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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 372
Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 372
Tuesday, March 5th 1991
Today's Topics:
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NASA plans nuclear propulsion research
MORE RANTINGS!!
Re: Lazar end.
Belgium Update #2, military is hunting UFO's
Coverup?
Commander X
Coverup?
ALTERNATIVE 3
Batman?
Area 51
Kecksburg
magnetic anomalies
Re: Phenomenon Framed Again!
Tesla, Keely, et. al.
Tesla, Keely, Et. Al.
Hat Tunes from the Play-dees
Re: Lazar End.
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From: vm1.yorku.ca!YSCS1296
Subject: replies
Date: 3 Mar 91 22:18:04 GMT
From: User <YSCS1296@vm1.yorku.ca>
Brief replies:
-
As to which 'jerk scientists', I'm just generally referring to people like
the one on this latest ABC best-kept-secrets episode, who made fun of the
'witnesses' psychology as requiring attention, etc. Another example is
the scientist on the unsolved-mysteries mars-face show, referring to the
kermit-the-frog rock formation. It really isn't simply the making-fun-of
people part, but the brushing aside of the situation into the realm of the
silly, absurd, and outrageously funny, instead of giving some of the UFO
witnesses/etc. some dignity - I mean, whether or not it's all UFOs or not,
is besides the point, because these people deserve at least to be listened
to and seeing UFOs or something they thought were UFOs does not mean they
are to be branded as weirdos (and it takes some guts to come forward).
Also, I recall an old documentary in which Carl Sagan himself, who used to
be a hero of mine in my more youthful days of Cosmos, and whatever else,
stated that there was 'not a smidgeon of evidence' for extra-terresterial
intelligence on Earth (and, for that matter, anywhere else). Is that a
proper stance? Not even a smidgeon? Hmmmm... maybe anything less than
billions of billions is insignificant for Sagan (albeit him doing this
SETI thing on the side - probably to entertain the more insistent and/or
ignorant of the ET fans).
-
ASIDE: Anyone know what's happened to the L5 society? L5 is a group for
the advancement of space colonies technology. How do they factor in to
the 'new and improved' UFO scenario/story?
-
As for the gov't covering up stuff... I did not mean the gov't only or in
a specific manner - I meant more a general 'higher authority' on Earth.
e.g., the Mars Face special that was taken off the air, and an edited
(read, CENSORED) version 'real soon now'; etc. I don't believe there is
a sweeping and thorough, and strict coverup, but I do believe that there
is one to a certain extent, and not only confined within the parameters of
the gov't itself and its various arms (since there really aren't any such
parameters, except in the imagination and naievty of the general public).
-
Again, I hope we get to see this Hattonn stuff.
By the way, is it just recently that there is so much UFO material in the
media? I mean more along the lines of pseudo-serious study of the subject
and not only 'Joe saw a UFO last night. Now, in other news...' And if
so, why now? Why this past year? Can we expect much more soon?
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From: ecn.purdue.edu!lush
Subject: (none)
Date: 4 Mar 91 02:22:26 GMT
From: lush@ecn.purdue.edu (Gregory B Lush)
First of all, I want to thank all those people who told me
that you love me in the last newsletter. It's nice to know
that someone besides my mother loves me.
I have two comments. First, no one in this newsgroup
has read any of the America West publications and further no
one in the newsgroup knows me in any way. I therefore find it impossible
to understand how one can call me gullible, another call the information
'dogma' (Webster: a point of view put forth as authoritative
without adequate grounds), or identify the information as false.
I guess I, in my ignorance, always considered it proper to read
something before deciding it false; silly me.
(If you want gullible, how about the people who think that we can
kill/maim/take prisoner hundreds of thousands of war-experienced
Iraqi soldiers while we suffer a couple dozen casualties.)
Second, if you don't want to read what I have to say, you needn't
expose yourself as a leaking hot air balloon. Just ignore me, hit the
space bar or page button a time or two, and I will have mystically vanished.
