JBB
Subject: Wernikoff on Maccabee
Date: 3 Jun 91 21:32:21 GMT
From: JBB@WATSON.acc.Virginia.EDU
Sheldon Wernikoff writes (Date: 1 Jun 91 13:11:00 GMT)
+ On Friday, 05-31-91, I had the pleasure of speaking with Dr.
+Robert Nathan at JPL in regards to the continuing saga of the Gulf
+Breeze photos. Nathan has analyzed several original negatives,
+utilizing microscopy, computer digitization and image enhancement,
+along with multiple density printing to arrive at the following
+conclusion: He has no definitive proof of a hoax, but the data are
+consistent with images from double exposures. Nathan does not feel
+that the GB images are from real UFO's.
+ When asked why he felt the GB photo controversy continues to
+this day, Nathan replied in one word 'Money'. In my (SW) opinion,
+that is one of the major reasons Dr. Bruce Maccabee continues to
+defend the authenticity of the photos. He receives a fee for each
+conference or symposium he attends.
In the interest of fairness to Dr. Maccabee, both he and I were in
attendance at a recent international conference of the Society for
Scientific Exploration (SSE) held on May 23 thru 25, 1991 here at
the University of Virginia. After reading Mr. Wernikoff's post to
PARANET, I contacted Dr. Lawerence Fredrick of the Astronomy Depart-
ment at UVa and Treasurer of the SSE to inquire about policy regard-
ing remuneration of those who present papers at SSE conferences. Dr.
Fredrick told me that SSE does not offer remuneration to those who
present papers at their conferences. He stated emphatically that Dr.
Maccabee did NOT receive payment of any sort for either his formal
presentation on Saturday, May 25 or his informal presentation during
the evening of May 23.
Considering the serious nature of Mr. Wernikoff's charges, I feel he
should offer in this forum an immediate public apology to Dr. Bruce
Maccabee.
Sincerely,
Joseph Burch jbb@virginia.edu
Academic Computing Center
University of Virginia
Charlottesville, VA 22903
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From: Linda.Bird@p0.f95.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Welcome to Paranet
Date: 4 Jun 91 04:06:18 GMT
Welcome, David, to Paranet. We appreciate your participation and hope you get
a lot of board callers.
Formerly from Long Beach, California,
Linda Bird
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From: David.Villa@f2704.n206.z1.FIDONET.ORG (David Villa)
Subject: Hypnosis for truth
Date: 3 Jun 91 09:20:00 GMT
I agree. My mother's hypnosis is in no way admissable in court. She
would have to take many courses in Law and proper proceedures indeed before
she could do anything legal-like with it. She basically uses it for her
patients only and does not gaurantee it's results - Self healing and
enlightenment only.
Hmm, I guess it is key for the hypnotist to forget himself while
conducting a hypnotic regression and not let any of his personal biases or
beliefs get in the way. He/she must be an impartial guide allowing the
patient to choose his own path. I guess the only way to test the
credibility of the hypnotic session is to have it observed to make sure
there was no 'leading' or 'suggesting'.
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From: David.Villa@f2704.n206.z1.FIDONET.ORG (David Villa)
Subject: Re: New Affiliate
Date: 3 Jun 91 09:30:00 GMT
Ah! I've been waiting for that! :) Heh, well let's see... I was born
in Los Angeles in July of 1971. My parents, deciding to keep my away from
the large city and growing smog, moved to Santa Barbara, California in 1973
where I have lived ever since.
We moved around a bit in SB at intermittent stages of my life but kept
fairly stable places of residence. We have had our fair share of adventure
in this ever-growing quiet little town, ranging from our house burning down
durring the late '70s fire which destroyed many houses to simple house
robery.
Durring my later stages of schooling (Jr. High - High School) I became
interested in computers, and with a old ATARI 800 with a 300 baud modem on
loan from a friend, made my enterance into the local Telecomm world. I
have made most of my local friends through the local bulletin boards and am
quite happy with them all. They are all wonderful individuals whom I value
most highly.
I started my own BBS about a year ago and it didn't have much of a theme.
It was mostly just a place to call and leave messages of no real value. I
have allways been interested in Sci/Fi and space so when one of my friends
invited me over to his house to hear a man talk about UFOs, I was quick to
say 'yes!'. The man mostly talked of Govt. Conspiracy and UFO coverups but
I came away with an avid interest and a list of books to get me started.
I changed my BBS' theme to UFOlogy/Paranormal Phenomena and got the
number from a friend of a long distance BBS which had UFO text files and the
like. When I called that system, I saw the name ParaNet somewhere on-line
and was curious as to what exactly ParaNet was. This same friend returned
from a trip to L.A. with a copy of UFO Magazine which had an add for
"ParaNet! The world's largest UFO computer network!" inside. I promptly
got in touch with Michael Corbin at ParaNet ALPHA and inquired as to
affiliation.
