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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 414
Thursday, May 30th 1991
Today's Topics:
Vallee Interview, Conclusion
Alien Fetus Recovered??
Clandestine Mars Observer Launch??
Re: FLIGHT 19
Re: WALTER.SAL
Dr. Robert Nathan
Dr. Marina Popovich
Re: (none)
Re: HARD COPY BOOBOO!
Re: Here's an Item for Inclusion in Info
Re: GREEN FIREBALLS
Re: (none)
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Subject: Vallee Interview, Conclusion
Date: 29 May 91 06:29:00 GMT
<<<<Continued from previous message>>>>
In certain cases, a "day dreaming" type of technique can
help the person remember things at his or her own pace. This
could also come through dreams, it could come through
drawings...it could take a long time, like months. But this is
much more intrusive than saying "You-Are-Now-Under-My-Power-and-
You-Will-Remember-the-Time-When-the-Aliens-Took-You..." which is
very often what you hear on those ridiculous abduction tapes.
Earley: This goes along with a recent book review7 that
examined hypnosis and questioned if hypnosis per se actually
existed or whether we can, by simply relaxing people, enable them
to be in a fully waking state but simply have more access to
their memories.
Vallee: Again, I'm not a specialist of that field and I'm
just relaying what different professionals have told me. They
disagree among themselves so I should obviously qualify that.
There are obviously some instances where hypnosis is the
technique of choice. There is another case in my files in which
I went to a...psychiatrist who is trained in hypnosis. He told
me he did not want to do it. And his reasons showed the reaction
of a true professional. He said "I should not be the one doing
it for two reasons. First of all, I do not have enough recent
clinical experience with hypnosis. And second, I know you. I've
read your books and you're a friend of mine and I know too much
about the subject. We should find somebody who is qualified, who
knows hypnosis, who has an open mind on UFOs but does not have a
personal framework..." It is difficult, but such people exist.
Let me mention another case I've worked on recently, the
case of a man with a Silicon Valley computer company, who came to
me because he remembered seeing some objects over Hawaii. He
wanted to be hypnotized because he felt there had been some
action of that type (abduction). I took him to a team of two
doctors. One is not a psychiatrist but an M.D. who uses hypnosis
in his medical practice and the other one is a psychologist who
teaches hypnosis to psychologists -- in other words, he is doing
research on hypnosis and he teaches it. I asked them what kind
of methodology could be used in abduction cases, how would they
go about it. they said the only way we should do it is to use
the standards of admissibility of hypnosis in court. The state
of California has published some very strict guidelines for when
hypnosis is admissible in the courts of that state. These
guidelines are perfect. They are tailor-made for us in UFO
research. Hypnosis is not admissible unless everything is on
video tape including the induction phase, so you can see if there
are leading questions, you can check if there is full disclosure
in the beginning by the hypnotist on what the person is to expect
and so on. You should also have physiological measurements; for
example, skin response measurements and pulse measurements. You
never see this in UFO abduction research.
In this case, the two doctors set up a number of instruments
that were visible to the cameras. There were two cameras
shooting at the same time so you could always see the instruments
as you heard the answers; you could have chronological
correlation. Another expert could alter say, "that person,
doctor, was not hypnotized when he said this. He was not in a
state of hypnosis." And different experts could challenge the
data and argue. Otherwise what you have is pure garbage, you
just have someone saying something on tape.
In the case of this man, we found that indeed he remembered
a lot about the incident in Hawaii but that the real incident did
not happen in Hawaii. It was many years before and there may
have been an abduction in the south of the United States when he
was in a car with his parents. At that point he became so
agitated that the two doctors hot him out of hypnosis, which is
precisely the point where a ufologist would have jumped up and
down and said "Oh goody, let's find out what happened! Did they
have big eyes, were they grey, which planet did they take you
to..." and so on.
But the doctors stopped everything and said "We are not
going to do anything further until we have a therapy contract
with this man. Obviously this is an extremely traumatic
experience for him and if we pick it up again we will pick it up
as part of a course of therapy." That is the reaction of true
professionals in the business, where you have to worry about
possibly causing harm to the patient, and keeping your license
and malpractice and everything else -- all the things ufologists
treat very lightly.