Someone asked about how to get their info on the net or in this
newsletter. America West was, a while ago, asking for volunteers
to post their newsletter. I am not willing because I don't have
the time or the inclination--take that any way you like. I don't
think that the place to start is with their newsletters as it would
be like reading and trying to understand the end of a textbook before
reading the beginning. They have now 25 books
and over 100 newsletters. I don't intend to type in by hand one of
their books. If I find a section that can stand on its own and I
have some time, I'll type it in. The reason behind this person's request was
anonymity. This newsletter doesn't seem very anonymous to me. Why not
call America West. You won't be placed on any list. Someone will write your
name on an envelope and send you their catalog. If you won't do that
much because of fear, and this information is truth, 'they' (all around
bad guys, black hats, world planners, and all those other cliches) have
already won the battle.
America West HAS been censored (had you heard of them?) as no TV station
or national newspaper will accept their ads. The Pleidians say that
the scribe (I did NOT call her a channelor nor a psychic) has been
killed (heart stopped) several times with 'beam weapons.' They monitor
her constantly and can revive her. That is an example of their
interfering if directly requested. I heard
Dan Rather quote Boris Yeltzin once as saying, 'the KGB has beam weapons
that can stop my heart.' Finally, Hatonn (not Hatoon!) said that the
World Planners have decided that the Truth is no longer a threat to them.
I have no argument with that point. The Planners would not want
to censure to the point that people got interested in America West.
How to contact Hatonn? You don't need an appointment. You must go
to a quiet place where you can hear your inner voice. Just call on
him. I'm not saying he will appear in full 9 1/2 foot radiance; I'm
not saying he won't. I think that is his choice. You have to remember
that just because the response is not in the form that you expect/want,
that doesn't mean the response was not made. Before you do, imagine
yourself cloaked in light. Ask an honest question, and listen attentively
for the reply. It's easy to call; it's admittedly harder to hear.
I will leave you with something to chew on. I recall in my childhood
when watching the lunar modules returning to earth that they had to wait
a while for the module to cool while it was in water before opening.
Then, the astronauts had to be helped out of the module because
weightlessness had screwed up their bearings--they could not walk at all.
I was at Edward's Air Force base when the very first shuttle returned to
earth. I remember the immediately captain bounding down the steps and
running all about the place like a gazelle. Apparently, one of the
announcers on a network commented on his athleticism. This same
announcer, a former astronaut or NASA person--in other words, a knowledgeable
person, commented when he first saw the shuttle, 'That doesn't look
like it's been in space!'
What does this mean? I don't know; you tell me--but be gentle. Remember
some people love me.
Greg
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From: vanth!jms
Subject: NASA plans nuclear propulsion research
Date: 4 Mar 91 06:16:25 GMT
From: vanth!jms@amix.commodore.com (Jim Shaffer)
I thought that this message, forwarded from Usenet, might be of interest to
everyone here:
+From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
+Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.space.shuttle
+Subject: space news from Jan 7 AW&ST
+Message-ID: <1991Feb25.013310.8439@zoo.toronto.edu>
+Date: 25 Feb 91 01:33:10 GMT
+Organization: U of Toronto Zoology
+
+[...]
+
+NASA to establish a Nuclear Propulsion Systems Office at Lewis, as a
+joint project with DoE and DoD, to resume work in advanced propulsion.
+[About %$#$%#$%ing time!!!] The official goal is a functional test
+engine by 2005 to support Moon/Mars efforts. Both nuclear-thermal
+[classical nuclear rockets] and nuclear-electric [nuclear-powered
+ion thrusters] are being considered, and the choice will be made late
+this decade. There will also be some funding for high-risk-high-payoff
+concepts like gaseous-core reactors. NASA's last formal nuclear-rocket
+project died in 1973.
+
+[...]
+
+--
+'But this *is* the simplified version | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
+for the general public.' -S. Harris | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry
--
* From the disk of: | jms@vanth.uucp | 'Glittering prizes and
Jim Shaffer, Jr. | amix.commodore.com!vanth!jms | endless compromises
37 Brook Street | 72750.2335@compuserve.com | shatter the illusion of
Montgomery, PA 17752 | (CompuServe as a last resort)| integrity!' (Rush)
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From: Don.Ecker@f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker)
Subject: MORE RANTINGS!!
