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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 411
Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 411
Wednesday, May 29th 1991
Today's Topics:
Re: WALTER.SAL
CROP CIRCLES
Uncle Sam's Moon Mountain...
Re: FLIGHT 19
Re: MEIER, STEVENS, TUCSON AND CAMELOT
Woo-woo
Letter
(none)
Questions, questions, and more questions--any answers?
Re: GREEN FIREBALLS
Re: WALTER.SAL
Re: WALTER.SAL
Bush and Grey buddy...
Re: GREEN FIREBALLS
Re: WALTER.SAL
CROP CIRCLES
Hard Copy
Re: FLIGHT 19
Trilateral Commision.
Dr. Robert Nathan
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From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: WALTER.SAL
Date: 21 May 91 18:12:09 GMT
I tend to agree with your ideas. Ed is also destined to make a killing from
movie rights if there is one. He's no fool either way, and the constant flow
of information keeps GB in the lime light. Sometimes I think the UFO model
made out of Plans, was a great publicity plant. Just enough confusion and
question to keep the interest up. Lets say I'm trying to keep a story active,
I make a model, just close enough to be wrong (not matching the photos) with
plans that can be confused with older plans, conveintly leave it behind (or
plant it during an inspection) for someone to discover later, leak news of it
to the reporters, etc. This is not as far fetched as some other things we
come across.
Destined to remain a mystery, and that's the key to interest because by
nature we want answers.
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From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)
Subject: CROP CIRCLES
Date: 21 May 91 18:14:56 GMT
From: LARRY F. JOHNSON
When I first began hearing of the "chemical and molecular changes"
in plants associated with the crop circles, I began scouring books and
articles trying to find a solid reference to the testing of the plants
within crop circles, and lab test results.
Thus far, the only citation I've found which mentions a specific
test and laboratory is from a review of the latest Andrews and Delgado
book by Dennis Stacy in the March 1991 MUFON UFO Journal. In the
review, Stacy expresses frustration over the vagueness of A&D 's
references to "the only laboratories in the UK conducting such a test".
Stacy then quotes from "Crop Circles - The Mystery Deepens" by
Richard Beaumont -
" In Stroud the HSC (UK & Ireland) Limited Laboratory provides a
specialized service where crystalline structures from blood are analysed
and crystalline patterns of herbs can be matched to those of the
each individual's needs and which has been successful in treating
patients holistically. "
" This process being one of `energy medicine' was applied to the
cereal crop from various circles with interesting results."
" From the photographs (see below) it is clear that there is a
noticeable change in the energy patterns of the corn from inside the
circle to that of the control sample which was taken from the outside of
the field."
" This is just an interim finding as experiments are still being
carried out, and a report will be published later this year."
I would be extremely happy if people would start beating me over the
head with the names of specific studies by specific laboratories, with
the names of specific individuals I could contact. Until then my
skepticism about these "chemical and molecular changes" I keep hearing
about is going to have to stand.
I thought this might be interesting enough to forward over to Paranet from
UFO echo.
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From: Steve.Rose@p1.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Rose)
Subject: Uncle Sam's Moon Mountain...
Date: 20 May 91 17:47:36 GMT
In a message to Steve Rose <18 May 91 20:24> Linda Bird wrote:
LB> Hi Steve,
LB> Good point! I think Hollywood is going to break the UFO story
LB> to us first. What if? Wouldn't that be IRONIC?
I think 'history' will always be dramatized by Hollywood, but never
legitimized. We already had our "Close Encouters" movie. Now they
(apparantly) found those five missing planes, and a bit of our hope dies with
the discovery and its seemingly mundane explanation.
No...I believe Hollywood's *role* if there is one...is more in line with
keeping the dream alive, more than anything else. It is the one avenue of
existance reality can NEVER touch...until we let it. ;-)
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: FLIGHT 19
Date: 22 May 91 08:06:00 GMT
PP> Sure thing John and if they find them to be the right ones,
PP> the initial story that started the Bermuda Triangle will
PP> have died.
I really think I liked it better as a mystery.
PP> And if it's not the right planes, we still have a mystery
PP> to solve.
You just had to say that, didn't you. ;-)
jbh
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From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: MEIER, STEVENS, TUCSON AND CAMELOT
Date: 22 May 91 16:48:12 GMT
Your message made my day and it's only 9:45 here. By the way did we get a
cross feed from the Rush Limbaugh echo or something. <DITTO'S>
If I ever get his FAX number I'll be sending some paranet files off to him,
and I'll save your message about disabled politicians.