Earley: Have they gone deeper into it?
Vallee: We did not pursue it yet. It will be up to him
[the subject] to decide if he wants to do more.
ANIMAL MUTILATIONS
Earley: You wrote some introductory remarks to Linda
Moulton Howe's book, An Alien Harvest...
Vallee: There are certain parts of the book I would not
condone or agree with but it is her right to publish it, and I
wanted to support her work on mutilations. I think she is
raising a number of important questions the UFO community has
been ignoring.
Earley: Do you feel that the mutilations are not being done
by a normal human agency?
Vallee: Ahhh...let me put it this way. I made it clear in
Confrontations that I was not going to discuss mutilations even
though they were a possibly relevant subject. I've done a number
of field studies of mutilation cases on the same level as this in
which there was certainly no classic explanation for what had
happened to the animals. The witnesses had seen objects in the
sky at about the same time the mutilations had happened. That
doesn't mean that I can prove a correlation and that's where I
stop. I do have an open mind on that. Linda is doing some very
good work in that field. More people should be looking at it. I
cannot tell you that there is a link between UFOs and
mutilations.
Earley: Would you be planning to publish your research at
some point?
Vallee: I don't know. I might.
Earley: Thank you very much for your time, Dr. Vallee. I
am sure FATE readers will be interested in your remarks.
NOTES:
1) Dr. Richard Haines, a retired senior scientist formerly
employed by NASA, is the author of several books on UFOs
including, Advanced Aerial Devices Reported During the Korean
War; L.S.A. Press; 1990
2) "Photo Analysis of an Aerial Disc Over Cost Rica" by Richard
F. Haines & Jacques Vallee; Journal of Scientific Exploration,
Vol. 3, No. 2, 1989. A response by Haines & Vallee, based on an
examination of the original negative, to referee questions,
appeared in Vol. 4, N. 1; 1990 as "Photo Analysis of an Aerial
Disc Over Costa Rica: New Evidence."
3) Saucer Smear Vol. 37, No. 3, April 30, 1990.
4) "The Thickets of Magonia" by Jerome Clark; International UFO
Reporter; Jan.-Feb., 1990.
5) First Contact. ed. by Ben Bova & Byron Preiss; NAL; 1990.
6) Encounters by Edith Fiore, Ph.D.; Doubleday; 1989.
7) "Demystifying Hypnosis" in the Skeptical Inquirer, Vol. 14,
No. 3/Spring 1990. the book under review is Hypnosis: The
Cognitive-Behavioral Perspective edited by Nicholas P. Spanos &
John F. Chaves; Prometheus Books; 1989. Also see They Call It
Hypnosis by Robert A. Baker; Prometheus Books; 1990; pages 237-
250, "Hypnosis and Alien Abductions."
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From: ParaNet.Information.Service@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (sm)
Subject: Alien Fetus Recovered??
Date: 29 May 91 06:31:00 GMT
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ParaNet received a clipping from Lorne Goldfader, director
of the Vancouver-based UFO Research Institute of Canada (UFORIC).
It details an investigation by Goldfader into an alleged
recovered fetus that was miscarried by a British Columbian woman
who claimed that she was impregnated during an abduction event.
Goldfader has disclosed to ParaNet that at this time the specimen
is in a pathology lab being tested and that results of these
tests will be forthcoming soon. At this time, there is very
little information to substantiate that anything unusual has
happened. According to the victim, the pregnancy is unusual as
she claims she is celibate. Although this is not a good case for
an unexplained pregnancy at the hands of aliens, we have
reprinted the article for informational purposes. ParaNet will
provide an update as information is available.
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SEX, SURGERY AND SPACE ALIENS
Extra-terrestrials seem to prefer British Columbia
Reprinted from an article appearing in The Weekly Newsmagazine,
British Columbian Report, May 27, 1991, Volume 2 Number 39.
Last week researcher Chris Rutkowski, of Winnipeg revealed
that British Columbians reported 114, or 49% of the 232 UFO
sightings in Canada in 1990. For some the survey was
confirmation of a long-held belief that B.C. is home to more than
its share of those on the lunatic fringe. But for those who
claim to have encountered beings from outer space, the survey was
a confidence-builder. They could take comfort in the knowledge
that more and more of their neighbours[sic] are willing to risk
being classified as crazies[sic], by speaking of encounters with
extra-terrestrials.
