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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 397
Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 397
Friday, May 3rd 1991
Today's Topics:
(none)
Re: Pleidians need better calculators!
Re: Paranet Newsletter 395
(none)
Re: Ivan Sanderson
Mars, etc.
Alien alloys
Re: Csicop members
'UFO Abductions' show on CBS
Re: INCIDENT-INDIAN POINT
Re: Csicop members
Bill Cooper
New Affiliate
Re: Incident-indian Point
Re: Ivan Sanderson
Tibetan Music
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From: ncar!ecn.purdue.edu!lush
Subject: (none)
Date: 29 Apr 91 23:37:06 GMT
From: lush@ecn.purdue.edu (Gregory B Lush)
?
? Can you give me any information as to where I can
? obtain a copy of the Phoenix Journals?
?
? Thanks.
?
? Bryce Eckstein - via FidoNet node 1:104/422
The Phoenix Journals are available from
America West Publishers, Inc.
P.O. Box 986
Tehachapi, CA 93581
Phone: 1-800-729-4131
Greg (lush@ecn.purdue.edu)
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From: ncar!neptune.convex.com!swarren
Subject: Re: Pleidians need better calculators!
Date: 30 Apr 91 01:40:23 GMT
From: swarren@neptune.convex.com (Steve Warren)
+From: ncar!anubis.network.com!logajan
+Subject: Pleidians need better calculators!
+Date: 28 Apr 91 07:28:27 GMT
+
+Ongoing inflation is a result, not of the fractional reserve
+system, per se, since it was a one time impulse which converged,
+as my Basic program shows, to a certain money supply, given an
+initial money supply, but rather the result of government
+manipulations which increase the reserves -- i.e. the so called
+(and correctly called) 'printing presses.'
The federal government does not print any money. They have to buy
their money at face value from the federal reserve. If they do not have
enough tax revenues to buy the reserve notes they need to run the government,
then they have to issue debt notes to the public in order to get the cash.
+The primary beneficiary of inflation is the government itself,
+rather than the bankers. I'm not saying that bankers don't have
+favored status in the eyes of the government, but there is no way
+they are making a 20:1 profit on deposits (because there is no
+mechanism, as I have shown, to allow them to do so.)
This is the hilarious misconception that people have. If the federal
government could just print money, do you think we would have the level of
national dept that we do? Congress could just order the printers to pull a
few all-nighters, and in short order all the debts would be payed off. ;^)
For that matter, why would they have ever gotten into debt in the first place,
right?
+The benefit the government gets from inflation is that it is
+simply printing up money. The fact that it smuggles it out
+through the fractional reserve banking system is almost
+irrelevant.
The Federal government cannot add a single new dollar bill into circulation.
Only the Federal Reserve Board, a private corporation that answers directly to
no government agency, has the authority to print new money. And they do it at
their own discretion. The government issues new bonds to buy any new money
that is printed, but the combined pleading of the President and all of
Congress will not get new money printed, if the Reserve is not in the mood to
generate new money. (When I say 'new money' I am talking about excess money,
above and beyond what already existed in the money supply, not the money that
is printed to replace worn out bills).
It would be difficult to find a sweeter scam than the one that the owners of
the Federal Reserve are benefiting from today. They are putting the wealth of
America in their back pockets, and they come out looking like our great
benefactors, because they are 'regulating' our money supply for us and keeping
our economy nice and stable. Gee, thanks, guys.
You are right, though, this doesn't have anything to do with aliens. ;^)
_.
--Steve ._||__ DISCLAIMER: All opinions are my own.
Warren v\ *| ----------------------------------------------
V {uunet,sun}!convex!swarren; swarren@convex.com
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From: yokatta@oxy.edu
Subject: Re: Paranet Newsletter 395
Date: 30 Apr 91 20:21:29 GMT
From: yokatta@oxy.edu (Scott Littleton)
+I think your postscript may make the key point in my argument: Have
+you read any of Vallee's books? You might be particularly
+interested in 'Passport to Magonia' and "Dimensions".
