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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 416
Sunday, June 2nd 1991
Today's Topics:
Lunar Transient Phenomena, (Conclusion)
Re: So. cal uof bbs
Re: (none)
Re: (none)
green fireballs
Solar Eclipse
moon's lack of volcanism
Re: Here's an Item for Inclusion in Info
Re: Greg's Questions
Bush and Grey buddy...
Miscellaneous
Re: FLIGHT 19
Re: GREEN FIREBALLS
Re: More on Hoagland's Mars
Re: Questions, questions, [...]
Bennington AFB UFO, 1975
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From: ParaNet.Information.Service@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (sm)
Subject: Lunar Transient Phenomena, (Conclusion)
Date: 30 May 91 00:01:00 GMT
<<Continued from previous message>>
--The author directs the lunar transient phenomena section of the
Association of Lunar and Planetary Observers.
SOME POSSIBLE CAUSES OF LTP's
--The following is a condensation of remarks by J. Hedley
Robinson in the December, 1986, Journal of the British
Astronomical Association.
At least 11 possible causes of lunar transient phenomena
(LTP's) have been discussed. As a stimulus to further
discussion, it may be helpful to summarize and comment on these.
1. Tidal. There is a greater stress by the Earth when the
Moon is at perigee than at other parts of its orbit. The tidal
pull may release strains in the crust and permit the release of
trapped gases. The tidal effect of Earth on the Moon is 32.5
times greater than the effect of the Moon on the Earth.
2. Albedo changes due to dust movement. There is
essentially no atmosphere on the Moon to raise dust, so this does
not seem likely as an explanation.
3. Thermal shock. The lunar surface temperature varies
from 125 degrees to -80 degrees Celsius during a two-hour period
at both sunrise and sunset, and most LTP's occur within three
days of local sunrise or sunset. LTP's could be related to the
fact that dissimilar materials expand and contract at differing
rates. Although the maria heat and cool more rapidly than other
parts of the Moon's surface, at a depth of just 10 cm the rock
temperature is constant. Thermal conditions may be regarded as
incidental to LTP's rather than the main cause.
4. Magnetic. Solar plasma bombards the lunar surface, even
when the Moon is in the Earth's magnetic tail, and the movement
of the Moon in and out of the magnetic tail changes the field
strength. But charged particles penetrate the lunar surface to
only one-third the depth reached by the Sun's thermal rays. If
thermal shock is considered to be insufficient to cause LTP
phenomena, then the much weaker electromagnetic effect below the
surface must also be discounted.
5. Ultraviolet radiation from the Sun might cause
fluorescence at visible wavelengths, because there is virtually
no atmosphere to shield the lunar surface. I doubt that the
effect is strong enough to produce visible reactions as bright,
or as large, as the usual LTP's.
6. Solar-wind plasma impacting the surface could produce an
electric discharge, but I doubt that the energy involved is great
enough to cause an effect visible from Earth.
LTP's could, however, be caused by the explosion of
chemically reactive molecules and free radicals in small hollows;
and solar wind plasma may produce such reactive molecules in
rocks. But solar-wind plasma hardly looks like a prime cause.
7. Spectral diffraction from surface grains or
irregularities too small for telescopic resolution may cause
color. The lunar surface presents many angels to the observer,
and these vary with libration in both latitude and longitude as
well as with diurnal libration. With the varying lunar surface
slopes, many simultaneous diffraction angles should be presented.
But if this were the cause of LTP's, the effects should show all
over the disk from time to time, whereas they in fact show local
preferences.
8. Meteor strikes. These have been claimed frequently.
One of the best observed was reported by the Smithsonian
Institution near the Apollo 14 site on May 13, 1972, when a
meteor impact released an energy equal to that of 1,000 tons of
TNT. But meteor strikes cover only a small area on the lunar
surface when compared to the size of LTP's.
9. Moonquakes are often deep seated but very weak, with a
preference for times of perigee or apogee. There seems to be no
obvious connection between the frequency of moonquakes and
sightings of LTP phenomena.
10. False color is a regular feature in larger telescopes
due to terrestrial atmospheric conditions. This can be guarded
against by comparing a suspected LTP event with the appearance of
other formations on the lunar surface at the same time, and is
well recognized by practiced observers.
11. The piezoelectric effect is well known on Earth, for
example when rock strain generates a strong electric field that
ionizes the air above the rock, causing a glow. The field moves
with the strain source. There are Soviet reports that the
magnetic field drops suddenly when underground tension is
released.
Conclusion. The foregoing indicates courses that our
thinking and research might follow. I am of the opinion that
tidal strain or thermal shock causing outgassing and producing a
piezoelectric effect might be the most plausible explanation.
