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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 410 

Wednesday, May 29th 1991

Today's Topics:

Miscellaneous
Re: WALTER.SAL
Re: The Moon
Re: James Randi vs. Uri Geller
Dr. Robert Nathan
Re: GREEN FIREBALLS
Re: GREEN FIREBALLS
Here's an Item for Inclusion in Info-Paranet Newsletters . . .
(none)
Bicyclists and Bush lost in a fog
Miscellaneous
Re: GREEN FIREBALLS
Dr. Nathan
(none)
Meier, pictures and plagiarism...and crop circles (that's all)
Letter

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From: xx044@cwns4.INS.CWRU.Edu
Subject: Miscellaneous
Date: 26 May 91 03:35:45 GMT

From: xx044@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (UFOlogy SIG)


The world of UFOlogy seems to have grown into the same cate-
gory as the Pentagon and the Department of Health and Human
Services (i.e., the Pentagon wants peace so it makes more
bombs and artillery and the Department of Health and Human
Services hires more people so that they can attempt to give
more people money, but just end up hiring more people). The
people in the field promote the field not in an attempt to find
out an answer, just to add to the bizarre, the areas that
can't be checked, and to expouse theories of secrecy by the
government. All points that could be true, but which cannot
be checked.

I've opened up many new publications only to find great
articles of both scientific and amateur written articles written
on the subject of UFOlogy, only to find in the back of the
publications ways in which you can find out your secret lottery
number schedule, how to tune in the aliens so when they fly
over your house you can awaken, and which crystal to wear depen-
ding on the mood of the day or the mood that you want to be
in. All this limits the credibility to what those in
UFOlogy truly want to accomplish, and that is to find
out the truth in a nuts and bolts fashion without having
those with bizarre claims and remedies going along for the
ride in this gullible market. And indeed, the market is full
of it.

If you go to a book store in an attempt to find a book on UFOs,
you'll proabably end up in the cult section of the store looking
at not only books about UFOs, but also about spirits of old
talking to today's people, the collective works of Nostradamus,
and some person wearing magenta and looking like Judy Tenuta
wearing an accordian chanting some ancesteral chime that will
enlighten the world on a new course.

The best books on the subject of UFOs seem to be those that just
bring forth data that was acquired, but not added to. I
cite works in which historical events have been brought for-
ward without comment. I tend to disregard those in which the
author has brought upon themselves a coveted degree in
hypnosis or a feeling that they know more than anyone else.
Those that deal with the subject as clearly a reporter without
trying to get into a contest of whits with those with scientific
credentials seem to hold more water and are less embarrasing
in the end, especially when we are faced with many new books
and claims that are going to quite probably blow up in the
face of those who expouse them.

Whenever I post sometthing on the Cleveland Free-Net, I tend to
post it from the author and make no comment in support of it.
I do sometimes make a remark about something that is quite
remarkable (i.e., Russian UFOnauts with small heads and
three eyes or brain wave masturbation techniques intened
on bringing your closer to thee).

People in fringe groups or even with fringe beliefs tend to
gravitate towards the UFOlogist community. Don't let those who
are fringe elements harm us. Don't let us harm ourselves
by adhering or even listening to or adoping their views. Let us
stay a nuts and bolts group who only report what people say,
investigate what we can, and keep our remarks only to the
facts concerning the case without offering our sometimes
embarrassing theories.




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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: WALTER.SAL
Date: 21 May 91 21:24:00 GMT


> You just set back Ufology 20 years!

I did? Oops. Oh, well, back to the drawing board, gang.

Jim

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From: Linda.Bird@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: The Moon
Date: 22 May 91 06:02:00 GMT

g#Mm
Hi Mike,
I'm not sure about active volcanoes on the moon, but I do know
scientists left earthquake detectors up there and occasionally
earthquakes are registered.
However, where there's smoke, there's fire, so there could be
active volcanoes, although I dunno....
I'll try to check.
Linda



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From: Jim.Speiser@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: James Randi vs. Uri Geller
Date: 22 May 91 06:49:00 GMT

I had heard this, but was told to keep it to myself until it was official.
Guess its official. Its a sorry state of affairs.

Jim

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From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff)
Subject: Dr. Robert Nathan
Date: 23 May 91 03:30:00 GMT

On Wednesday, May 29, I shall be speaking with Dr. Robert Nathan
at the California Institute of Technology's Jet Propulsion
Laboratory re: Gulf Breeze photos.