Currently I am 19 years old (will be 20 July 11th) and am attending Santa
Barbara City College (my first year).
As for my personal interests and hobbies:
I love gaming - Role Playing Games and Strategy games most of all. My
mountain bike, being my primary source of transportation and exercise, has
also become a very pleasurable hobby for me. I play Tennis and Raquetball
as well as practicing swordsmanship in the Society for Creative Anachronism.
I am very much a fan of the fuedal Japanese culture - Samurai era - and
collect many traditional Japanese items and study the culture (I am even
signed up for a Japanese language class in the Fall). I enjoy reading and
seeing exciting movies at home or in the theaters.
Well, that about summs it up. If you have any questions, please feel
free to ask.
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From: Jim.Speiser@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: JAFT
Date: 4 Jun 91 16:38:00 GMT
This is a test. This is only a test.
For the next sixty seconds, this node will conduct a test of the
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determine whether Crash Mail to 104/422 can be disabled. The programmers in
your area, in voluntary cooperation with FIDONet, ParaNet, and other
authorities, have developed this test in order to keep Long Distance charges
down for ne'er-do-wells such as myself. Had this been an actual emergency,
the 7062nd Airborne Intelligence Gathering Squadron would have shut down
your node, and you would have been instructed to report to the nearest alien
relocation center.
This concludes this test. Thank you for your attention, and have a nice day.
Jim Speiser
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From: upaya!tbetz
Subject: INFO REQUEST - Bennington AFB UFO, 1975
Date: 5 Jun 91 00:14:06 GMT
From: Tom Betz <upaya!tbetz>
A couple years ago on the old Paranet Alpha I read a text file on the
subject of a UFO, if I recall correctly, at Bennington AFB in
Texas.
In that report, written by a former airman, was something to the
effect that after the UFO hovered over the airfield, the
defensive missile emplacements along the runways were discovered
to have been disabled by forces unknown.
A friend visiting one of my housemates told me last night that in
1975, he happened upon a crowd of witnesses to a UFO at a service
station near Bennington, just after it had left, and he recounted
the sheer terror of their reactions to it. He had not heard any
more about the story, as the Air Force had, of course, denied
that anything happened.
I would be greatly indebted to anyone who could find that file
and either post it to the list or email it to me at the address
below, so I can share it with this fellow.
Thanks.
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From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff)
Subject: Re: Wernikoff On Maccabee
Date: 5 Jun 91 05:23:00 GMT
Mr. Burch,
In response to your suggestion that I offer Dr. Maccabee an
immediate public apology, I would like to take this opportunity to
state the following:
Apparently, in quoting my post out of context, you have
misinterpreted my opinion. My reference to renumeration was meant
to be specific to ufology conferences (see message #2998),not the
international conference of the Society for Scientific Exploration
(SSE) that you mention.
If my intended meaning was unclear, I do sincerely apologize
for that. However, I do maintain my opinion that Dr. Maccabee is
involved in Gulf Breeze at least partially for the continuing
monetary compensation he receives. If he is sincerely concerned
about resolving this quagmire, why does he not provide Dr. Nathan
with the negatives he has requested?
Sincerely,
Sheldon Wernikoff
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From: vanth!jms
Subject: the wrong planes
Date: 5 Jun 91 05:00:34 GMT
From: vanth!jms@amix.commodore.com (Jim Shaffer)
A short AP article today stated that the five planes found off Fort
Lauderdale aren't Flight 19 after all.
Just why *are* there so many planes down there?
* From the disk of: | jms@vanth.uucp | 'You know I never knew
Jim Shaffer, Jr. | amix.commodore.com!vanth!jms | that it could be so
37 Brook Street | uunet!cbmvax!amix!vanth!jms | strange...'
Montgomery, PA 17752 | 72750.2335@compuserve.com | (R.E.M.)
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From: John.Burke@f9.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke)
Subject: Critical Thinking
Date: 3 Jun 91 05:13:00 GMT
Dan Drasin writes:
> There's also another area in which some critical thinking could help:
> Since at least the 1950s we have heard claims of Venusian contacts.
> These are often dismissed out of hand due to the fact that the surface
> of Venus is hot enough to melt lead. There's only one problem with
> such dismissals: Not *one* of these alleged Venusians has ever, to my
> knowledge, claimed that life on Venus is physical-plane life;
To the contrary, the AP report on the presentation by "Omnec
Onec", quoted her assertions about the climate on Venus, which
she described as being like one of the many desert areas here on
earth. She went on to point out that we would be amazed to find
out how adaptable the human body would be to such an environment.