Alvena Scott, a 41-year old Vancouver receptionist, is one
of those finding security in numbers. Miss Scott claims she has
been about as close as anyone can get to a space alien. Indeed
she is one of about 20 people in the Vancouver area who say they
have been abducted by extra-terrestrial. Apparently some of the
aliens were nice enough to operate on her to repair a faulty
kidney. Others, however, were only interested in her
reproductive capacity. She says the latter group impregnated her
during a March 1990 abduction. Three months later, despite the
fact she had been celibate for years, she experienced a
miscarriage.
Miss Scott says that in the summer of 1985 she was
experiencing excruciating pain in the area of her left kidney.
Doctors told her the kidney would have to be removed but she
feared surgery and would not consent to an operation. She
explains that during this period she began nightly meditations
and it was after one of these sessions that the first alien
showed up in her bedroom. The next thing she knew she was in a
circular room surrounded by seven-foot-tall, blue-eyed, human-
like creatures. She awoke in her bed the next morning to find
blood on her sheets and on her torso. But her kidney problem was
gone.
Miss Scott says that five years after her encounter with the
beneficent, tall, blue-eyed beings she had a bad experience with
some small, insect-featured extra-terrestrials. She claims that
in March of 1990 she was "forcibly taken" in the middle of the
night to a spaceship. Apart from going through a series of
tunnels she remembers nothing of the journey to the spaceship but
she has vivid recollections of her experiences aboard the aliens'
craft. She was one of about 20 "earth people," of both sexes, on
the ship. After communicating with the aliens by telepathy she
learned the earth women would have sperm "injected into them."
She received sperm but was not told who or what provided it.
Three months later she had a miscarriage.
A tissue sample from the miscarriage has allegedly been
given Lorne Goldfader, director of the Vancouver-based UFO
Research Institute of Canada (UFORIC). Mr. Goldfader says other
UFO researchers have had evidence of UFOs mysteriously
disappearing. To reduce the risk of theft he's not disclosing
where the tissue is being stored. The 41-year-old Vancouver
postal worker says the sample, which "appears to be the first
stage of a foetus[sic]," will be examined by a pathologist in due
course. However, as of last week, despite a year-long search,
Mr. Goldfader had been unable to find a lab willing to perform
the analysis.
Another UFO researcher, Graham Conway from Delta, says that
based on his knowledge of the case and the phenomenon, the sample
tissue "does indeed look to be what he (Mr. Goldfader) claims it
is." Mr. Conway, 64, described the material as a tiny but
"perfectly human (-looking) foetus[sic] with a tiny umbilical
chord[sic] attached to it." The former high school teacher says
he has no doubts about Miss Scott's "sincerity" in the matter.
And after 44 years in the (UFO research) field, he thinks this
might well be the long-awaited breakthrough in abduction research.
His experience in the field leads him to believe that
accounts like those of Miss Scott are becoming too numerous to
ignore. "If it's a figment of the imagination, it is happening
to a lot of imaginations. I believe that there's inference with
birth."
In another case he investigated, a B.C. woman reported being
taken aboard a spacecraft and introduced to a boy she was told
was her son. He says most of the women who report such genetic
tampering are in the 35-40 age group. He adds that a significant
number of "abducted" women have been sexually abused in their
earth lives.
For her part Miss Scott says the alien encounters not only
cured her kidney problems but also gave her a whole new outlook
on life and made her "a much more spiritual person." Still, she
confesses that there has been a negative side-effect. "My
relatives think I'm nuts." -- Barbara Tandory
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Subject: Clandestine Mars Observer Launch??
Date: 29 May 91 06:31:00 GMT
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On May 26th, our own Don Ecker was seen on Hard Copy, a
television news program, discussing the recent visit to the
United States by Marina Popovitch, a Russian Colonel who has
knowledge of the ill-fated Phobos II space probe sent to Mars to
send back information on the red planet and one of its moons,
Phobos. According to Popovitch, the probe was destroyed by a long
cigar-shaped object as it approached the orbiting satellite.