Date: 4 Mar 91 00:59:00 GMT
I am a child of the 60's. I remember very well the day Jack Kennedy
was shot, saw both Bob Kennedy and Martin Luther King in Arlington
Cemetery in 1965. I can remember seeing the Beatles on Ed Sullivan
when they first came to the states in 1964. I liked the 'Doors',
Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, and even Harry Chapin. I survived the
dawning of the 'Age of Aquarius', went to Viet Nam, came home and
waited for the Nam to wear off.
I never experimented with psychedelics--I never dropped acid, and
if I felt the need to take a trip, I found a willing girl of like
mind, ingested a quart of tequila, and tripped. After Nam I doubted
the reality of God, then I heard about Watergate and doubted the
reality of my government. When the channeling craze started, I
looked at it and figured that it was just a re-hash of the
spiritualism from the last century, and decided that if someone
wanted me to channel, I would buy cable, it was probably cheaper.
I do not eat curds, bark at the moon or listen to much that comes
from Sedona, Arizona. However . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
In the UFO field, some trash, similar to something, oh- say like
herpes, ends up being the gift that keeps on giving. . . . . .
several issues of UFO ago, I started the 'Whistleblower' series,
and examined Milton "Bill" Cooper. Unlike many folks who Cooper has
dazzled, I and a few other old timers from ParaNet 'knew' Cooper
since he first hit the 'airwaves' here on ParaNet back in 1988.
Cooper's story kept changing like the weather in Denver, and after
a not too long period of time, the old Administrator, Jim Speiser,
had enough of Milty and gave him the boot.
Cooper's brand of paranoia encompasses the 'dark side' of ufology,
claiming to have seen documents way back when. . . . ol Milt was in
Navy Intelligence. Seems like, according to Milty, the little grey
critters, ( or was it green? ) were responsible for everything from
drugs in the USA, to high oil prices, the murder of a president,
Bill Moore, the CIA, and I guess by extension, maybe even me and
UFO Magazine. You see, even though Cooper had not one shred of any
type of evidence what so ever for anything he raved about, you
either took him at his word, or like me, were an agent of the
imperial government, the CIA, or were just flat out a Communist!!
Now, on to New Age. If there were ever a contradiction in ideas,
Cooper's brand of UFOlogy had meant the New Age * * * and they
loved him in Sedona. Now I always figured that the New Agers were
into peace, love, light, brussel sprouts, chanting things like
"Free Huey", singing old Dylan songs, and listening to what Baba
Ram had to say. Space Brothers were here to save us from us, and
crystals are good. Well . . . . . .
A couple of Sedona guru's named Michael and Aurora El-Legion, that
are into the Ashtray Command, Semi and Full - ase ( from the
Pleiades ) Crystal Power Demonstrations, New Age Diets, and
Intergalactic Tours, ( all out of Sedona by the way ) discovered
Cooper and really got p.o.ed by the two part Cooper expose. As it
happens, they also do a column for the Omega New Age Directory. The
content of their column for February was inflammatory to say the
least. The editor of this paper called UFO and interviewed Vicki
Cooper for their 2/91 issue. that follows this little ranting. What
is really interesting however is how they arrive at the conclusion
that UFO Mag is a CIA front, ( according to the El-Legions they
have their reasons ) and that Milty Cooper is honest, upright, red
blooded and all American. They are also shocked that James Bo
Gritz, the former Green Beret Lt. Col. that sent a letter to UFO
complaining about Milt Cooper must have been pressured by the CIA
to make these unfounded accusations. At anyrate. . . . .
Maybe they should stick to 'Telepathic Channeled messages for the
audience', or 'Channeled Readings for the Star People', all paid
for advertising by the way for the El-Legions out of the Omega New
Age Directory', and leave the UFO investigations to other people
more qualified.
For your reading enjoyment....
El-Legions take sides in UFO ROW
In their column UFO Update this
month, Michael and Aurora El-Legion
bring up the controversy that exists
between UFO researcher William
Cooper and UFO Magazine.
Cooper has brought to national
attention a number of formerly Top
Secret documents that indicate that
the government is involved in some
sort of cover-up concerning UFOs and
Aliens.
UFO Magazine is a nationally
recognized UFO publication that has
always been seen by other publishers
as moderate and objective in its
reporting.