J. Hedley Robinson
Helmington, 21 Inverteign Dr.
Teignmouth, Devon TQ14 9AF
England
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From: David.Villa@f2704.n206.z1.FIDONET.ORG (David Villa)
Subject: Re: So. cal uof bbs
Date: 29 May 91 17:16:00 GMT
Mark, SkyWatch BBS / ParaNet ALPHA-IOTA(sm) is in Santa Barbara, CA.
Where are you located? The number is (805)687-0039.
P.S. (No, I don't see the stupid soap opera being filmed around town, you
guys! :)
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From: Paul.Mcavoy@f2704.n206.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Paul Mcavoy)
Subject: Re: (none)
Date: 29 May 91 21:02:00 GMT
Well there is proof that not all life needs the same criteria to live, take
for example common life forms that are living in your back yard. These are
commonly known as PLANTS! and they don't breathe oxygen, quite the contrary,
they breathe carbon dioxide, which is oxygen based, yes, but is not oxygen,
Humans as well as the majority of land animals would perish is all we had to
breath was carbon dioxide. Also, With Dave's theoryhat life developed at
generally the same rate living on planets that were exploded through the big
bang theory, is somewhat incorrect. Our own sun for instance is a
relativly new sun and our planet is made from the parts of something like
the majority of the explosions of something like 4 suns? I am not sure as
to the exact amount, but I am well aware of the fact that matter was created
through the explosions of suns in supernova's, the extreame heat creates new
matter, and more of the lower base forms of matter such as Hydrogen, and
Helium.
Supposedly the beginning of life on Earth took place with I think it
was amonia breathing life forms or soemthing, so there is absolutely no
reason whatsoever that life elsewhere has to be anything remotely similar to
our lifeforms on this planet, althougha coincidence could be a reality,
although a slim one, about as slim as there being life elsewhere nearby to
our planet. Who knows, these are just questions to ponder, and keep you
from sleeping at night and 'counting those bipedal lambs jumping over a
fence'. HAH!
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From: James.Clark@f2704.n206.z1.FIDONET.ORG (James Clark)
Subject: Re: (none)
Date: 29 May 91 22:18:00 GMT
I seriously doubt we have been visited by plants, Paul. :)
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From: chalmers@violet.berkeley.edu
Subject: green fireballs
Date: 30 May 91 13:46:49 GMT
From: chalmers@violet.berkeley.edu (John H. Chalmers Jr.)
Re Streve Gresser and the Green Fireball: I have no idea what
compounds could be present in the meteor to produce such a show.
Elements such as boron, barium and copper just aren't very common,
cosmically. We can mine them on the earth because geochemical processes
concentrate them.
The initial green color may be an optical effect due to light
scattering in the atmosphere and the fact that our eyes are most
sensitive to green light, but I'm guessing. Another possibility is
that the meteors thermally ionize nitrogen and/or oxygen in the upper
atmosphere and these gases are fluorescing. After all, the aurora
borealis glows green, pink, and white. However, this is a only a guess.
I'm not even sure the events take place at the same altitudes and the
auroras are electrically excited, of course.
The Smithsonian used to run a network of all-sky cameras in the
southwest and recorded many meteors. The spectra should have been
published somewhere and one might be able identify the chemical
species from them. --- John
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From: webb@afglsc.span.nasa.gov
Subject: Solar Eclipse
Date: 30 May 91 15:58:18 GMT
From: webb@afglsc.span.nasa.gov
Several people have wondered about the locations of the July 11 solar total
eclipse. The path of totality is narrow. It will first touch land on the
Big Island of Hawaii just after sunrise, cross the lower part of Baja
California near midday, cross central Mexico, and end somewhere in South
America. It will NOT touch the continental US, where only a partial eclipse
may be seen in the southwest.
Note that one can safely look directly at the eclipsed sun ONLY during
totality, not during any partial phase, even 99%!! That means that NO ONE
in the continental US can safely look directly at the sun. You can see the
partial phase by viewing through appropriately smoked glass or exposed and
developed film, or by viewing the image indirectly through a pinhole camera
or a telescope projected onto a piece of cardborad or paper. Such details
are in articles in Sky and Telescope and Astronomy magazines over the past
year. I am going to see the total eclipse in Baja. It is a spectacular
sight and should be seen at least once in a lifetime!
Dave Webb
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From: UNHH.UNH.EDU!K_MACARTHUR1
Subject: moon's lack of volcanism
Date: 30 May 91 17:15:09 GMT
From: K_MACARTHUR1@UNHH.UNH.EDU
I'm pretty sure that the moon has no molten core. This is due to
the fact that the Apollo and other unmanned probes report very little magnetic
field, unlike the Earth and some other planets/moons. The current and
most accepted reason for planetary magnetic fields is as a result of a molten
core of a conductive metal (iron in our case) that induces magnetic fields as
it rotates and flows around. Barring something like pockets of molten silicon
at the moon's core (even though there is iron there, too and would be melted
in along with it), I sincerely doubt the moon has any volcanic activity at this
point in time, though it may have in the past. Any planetary geophysisists
out there?