Although this information is speculative and not confirmed, a
recent article appearing in a science publication did confirm
that a strange shadow was seen prior to Phobos II spinning out of
control and breaking contact with earth. Obviously there is a
lot yet to be learned about what really happened up there.
ParaNet has received information that Richard C. Hoagland,
the noted author of The Monuments of Mars - a book detailing a
possible surface anomaly on the planet, that NASA has covertly
launched the Mars observer spacecraft to speed to Mars to find
out what is going on up there. Below is a reprint of that
article. Our members are encouraged to provide any information
that would substantiate or disavow these claims.
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U.S. MARS MISSION?
[Extracted from SpaceNews, 5-13-91, a publication normally
concerned with amateur radio topics.]
WWCR's radio broadcast "For The People" on 03-May-91 carried a
report by Richard C. Hoagland, who believes the United States
might have a spacecraft on its way to the planet Mars in order to
investigate the "Cydonia Message" first discovered in photos
taken by Viking 1 in 1976. Hoagland believes the Mars observer
spacecraft was deployed by the Space Shuttle "Atlantis" on
mission STS-38. According to official records, STS-38 carried an
AFP-658 satellite into orbit. An AFP-658 satellite measures 65
feet long and 15 feet in diameter. Hoagland believes this
payload was actually a booster rocket for the Mars observer
spacecraft which was later mated with the Mars observer
spacecraft on a following STS mission.
Observers reported seeing Atlantis and its satellite deployment
during mission STS-38. Some observers reported seeing both
objects illuminated by a reddish glow, which has yet to be
explained. On later orbits, the deployed satellite appeared to
have vanished.
Hoagland feels that if such a spacecraft were on its way to Mars,
it should be transmitting on X-band using pseudo-random noise
encoding. Hoagland is trying to get in touch with scientists who
have deep space X-band receive capabilities to see if signals can
be detected coming from Mars. The reception of intelligent radio
signals from Mars could indicate that either the US or the Soviet
Union have Mars observers sending valuable data back to
scientists on Earth.
Cydonia is a Martian desert located in the northern hemisphere of
Mars. It contains a mile-long, 1500 foot humanoid "face" and a
system of five-sided pyramids. Through images taken by Viking 1,
the "face" was found to contain such detail as an eye socket,
eyeball and pupil, nose and mouth. The facial proportions are
those of early man.
An investigation into Cydonia could help to confirm these
findings and shed light into their meaning.
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: FLIGHT 19
Date: 27 May 91 17:18:01 GMT
> IMHO There is nothing unusual in the area
> (which varies by author inclusions) called the Bermuda Triangle.
> At least nothing more than anyplace else on this planet.
The only thing that might be considered unusual is fast-developing
nasty thunderstorms. Since we get the same weather here in Florida I
don't think of it as being unusual at all.
There's an old saying about Florida weather, "If you don't like the
weather, wait a minute." ;-)
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: WALTER.SAL
Date: 27 May 91 17:23:02 GMT
> So, there is a flipside to the Gulf Breeze story. Models? I
> guess I have not had access to any information regarding the
> current situation in Gulf Breeze. What do you reccommend I read
> to update myself on this topic?
Pick up a copy of the MUFON Symposium Proceedings, which will be
available in July from MUFON. It'll contain Bruce Maccabee's
exhaustive compilation of the other Gulf Breeze area incidents and
their relationship to Ed-incidents.
As far as other stuff, call my bbs (407)649-4136 and you'll find a
Gulf Breeze files area, which contains lots of stuff both pro and con,
including an interview with Ed and the Salisberry report.
Leave me a note in the local message area when you call so I can
upgrade your access.
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Dr. Robert Nathan
Date: 27 May 91 17:25:03 GMT
Maybe I should be a little more specific.
Please ask Dr. Nathan how (in a technical sense) he's analysed any
Ed photos and the results of that analysis (also in a technical
sense).
jbh
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From: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen)
Subject: Dr. Marina Popovich
Date: 28 May 91 07:52:01 GMT
* Replying to a message originally to All
DE> The interview with Dr. Marina Popovich, Retired Soviet Air
DE> Force Colonel and top Soviet UFOlogist will air on Hard
DE> Copy on Monday May 27th. This should be of great interest
DE> so if you get a chance make sure you do not miss it.
