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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 392
Friday, April 19th 1991
Today's Topics:
WHAT IS REALITY?
Re: SERIOS BUSINESS
The Grey Men Tape (6)
Re: Statements of accepta
Re: Mail Problems
Re: New Affiliates
Re: Bill Cooper
WHAT IS REALITY?
nice chat
Redlight!
Belgium Information
Sitchin
OBE
Again?
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From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)
Subject: WHAT IS REALITY?
Date: 12 Apr 91 06:56:00 GMT
I saw the long message with quotes of quotes, and the end had someting I
must accept. There is something that people see. What it is does not depend
upon the source much of the time. Presidents and paupers have observed UFO's.
The what and why and how are missing. The when and who we get from time to
time. Last of all is by what athority. I don't think it is always necessary
to conclude that a persons position inlife makes them more or less able to
judge what they perceive. So we run in circles, especially for the one who is
interested in this unexplained observation. Some of the time we are fed steak
some of the time leftover dogfood. It's always hard to seperate the two, but
none the less, something is going on and being seen!
I observe, question, and accumulate information. I conclude based upon the
total knowledge collected. I have no reasonable answer as to what UFO's
really are, where they come from, how they exist, or WHY?
So as most who read this might admit, the quest is for a solution to a
question which appears on a fairly frequent interval. What is really going
on? You and I may have divergent views, but our goals are the same.
There is hope...
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From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: SERIOS BUSINESS
Date: 12 Apr 91 07:09:00 GMT
I will have to watch what AC says more carefully when I watch again. I don't
think he says "This is how it was done..." but he does say that there is a
question as to the viability of the events. We both know that when something
mystic happens, and someone can explain it in a dozen ways, that doesn't
prove that one of those 12 ways are the answer. It reasonable to believe
reproducable evidence, it's reasonable to disbelieve freak occurances (even
if they are factual), it is also logical to accept a reasonable explination
when it cats more doubt than the original event or events. It's unreasonable
to stick to something that has been proven a fraud over and over again, just
because of defensive thoughts.
It appears that strange claims are likely to be taken as fact even in the
face of reality. It also happens that factual unusual events are more often
ignored just because they are unusual.
If it seems I'm dancing on the rails as the train approaches, it is because
each event is independent. I hope to keep thinking that way also. Each case
or event is judged on individual merits.
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: The Grey Men Tape (6)
Date: 12 Apr 91 07:44:00 GMT
Did you personally type the messages from the original publication
and check for accuracy?
jbh
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From: John.Tender@f112.n129.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Tender)
Subject: Re: Statements of accepta
Date: 9 Apr 91 23:38:00 GMT
>> I am looking for statements they have committed to print and public
>> distribution;
JS> Sorry; can't really help you there. I do believe that the
JS> statements you seek exist in many places, most notably the
JS> Skeptical Inquirer, but I couldn't cite you specific references.
I was of the same 'impression' re the Skeptical Inquirer; what I
can't understand is, when I ask people who I feel should be familiar
with this material to give references, in order to substitute actual
statements in place of general impressions, I get nowhere. That says
something, either about the material or the people.
>> Such statements would be quite valuable. It would at least show how
>> competent these guys are as scientists (assuming they would actually
>> write their own stuff) as opposed to propagandists.
JS> It is my impression that these guys are competent "scientific
JS> thinkers." (Define "scientist.") I am not by any stretch of the
I would rather define what is "scientific" rather than trust a
"scientist" to be always "scientific".
So, now my stab at a definition of "scientific": 1) 'Objective' and
data, uncoupled to any specific theory or hypothesis, 3) 'Explicit'
enumeration of all assumptions, 4) 'Explicit' and 'quantitative'
formulation of theories, either algorithmically or heuristically.
JS> imagination a "scientist", but I believe I've got a grasp on
JS> how the thinking process goes. While I disagree with their
JS> parameters for evidence, I recognize that there is enough room
JS> for gentlemanly debate on the subject without stooping to the
JS> degree of vilification you seem to revel in. The bottom line
If the issue is so unclear, perhaps the "gentlemanly debate" hasn't
been as productive as you think. Perhaps we should stoop to criticise
improper thinking, even when our friends do it.