As most of you know, Dr. Nathan's view of Ed Walter's films
differs significantly from Dr. Bruce Maccabee's opinion.
I find it quite puzzling that these two respectable scientists
should have such opposing convictions.

If any of you have any questions or comments for Dr. Nathan, please
reply to this message, and I shall post his response at the end of
next week.

Sheldon
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From: Steve.Gresser@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Gresser)
Subject: Re: GREEN FIREBALLS
Date: 22 May 91 22:43:00 GMT

I hope to get out to some of the higher (darker) elevations in August to see
some of the more spectacular showers. Also, Arizona is gonna get a 70%
eclipse in July. Can't wait for that either.

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From: Linda.Bird@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: GREEN FIREBALLS
Date: 23 May 91 04:57:00 GMT

Steve:
That eclipse should be awesome for us Zonies (that's AriZonies for
you uninitiated folks). Isn't it occurring on the 17 of July? Do you
have an approx. time?
Thanks,

Linda
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From: CCB104@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
Subject: Here's an Item for Inclusion in Info-Paranet Newsletters . . .
Date: 27 May 91 01:35:27 GMT

From: CCB104@PSUVM.PSU.EDU

Mr. T. Scott Crain, Jr., published author and MUFON State Director for
Pennsylvania, has asked me to submit this note for Info-Paranet Newsletter
readers concerning his new book that was published by MUFON. (I understand
that this is also the *first* book proper to be published by MUFON.) This
article is *slightly* edited (punctuation, spelling, etc.) for increased
readability, but otherwise it is a faithful rendering of the materials with
which I was provided for transmission.

'This article originally appeared in the April 1991 issue of the *MUFON
UFO Journal*, No. 276, (c) Copyright 1991 by the Mutual UFO Network, 103
Oldtowne Rd., Seguin, Texas 78155-4099.'

It appears here by permission of MUFON for circulation in Info-Paranet
Newsletters. (The author is T. Scott Crain, Jr.)

-------------<<<Article begins here>>>-------------

The Book on MJ-12

Nothing in the past few years has caused more controversy in the UFO
field than the release of the Operation Majestic-12 Briefing Document in
1987. The document, dated September 18, 1952, states that on September
24, 1947, President Harry S Truman established a secret panel of twelve
distinguished scientists, military [officials], and intelligence
officials to oversee and study crashed UFOs and their occupants.
Majestic's first case [had] occurred two months earlier, when the team
allegedly recovered a crashed disc on July 7 near Roswell, New Mexico.
Although the Roswell crash is well-documented in UFO literature, is what
is described in the MJ-12 document itself an accurate portrayal of the
recovery?

For four years UFO researchers have been debating whether the MJ-12
document is authentic and whether or not the content of the document
represents reality.

Shortly after the MJ-12 document was released, Manitoba UFO
researcher Grant Cameron and I began looking for former scientists who
may have had knowledge of the MJ-12 committee. We worked under the
assumption that the document was accurate in its description of a
special group to handle UFO recoveries for the government. If MJ-12 was
real, someone working in the upper levels of the government would surely
remember a committee by that name that was active in the late 1940s and
early 1950s.

Confirming MJ-12 has been difficult. All the original, designated
MJ-12 members are dead. Although various alleged government documents
have been uncovered alluding to the MJ-12 committee, the U.S. Government
has not publicly acknowledged that these documents or, for that matter,
the MJ-12 documents, are genuine.

An interesting development occurred in November 1983, when UFO
researcher William Steinman received a letter back from American
physicist Dr. Robert I. Sarbacher regarding UFO recoveries. In the early
1950s, Sarbacher was working as a consultant for the military's Research
and Development Board, the same Board that allegedly controlled
Operation Majestic-12, according to the MJ-12 documents. In his letter
to Steinman, Sarbacher reported that secret meetings about UFO
recoveries were held but [that] he did not personally attend them.
Gordon Creighton wrote in the October 1985 issue of the *Flying Saucer
Review*, published in England, that Dr. Sarbacher stated [that] these
meetings were held at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton, Ohio.
Apparently those involved in the recoveries were to report their
findings to scientists connected with the Research & Development Board.

Sarbacher wrote [to] Steinman that he did talk to some of the people at
the office about what was learned. According to Sarbacher, U.S.
laboratories analyzed UFO hardware from the crashes and ... the pilots
looked like certain insects observed on earth.