DE>
DE> Don
I'll say!! That was probably one of the BEST pieces I've ever seen.
Has anyone mentioned what they think the "shadow" was, as indicated by the
Russian probe before it went ...poof?
Your comments were excellent and I just wonder what OUR Govt/Military
does/reacts to the presentation. It's indeed a shame when the Soviets
are forthright about their evidence and their military admits to being
"baffled" and *our* military just stonewalls the public.
I'm *glad* my VCR was working fine :-)
Regards,
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From: Linda.Bird@p0.f95.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: (none)
Date: 29 May 91 04:15:29 GMT
Thanks Greg, for all your thoughtful comments. I especially liked the comments you made on the origins of the Greek nam.
You surely have given us all some food for thought!
Best regards,
Linda Bird
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From: Linda.Bird@p0.f95.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: HARD COPY BOOBOO!
Date: 29 May 91 04:20:38 GMT
Sheldon,
You said it! Those photos Marina held up were less than exciting, too.
And why couldn't we see the actual footage of the object casting a shadow? Why all the secrecy and games?
(Don't you think Phobos is one of the strangest objects you have ever
seen? That huge hole reminds me of a gaping mouth...)
Keep them eyes sharp!
Linda
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From: David.Villa@f2704.n206.z1.FIDONET.ORG (David Villa)
Subject: Re: Here's an Item for Inclusion in Info
Date: 28 May 91 17:50:00 GMT
Hmm, I fail to understand how a document released to the public via the
Freedom of Information Act can still have questionable validity. I would
think our Govt., being so careful and into keeping reccords of everything,
would photograph all their documents on microtape before releasing them.
How are these documents released? Obviously, someone doesn't show up
knocking at MUFON's door saying, "Hey! Look what I just got from the Govt!"
and a Govt. document can't be easy to forge, let alone have a problem with
validity. I guess what I am asking is, obviously our Govt. knows when a
document said to be released under the FIA turns up, if it is a valid
dicument or not. Would then, the reason its validity is not known to the
public be that the Govt. itself claims it is fake?
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From: David.Villa@f2704.n206.z1.FIDONET.ORG (David Villa)
Subject: Re: GREEN FIREBALLS
Date: 28 May 91 17:57:00 GMT
They sure are. The total eclipse I observed was a long time ago but it
is still a vivid memory so it must have been spectacular.
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From: Paul.Mcavoy@f2704.n206.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Paul Mcavoy)
Subject: Re: (none)
Date: 29 May 91 01:00:00 GMT
Well, I find that also there is an amazing amount of evidence that would
incline people as well as myself to believe that there is some other life
out there in the universe. But one thing is somewhat bothersume to me, that
is why these aliens that people are always claiming to see: Why is it that
they look so much like humans, Two eyese. Bipeds, two arms ect. The only
reason that WE have those characteristics is according to the theory of
Evolution, they were necessary to adapt the our environment, and helped us
to survive. There doesn't seem to be any other reason that On other planets
where other situations might have arisen to have allowed for some other
types of environments that made it necessary for other charactersitics to
arise within their (the alien life forms) own environments. What is to say
for sure that they can see on the light spectrum what we see.. Maybe they
don't, possibly during they day they are sensitive to Infra Red so they
might be somewhat blinded by it. I don't know. Maybe they could see on a
range in the neighborhood on our radio wave spectrum. Imagine the noise!
But then when it is suggested that Alien life forms might have interbred
with humans a long time ago. Then that could have been a cause for the
similarities in form.
For me personally the only thing that would clinch the idea of their
really being alien life forms that were actually visiting our planet, would
be to see one myself. I think that if they were to use other forms of
communication, such as ESP, or the like, something that would be highly
unlikely for the government to simulate, then this also might be another
fact that could prove that this was an alien life form.. I Also tend to
doubt that they would desire to speak to people in their own language.
something more Easily understood would be pictures or feelings, but these
forms of communication would most likely have to be done through ESP forms I
would imagine.
Is there anyone out there reading this that has had an actuall
encounter with alien (or what they thoght to be Alien) life forms? Any
close friends or family members? Let's come out of the closet! That is
waht this conference is here for!
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