On the other hand, I 'was' engaged in sarcastic parody at some
points. For that, I'll apologize.
JS> is, I *do* believe that "these guys" will accept *SOMETHING*
JS> solid as evidence, and though they do seem to present a moving
As long as they have reasons for adopting the standards of
evidence, and reasons for changing them, it's OK by me.
Of course, there is a tendency to put the matter in a
"belief/non-belief" framework; that's more a religious context than a
scientific one. Evidence acquired will either make a specific hypothesis
or theory more probable or less probable. Granted, trying to develop a
consistent and explicit process for evaluating exactly how much even
"accepted" evidence bolsters any particular theory is not easy. However,
materialist that I am, I assume that if the human mind is capable of
doing it then we can, with sufficient technological resources, model the
process. And it's time to start now.
JS> target, I believe that, if UFOs are a genuine, physical
JS> phenomenon, it is within our power to gather the requisite
JS> amount of evidence to convince them. Of course, with some of
"Within our power" 'if' they have explicit and reasoned standards
of evidence.
JS> them, it becomes almost academic, since a sufficiently large
JS> body of evidence has indeed already been gathered.
By "them" I assume you mean scientists in general. Or Oberg,
Scheaffer, and Klass? or some other group in CSICOP?
>> When Rick, a member of the Bay Area Skeptics and CSICOP, evaded
>> this issue so persistently it merely reinforced a pattern I've seen in
>> skeptics before; using science when it is convenient, and ignoring it
>> otherwise.
JS> <sigh> I have seen that pattern in skeptics myself. I just
JS> don't see it in Rick, and I don't think you should be painting
JS> with such a broad brush.
Everyone has blind spots; I don't claim absolute correctness. I
pointed out what I considered to be serious, and specific, lapses.
Others can evaluate them as they please.
... from the purlieus of Pittsburgh
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From: Linda.Bird@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird)
Subject: Re: Mail Problems
Date: 14 Apr 91 06:13:00 GMT
Clark
Where is your file/posting on oddities on the moon? I really want
to read that! Thanks, Linda Bird
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From: John.Feilke@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (John Feilke)
Subject: Re: New Affiliates
Date: 14 Apr 91 00:10:00 GMT
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From: cwns2.ins.cwru.edu!ak842
Subject: Re: Bill Cooper
Date: 16 Apr 91 23:25:48 GMT
From: ak842@cleveland.freenet.edu (Douglas Dever)
The reason UFOlogists have to 'drag a UFO into Washington' is because
the government dosen't want anyone to know that UFOs *DO* exsists. Also,
the government has enough blind followers who believe everything they're
told, that they (the government) can get anay with it. You and I both know
they exsist.... but try telling that to someone who hangs on everything
the air-force tells them. (There people are knows as Skeptics) Eventually
people will wise up and relieze that there are UFOs, but the question is...
WHEN? I can't understand how people can believe that we are all alone in
the universe. When you relieze that the universe is expanding in all
directions at the speed of light, and has been for all of time. It
is immpossible to even estimate how long that is. Oh well... time for me
to step off another of my mane soapboxes. :-)
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From: Jim.Greenen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Greenen)
Subject: WHAT IS REALITY?
Date: 15 Apr 91 14:05:00 GMT
I agree with you 100% on that, Pete. Thanks for the reply. I don't
know if we will find all the answers but maybe are children will
require and gain much more than us. 40 or 50 years from now our
children will probably laugh at us because we probably had the
answer right under our nose and didn't see it. That is why I don't
wear a mustache, I don't want to miss anything. ---GRIN---
73's ---Jim---
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From: Jim.Greenen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Greenen)
Subject: nice chat
Date: 15 Apr 91 14:39:01 GMT
Had a nice sit down chat with Lars yesterday and I mention that
seems to get up-set easily, he said yes but he really is a nice guy
and I think he is a super guy. I said, OK I'll try to be careful on
what I say to him because my intention was not to light a fuse but
tohave a general conversation with him. It's really nice to know
that we have friends and I thought I might let you know. Apat on the
back feels better than a punch in the gut. 73's ---Jim---
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Redlight!
