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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 369
Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 369
Monday, February 25th 1991
Today's Topics:
Paris Match - Ufo Sitings & Military Release.
Desert Shield Strangeness
RE: THE BEST KEPT SECRETS IN AMERICA
Ufo-vol. 6 No. 2
Re: JUST CAUSE
Re: UFO-VOL. 6 NO. 2
Lazar Part II
Lazar Cont.
Lazar End.
Re: Japanese Videotape
File Disclaimers
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From: Michael.Corbin@f4.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Paris Match - Ufo Sitings & Military Release.
Date: 19 Feb 91 21:36:00 GMT
> From: MCLARKE@ac.dal.ca
>
> Could you please confirm the issue date for the er
>
> recent article in the Paris MAtch magazine featuring
> the
> evidence released by Belgian Military Officals. I
> would like
> to confirm the article before posting it locally.
The article appeared on July 5, 1990, according to the
information that I have here.
Mike
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From: Steve.Rose@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Rose)
Subject: Desert Shield Strangeness
Date: 17 Feb 91 15:18:00 GMT
swue> (1) Has anyone noticed that in most of the 'Nintendo' movies they are
swue> showing of smart bombs taking out Iraqi targets there is no
swue> indication at all of any camera motion? You can see things moving
swue> on the ground, you can see the bomb streak in from out-of-frame,
swue> you can see the smoke rising from the wreckage--but the camera
swue> never moves. Surely they're not using hovering Harriers for
swue> bomb-damage assessment! Perhaps ducted-fan drones? I had read
swue> years ago that we were building these for aerial reconnaissance,
Sorry...but that doesn't wash. Have you done much flying? Whenever you
approach a city or coastline from high in the air, you should notice that the
ground doesn't 'rush right up to the plane'...despite the speed they are flying
at.
Even though the flighter/bomber doesn't fly as high as commercial traffic
during a bombing run on a target...they are indeed a lot higher than the camera
shows. Blame it on zoom-lens or whatever...but they are NOT that close. Hence,
their approach may look as though the *plane* (yes, they are still planes...the
same ones you see taking off from the military bases and aircraft carriers) is
floating stationary over the target. That is just an illusion from the
camera's perspective itself. We are not talking about any strikes made by a
hovering helicopter here...or any *unusual* types of flying apparatus. Just
listen to the commander or the commentator during the showing of any bombing
video footage. They will almost always tell you what model bomber or fighter
did the damage. You can best believe it is publically known aircraft and
technology. Those are real planes and real people flying them!
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From: Jim.Greenen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Greenen)
Subject: RE: THE BEST KEPT SECRETS IN AMERICA
Date: 18 Feb 91 14:12:00 GMT
Mike, I think that you miss read my message. I said that they are
working on a 4 part series on the Gulf Breeze sightings not the
"America, Best Kept secret". This 4 part series will use
professional actors playing the parts of Ed Walters and the other
people that were involved. This information comes from Donald Ware
the Regional Director of MUFON. The Crew has already interviewed him
so as to get a personality trait on him and also Ed Walters. I have
no ideal when this mini series will be aired. 73's ---Jim---
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From: Michael.Corbin@f4.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Ufo-vol. 6 No. 2
Date: 22 Feb 91 03:21:00 GMT
* Forwarded from "Ask UFO Magazine"
* Originally from Don Ecker
* Originally dated 02-20-91 23:01
Hello all. UFO Magazine Vol. 6 No. 2 is fresh off the press. In this newest
issue UFO takes a gander at the information that is through "Official
Channels".
Terry Ecker (no relation that we are aware of) has taken another look at the
Rendelsham Forrest, United Kingdom case. We call it "Bentwaters". Terry Ecker
from Palatka, Florida got the scoop at the Great Gulf Coast UFO Gathering in
Biloxi.
What happens when you ask Uncle Sam to look into UFO happenings? Read "Going
for the Government: An Overview".
The Sabbotage of Ufology looks at what the good folks in the intelligence
areana may have on their agenda for the UFO crowd.
A Newsman's Odyssey is my story on what really went down in Wytheville, Va.
with Danny Gordon and the Wytheville sightings.