Recently, Cooper has taken
objection to some of the reports
appearing in the magazine concerning
him. He has made statements accusing
it of being a tool of the CIA.
In their column the El-Legions
have expressed Cooper's views about
UFO Magazine, that it was "set up by
the CIA to keep tabs on what is going
on in the UFO movement and to create
confusion through misinformation"'
Vickie Cooper (no relation) editor
of UFO Magazine, was contacted by
the Omega New Age Directory. She
agrees that disinformation is a tactic
used by intelligence agencies to
discredit the UFO movement, but says
that is William Cooper who is causing
the harm.
"Anyone who pays close attention
to the information issuing from
individuals such as William Cooper."
says Vickie Cooper, "will see clearly-
that he is doing what he accuses UFO
Magazine of doing, which is to mix
pertinent information with complete,
unabashed lies.
"What that does is effectively-
dilute not only the information people
should be paying attention to, but
effectively discounts all of UFOlogy
and the UFO subject in the eyes of the
general public. This is an effective
tactic of disinformation that has been
used by a number of paid experts in
the intelligence and counter-intel-
ligence Community according to many
fine journalists who have tried to
expose the secret government."
In their column, the El-Legions
also address a letter written to UFO
Magazine by Bo Gritz. Criticizing
William Cooper. They find it surprising
and wonder if Gritz was pressured into
writing it.
Vickie Cooper agrees with Gritz's
criticism when he said of William
Cooper, "He's hurting the credibility'
and honestly of sincere researchers at
a time when we are facing a true peril
from within."
Further, says Ms. Cooper, "If
Michael and Aurora El-Legion and
others who claim to do good work in
the UFO field cannot see and act on
the truth of that, they are only adding
to the problem."
I wouldn't expect Vickie Cooper
to say anything else," commented
Aurora El-Legion. "Of course, she
supports the position of her magazine."'
The El-Legions steadfastly
maintain that, despite reports and
rumors undermining either side in this
issue, they remain among the many
who support William Cooper, "I think
Cooper is honest and for real, a man of
high integrity," says Aurora El-Legion.
"If I ever see anything that proves
otherwise, I will change my opinion."
The El-Legions feel that Ms.
Cooper is not competent to speak on
the subject of UFOs because she had
no background in UFO research before
she began publishing UFO Magazine.
Supporters of UFO Magazine claim
that because she had no background
in research, she was not committed to
one position or another, and is thus a
very impartial publisher.
The End.
--
Don Ecker - via FidoNet node 1:104/422
UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name
INTERNET: Don.Ecker@f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG
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From: Rick.Moen@f27.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Rick Moen)
Subject: Re: Lazar end.
Date: 2 Mar 91 05:48:11 GMT
> Rick Moen said with skeptical tongue in side of cheek;
>
> > Whoa there, Don. There's something _very wrong_ with
> > accepting this
> > form as evidence of anything at all. I'll be very
> > reassured if you
> > aren't going to need me to tell you what that is, and
> > can/will let the
> > echo know, instead of leaving us with the implication
> > that it
> > constitutes actual evidence.
>
> Whoa there Rick. I do not recall saying ANY SUCH THING. What
> I did say was that we received a fax of the W-2 form in
> question. I did not say that we thought it was genuine.
> However, rest assured. . . . . I am following up on it.
My point was, Don, that you don't need to follow up on it.
There's a very good reason not to accept a W-2 (as opposed
to, say, a bank photocopy of a deposited pay cheque) as evidence.
Do you know why, or would you like me to explain?
(God, I love keeping people in suspense. <grin>)
Best Regards,
Rick M.
--
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From: Andre.Eichner@f10.n245.z2.FIDONET.ORG (Andre Eichner)
Subject: Belgium Update #2, military is hunting UFO's
Date: 28 Feb 91 11:46:00 GMT
Hi Michael!
> Suddenly the two fighters spotted the intruder on their radar
> screens, appearing like a little bee dancing on the scope. Using
> their joy sticks like a video game, the pilots ordered the
> onboard computers to pursue the target. As soon as lock-on was
> achieved, the target appeared on the screen as a diamond shape,
> telling the pilots that from that moment on the F-16s will remain
> tracking the object automatically. On the screen is indicated the
> object's position, distance and speed. The object was very close
> to the fighters.
