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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 368
Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 368
Tuesday, February 19th 1991
Today's Topics:
Knapp and Lazar
End Lazar Part I
Missing
Paris Match - UFO sitings & Military release.
Re: Increase apocalypse f
Re: Skeptics
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From: Don.Ecker@f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker)
Subject: Knapp and Lazar
Date: 17 Feb 91 20:13:00 GMT
The man that broke the Lazar story is award-winning
jouralist George Knapp of KLAS TV in Las Vegas. Knapp said;
All rights reserved.
Bob Lazar has come forward with
a fairly incredible tale, and has done
so at great personal risk. But what's
most interesting to me is that the
story he told me 16 months ago is
the same story he is telling today. It
hasn't changed, nor have I been able
to find any indications that he at any
point lied about his experiences.
This much we know is true: There
really is an S-4 on the Nellis Air
Force Base range; Lazar really did
work for Naval intelligence, accor-
ding to his W-2 form. He really was
employed at Los Alamos National
Laboratories, even though that facili-
ty is still making it difficult for me to
obtain corroborating paperwork.
Still, Lazar's involvement with an
illegal brothel operation certainly
hasn't helped with the search for
truth. The situation has made me
and a number of others open to ad-
ditional ridicule and doubt, which is
understandable. It has hurt Lazar's
credibility in the eyes of many peo-
ple, but to lots of others, it didn't
matter; the fact that he was involved
in something illegal doesn't rule out
the possibility that he also worked on
"flying saucers."
That is a central issue. Lazar is a
complex man, not easily categorized.
I sometimes wonder if he wasn't in
fact chosen for the release of this in-
formation. If a psychological profile
was drawn up on Bob Lazar, he
might have been sized up as the kind
of guy who would "spill the beans."
Whether he's been brainwashed into
believing the story is another matter.
He admits that his "employers"
tampered with his mind, but whether
they stuck this stuff into his head to
see how people would react, I don't
know. To be sure, nobody has yet
freaked out!
I also can't say whether there will
be a broader release of information
at some point in the future, although
there are indications that this is
possible. There are people who don't
know Lazar, and who don't even
know each other, who have added
bits and pieces of information that
back up what he has said. Perhaps
one of them will eventually choose to
come forward, and when that hap-
pens, the Lazar story will still be in-
credible, but it won't be just his
story. That fact just may capture a
whole new level of public awareness.
George Knapp
George Knapp is a broadcast jour-
nalist working at KLAS-TV in Las
Vegas, Nevada.
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From: Don.Ecker@f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker)
Subject: End Lazar Part I
Date: 17 Feb 91 20:14:00 GMT
Cont. from last.
All rights reserved.
***
Backtracking to check any of these
claims or establishing the various
jobs, education, or business relation-
ships of Lazar has proven very dif-
ficult. Lazar himself has not helped
with the verification process. As he
told UFO at one point, when we
traveled to Las Vegas to interview
him prior to his sentencing, "I saw
what I saw, and you didn't. I don't
care who believes me and who
doesn't. **** the rest of you guys."
California Institute of Technology,
MIT, and several other institutions
profess no knowledge of Lazar. A
check with Los Alamos, even with
the phone book which lists him by
name, brought a firm denial of
knowledge about him. Edward
Teller, when interviewed on camera
by the television newsmagazine show
Inside Report, also claimed to have
never heard of him. However, his
reactions when he was not aware of
being taped are most enlightening.
Author's note: The guilty plea he
entered after being convicted on a
single count of pandering-in lieu of
other possible charges, as a result of
his plea negotiation-has absolutely
hurt Lazar's credibility. His arrest
came after he admitted on camera
that he helped set up a computer
system and security equipment for a
well-known prostitute and an illegal
brothel in Clark County, Nevada.
As he told Knapp earlier, Lazar is
the easiest guy in the world to
discredit, and he is right. Lazar
refused to furnish UFO Magazine
with information that could have
helped with his case.
The political maneuvering in Las
Vegas over this case has all the ear-
marks of a political year (which it
is). Gene Huff, Lazar's good friend
and associate through it all, has been
Lazar's "mouth piece." At one
point, William Moore of MJ-12 fame
was in Las Vegas, and while there at-
tempted to meet with Lazar, but
Lazar turned him down. Moore then
wrote an editorial in his Focus
newsletter which castigated Lazar.
Lazar never responded himself, but
Huff did, in print, including Moore's
editorial and Huff's rebuttal. Along
with this, Huff also wrote and in-
cluded a text entitled "Where Is The
Justice?" During the time span be-
tween Lazar's arrest and final senten-
cing, Huff wrote a scathing docu-
ment alleging graft and collusion bet-
ween Las Vegas Metro Vice and a known
prostitute.
***
UFO will go into this in more
detail later, but what is significant is
Lazar's unwillingness to cooperate by
providing details that would have
helped his case and verify his story.
The UFO community did not beat a
path to his door, but Lazar is the
man who came forward alleging
events and circumstances which, if
true, have broken a 40-plus year
secret that could prove to be the
ultimate "Cosmic Conspiracy. "
It is unrealistic to expect the
research community to just go away
because one does not "wish to
play." When dealing with the poten-
tial explosiveness of the information
that Lazar has disseminated (and that
will be revealed for the first time
next issue), Lazar or any other
whistleblower must realize that
legitimate researchers are going to
dig and dig some more in attempts to
verify. What the serious research
community is attempting is nothing
less than to expose the coverup that
has been ongoing for 40-plus years,
an effort to cause the powers to ad-
mit that we do have "otherworldly"
visitors. In this or any other field
having such potential for world-
altering breakthrough, one cannot
half-step once the door has been
opened.