In Advance of the 'New World Order' is a very interesting article by Mike
Lindemann taking a look at the Gulf and the oft used phrase New World Order
that our President and the Soviet Premier use SO OFTEN.
Dick Haines new book 'Advanced Aerial Devices Reported During the Korean War (
thats UFOs folks ) is reviewed, and Dennis Stacy looks at Moore and Shandera's
new one, 'The MJ-12 Documents, An Analytical Report'.
And so much more. . . . . . . .
Don't miss it.
Don
PS If you need some info on how to get UFO, leave me a note.
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From: stl-06sima.army.mil!wmartin
Subject: Re: JUST CAUSE
Date: 22 Feb 91 15:25:46 GMT
From: Will Martin <wmartin@stl-06sima.army.mil>
There seems to be a great deal of misunderstanding about this law.
It was not aimed at the ordinary federal employee who writes articles or
edits a newsletter, but, because of the sloppiness and incompentence of
the legislators, it ended up having that effect.
It was enacted as part of the Congressional 'ethics' legislation, which
*was* widely publicised. In return for their over-large and unearned
pay raise, Congress (and other high-level appointed officials) traded
off 'honoraria' and various sources of outside income, like
article-writing. But the law was so broadly worded that it not only covered
these intended targets, but also included ordinary low-level federal
employees (like me).
There are court challenges and revised legislation in the works, so it
this effect on ordinary employees is sure to eventually be removed, but
that will take time. All in all, this is a good example of 'Run for the
hills! Congress is in session!'
Personally, I would have preferred that Congresscritters just simply and
openly get their income from graft and corruption, instead of
surreptitiously. Pay 'em a nominal fee and save our tax dollars. This
'ethics' brouhaha had just the wrong effect, 180 degrees away...
Regards, Will
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From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: UFO-VOL. 6 NO. 2
Date: 22 Feb 91 19:41:17 GMT
Message from you signed DON mentions Mike Lindemann and his work on the
analysis of "New World Order" issues. Does anyone have a mailing address or
some possible way to contact Mike? Does he possibly have access to Paranet? I
need to contact him about "Blue Dukes Ravin Blues" which occured about 25
years ago. He will understand the above if he is the same person who worked
on this project until 1967.
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From: Don.Ecker@f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker)
Subject: Lazar Part II
Date: 24 Feb 91 20:16:00 GMT
In Part III of the "Whistleblowers" Part I of the Bob Lazar story
was uploaded. In Part II of the Lazar saga, here is the
"Whistleblowers" Part IV, "Tales of the Bizarre" as read in UFO
Magazine Vol. 6 No. 1, by Don Ecker.
Whistleblowers, IV, TALES OF THE BIZARRE by Don Ecker
UFO Magazine Vol. 6, No. 1
All rights reserved.
In the last issue of UFO, the first
part of the Lazar story was pub-
lished. No other story in the last 5 to
10 years has had such potentially
earth-shaking implications. Lazar, a
31-year-old, self-described physicist,
has told a fantastic story of having
worked on a number of recovered
flying saucers that the U.S. govern-
ment has stored at a top-secret sec-
tion of Nellis Air Force Base.
Claiming to have been hired after
an accidental explosion at Nellis in
early 1987, which he says killed two
scientists and involved the alleged
element 115, Lazar says his work at
the super secret S-4 site lasted ap-
proximately 4 months. After Lazar
was caught on Bureau of Land
Management land with several other
people who witnessed what appeared
to be a test flight of one of these
"alien" craft, he was ordered into
security offices for what he described
as a debriefing filled with threats of
bodily harm.
Lazar originally revealed his story
to two people who at the time were
close friends of his-John Lear, who
made a splash in the UFO field in
late 1987, and Gene Huff, perhaps
Lazar's closest friend. Lazar's story
has not materially changed since he
first went public in 1989, and up un-
til now few additional additions have
surfaced.
One source close to Lazar stated
that at one point, his security
clearance came under scrutiny
because of a "phone tap" that the
intelligence people at S-4 had on
Lazar's phone. Apparently Lazar's
ex-wife had been found in "Flagrante
delicto" via the tap. Lazar had been
unaware of this until called into
"security."