> The pilot did not even have time to start this procedure,
> which requires the fighter's radar to stay locked on for at least
> six seconds. But the object had speeded up from an initial
> velocity of 280 KPH to 1,800 KPH, while descending from 3,000
> meters to 1,700 meters...in one second! This fantastic
I think, the UFO has seen, that the fighter-pilot has locked his radar and
the know wath this mean. They must think that the pilot are launching his
missiles after six secounds. I as the UFO's commander did the same:
escape.
This is the fact that UFO's avoid to contact us!
Many films show, what military do with aliens...
cheers
Andre
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Andre Eichner - via FidoNet node 1:104/422
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Coverup?
Date: 3 Mar 91 18:57:00 GMT
> perhaps
> the interruption was a specified censor of various parts of the
> country's
> networks, so to reduce the number of viewers
Doubtful. I suspect you'd find that ABC broke into programming at
the same time (GMT or UTC) but it was only in the East that the
Secrets show was on.
jbh
--
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Commander X
Date: 3 Mar 91 18:58:01 GMT
> This is probably an old subject, but does anybody have any
> concrete
> information on this 'Commander X' person who wrote a book for
> Inner Light
> Publications?
It's not concrete, but I believe Commander X is Timothy Green
Beckley of UFO Universe and also Inner Light.
jbh
--
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Coverup?
Date: 3 Mar 91 19:01:02 GMT
> The ABC
> special which chronicled the Gulf Breeze affair was absolutely
> meaningless since there is no way to reference or study the red
> light in the film. For all we know, someone could have been in
> a tree far off from the camera using a flashlight with a red
> lense to increase the sensational value of the program.
I got to see the war news (or lack thereof). ;-)
Anyway, according to the GB Sentinel, quite a few independent
witnesses saw the red light at the same time. This incident was
preceded by a couple of other similar sighting (within a week or so).
jbh
--
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From: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen)
Subject: ALTERNATIVE 3
Date: 4 Mar 91 06:49:01 GMT
* Replying to a message originally to All
hh> From: hpvclmd.vcd.hp.com!miked
hh> Date: 28 Feb 91 14:18:39 GMT
hh> Message-ID: <10869@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM>
hh> Newsgroups: info.paranet
hh>
hh> From: Mike Dobbs <miked@hpvclmd.vcd.hp.com>
hh>
hh> A friend of mine showed me a video tape of a TV show that
hh> was shown on
hh> the BBC in June of 1976. It was called ALTERNATIVE 3. The
hh> show
hh> appears to be a documentary about scientists mysteriously
hh> disappearing
hh> from England, a joint US/Russian covert space program
hh> complete with a
hh> base on the moon, and lots of other wild stuff. Does
hh> anybody have
hh> documented proof that this show was a hoax? I have heard
hh> rumors to
hh> that affect but nothing substantial. Also I would like to
hh> write the
hh> BBC to get their statement about the show. Can someone
hh> please provide
hh> me with an address. Thanks.
hh>
This has probably been beat to death, but I dug this up the other
day:
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Placed in the public domain from the
VANGARD SCIENCES archives on October 28 1989.
Our mailing address is PO BOX 1031, Mesquite, TX 75150.
Voice phone (Jerry 214-324-8741...Ron 214-484-3189
KeelyNet (214) 324-3501
The Truth about Alternative 3
from its author, Leslie Watkins
(This article is taken from the Windwords newsletter)
address not available
In our June issue, we told you about the controversial book
Alternative 3, by British author Leslie Watkins. In out attempt to
find out if the shocking theories in the book were true, we called
Avon Books, the American publisher; they said the book was out of
print in the states. We called Penguin Books in London and found that
it was listed on their NON-FICTION list. A senior editor there told
us that it was officially classified as FICTION BASED ON FACT. The
author's agent told us it was most definitely fiction. We wrote to
the author himself to try to get the real story, and here is the
letter he sent us.