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From: Tyson.Mitchiner@p2.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Tyson Mitchiner)
Subject: Woo-woo
Date: 20 May 91 23:27:22 GMT
nc> intercontextual communication that's a *minimum* requirement for
nc> solving the multidimensional UFO riddle. Some 'woo-woo' might be the
nc> price we have to pay for this, but the alternative would seem to be
nc> a situation that could set our understanding back many decades...
nc> and that is no doubt precisely what some people would like to have
nc> happen.
nc> Comments?
nc> =d=
Christopher Columbus, The Wright Brothers, and countless of other pioneers
were considered "woo-woo" people. The important thing is that they never gave
up despite the jeers and taunts of others.
Tyson
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From: Steve.Rose@p1.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Rose)
Subject: Letter
Date: 22 May 91 22:01:26 GMT
In a message to All <20 May 91 13:30> Mike Keithly wrote:
MK> I just recieved this in the mail today, from who i dont know but
MK> here it is in it's entirety.
MK> President Eisenhower met with the aliens and a
MK> formal treaty was signed. The treaty stated the aliens would not
MK> interfere in our affairs and we would not interfere in theirs.
MK> We would keep their presence on earth secret; they would furnish
MK> us with advanced technology. They could abduct humans on a
MK> limited basis for the purpose of medical examination and...
HAHAHAHA!!! Thanks for the comedic material you received. It really gave us
the humor of the day, and proves that this sillyness still exists in this day
and age. Please do let us know if you receive more of this same 'stuff'. I
haven't laughed as hard as when I read the 'Phoenix transcripts' and the time I
saw that 'photograph' of the President and a Grey walking arm in arm on the
White House lawn. Guess they would like to claim that as 'proof' now...
wouldn't they? :-)
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From: lush@ecn.purdue.edu
Subject: (none)
Date: 27 May 91 19:35:47 GMT
From: lush@ecn.purdue.edu (Gregory B Lush)
Subject: Questions, questions, and more questions--any answers?
To all,
I have some questions for which I would welcome any comments from any
and all persons. I'm trying to understand what people are thinking
with regard to UFOs and aliens. I don't mean any part of this to
be beligerant; I'm just trying to understand others' points of view.
It seems as though most of the postings just go around in circles
from believers to skeptics to the 'middle road' people.
I want to understand what it is that makes people want to discuss UFOs.
Has anyone changed his/her mind about the subject of aliens/UFOs since
participating in this newsletter? Why are you reading this newsletter?
Some people have said that they 'saw something' and want to know what it
was. Even the strongest skeptics MUST believe that there is the
possibility of aliens or else they wouldn't waste their time and the
other readers' time as well. Am I correct?
Let's start with an example which was stated, I assume, to cast
doubt on the validity of Ed Walter's photographs:
Someone posted something about Ed Walters and the fact that
a model was found in his attic. This would cast doubt on some of
his pictures if the model looked ANYTHING like ANY of his pictures.
Could the model have been planted there? Will we ever know?
There has been a large number of complaints about a conference where
a woman from Venus was allowed to talk. This gives UFOlogy a bad
name, people say. Why do you care what others think? Seeking
understanding about these phenomena seems like one of the most personal
ventures a person can make. Let this 'Venitian' do what she feels she
needs to do, and you can filter out her input if you deem it inappropriate.
I think most of us are able to do that.
What would it take to convince people that aliens are here?
And further, what are you going to do with the information if it
is proven to you, personally, that aliens are here? What does/would
it mean to you?
I am genuinely curious. It seems that any photo, person, story, etc.
can be called a fake. No one thing should convince anyone of anything.
There was a discussion about what would be proof. There were several
possibilities mentioned but the only thing that I
remember being called 'proof' was if we could find a piece of material
which 'could not have been made on earth.' We know the government keeps
secret research going (for military, 'national security,' etc.). Couldn't
any such material be explained that way? So that
doesn't seem to prove anything either. Besides, Meier produced such a
specimen and the conclusion of one investigator was that it could not
have been made on earth. So what?
What if a saucer landed on your front lawn? Is there any way you could
know whether that was alien rather than another product of secret
governmental research? So you saw an alien come out. How do you prove
he's not wearing a disguise? Do you check for genitals? That might be
considered very rude on his planet--earth or otherwise. Certainly our
government's telling us that aliens DO exist should not be taken as
proof--that would only mean 'they' are either lying now or were lying before.
You still wouldn't know which.
What if we assume that there ARE aliens? What with all the stars
and planets out there, there must be life somewhere. It is reasonable
therefore, to assume that one civilization might be advanced (or patient)
enough to visit here (to see that 'Epcot Center' they had heard so much
about!). Does that mean that ONE valid picture would PROVE their presence?