During a telephone interview with UFO researcher Stanton Friedman,
Sarbacher was asked if he could recall anyone who did attend the
meetings. Sarbacher gave enough clues to Friedman about a scientist he
remembered being there that when Steinman cross-checked the information,
the description fit the profile for Dr. Eric A. Walker, the former
President of Penn State University. Steinman said [that] he called
Sarbacher to confirm his suspicions and [that] Sarbacher allegedly
confirmed that Dr. Eric Walker, who was then Executive Secretary of the
Research & Development Board, attended all the UFO meetings.

When Cameron and I discovered [that] Dr. Walker might be involved, we set
out to document what he may have learned from those meetings and what the
Canadian and American governments were doing with this new-found
knowledge.

Although our investigation started in 1987, William Steinman had been
familiar with Walker's potential involvement since 1984. After several
... [unproductive] attempts to correspond with Walker by mail, Steinman
phoned him on August 30, 1987. During the conversation, Steinman said
that Walker indicated [that] he had known about MJ-12 since 1947 and
that Steinman '... was delving into an area that you can do absolutely
nothing about,' and to '... drop it."

Cameron and I pursued the Walker connection for a book we were working
on entitled *UFOs, MJ-12, and the Government* [subtitle: *A Report on
Government Involvement in UFO Crash Retrievals*] up until 1991. Walker
was contacted by various UFO researchers from 1987-1990, and we were
privy to the notes of these conversations in which Walker made some very
candid remarks about MJ-12 and UFO crashes. In a conversation in 1990,
Walker described MJ-12 as a '... handful of elite' and [that] he would
know if you were invited into the group.

Besides the in-depth reporting on Walker, we investigated several other
scientists who may have been involved, including Dr. Luis W. Alvarez, a
Nobel Prize winner, who allegedly assisted in the recovery of a saucer in
Mexico. We corresponded frequently with news commentator George Knapp of
KLAS-TV in Las Vegas, Nevada, to get the story behind physicist Robert
Lazar, who claims the government has at least nine flying saucers
they're test flying and taking apart out at Nellis Air Force Base, in
Nevada. We looked at the experiences noted UFO researchers have had in
dealing with the government, including those of Bill Moore, Linda Howe,
Wilbert Smith, Lee Graham and Donald Keyhoe. We also looked at putative
government agents who appear to be involved, including Richard Doty and
several who go by the names 'Falcon' and "
Condor."

We examined several UFO crashes that the government appears to have been
involved in, including those in Roswell, New Mexico; Kecksburg,
Pennsylvania; and the Kalahari Desert in South Africa. MUFON's State
Director Stan Gordon opened up his files to us on the 1965 Kecksburg UFO
crash. New evidence released in December 1990 indicated that the
acorn-shaped object [recovered] was eventually moved to Wright-Patterson
Air Force Base. We corresponded with Michael Hesemann in Germany and
Henry Azadehdel in England to uncover the facts behind the alleged 1989
incident over South Africa, where a UFO was supposedly shot down by a
South African Air Force pilot.

Finally, we explored the possibility that perhaps what might have been
learned from UFO crashes in the late 1940s/early 1950s may have been
instrumental in helping the U.S. Government develop certain technologies
that are now being used on the advanced aircraft being secretly test
flown in the 'Dreamland' area of Nellis Air Force Base. The evidence we
have gathered seems to indicate [that] the government developed teams to
retrieve unknown aerial objects, that they analyzed the recovered UFO
hardware, and [that] they are now attempting to duplicate that technology
on today's aircraft.

Our book presents an interesting mix of various government documents,
letters, telephone notes, and photographs detailing how the government is
misleading the public about the true nature of UFOs.

* Grant Cameron and Scott Crain's new book *UFOs, MJ-12, and the
* Government---A Report on Government Involvement in UFO Crash
* Retrievals* is being published by the Mutual UFO Network and will be
* available May 1, 1991. The 218-page, 8.5x11 paperback book is heavily
* illustrated with documents, correspondence and photographs. The price
* for this revealing book is $18.45 plus $1.50 for postage and handling,
* totaling $19.95. Orders are now being taken by MUFON in Seguin, TX.
* [ADDR: Mutual UFO Network, 103 Oldtowne Rd., Seguin, TX 78155-4099 USA]
* Make checks or money orders payable to MUFON in the U.S.A. All foreign
* purchases must be by International Postal Money Order, checks made
* payable to a U.S. Bank with electronic route coding across the bottom
* of the check, or by cash in U.S. dollars.

-------------<<<Article ends here>>>-------------




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From: lush@ecn.purdue.edu
Subject: (none)
Date: 27 May 91 02:12:49 GMT

From: lush@ecn.purdue.edu (Gregory B Lush)


Subject: Bicyclists and Bush lost in a fog

? From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)
? Date: 15 May 91 18:05:42 GMT
?
? Does the article say when this happened (the actual date of the
? occurance?) to the ten missing people?