The excuse/explanation that the name "Venus" as used in the 50's
& 60's contactee cases is really a reference to "Venus in another
dimension" started popping up in various Wendelle Stevens books
when we started to learn more about the real planet. (i.e. in
_Koldas_ "Venus" was actually the name of an other-dimensional
counterpart for *Earth*. Small Cosmos, eh?) I should have known
that Wendelle was getting us ready for his own book on the
Adamski case!
> what *is* claimed is life on the so-called etheric plane. The 'etheric'
> plane is said to be essentially a 'parallel universe,' functioning on
> what is commonly called a higher spectrum of vibration, and virtually
> isolated from the spectrum of stimuli available to our senses (and the
> instruments we build based on the assumptions about reality that hinge
> on those senses) . . .
What I'm wondering about is whether entities from an "etheric
plane" would need a planetary environment or physical bodies.
-- John
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From: David.Villa@f2704.n206.z1.FIDONET.ORG (David Villa)
Subject: Re: (none)
Date: 5 Jun 91 07:06:00 GMT
>A couple newsletters ago, I mentioned seeing an article regarding
>the picture of Bush and an alien going for a stroll at Camp David.
>I did not mention 'Grey' aliens, nor did the article. Why does
>everyone assume immediately that it was a 'Grey'?
>
>* From: David.Villa@f2704.n206.z1.FIDONET.ORG (David Villa)
>* Subject: Bush and Grey buddy...
>* Date: 24 May 91 20:25:00 GMT
>* It was even more funny that the 'Alien' was obviously
>* just a man in a body stocking, blurred a little bit.
>
>I'm certainly not claiming that the story was true, but how was
>it 'obvious' that it was a man in a stocking suit? I keep seeing
>people say things like 'just the facts please.' People seem to have
>come up with far-reaching conclusions without even reading what was
>written within, and now that three have 'identified'
>the alien as being 'Grey,' it must be true.
Sorry if you were bothered by my message about the aforementioned
article. I was stating my oppinion of the situation, which may have been a
little (well, ok, maybe more then a little) sarcastic. Seeing as how the
article came from a 'read-it-while-you-wait-in-line-at-the-grocery-store"
type publication, I was not giving it that much credit. These are the type
of periodicles which boast such outrageous headlines as, "Watch out! There
is a three-headed monkey behind you!" in very bold, large letters on the
covers. The pictures included with the article seemed to be obvious fakes
to me. The poses of the 'being' and president in the picture were unreal.
I thought I could see what looked to me like 'superimposure' marks on the
President's head over the rest of the body. Maybe these articles in such
suspicious publications are based on some bit of truth but the hard part is
finding that inkling of truth inside the gross exageration. I was jumping
to conclusions, yes, but seeing as how the searching for the truth in an
article of this type is a very fruitless search, we might as well get a
*little* humor out of it, if nothing else. Don't you agree?
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From: David.Villa@f2704.n206.z1.FIDONET.ORG (David Villa)
Subject: Re: Communion, the movie.
Date: 5 Jun 91 07:20:00 GMT
>Well, that makes two of us who actually liked the movie. I, too, thought
>the hypnotic recollections were very well done...Mora succeeded in getting
>across the "Oz Factor", the feeling of utter unreality. And from what I
>understand, there was very little artistic license taken...most of what you
>saw was the way Whitley claims he remembered it. I think most people didn't
>like it because it didn't measure up to their expectations of what it would
>be like to be abducted.
I was watching it with a friend of mine who is familiar with
Streiber's book, _Cummunion_ and he commented durring the film that the last
scene with the ET's, when Streiber returns to his wilderness home and enters
the alien ship on his own accord, was not, as far as he could remember, in
the book. This was a very odd scene, which I am not completely sure I
understood. Streiber sees himself as a magician and tells himself, in a
rather riddle-like manner that there is more to the ET's that he is not
allowed to know. One of the ET's removes a bottem portion of his face to
show a rather grisley, horrific mouth and surrounding face area beneath.
Streiber then says, "No, I don't believe that's it. This is like a Chinese
box. You open it and there is another box inside and another box inside
that. You are a Chinese box" or somthing to that effect and the Magician
Streiber image confirms this. Do you have any theories as to what this
scene intoned? I should watch it again.
>Its been an on-again, off-again project for about 3 years now. It was
>started in the middle of some Hollywood strike, I think it was a writer's
>strike. Then the rights expired, and I think CBS picked them up and is
>holding on to them, trying to decide between several projects. The bottom
>line is, it may never be made.
That's too bad. I would really like to see this story told in a
cinemagraphic sense. I hope they complete this project. Who knows, with
UFOlogy so popular these days, there certainly is margin for profit in a
movie of this type. Incentive for any movie industry, I'd think.