Dear Clark,
Even though I'm not quite sure about your argument, I'm very glad to hear
that you find my ideas interesting. Yes, I have indeed read Vallee's books
(am in the middle of CONFRONTATIONS at the moment) and have a great deal of
respect for his ideas, although I still find the ETH the most efficient
explanation, at least from the standpoint of Occam's Razor--that is, the
Principle of Parsimony. The probability that other worlds similar to our own
orbit relatively nearby stars is very high indeed, while the presence of
alternate universes, though certainly within the purview of contemporary
physics (at least as I understand it), is much more problematic. I suggest
that, unless someone comes up with proof positive that the creatures in
question come from another dimension, or whatever, we had best operate on the
assumption that our 'visitors' come from the same universe we inhabit, even
though they've obviously long since figured out how to violate (or bypass)
'Einstein's speed limit' (i.e., the speed of light) and do other "tricks" that
sometimes make them APPEAR to be insubstantial.
However, I emphatically agree with Vallee's linkage of the ancient images
of the 'little people' and most contemporary perceptions of our so-called
'visitors.' His insight here was remarkable. Indeed, the medieval accounts
of visits to 'fairyland' (see Katherine Briggs, et al.) closely parallel
contactee/abductee accounts of alien bases. That such close-in outposts were
finally abandoned a few centuries ago in favor of heavily concealed,
subterranean (or sub-Antarctic?) complexes as we humans began to evolve a more
secular, technologically sophisticated culture would make good sense.
Let me add that, without meaning to sound like von Daniken, et al., the
available evidence (mostly mythological) leads me to suspect that the first
batch of alien explorers probably arrived here just before the end of the
Pleistocene, and that they have been systematically observing us ever since.
That one or more different--and perhaps less altruistically
motivated--would-be extraterrestrial 'Conquistadores' turned up several
millennia later also seems probable, as does the hypothesis that they fought
and lost (or at least failed to win decisively) what amounted to a 'colonial
war' with the first-comers for control of the planet. As I said, the evidence
here is almost exclusively mythological (e.g., the Greek Titanomachyia, the
Old Norse accounts of the war between the Aesir and the Vanir, the Biblical
'Rage in Heaven,' the conflict between Marduk and Tiamat in Babylonian
mythology, the several divine invasions of Ireland, as described in the LEBOR
GABALA, Seth versus Horus in ancient Egyptian mythology, the Aztec and Inca
origin myths, etc., etc.), but it's certainly persuasive. Some sort of mutual
accomodation seems to have been reached between the several colonial 'powers,'
however, as at least some of the losers (i.e., those that don't resemble the
'Greys') still seem to be involved with us.
But I've taken up far too much space here. Sometime in the future I'll
comment on another widespread assumption: that genus Homo (or at least H.
sapiens sapiens) was somehow 'seeded' by our extraterrestrial colonial
masters. It makes no sense whatsoever in light of what we currently know
about this most crucial phase in hominid evolution. Again, Occam's Razor. . .
I look forward to further exchanges.
Cheers,
Scott
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From: ames!scubed!ncr-sd!ncrwic!donald.WichitaKS.NCR.COM!jsurine
Subject: (none)
Date: 30 Apr 91 22:56:20 GMT
From: donald.WichitaKS.NCR.COM!jsurine
Well, I think all this ranting about scientific method and
who's debunking who isn't helping answer very many questions
about the ufo phenomina. What we need is a helpful guide
for the average person so they can be the best at providing
useful information so we can all answer the questions at hand.
Here's my start at some helpful questions that could be useful
if answered.
You happen to see a UFO and you have your camera with, you
even remeber to take the lense cap off. The next day when
you get the pictures back from the developer they are all
blurry. What should you do for the following night so you get
better pictures?
You happen upon a recently crashed UFO what should you do?
You happen upon a not so recently crashed UFO what should you do?
You meet someone who has seen a UFO how do you get a reliable
account from them?
You are abducted by a UFO and are about to be made to forget
everything how do you insure you can remeber?
How do you keep a low profile with respect to govt disinformation
and UFO harrasment types?
You have a piece of a UFO how should you have it studied?
You find an alien critter cutting up one of your cattle, you happen
to have your trusty rifle handy, what should you do?
You have a dead alien critter what should you do?
You happen to have access to govt UFO info (documents, samples, actual craft)
how do you release this info?
You're an archeoligist (sp?) who is the first to discover that the ancient
Chinese had portable crystal powered walkmans, what should you do?
Well, I got the ball rolling, let's hope this is a more interesting thread
than some of the stuff I've been seeing.