Also at one point, security alleged-
ly had been following Lazar when he
stopped at John Lear's house follow-
ing his first days working at S-4. As
Lazar stated in other media when
speaking about his employment, the
oppressive atmosphere began to
outweigh the thrill working at such
an exotic location.
Lazar later privately spoke of be-
ing shown various briefing
documents that were to provide per-
sonnel working on this project with
background information, material
that supposedly disclosed extensive
details concerning what was known
about the saucers and the entities
that piloted them. Documents spoke
of the "kids," and Lazar guessed
that this could have been a reference
to aliens, but he was not sure.
About human religion
Another area that these "briefing
documents' addressed concerned
human religion, and what the alien
intelligence had admitted. Lazar at
first refused to discuss this aspect,
and later, while scoffing at the infor-
mation, said that the documents
stated that the aliens had "created"
religion. Humans were said to be the
product of genetic engineering,
created by the aliens. Religion was
also their creation, to give rules to us
so we would protect the
"containers; " in effect, the aliens
saw us as nothing more than con-
tainers. (Whether this means that the
body is a vessel for the soul, or just
that only the body is important, they
see us as something necessary to their
purposes.) Lazar also said that the
documents stated that Jesus and two
other beings (religious personages)
were genetically created and were
monitored throughout their lives, ap-
parently as some type of human
"role model."
Cont. with next file.
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From: Don.Ecker@f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker)
Subject: Lazar Cont.
Date: 24 Feb 91 20:16:00 GMT
Cont. from previous message..
All rights reserved.
Prior to Lazar "going public" in
the latter part of 1989, he had ap-
peared on television, his image
"blacked out," and was using the
pseudonym "Dennis." Dennis, as it
turned out, was actually the first
name of Lazar's supervisor at S-4.
After the blacked-out image of Lazar
appeared on local news, where he
was talking about U.S. flying
saucers, Lazar stated that "Dennis"
called him and in a threatening tone
asked if he knew what could happen
to him. Then he hung up. At one
point, Lazar told KLAS newsman
George Knapp that someone shot out
his rear tire as he was on an off
ramp at the interstate. Another
source close to Lazar has stated that
there may be elements within the
security structure that for whatever
reason want this information to go
public. (If so, what better an in-
dicator of public reaction than the
Lazar saga?)
His story has garnered worldwide
notice, and he's received many in-
vitations to appear in various media.
At one point, Nippon Television
reportedly paid Lazar $5,000 to
travel to Japan to appear on
Japanese television. Prior to leaving
for the airport, Lazar stated that he
received an anonymous telephone call
threatening that if he traveled to
Japan, he would never make it back.
Stating that he had feared for his
life, Lazar refused to go. Nippon TV
then considered filing a lawsuit
against Lazar, charging breach of
contract.
A height of intrigue was reached
when KLAS, after cleaning up dur-
ing the TV "sweeps" with their first
UFO special, planned to run a se-
cond special. A ratings war
developed with another TV station,
and according to informed sources
the opposing TV station hired some
private detectives to follow Lazar
and George Knapp. At one point,
the rival TV station dug up the dirt
on Lazar and his business dealings
with a prostitute who was running an
illegal brothel in Las Vegas proper.
Finding out about the rival station's
scoop, Knapp convinced Lazar to
defuse the situation by going on
camera and admitting that he sold a
computer and software and set up
security equipment for the prostitute,
Toni Bulloch. According to Gene
Huff, Bulloch had been running this
business for some time, and the Las
Vegas vice squad was aware of the
operation.
During the course of this investiga-
tion, UFO Magazine spoke to a
number of principals while attemp-
ting to verify Lazar's story. A girl
friend of Lazar, who knew Toni
Bulloch, stated that Bulloch had an
affair with one of the Las Vegas
Police officers who was a member of
the vice squad.
The entire case against Lazar was
bizarre, to say the least. He was, ac-
cording to witnesses, only the third
person in Nevada's history to be con-
victed of pandering. As it ended up,
Lazar was put on probation, in-
structed to perform community ser-
vice and ordered to see a
psychologist during his probationary
period.