Dear Ms. Dittrich:
Thank you for your letter, which reached me today. Naturally, I am
delighted by your interest in Alternative 3 and by the fact that you
plan to sell it in the Windwords bookstore. I will certainly
cooperate in any way I can.
The correct description of Alternative 3 was given to you by the
representative from Penguin Books. The book is based on fact, but
uses that fact as a launchpad for a HIGH DIVE INTO FICTION. In answer
to your specific questions:
1) There is no astronaut named Grodin.
2) There is no Sceptre Television and the reported Benson is also
fictional.
3) There is no Dr. Gerstein.
4) Yes, a "documentary" was televised in June 1977 on Anglia
Television, which went out to the entire national network in
Britain. It was called Alternative 3 and was written by David
Ambrose and produced by Christopher Miles (whose names were on
the book for contractual reasons). This original TV version,
which I EXPANDED IMMENSELY for the book, was ACTUALLY A HOAX
which had been scheduled for transmission on April Fools' Day.
Because of certain problems in finding the right network slot,
the transmission was delayed.
The TV program did cause a tremendous uproar because viewers refused
to believe it was fiction. I initially took the view that the basic
premise was so way-out, particularly the way I aimed to present it in
the book, that no one would regard it as non-fiction. Immediately
after publication, I realized I was totally wrong. In fact, the
amazing mountains of letters from virtually all parts of the world-
including vast numbers from highly intelligent people in positions of
responsibility-convinced me that I had ACCIDENTALLY trespassed into a
range of top-secret truths.
Documentary evidence provided by many of these correspondents decided
me to write a serious and COMPLETELY NON-FICTION sequel.
Unfortunately, a chest containing the bulk of the letters was among
the items which were mysteriously LOST IN TRANSIT some four years when
I moved from London, England, to Sydney, Australia, before I moved on
to settle in New Zealand. For some time after Alternative 3 was
originally published, I have reason to suppose that my home telephone
was being tapped and my contacts who were experienced in such matters
were convinced that certain intelligence agencies considered that I
probably knew too much.
So, summing up, the book is FICTION BASED ON FACT. But I now feel
that I inadvertently got VERY CLOSE TO A SECRET TRUTH. I hope this is
of some help to you and I look forward to hearing from you again.
With best wishes,
Leslie Watkins
Unfortunately, Alternative 3 is no longer available. We (Windwords)
bought all the remaining copies from the British publisher and those
quickly sold out. If the book is reprinted, you can be sure we'll let
you know and we'll carry it in the Windwords bookstore.
--
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From: vm1.yorku.ca!YSCS1296
Subject: Batman?
Date: 4 Mar 91 22:25:01 GMT
From: User <YSCS1296@vm1.yorku.ca>
I wonder how many of you watched HARD COPY's segment on the 'solution'
to all those UFO sightings of late?
Anyway to recap, the 'solution' was that the movie cameras could show the
UFOs by zooming in, and focussing out. The 'bat symbol' appears in all
such instances.
My gripe is that just because the picture turns out like that, which is
not surprising since the folks filming the UFOs probably can't determine
the exact distance to focus onto (ditto for the auto focus mechanism),
and just because all the films turn out similarly (they discounted the
witness who saw a TRIANGULAR UFO - attributed to Aurora Project), does not
mean that the object itself (as distinct from the picture image) is to be
likewise negated as batman's symbol because there had to be SOMETHING for
the camera to be filming... regardless of image outcome.
Just my two bits.
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From: vanth!jms
Subject: Area 51
Date: 5 Mar 91 06:22:26 GMT
From: vanth!jms@amix.commodore.com (Jim Shaffer)
Prior to the showing of 'America's Best-Kept Secrets', there were rumors
that there would be a segment covering Area 51. Does anyone know what
happened to this, or were the rumors just that -- rumors?
* From the disk of: | jms@vanth.uucp | 'Speeding through the
Jim Shaffer, Jr. | amix.commodore.com!vanth!jms | universe, Thinking is
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From: vanth!jms
Subject: Kecksburg
Date: 5 Mar 91 06:23:13 GMT
From: vanth!jms@amix.commodore.com (Jim Shaffer)
+From: Mike.Keithly@f70.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Mike Keithly)
+Subject: Kecksburg
+Date: 3 Mar 91 04:49:00 GMT
+
+Whatever happened to that UFO crash in Pennsylvania, last iheard it was a
+Russian Satelite that crashed.. Any new Ideas..