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From: Jim.Greenen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Greenen)
Subject: Re: Ivan Sanderson
Date: 24 Apr 91 21:23:00 GMT
* Replying to a message originally to Clark Matthews
LB> Clark,
LB> I remember reading the one about the farmer. His
LB> voice, crying for help, was heard for some time from the
LB> spot where he disappeared. Kinda gives ya the willies...
LB> Linda
Linda, wasn't that in the book by Morris K. Jessup "Case of the
UFO". I also remember reading that also but not sure where.
88's ---Jim---
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From: ncar!apple.com!well!ddrasin
Subject: Mars, etc.
Date: 1 May 91 07:36:46 GMT
From: well!ddrasin@apple.com (Dan Drasin)
+From: Linda.Bird@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
+ ' ... The title is NASA RECONSIDERS FINDINGS: Martian Pyramids and
+ Humanoid Face May Hold Clues to Our Earthbound Origins. I'll also
+ include a couple of xerox copies of the Face & pyramids. Thanks for
+ your interest!'
Linda, what's the context? Is this something you've written? Something
in the current press somewhere? I'm currently collaborating with Dr.
Mark Carlotto on the next book about the Martian anomalies and am
certainly interested in hearing about anything in print related to the
subject. Thanks.
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Note to all: By the way, I'll be attending the First World UFO
Congress, at the Hilton in Tucson, between May 3 and 7. I realize that
the organizer, Wendelle Stevens, is not exactly worshipped in the
particular ufological subculture represented by Paranet, but frankly
I'm surprised that an event of this magnitude has received virtually
no notice here -- not even a derisive putdown! Interestingly, most of
the speakers are from overseas, and it looks like a chock-full five-
day schedule reflecting a wide range of information, contact
experiences, etc.
There will also be a large UFO-related expo (UFO Expo West) in LA the
following weekend. Sounds like a bit of a circus, but speakers will
include Edith Fiore, William Bramley, Al Bielek, Budd Hopkins, Linda
Howe, Bruce Maccabee, Stanton Friedman, Vicki Cooper, Don Ecker, Bill
Hamilton and others. It will take place at the Hyatt Hotel at the LA
Intl. Airport, May 11 and 12.
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Dan Drasin
ddrasin@well.sf.ca.us%Apple.Com
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From: stl-06sima.army.mil!wmartin
Subject: Alien alloys
Date: 1 May 91 12:11:18 GMT
From: Will Martin <wmartin@stl-06sima.army.mil>
Some of the recent discussion mentioned the possibility of an artifact
being examined by scienists and declared to be definitely not of Terran
origin, and that this would meet Klass' definition of 'proof' of alien
visitation. This sort of concept is pretty common in SF and in UFO-
related discussions -- alloys or materials 'not of this earth'. What
I'm wondering is if modern technology has reached a point where it may
be next to impossible to examine some exotic material and truly state
that it is beyond human capability to produce it.
After all, we can produce some pretty wild stuff nowadays. It may not be
economic to produce it in quantity or use it for mundane applications,
but given a modern materials lab and a big budget, are there things
that are theoretically possible that we still cannot make? What would be
a good example of a substance which, if I had a chunk of it, would be
proof of alien contact? (Kryptonite doesn't count! :-)
I think we can ignore the old pulp-sci-fi standbys of new elements
(even if Lazar refers to them :-); what we'd be discussing are alloys
and materials treatments which would take regular everyday elements
and compounds and get vastly superior performance out of them. The
periodic table and the atomic mechanics of elements are pretty well
known, and we're not going to find out the Arcturans make their ships
out of element 33 1/3rd... :-) There may be creatable and even stable
transuranics we don't know of, but they'd be heavy and not the sort of
thing you'd build spacecraft out of.
Stuff we have now would be considered incomprehensible a hundred years
ago, I suppose; what would a materials lab in 1900 make of the parts
found in a modern fighter plane, like the titanium and carbon-fiber and
optical fibers and ceramic coatings and various alloys? Would scientists
of that time, given a pile of broken F-18 parts, have declared they
came from outer space, or would they have been able to determine that
they were of earthly origin and just manufactured with techniques
they could not define?
Regards, Will
wmartin@stl-06sima.army.mil
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From: Rick.Moen@f27.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Rick Moen)
Subject: Re: Csicop members
Date: 26 Apr 91 04:00:38 GMT
> I used to know the answer to this question, but now I'm just guessing.