Is there any way to get a 'valid' picture? It seems as though people just
wait until someone finds some way to re-create the picture and then
declare it bunk.
Are there other sources of information which can teach us something?
No one talks much about all the myths from ancient civilizations
from South American indians, the Hopi's, Hindus, Greeks, to the Dakotas
and others being visited by and taught by aliens, many of which are
associated with beings from the Pleiades. In one of my first posts I
mentioned that in the King James bible in Genesis there is a line about
'Sons of God' mating with humans and that the "Nephilim" were on the
planet then. I only found the word 'nephology' in the dictionary
(study of clouds), so I wondered (aloud) if these were the
'People from the Clouds.' Since then, I talked with a Greek fellow
about this. He then looked up some Greek roots to our words which I wish
to share (used without permission, by the way):
Nephele = ancient greek female god of clods/weather
Nephele = Cloud, Fog, Darkness or Crowd
Nephelegeretes = Cloudcollectors
Ne = negation (un-, -less, anti-, etc.)
Philos = Friend
Phile = Friend (feminine)
Philia = Friendship
Phili = Kiss
Philema = the respectful Kissing
Nephiles = Friendless, Unfriend
He said that there can be some confusion as to i's and e's during
translation so he gave both possibilities. It seems as though the
proper translation is likely to be 'friendless, unfriend.' There
are tales about UNFRIENDLY Pleiadians in these myths as well.
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Now to the Pleiades and the Pleidians:
Pleia/Pleon = more (adverb) ---> Pleiades = majorities (substantive)
Pleio/Pleo = sailing, travelling without engine by using the natural
power (like wind, waves, sun and stars --->Navigation)
(transitive verb also: crossing, driving through)
---->Pleiades = the sailing/travelling units.
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Does anyone find that second definition (Pleio/Pleo) fascinating?
I know this isn't 'concrete evidence' of anything, but I think it's
pretty cool! I don't think it should be discarded entirely.
I believe that many 'myths' are largely truth or based on true
events. (Just like our network newscasts!) And I think there is a
lot that can be gleaned from them.
I'm asking these questions because I don't see any way to 'scientifically'
PROVE the existence of aliens, short of a personal ride out of the galaxy.
I don't think any alien has the 'time' to take us all for a ride one
by one. I guess there IS the method used in the movie
'The Day the Earth Stood Still,' but if it is true that they cannot
interfere, that won't happen either.
I believe/know aliens are here. That's my opinion/feeling. It seems to
'fit the data' better than the idea that there are none here. The problem
is sorting out which data points are valid and which are not. I guess I
believe Billy Meier's contacts are valid, so that is a start for me.
Perhaps better questions to ask, even if you don't believe yet, are:
Why are they here?
Why are they being so discreet/evasive/selective as to contacts?
Maybe some of the answers people might come up with will
cast new light on this whole bag of issues.
I'm sorry this is so long, but I didn't feel like I was getting
much out of the newsletter because it wasn't addressing the
questions I have. I want to stimulate some discussion along lines
I feel will be more fruitful, for me anyways. Hope some people are
interested.
Greg (lush@ecn.purdue.edu)
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From: Steve.Gresser@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Gresser)
Subject: Re: GREEN FIREBALLS
Date: 23 May 91 18:48:00 GMT
Yes, it's happening the 17th of July, but no I don't have a time that it is
happening. If anybody knows, I would really be interested, but I am quite
shure that it will be in the papers.
Be seeing you ...
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: WALTER.SAL
Date: 24 May 91 21:01:00 GMT
> think the UFO model made out of Plans, was a great publicity plant. Just
> enough confusion and question to keep the interest up. Lets say I'm
> trying to keep a story active, I make a model, just close enough to be
> wrong (not matching the photos) with plans that can be confused with
> older plans, conveintly leave it behind (or plant it during an
> inspection) for someone to discover later, leak news of it to the
> reporters, etc. This is not as far fetched as some other things we come
> across.
Pete, I suggested that the moment I heard about the model. It is in perfect
keeping with Ed's history of practical joking. Ask yourself, what is more
likely, that Phil Klass managed to go from Washington to Gulf Breeze and back
in total secrecy, managed to get into the house unnoticed, and plant the
model, or is it more likely that Ed himself planted it on purpose, knowing it
would "backfire" and create more sympathy for him? If Klass were to go to all
that trouble, don't you think he would at least take the time to make the
model a perfect double for the ones in the photos? I assure you, whatever else
he is, Klass is the picture of thoroughness.