Date: 16 Apr 91 07:20:00 GMT
The Gulf Breeze Sentinel reports that 14 people observed a red light ufo from
South Shoreline Park in Gulf Breeze the night of April 6.
The gist of the story is that they saw the light appear, slowly ascent for
about three minutes, then suddenly go bright white and vanish.
Still photos and videotapes were made.
More info to follow soon's I can.
jbh
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Subject: Belgium Information
Date: 18 Apr 91 01:13:00 GMT
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Article as it appeared in UFO Universe, June/July 1991.
BREAKING DOWN "THE WALL" OF UFO SILENCE
FOR THE LAST SIX MONTHS, ALMOST THE ENTIRE EUROPEAN CONTINENT HAS
BEEN PLAGUED BY A WAVE OF UFO SIGHTINGS UNSURPASSED IN HISTORY,
PERHAPS MOST PUZZLING HAVE BEEN THOSE OF A GIGANTIC "FLYING
PLATFORM" SIGHTED NEAR THE GERMAN BORDER IN BELGIUM.
By Antonio Huneeus
(c) 1991 by A. Huneeus. All Rights Reserved Reprinted with
permission to ParaNet(sm) Information Service No further
reproduction is allowed without written permission from the
author.
In a totally unprecedented move in the history of ufology, the
Belgian Air Force and government has not only carefully
documented the great UFO wave over Wallonia, but shared its
results with civilian investigators and the public, in effect
literally breaking down "The Wall" of UFO Silence that still
stands in the western world.
* * *
For the past year, citizens in the French-speaking region of
Wallonia in Belgium have experienced an extraordinary UFO wave.
Thousands of witnesses, including dozens of gendarmes (national
police) and officers of the Belgian Air Force, have described
triangular-shaped vehicles flying slowly over rooftops, hovering,
shooting searchlights and performing incredible maneuvers. The
objects have been captured on some 25 videotapes and tracked on
both ground and airborne radar by the military.
Few, if any, will doubt that the triangular UFOs have been seen
all over Wallonia since November of 1989. According to a front
page story in The Wall Street Journal published on October 10,
1990 and entitled "Belgium Scientists Seriously Pursue A
Triangular UFO," "since the rash of sightings here began almost a
year ago, more than ]2,600 have been reported of a triangular
object with three huge lights hovering in the night sky over
Wallonia." The question that some are asking is whether these
objects could be explained by the testing of a new top secret
military aircraft. Remotely Piloted Vehicles (RPVs), AWACS, the
F-117 Stealth Fighter, and a modified version of the B-2 Stealth
Bomber, are some of the options that have been suggested.
Besides the large amount of well documented data gathered by
the Gendarmerie, the Air Force and civilian scientists from the
Belgian Society for the Study of Space Phenomena (SOBEPS), the
Belgian Map has broken another record. For the first time ever in
the controversial history of UFOs anywhere in the world, the
Belgian Minister of Defense, Guy Coeme, has authorized the Air
Force to fully cooperate with SOBEPS, forwarding their reports,
and even putting at their disposal a Hawker Sideley aircraft
equipped with infrared cameras and sophisticated electronic
sensors.
As the well known French physicist, Jean Pierre Petit, explained
to Paris Match magazine, "we are living in a time that is the
beginning of a period of openness. First the Berlin Wall
crumbled, now the wall of silence about UFOs is falling.
Concerning the UFOs, we are entering a phase completely different
from the earlier ones. It is the end of commercialism and fakery.
The true scientists are finally making their appearance." Dr.
Petit is a senior physicist and director of research with the
National Center for Scientific Research of France. An iconoclast
and a world class expert on magnetohydrodynamcs (MHD), Dr. Petit
has also conducted some rather interesting UFO research of his
own, publishing recently his results in the book, INVESTIGATION
OF UFOS.