Korac MacArthur
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: Here's an Item for Inclusion in Info
Date: 29 May 91 20:30:00 GMT
> Hmm, I fail to understand how a document released to the public via
> the Freedom of Information Act can still have questionable validity. I
> would think our Govt., being so careful and into keeping reccords of
> everything, would photograph all their documents on microtape before
> releasing them. How are these documents released? Obviously, someone
> doesn't show up knocking at MUFON's door saying, "Hey! Look what I just
> got from the Govt!" and a Govt. document can't be easy to forge, let
> alone have a problem with validity. I guess what I am asking is,
> obviously our Govt. knows when a document said to be released under the
> FIA turns up, if it is a valid dicument or not. Would then, the reason
> its validity is not known to the public be that the Govt. itself claims
> it is fake?
>
David, what document are you talking about? If you're talking about the MJ-12
documents, please be advised they were NOT released through the Freedom of
Information Act, they were allegedly obtained from covert sources within the
government. There's a BIG difference.
Jim
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: Greg's Questions
Date: 29 May 91 22:46:00 GMT
> Is there anyone out there reading this that has had an actuall
> encounter with alien (or what they thoght to be Alien) life forms? Any
> close friends or family members? Let's come out of the closet! That is
> waht this conference is here for!
Paul:
I assume that ALPHA-IOTA is receiving the Abductions Conference (ABDUCT). If
so, you are much more likely to get an answer to this last question there.
ABDUCT is the only ParaNet conference in which aliases are allowed, and users
are encouraged to post their alien contact experiences there, where any
ridicule or other vitriolic response is verboten. They find it easier to
"come out of the closet" under those circumstances.
Jim
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From: Steve.Rose@p1.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Rose)
Subject: Bush and Grey buddy...
Date: 28 May 91 18:28:36 GMT
In a message to Steve Rose <24 May 91 13:25> David Villa wrote:
DV> Haha, yes, I saw that picture as well, while standing in line
DV> to purchase my groceries. Quite funny. It's amazing what people
DV> will read these days. It was even more funny that the "Alien" was
DV> obviously just a man in a body stocking, blurred a little bit.
Haha. Yeah, I guess if anyone really *pushed* the issue and challenged the
validity of the photograph...they would hide by saying, "Oh! That is NOT the
actual event taking place...just a photographer's conception!" ;-)
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Miscellaneous
Date: 29 May 91 07:53:07 GMT
> human brain can be stimulated to hallucination with certain
> frequencies in the microwave range.
Just want to mention, in case you missed it, that John Brandenburg
found that microwave energy can cause grasses to lay down flat but
still remain alive.
Interesting........maybe some connection.
jbh
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From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: FLIGHT 19
Date: 29 May 91 16:49:07 GMT
I wasn't sure about the rest of the country but here in the Mid-West they
say the same thing. We are affected by jet stream currents and alberta
clippers and a few others. The funniest one that comes to mind is a guy
running a T-shirt booth at the State Fair here. It was sunny and nice, a few
minutes we had one of those downpours, followed by sunny again rest of the
day. He was from Kansas and said he had never experienced anything that
strange before. I guess they know what's going to happen a few days in
advance, while here it's a guess until it's over. Giant hail storm Monday
about 60 miles North of here. It didn't rain where I live.
Last off topic message to Fla. I stood on the road (Collins Blvd?) and it
was raining on one side, and dry on the other side, Miami Beach.
I have not had time to impliment my "UFO Photos" yet, but came up with a
third method last week. As soon as I can make some, I'll try to send them off
to you, without telling how it was done. You can see how real they look. (now
watch I'll really photograph a UFO and people will say, Oh he wrote that he
was going to fake some!) No way Jose' I won't try to say these are anything
but frauds, and if I ever get a real one, I hope it's not as hokey as my
creations.
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From: Paul.Mcavoy@f2704.n206.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Paul Mcavoy)
Subject: Re: GREEN FIREBALLS
Date: 31 May 91 04:38:00 GMT
I have access to large bike boxes if anyone wants them, but you have to come
and pick them up yourself.. let me know (those around here)
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From: Paul.Mcavoy@f2704.n206.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Paul Mcavoy)
Subject: Re: More on Hoagland's Mars
Date: 31 May 91 04:43:00 GMT
Wow, that is intriguing, any way of getting any more information about that?
picutres, documents etc?