Pete,

I typed in the story completely so there is no mention of date
of occurrence. It turns out that the date I gave was correct.
The reason I was confused was that the date (May 14, 1991) of the
issue of the tabloid was the same date of the day I submitted it.
I forgot that I always receive Time and Newsweek the week before the
actual official date of issue. I thought too much and confused myself!

? I wonder if someone in France has the original and any follow-up
? report on the 10 young riders. Maybe they rode over a cliff, in
? which case it's 5 + 10 in recent months? Just wondering if there
? are any more specifics. Interesting story.

Note that the police said they 'searched every square inch of
ground for miles around and there's no indication any of the
kids has ever been there.' The cliff idea doesn't work there.

What do you mean by '5 + 10 in recent months.'

Finally, that same Canadian tabloid has just run a story about
an alien meeting with George Bush at Camp David. There's a
picture (so it must be true?). If anyone would like a copy of
that story, I would be willing to make a copy and send it.
Just posting would prevent you from seeing the picture of
the alien and Bush. (I always thought Bush was taller.)

Greg (lush@ecn.purdue.edu)





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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Miscellaneous
Date: 26 May 91 20:30:00 GMT


> From: xx044@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (UFOlogy SIG)
>
>
> I've opened up many new publications only to find great
> articles of both scientific and amateur written articles written
> on the subject of UFOlogy, only to find in the back of the
> publications ways in which you can find out your secret lottery
> number schedule, how to tune in the aliens so when they fly
> over your house you can awaken, and which crystal to wear depen-
> ding on the mood of the day or the mood that you want to be
> in. All this limits the credibility to what those in
> UFOlogy truly want to accomplish, and that is to find
> out the truth in a nuts and bolts fashion without having
> those with bizarre claims and remedies going along for the
> ride in this gullible market. And indeed, the market is full
> of it.

I agree that there is a lot of this that abounds in the publications, but does
this necessarily denegrate the actual content of some of the writing? On the
other hand, I feel that this only indicates the viewpoint of most people who
read these publications, and that is that they are generally in that camp.

> If you go to a book store in an attempt to find a book on UFOs,
> you'll proabably end up in the cult section of the store looking
> at not only books about UFOs, but also about spirits of old
> talking to today's people, the collective works of Nostradamus,
> and some person wearing magenta and looking like Judy Tenuta
> wearing an accordian chanting some ancesteral chime that will
> enlighten the world on a new course.

This is the fault of the publishers and the authors writing the books. I have
seen numerous books published by some good authors with the classification
listed as "
New Age" or "Occult."

> People in fringe groups or even with fringe beliefs tend to
> gravitate towards the UFOlogist community. Don't let those who
> are fringe elements harm us. Don't let us harm ourselves
> by adhering or even listening to or adoping their views. Let us
> stay a nuts and bolts group who only report what people say,
> investigate what we can, and keep our remarks only to the
> facts concerning the case without offering our sometimes
> embarrassing theories.

Very interesting point. But, let us not forget that we are dealing with a
phenomeona that has many strange elements to it. We should not be as
concerned with the jacket covers and the trappings as we are with the hard
data that they contain. Even the most bizarre claims may have important data
(signals) in them that, if applied and worked with properly, could yield some
very interesting conclusions. On the same note, I feel it is important to
study, not by active participation, but by observation and testing. Even
those who feel strongly about one viewpoint or another can be accused of not
looking at the whole picture. Instead, they tend to accept given ideas and
notions without testing the data. In addition, I feel it is very important to
re-evaluate our conceptions about those that we tend to label as "
kooks" since
there could be very important data involved that would indicate more clearly
what it is that we may be dealing with. We do know that even among the more
credible reports, there is that element which appears to be psychic. Before
jumping to conclusions, we should attempt to model this process and apply
scientific observation to it to find out what the physiological elements are
at work here. There is some very good work already done that clearly shows
the human brain can be stimulated to hallucination with certain frequencies in
the microwave range. I believe that study will yield this physical property,
and may even bring us closer to the reason for implants, if they truly exist.

Mike

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From: Steve.Gresser@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Gresser)
Subject: Re: GREEN FIREBALLS
Date: 26 May 91 20:12:00 GMT

->Does anyone know if this eclipse will be able to be seen
->elsewhere besides in Arizona? I live in Santa Barbara Ca.
->and to put it frankly, would really like to see this
->eclipse.