Unlike many other UFO groups around the world, the SOBEPS
has a team of respected scientists, including Leon Brenig, a
nonlinear dynamics theorist at the Free University in Brussels,
and Professor August Meessen, a physicist from the Catholic
University at Louvain. Among the numerous UFO witnesses, in fact,
were Lucien Clerebaut, Secretary General of SOBEPS, Patrick
Ferryn, a film producer and founding member, and Jose Fernandez,
another SOBEPS investigator. "Here is an opportunity where we can
apply the scientific method," remarked Professor Brenig.
SOBEPS files show that the first sightings occurred on the
night of November 7, 1989, when two gendarmes from Esneux
observed a silent huge craft "with two very powerful white lights
directed downwards and 'a sort of green and red garland.'" The
flap, however, gained momentum and notoriety on the evening of
November 29 when 41 witnesses, including six gendarmes, observed
the huge triangle - sometimes referred as "a stationary platform
" - in Eupen, Verviers, and several other locations in Wallonia
near the border with Germany. As the press speculated with AWACS
and Stealth aircraft on the following days, the Defense Minister
Guy Coeme dismissed these rumors, stating that "all hypotheses
involving the presence of military aircraft in our air space are
definitely to be ruled out. "
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From: ncar!ugw.utcs.utoronto.ca!VM1.YorkU.CA!YSCS1296
Subject: Sitchin
Date: 18 Apr 91 21:19:01 GMT
From: User <YSCS1296@VM1.YorkU.CA>
Visiting my local bookstore today, I chanced upon a series of books
with one of them entitled GENESIS REVISITED, and another called
THE 12TH PLANET. I can't recall the author name. Sitchin,
or something like that. Anyway, they are a series of 5 books that
talk about basically the theory that humans are descended from ETs.
I browsed through a few of them, and there are lots of photos, etc.
What was most interesting was that in GENESIS REVISITED, there was a
whole section on the alien threat as we have discussed it on Paranet,
including SPECIFIC references and DIRECT quotations of Regan's speeches
that was mentioned in the KRILL documents (his reference to the
extra-terresterial threat to humanity). Kind of gave me a shiver down
the spine. Unfortunately, I did not have enough money (nor perhaps
want to) for the books so did not buy them - although my curiousity
is piqued enough to warrant that in the future.
There was a reference to Planet X - the alleged 10th planet after Pluto.
Also much data on the Mars Face, etc.
All in all, a whole shipload of Paranet-ish material.
I was surprised these books were not more popular or talked about. The
subject of alien-descended homo sapiens should be quite controversial.
The author might even be harrassed by those 'die-hard church-types'.
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From: ncar!ugw.utcs.utoronto.ca!VM1.YorkU.CA!YSCS1296
Subject: OBE
Date: 18 Apr 91 21:20:18 GMT
From: User <YSCS1296@VM1.YorkU.CA>
Since Paranet is not UFOnet, here is something which may or may not be
directly or indirectly related to UFOs (sounds like those disclaimer
things you get from stuff you purchase..)
Do we have anyone here with info on Astral Projections?
Specifically, I want to know how to induce an OBE, and what risks there are
once one is astrally projected: e.g., what of the claims from Hubbard that
there are 'machines' that the higher-dimension entities can use to capture
your lifeforce once it exits the body? What about the silver-thread thing
that I keep hearing about from the likes of Shirley Maclaine?
With OBEs, who needs Mr. Scott, eh?
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From: Steve.Rose@p1.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Rose)
Subject: Again?
Date: 17 Apr 91 05:23:31 GMT
In a message to all <16 Apr 91 00:20> John Hicks wrote:
JH> The Gulf Breeze Sentinel reports that 14 people observed a red
JH> light ufo from South Shoreline Park in Gulf Breeze the night of April 6.
JH> The gist of the story is that they saw the light appear, slowly
JH> ascent for about three minutes, then
JH> suddenly go bright white and vanish.
Hmmmm...isn't it about the time for them to gear up for the upcoming tourist
season? This seems to becoming a springtime ritual.
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