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From: gateh@conncoll.bitnet
Subject: Re: Questions, questions, [...]
Date: 31 May 91 23:32:52 GMT
From: gateh%CONNCOLL.BITNET@YALEVM.YCC.Yale.Edu
> From: lush@ecn.purdue.edu (Gregory B Lush)
>
> I want to understand what it is that makes people want to discuss UFOs.
> Has anyone changed his/her mind about the subject of aliens/UFOs since
> participating in this newsletter?
Not really, although the stuff from Belgium was pretty interesting.
> Why are you reading this newsletter?
I'm interested in all kinds of things, ranging from international
news to orchids & bromeliads to meteorology to computing to
non-rational conceptual frameworks to baseball to astronomy to
floating about in bodies of freshwater suspended by floatation
devices (aka 'bloating'). A lot of intriguing stuff passes through
this discussion group.
> Some people have said that they 'saw something' and want to know what it
> was. Even the strongest skeptics MUST believe that there is the
> possibility of aliens or else they wouldn't waste their time and the
> other readers' time as well. Am I correct?
Although this may sound pretty darn silly, I try not to _believe_ in
anything. Either I know it or I don't; if I know it, I know it, if
I don't, I try not to form any opinions, but just keep looking. I
think of a belief as a commitment to something that is not known,
and IMHO this is not necessary and just not a good idea in general.
It's not as if I believe or know that there are no aliens, and the
task is to convince me that there are. Even if no one had ever seen
a UFO, if the thought had never occurred that there might be other
beings from other planets, that wouldn't lead me to say there
*aren't* any. It would be just another of an truly infinite number
of things I don't know about one way or the other.
> I'm asking these questions because I don't see any way to 'scientifically'
> PROVE the existence of aliens, short of a personal ride out of the galaxy.
While the 'scientific method' can be a darn useful tool, I'm not
about to let it get in the way of my 'knowing' about something that
might not fit the rules. In the event that I am abducted and
transported through time and space in such a way as to violate
everything I know rationally, and it turns out that I am not an
individual human being but really some small part of a much larger
entity, I won't really care if I can prove it scientifically, since
I don't need to understand it to know it happened. On the other
hand, I can't know something without some type of experience of it,
or some evidence of it. If I am abducted, I have evidence, and I
then decided whether or not I'm hallucinating or dreaming or really
being abducted, and then I decide whether or not I 'know' that there
are alien beings. If someone else presents evidence of such an
abduction, say a photo, it gets the same scrutiny that the evidence
from my own senses gets. Everyone is free to interpret their
experiences any way they choose; sooner or later the world catches
up with everyone and then you find out how good your analyses
were/are.
> I believe/know aliens are here. That's my opinion/feeling. It seems to
> 'fit the data' better than the idea that there are none here. The problem
> is sorting out which data points are valid and which are not. I guess I
> believe Billy Meier's contacts are valid, so that is a start for me.
My question would be, do you *believe* or do you *know*? And why
would you choose to make what appears to be a relatively final
decision as to whether or not there are aliens based on
opinion/feeling? Is there a need to make that decision? Is it
appropriate to make any final decision either way when the evidence
is still so scattered and inconclusive, and the integrity of many of
the individuals reporting such evidence is questionable? From what
I can tell I wouldn't put much weight behind the Meier evidence, but
at the same time the interview with Vallee leads me to think that
while he on the one hand appears fairly cautious and careful, on the
other hand may have some hidden agendas and may be inclined to make
some statements which are inappropriate in their own right.
Well, I think that's enough babble for one day. Now off to the lake
to soak my head ;-).
Cheers! - Gregg
Gregg TeHennepe | Academic Computing Services | This is the life
gateh@conncoll.bitnet | Connecticut College, New London, CT | you have -V. Reid
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From: rutgers!phri!marob!upaya!tbetz
Subject: Bennington AFB UFO, 1975
Date: 1 Jun 91 03:10:37 GMT
From: Tom Betz <upaya!tbetz>
A couple years ago on the old Paranet Alpha I read a text file on the
subject of a UFO, if I recall correctly, at Bennington AFB in
Texas.
In that report, written by a former airman, was something to the
effect that after the UFO hovered over the airfield, the
defensive missile emplacements along the runways were discovered
to have been disabled by forces unknown.
A friend visiting one of my housemates told me last night that in
1975, he happened upon a crowd of witnesses to a UFO at a service
station near Bennington, just after it had left, and he recounted
the sheer terror of their reactions to it. He had not heard any
more about the story, as the Air Force had, of course, denied
that anything happened.
I would be greatly indebted to anyone who could find that file
and either post it to the list or email it to me at the address
below, so I can share it with this fellow.
Thanks.
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