Paul,
Technically, the eclipse will not be "
visible" in Arizona. We'll
get about a 70% eclipse on 11 July 1991. However, it will only be visible
with special tools, like a box with a hole in it (point the hole at the sun,
look at the opposite end of the box - NEVER NEVER NEVER look into the sun).
So, check your local papers, they should tell you about what time to look
for the eclipse, and - with some special tools - you should be able to see
it, too!


Steve

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From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff)
Subject: Dr. Nathan
Date: 27 May 91 01:31:00 GMT

Mike, In which book does Ed
make the statement that Dr. Nathan
supports the authenticity of the Gulf Breeze photos? I've never
seen that in print! I'll ask him anyway.
Sheldon
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From: lush@ecn.purdue.edu
Subject: (none)
Date: 27 May 91 05:34:54 GMT

From: lush@ecn.purdue.edu (Gregory B Lush)


Subject: Meier, pictures and plagiarism...and crop circles (that's all)

There was a comment about one picture in the 'Contact from the Pleiades'
book being a very poor fake. Doesn't that seem out of place with all
the other excellent pictures? Can we discard ALL if ONE appears to be
faked? Wendelle Stevens said Meier's photos were the best he had ever
seen--in the book 'Light Years' by Gary Kinder. (Oh, I see, but Stevens
molests children!) It seems that the ones who bring forth the most valid
and objective data are the ones who have the most trouble and end up in
jail or 'broken' people. Meanwhile, Bill Cooper just keeps lecturing and
scaring the sh*t out of people and making piles of money.

I understand that frequently authors put in non-truths to catch those
who would copy. This would be true for any kind of investigative book.
One cannot be accused of plagiarism if one copies
truth because there is no way to prove that the second 'author'
didn't research the same material. The writers of some trivia book
sued the creators of Trivial Pursuit under such conditions. I believe
also, that the publishers at America West, who distribute Hatonn's
material, say they have a letter from the originator of the
'Original Hostage Krlll' story saying that it was just such a
plant--I don't know if a part of the story or the whole thing was a plant.

Billy Meier did not write the books 'Contact from the Pleiades I and II';
they were written by the Elders, were they not? Could it be that they
inserted a fake picture so that if someone copied that picture, it would
be proof of plagiarism? I don't know, just a thought.
It seems as though Billy Meier's pictures, for the most part,
are excellent and have stood up to (a lot of) scrutiny.

Someone just submitted a post talking about 'mircowaved' crop circles,
and there was another's 'weather' explanation earlier. Do these
explanations account for the fact that the crop circles around Meier's
home resume growing in the HORIZONTAL position? The 'Meier' grass didn't
DIE either, so the stalks were not broken. How does the 'NUKED' grass
grow after exposure? Does it survive? What about the grass exposed to
these unique winds in the laboratory?

Greg (lush@ecn.purdue.edu)





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From: Don.Ecker@f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker)
Subject: Letter
Date: 24 May 91 05:42:00 GMT

Mike Keithly said:

> I just recieved this in the mail today, from who i
> dont know but here it is in it's entirety.
>
Well, there is your first problem, if they won't or don't
sign their name, warning flags should go up.

> What is going on? Something very sinister is going
> on.

Something sinister always goes on, so which sinister are
you speaking of?
> Polls reveal that over 90% of the
americans
> people believe in UFO's and 95% of these people
> believe the government is keeping this knowledge from >
the public.

OK, but that is not news.

> There is overwhelming evidence in the past several
> years from "
Whistle Blowers" retired military officers
> who have finally said, "
Enough is enough! It's time
> the government told the people the truth!" These
> officers, such as Navy Intelligence officer, William
> Cooper, Major John Lear (whose father founded the Lear
> Jet Corp.) and Air Force officer William English, to
> name but a few, have all discovered the truth, and at
> the risk of their very lives,

Keithly, if you believe that, PLEASE, call me, I got some
prime bottom land for sale!

First, Milton "
Bilkum" Cooper was NEVER a Navy Intelligence
Officer. He was, when he claims he worked with Navy
Intelligence, an E-5, or if it were an Army rank for
example, a JUNIOR Sgt. John Lear NEVER served in any
military service, although he is a civilian airline
Captain. Bill English was a Spec. Four, or E-4 to you, in
the Army, and carried an MOS in line repair. I do not know
how this crap continues to survive, but I guess when people
just vomit this crap back up without doing any checking, I
just answered my own question.

And considering what you don't know, I will now stop, and
let you do some READING before we proceed any further.

Don Ecker

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