Hopkins' mentions in his book that there was a movie made about the
Betty and Barney Hill abduction case, which he states, "Can be seen as a
sci/fi rerun on most late night television stations" or somthing to that
effect (not wanting to misquote Budd). Have you seen this film?
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From: David.Villa@f2704.n206.z1.FIDONET.ORG (David Villa)
Subject: Re: Welcome to Paranet
Date: 5 Jun 91 07:34:00 GMT
>Welcome, David, to Paranet. We appreciate your participation and hope you
>get a lot of board callers.
Heh, for a second there I thought you said, "We appreciate your
participation and hope you get a lot of BORED callers." (Not really, I'm
just teasing you. :)
Thanks for the welcome, Linda, here is to a very prosperous, very
informative long-lasting relationship to all my new friends out there!
<toast> Salude!
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Book
Date: 4 Jun 91 16:56:00 GMT
> Jim, I found a book written by W.A. Harbinson ..GENESIS that has a few
> questions that are bothering me. He writws the book as a novel but
Yeah, a friend of mine was telling me about that.
> names people that have been or still are active in UFO
> Reseaarch....Jessup, Klass,Ruppelt Menzel and others.
Yes, he uses "pastiche" to create a sense of reality.
> He speaks of the Robertson Panel and Operation Mainbrace. Have you any
> information at all about these ?
The former, yes, the latter I've never heard of. Robertson Panel information
can be gleaned from the ParaNet files. Michael Corbin has done some
background research on the panel, some of which can be found in TABAROB.UFO, I
think.
> He also states that some type of experiment began in Canada but was
> turned over to the USAF and Navy.** There is nothing available from the
He might be referring to Project Magnet. As far as I know, that was never
turned over to the US, but the data and results may have been.
Others here will probably know more than I. Thanks for writing!
Jim
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: Hopkins' INTRUDERS
Date: 4 Jun 91 17:01:00 GMT
> Hey, I think all us West Coasters (and anyone else who wants to
> come) should plan some kind of ParaNet get together somewhere. Just for
> us all to meet, maybe exchange stories and the like. It would be nice
> if we all were a little closer then a 'computer network' seeing as how
> we are dealing with such highly controversial material and friends in
> this situation are allways very nice to have and share. What do you
> think? Maybe an Arizona camp-out. I could easily arange going to
> Arizona or Oregon or one of the other neighboring states to CA. It's
> not that bad a ride.
That's an idea I've had for years, but have been afraid to suggest, for fear
everyone will expect me to make the arrangements. I've helped put together one
UFO conference, and I aint-a-gonna do it again. But its a great idea, and I
will make every effort to attend one!
Jim
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From: Linda.Bird@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Hopkins' INTRUDERS
Date: 5 Jun 91 04:14:00 GMT
Dear David,
Great to hear from you again! I tried calling your board yesterday
but was unable to get thru - just wanted to see if you were there and
able to chat. I even dialed the 2nd time with an access code (AT&T I
think it was) and still an operator voice told me to hang up and dial
again. Any ideas what I should do?
I think Jim Speiser would be the perfect person to organize a
Western States pow-wow. After all, he's had the experience...... That
is a great idea, however, and we should have it someplace cool, and
that isn't Phoenix right at the moment!
I met Kathie Davis last summer at the MUFON conference in
Pensacola, Fla. One of the organizers held a short social for Kathie
and invited "Ladies Only." And I was lucky enough to be invited.
It would be very beneficial for all of us if you talked to your
mother about hypnosis, then posted your findings on the board for all
of us. There is so much to learn. (Why wouldn't your friend want to
know more about the light that spoke to him???)
Best regards,
Linda
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From: Linda.Bird@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Miscellaneous
Date: 5 Jun 91 04:28:00 GMT
Hello Michael,
I'll send you the entire article so you can see the Declaration in
the context of the article.
Expect a snail in a few days. :-)
Best,
Linda
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From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff)
Subject: Valle Interview
Date: 6 Jun 91 02:21:00 GMT
George Earley's interview with Dr. Jacques Vallee (ParaNet
file number 01154) was for the most part accurate in describing the
current state of affairs in contemporary ufological circles.
However, I must disagree with a statement Dr. Valle made in
regard to the beliefs and convictions of Isaac Asimov and Carl
Sagan.
Dr. Vallee stated (in considering Sagan's and Asimov's
knowledge of the UFO phenomenon) that "...They've < Sagan and
Asimov > never taken time to study the cases themselves. All they
know about it is what they read in the National Enquirer..."
I must admit that I too don't agree with everything that Sagan
and Asimov say, but do you seriously believe that these two
respected men glean their data from the tabloids?
As the file header states, "...we must begin to police our own
backyard...", so let's get our act together folks!
Sheldon
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