Last I heard, there was *speculation* it could've been a Russian space
capsule. If you've heard any evidence for it, I'd love to hear it. (There
was also a story that nobody in town believes in it and they tried to tell
the UM crew but they wouldn't listen.)
* From the disk of: | jms@vanth.uucp | 'Speeding through the
Jim Shaffer, Jr. | amix.commodore.com!vanth!jms | universe, Thinking is
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From: vanth!jms
Subject: magnetic anomalies
Date: 5 Mar 91 06:23:59 GMT
From: vanth!jms@amix.commodore.com (Jim Shaffer)
+From: Michael.Corbin@f4.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
+Subject: Coverup?
+Date: 1 Mar 91 20:30:00 GMT
+
+ I saw an article in my
+local paper describing another Soviet UFO encounter where children were
+involved in the sighting. They described a pyramid-shaped object with the top
+missing jumping in 15 foot increments across a grassy area. The report goes
+on to say that there were no landing traces found other than high magnetic
+readings in the spot that the children described the object as being.
This is something that has been bothering me for a long time: extraordinary
magnetic anomalies found at the site of UFO landings. Unless there's a
ridiculous amount of iron in the ground, how could a UFO leave any
magnetism behind? The only thing I can think of would be for the
fundamental structure of the atoms making up the ground to be changed.
That's a rather large effect, and something that should be easy to
identify! The only other explanation I can think of involves the UFO
leaving some sort of 'impression' of itself in the aether. This of course
would require that the aether exist in the first place, which is something
that isn't accepted by mainstream science.
Anybody else want to take a shot at this?
* From the disk of: | jms@vanth.uucp | 'Speeding through the
Jim Shaffer, Jr. | amix.commodore.com!vanth!jms | universe, Thinking is
37 Brook Street | uunet!cbmvax!amix!vanth!jms | the best way to travel.'
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From: Peggy.Noonan@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: Re: Phenomenon Framed Again!
Date: 4 Mar 91 18:54:00 GMT
Thanks, John, for the reply <g> about the Isaacs show and UFO programs.
If we keep this up with delays between messages and both of us reading
so many, neither of us will have any idea what the other is talking
about! :-)
Seriously, though, thanks for the answer!
==Peggy==
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From: Clark.Matthews@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Tesla, Keely, et. al.
Date: 4 Mar 91 16:58:00 GMT
> +The Pleidians explain that psychic phenomena and all that is
> +attached with it, such as remote viewing, is just simple
> physics.
> +The receiving of this material is not mystical or channeling.
> +It is physics that the general populace knows nothing about,
> but
> +is really quite simple to them (obviously). Nikola Tesla
> developed
> +an understanding of much of this, but the bad guys (whoever
> THEY are)
> +got to him, and have hidden a lot of his work.
>
> I have been reading quite a bit about this, and also about a
> man named
> Keely who was apparently on the trail of the same sort of
> thing as Tesla,
> but involving SOUND instead of electromagnetism. Keely also
> unfortunately
> expressed everything in his own unique terminology instead of
> conventional
> scientific terms, so his work is inaccessible and frankly
> looks like a
> bunch of nonsense to the uninitiated.
Hi Jim. Actually Tesla wasn't quite as far removed from Keely's
ideas as it might appear on the surface.
Keely propounded "sympathetic vibratory physics", and theorized in
terms of "sound". Tesla, interestingly, said that "sound, radio,
and electromagnetic radiation were all extensions of the same thing"
in the 1920s. This was one of the things that finally made him a
laughingstock in the scientific community.
Perhaps they were on to the same thing? Worth noting that there is
much anecdotal evidence for Keely's devices, but we can't test them
today. Supposedly his "airship" is in Chicago somewhere --
interesting to get hold of THAT, wouldn't you say?
> However, I'm not sure that Tesla's ideas were *actively*
> surpressed so much
> as they were *passively* surpressed. That is, as I said
> above, a certain
> type of person seems to be resistant to learning new ideas,
> and resultantly
> fearful of them, much as the opposite type of person revels in
> new ideas.