> But I think you've nailed them all. The only one I'm not real certain
> of is Alcock. Oh, and I think I read somewhere that whatsisname from
> Cal Poly, the guy that plays with Pterodactyls.....MacReady, I think
> he was named a couple of years back, wasn't he?
Beats the heck out of me. They're not exactly publicising this anywhere
that I know of. I suspect that appointment to the Executive Council is
some arcane process, like being beatified by the Church. <grin>
Best Regards,
Rick M.
P.S.: Need a place to stay near Berkeley, May 3-5? I might be able to
put you up, if you're coming up for the conference. Among my house-
guests will be Becky Long, trainee investigator for MUFON and president
of Georgia Skeptics. You could have some interesting conversations in
our kitchen, methinks.
--
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From: Mike Dobbs <miked@hpvclmd.vcd.hp.com>
Subject: 'UFO Abductions' show on CBS
Date: 2 May 91 23:36:29 GMT
CBS will be airing a show called 'UFO Abductions' on May 17 at 8pm.
It was made as a pilot for a series but I doubt that it will become
one. Victor & Grais Productions of Venice, CA produced the show.
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Mike Dobbs / Internet: miked@vcd.hp.com
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: INCIDENT-INDIAN POINT
Date: 25 Apr 91 18:07:00 GMT
> Don,
>
> Didn't Greenwood and Fawcett write about Indian Point in their book
> Clear Intent, I read it some where was that it?
More likely in Night Siege, I don't think Indian Point is mentioned in Clear
Intent.
Jim
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: Csicop members
Date: 27 Apr 91 23:49:00 GMT
> P.S.: Need a place to stay near Berkeley, May 3-5? I might be able to
> put you up, if you're coming up for the conference. Among my house-
> guests will be Becky Long, trainee investigator for MUFON and president
> of Georgia Skeptics. You could have some interesting conversations in
> our kitchen, methinks.
Sorry, won't be making it up there, I just took a job as John Sununu's travel
agent and will be very busy. ;-)
MUFON and the Georgia Skeptics, eh? When she arrives, let me know and we can
at least correspond here for a couple of days.
Thanks for the offer,
Jim
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Bill Cooper
Date: 28 Apr 91 08:06:00 GMT
> From: ak842@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Douglas Dever)
>
>
> 'Flashing red lights don't make an alian spacecraft :-) '
> (Or something to that effect)
> I never said that they did... I just thought that I've seen enough prove
> to believe that the crafts to exsist and are visiting this planed. My
> earlier message made a bad assuption about Skeptics. Sorry...
> As for the flashing red lights... imagine someone like that living near
> an airport... 'Hello... yea... there's a UFO going over my house ever 5
> or so minutes.... ' :-)
Your above statement sounds as if it implies that the craft are from outside
of this planet. What proof have you seen of this?
Mike
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From: ParaNet.Information.Service@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (sm)
Subject: New Affiliate
Date: 28 Apr 91 08:09:00 GMT
This is to welcome a new ParaNet Affiliate.
ParaNet TAU-DELTA(sm)
Dan Sjolseth
Simi Valley, CA
1-805-583-UFOS (8367)
On behalf of the ParaNet family, WELCOME. Please introduce yourself and your
interests to the group.
Michael Corbin
Director
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From: Don.Ecker@f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker)
Subject: Re: Incident-indian Point
Date: 27 Apr 91 09:04:00 GMT
I believe you are refering to "Night Siege" by Hynek,
Imbrogno and Pratt.
Don
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From: Linda.Bird@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Ivan Sanderson
Date: 28 Apr 91 18:54:00 GMT
Jim:
You could be right about the book. I don't know where I spotted
that info about the farmer, only that it "stayed with me." I'll let
you know if I run across the story again.
Linda
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From: ncar!shemtaia.weeg.uiowa.edu!jrblack
Subject: Tibetan Music
Date: 3 May 91 15:42:12 GMT
From: James Roger Black <jrblack@shemtaia.weeg.uiowa.edu>
The Musical Heritage Society has just released a recording of Tibetan
music entitled 'Sacred Music of the Diamond Realm'. One of the songs
is entitled 'Kha-Dro Ten-Zhug', which is translated as "The Longevity
Dance of the Space Beings'.
Do these guys know something we don't?
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