In the next issue, we explore more of
this story and look for the proof of
what may be the ultimate coverup.
END OF PART ONE
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From: Don.Ecker@f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker)
Subject: Missing
Date: 17 Feb 91 22:53:00 GMT
With the outbreak of war in the Gulf a little over a month
ago, many of us are reminded of many mysterious happenings
that take place in time of war. Because war is what it is,
many happenings are overlooked in the rush of events, that
in times of peace would be looked at much more closely.
Being a combat veteran myself, one of the most disturbing
things I found about war concerned my friends that went
missing in action, or other wise known as MIA. As we all
know now, having listened to the radio and TV this past
month, once again we are faced with our American troops that
have disappeared in the heat of combat while engaged with
Iraqi troops.
Iraq, or as it was known in Biblical days MESOPOTAMIA, is no
stranger to missing soldiers and airmen. In Frank Edwards
book, "STRANGE WORLD", published by ACE BOOKS, INC. 1964,
chronicled a very strange case that took place in British
Colonial days. The following is titled;
THEY NEVER CAME BACK
Sometimes when people disappear it seems they
literally walk off the earth. Such was the case with David
Lang, whose classic disappearance as he walked across a
field in Tennessee was watched by five witnesses. And in
my book-Stranger Than Science, I also recounted the
story of the Eskimo village of Anjikuni, where every man,
woman, and child vanished, leaving their guns standing be-
side the doors of their huts. . their kayaks to rot on the
beaches.. and their dogs to starve. They vanished
a hint as to how, or where or why they went.
To the list of mysterious disappearances let us add another
remarkable case.
July 24, 1924, was just another day of blazing heat in the desert
of the Middle East, then called Mesopotamia. The
Arabs were up in arms again; the British were keeping an eye on
them whenever possible. On that day Flight Lieutenant
W. T. Day and Pilot Officer D. R. Stewart took off in their single
engine plane for a routine reconnaissance over the
desert. Estimated flying time: four hours.
They have not been seen since.
When their plane was found, the day after they failed to
return, the mystery w s only deepened. There was gasoline
in the tank, and the engine started readily when tried. There were
no signs that the plane had been shot at. There was no
clue to hint why they might have landed where they
did . . . in a broad stretch of inhospitable desert.
The search party found something else that adds ques-
tion marks to the case of the missing fliers.
Beside the plane in the soft sand were the boot marks
where officers Day and Stewart had jumped down from
the craft. Their tracks showed that they had left the plane and
walked along side by side for about forty yards. There
the tracks ended. The arrangement of the footprints indicated
that the men had simply stopped, standing side by side. Then, and
there, they vanished.
The fate which befell them will probably never be known.
Armored trucks, planes, and half a dozen patrols of
native tribesmen scoured the desert for miles around. There
was never a trace of the missing fliers. Where their footsteps
ended in the sand, their life stories ended too. And there
began another classic mystery of missing men, another true story
that is, indeed, strangest of all.
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From: ac.dal.ca!MCLARKE
Subject: Paris Match - UFO sitings & Military release.
Date: 18 Feb 91 18:16:55 GMT
From: MCLARKE@ac.dal.ca
Could you please confirm the issue date for the er
recent article in the Paris MAtch magazine featuring the
evidence released by Belgian Military Officals. I would like
to confirm the article before posting it locally.
Mike Clarke
Teaching Unit
Academic Computer Service
Dalhousie University
Nova Scotia, Canada
(902) 494-3455
PS
Were there any sitings of spherical UFOS during last Feruary (1990) over
the NE states or Quebec?
Mike
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From: Rick.Moen@f27.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Rick Moen)
Subject: Re: Increase apocalypse f
Date: 18 Feb 91 06:25:06 GMT
JP> When everyone agrees on something, evryone's usually wrong. --
JP> old stock market saying.
Jim --
This puts me in mind of Asimov's Corollary to Clarke's Law.
Arthur C. Clarke, you may recall, was the one who said
When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that
something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he
states that something is impossible, he is very probably
wrong. (Clarke's Law)
"Elderly", per Clarke's use of the term: "In physics,
mathematics, and astrophysics, it means over thirty; in the other
disciplines, senile decay is sometimes postponed to the forties."
Clarke's friend Isaac Asimov said he _basically agreed_ with this,
even though he suspected that Clarke had him (among others) in
mind, in so saying. However, Asimov said he wasn't terribly
worried, since he was guided by the aforementioned corrolary, in
deciding which scientific heresies to denounce:
When, however, the lay public rallie around an idea that is
denounced by distinguished but elderly scientists and supports
that idea with great fervor and emotion -- the distinguished
but elderly scientists are then, after all, probably right.
Best Regards,
Rick M.
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From: Doug.Rogers@p0.f1.n606.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Doug Rogers)
Subject: Re: Skeptics
Date: 16 Feb 91 21:14:47 GMT
Rick,
I believe, if you will re-read my post, I am taking no particular
individual to task. I was simply asking *ALL* participants to re-
examine what they are saying and doing. If I find anything you
personally say to be out of line, please rest assured, you will hear
from me.
I find nothing to criticize in your post to me, but I don't see where
it argues with anything I've said. I was asming for ALL parties to
honor the right of ALL RESPONSIBLE positions to be heard. If you
can show a postion to be IRRESPONSIBLE, then you are working within
the guidelines of the network. The search for "truth" is the point
of what is going on here, is it not?
Thanks for your comments, and keep asking questions.
And thanks also for your kind words. Moderators are, by definition
Curmudgeons. A bit of appreciation is always welcomed by *ALL* of
us.
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