> It could also have something to do with the fact that Tesla
> didn't have
> enough money to complete his research. Regardless, I think
> the problem is
> largely simple ignorance rather than suppression. How many
> people, for
> example, have actually seen a bladeless turbine in use? How
> many, for that
> matter, know that such a thing even exists? And that it's
> more efficient
> and safer than conventional turbines?
>
Well, I don't know if Tesla turbines are safer than conventional
ones because of the stresses involved. Models are much more
efficient, however. There's a fellow on KeelyNet who's building
one, you know.
As to "suppression" of Tesla's work, I think it was "suppressed" by
people who had interests in his earlier work. Or in their own
patents. Edison did his best to discredit Tesla -- he was a
scurrilous old dog, was Edison. And Westinghouse, after buying
Tesla's AC patents for $1 million, might be forgiven for refusing to
fund wireless transmission of free electrical power...
As to the psychic components of all this, mentioned in your message,
check out the Keely Files MIND1-8 and VEDA. They're about this
stuff, including direct brain stimulation via microwave,
electromagnetism, etc. One of them is by Persinger, whose
electrical football helmet produced repeatable phychic results in
Montreal.
Best,
Clark
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From: Michael.Corbin@f4.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Tesla, Keely, Et. Al.
Date: 5 Mar 91 05:24:00 GMT
If some of those files aren't too lengthy, you might want to post some of the
more interesting ones here in the conference.
Mike
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From: John.Burke@f9.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke)
Subject: Hat Tunes from the Play-dees
Date: 5 Mar 91 08:45:00 GMT
* Forwarded from "ParaNet UFO"
* Originally from John Burke
* Originally dated 03-05-91 1:40
Gregory B. Lush writes:
>
> I have two comments. First, no one in this newsgroup
> has read any of the America West publications and further
> no
> one in the newsgroup knows me in any way. I therefore find
> it impossible
> to understand how one can call me gullible, another call
> the information
> 'dogma' (Webster: a point of view put forth as
> authoritative
> without adequate grounds), or identify the information as
> false.
> I guess I, in my ignorance, always considered it proper to
> read
> something before deciding it false; silly me.
That's like saying that one must go swimming in a cesspool because the sense of
smell provides insufficient data for making a decision on where to bathe.
BTW, the claim that the Pleaides is "our sister constellation" would make a
wonderful example to be included (for illustrative purposes) in Webster's
definition of "dogma".
>
> (If you want gullible, how about the people who think that
> we can
> kill/maim/take prisoner hundreds of thousands of war-
> experienced
> Iraqi soldiers while we suffer a couple dozen casualties.)
I'm not sure what you're getting at here. It sounds like the "we never sent
men to the moon" perspective is now being applied to the Gulf War. Someone
better tell Bill Cooper!
>
> Second, if you don't want to read what I have to say, you
> needn't
> expose yourself as a leaking hot air balloon. Just ignore
> me, hit the
> space bar or page button a time or two, and I will have
> mystically vanished.
Oh, you'd *love* that wouldn't you! Hatoonism could be broadcast loud and
clear without the "static" of rational scrutiny.
Now I know how Rick Moen feels: Dare to question the basis for "Space Brother"
dogma and expect an _ad hominem_ attack in return!
> The Pleidians
> say that
> the scribe (I did NOT call her a channelor nor a psychic)
> has been
> killed (heart stopped) several times with 'beam weapons.'
Sorry to hear that!
> Finally, Hatonn (not Hatoon!) . . .
Oops! I'll get it right for the Christmas card!
-- John
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From: Don.Ecker@f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker)
Subject: Re: Lazar End.
Date: 5 Mar 91 06:34:00 GMT
Clark Matthews said;
> Hi Don. While you're checking on the W-2, why not
> spend a couple of dimes checking out Rick Moen?
I did and. . . . .
>
> I mean, do any of us REALLY know if HE exists? A
> committee of hydrophobic Mensa misfits could be
> writing this stuff, you know.
Nope, I found out he was a "Kloned Klass" and sent to
Frisco!! Grin
Don
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