Jim
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From: David.Villa@f2704.n206.z1.FIDONET.ORG (David Villa)
Subject: Re: WALTER.SAL
Date: 24 May 91 20:15:00 GMT
I have recently read _Gulf Breeze Sighting_ and sent a letter to Ed
Walters. I got back a small postcard with prices for the UFO poster and
Video Tape, plus a little signiture which was all too suspicious as a "here
is my autograph" type situation.
I understand that he must get a great volume of letters every week but it
was not what I expected. I also understand that, because of the growing
interest in Ufology, it would be hard for a person in his situation to
refuse to make a little money off of his experiences.
So, there is a flipside to the Gulf Breeze story. Models? I guess I
have not had access to any information regarding the current situation in
Gulf Breeze. What do you reccommend I read to update myself on this topic?
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From: David.Villa@f2704.n206.z1.FIDONET.ORG (David Villa)
Subject: Bush and Grey buddy...
Date: 24 May 91 20:25:00 GMT
Haha, yes, I saw that picture as well, while standing in line to purchase
my groceries. Quite funny. It's amazing what people will read these days.
It was even more funny that the "Alien" was obviously just a man in a body
stocking, blurred a little bit.
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From: David.Villa@f2704.n206.z1.FIDONET.ORG (David Villa)
Subject: Re: GREEN FIREBALLS
Date: 24 May 91 20:28:00 GMT
Wow, I have been in Arizona once before traveling early in the morning.
Those vast, wide-open spaces would be great to watch a meteor shower. And
that eclipse might even be worth travelling out there for. Being in
Southern California, myself, it's not that far a trip.
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: WALTER.SAL
Date: 24 May 91 17:28:03 GMT
> Sometimes I think the UFO model made out of Plans, was a
> great publicity plant.
That's a good idea. Wonder if anyone's considered that aspect.
Note that the model flap started flapping shortly before the MUFON
symposium, where Ed was the big attraction.
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: CROP CIRCLES
Date: 24 May 91 17:29:04 GMT
> I thought this might be interesting enough to forward over to
> Paranet from UFO echo.
Yeah, I'd read before that the "scientific lab" may be something
goofy.
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Hard Copy
Date: 25 May 91 07:43:01 GMT
I understand there'll be something interesting ufo-related on Hard Copy
Monday night. No other info.
jbh
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From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: FLIGHT 19
Date: 24 May 91 15:16:20 GMT
I like a good mystery as much as the next person, especially when it
involves real situations. If this is the solution to Flight 19, it's not
going to change my world, just my information which I use to view the world.
There is more than enough unsolved out there to keep anyone busy. At this
late date the Govt. doesn't need to cover-up anything about this flight,
except if the familys have some cause to sue their buns off for something.
(CYA principles)
My thoughts on the events of the past weeks: If people had scrutinized the
original reports with the care they are taking to pick away at this
discovery, there would be no Bermuda Triangle mystery.
I was takin in for many years, but the whole thing started to fall apart
piece by piece, including erroneous reports, neglected follow-up on events,
and rational answers to many of the disappearances. IMHO There is nothing
unusual in the area (which varies by author inclusions) called the Bermuda
Triangle. At least nothing more than anyplace else on this planet.
It brings up a discussion that people were having a couple of years ago
suggesting that UFO sightings and contacts be mapped. After some time it was
determined that the coverage was fairly universal. Sure some places seem to
have more events, but as far as finding a pattern, it would be like throwing
a hand full of pepper on a chart, random distribution. (that's my comparison)
The project was shelved.
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From: acobley@microcomputer-centre.dundee.ac.uk
Subject: Trilateral Commision.
Date: 28 May 91 11:32:26 GMT
From: andy cobley <acobley@microcomputer-centre.dundee.ac.uk>
I have seen mention of the Trilateral Commision on this digest
for some time, along with the Bildeborg (sp?). My question is
this, What are these two groups. What is there cover purpose,
and what is their real purpose ?
Andy
acobley@mic.dund.ac.uk
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Dr. Robert Nathan
Date: 25 May 91 15:46:00 GMT
> On Wednesday, May 29, I shall be speaking with Dr. Robert Nathan
> at the California Institute of Technology's Jet Propulsion
> Laboratory re: Gulf Breeze photos.
>
> As most of you know, Dr. Nathan's view of Ed Walter's films
> differs significantly from Dr. Bruce Maccabee's opinion.
> I find it quite puzzling that these two respectable scientists
> should have such opposing convictions.
>
> If any of you have any questions or comments for Dr. Nathan, please
> reply to this message, and I shall post his response at the end of
> next week.
I would like to know what he is planning on doing about Ed using his name in
the book as a supporter of his claims, while in fact Nathan did not state
those things. Nathan has always felt those photos were faked.
Mike
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