At this point, the big question
is-where are the saucers? Do Lazar
and his story hold up: What is in the
future concerning Area 51, and the
section called S-4:
Lazar has received a W-2 form
from Naval Intelligence, which is be-
ing touted as a prime piece of
evidence to back up his claims.
KLAS-TV has aired the form on
television. In the course of research-
ing this article, UFO Magazine asked
both Bob Lazar and George Knapp
to forward a copy of the form, a re-
quest which has yet to be fulfilled.
Groups of curious people continue
to traipse out toward Nellis AFB to
watch for flying saucers, and some
manage to see them and take
photographs of whatever it is that
the Air Force-or someone-is flying
in the vicinity.
Cont. next message.
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From: Don.Ecker@f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker)
Subject: Lazar End.
Date: 24 Feb 91 20:17:00 GMT
Cont. from previous message.
All rights reserved.
When Lazar first went
public with his claims, supposedly
several other people were to have
"come clean" with more informa-
tion. Sadly, no one else has publicly
made any statements. I personally
think that there is "high
strangeness" to Lazar's claim, and
he may very possibly be telling all he
knows. But a number of questions
still await satisfactory answers. (For
instance: If Lazar did abscond with
some monumental "proof", why did
he leave it lying around unattended,
so the alleged burglars could get at
it? But this does not necessarily seem
out of character. For someone who
supposedly held such an unbelievable
job, Lazar's laissez-faire attitude is in
itself incredible-he personifies the
person who "marches to the beat of
a different drummer.")
There is more than enough
peripheral evidence to Lazar's claims
to make some people very nervous;
that in itself is telling. Lazar has
passed a number of polygraph tests,
has undergone hypnotic regression,
and has shown reason to believe that
he may have been administered drugs
without his consent, in order to
"wipe" his memory of certain
events. If this proves to be the case,
at the very least it means that his
civil rights have been abrogated, and
if "they" can abrogate his civil
rights, then they can abrogate yours
and mine. If there are people in the
power structure who feel compelled
to flush away our Constitutional
guarantees because of something to
do with flying saucers, then we have
to ask, just what in hell are they
hiding? And why are they hiding it?
The Lazar story, much like every
other major UFO event or non-
event, will probably never be settled
to everyone's satisfaction. At least
not until the Government "players"
come clean with what it is they are
doing. The fact that there are
unidentified flying objects is not
open for speculation; it has been
proven time and time again that
something unknown is flying around.
What that something is and the iden-
tities of the people who are the ar-
chitects of the secrecy surrounding it
should be first and foremost on each
of our minds. Probably not until
Congress demands the truth in the
name of the American people will it
ever be known-or until these
mysterious objects, using their own
agenda, play out "their" scenario.
END
Authors note;
Lazar and Huff did in fact send UFO Magazine a copy of Lazar's W-2
form which is now included in UFO Magazine Vol. 6, No. 2. The form
lists Lazar's former employer as Naval Intelligence. Is the Lazar
story over now, and to be regarded as history? No. According to
Gene Huff when I spoke to him, Lazar and Huff are producing a video
that they will market in which Lazar is giving a science lesson for
the layperson in which he discusses interstellar travel and anti-
gravity propulsion. Huff stated that Lazar will also discuss the
alleged aliens that came in the saucers, site S-4, and the alien
interaction with humanity. It should be interesting on several
levels. Once more the proof is still hovering in the anti-gravity
mode. MAYBE time will tell, but in the words of Linda Elerbee, "And
so it goes. . . . . . ."
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From: John.Tender@f112.n129.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Tender)
Subject: Re: Japanese Videotape
Date: 21 Feb 91 07:02:29 GMT
RM> Fourth, any skeptic worth his doubts _will_ be able to tell what
RM> evidence would suffice to convince him on a given factual claim.
RM> Klass, Sheaffer, and Oberg _can and have_ said what would
RM> convince them. So, they may be wrong, but they're not
RM> dogmatists.
Have they made definitive statements, and if so where are these
available?
... from the purlieus of Pittsburgh
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From: John.Tender@f112.n129.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Tender)
Subject: File Disclaimers
Date: 21 Feb 91 07:02:04 GMT
[original post taken from Ask/UFO conference]
RM> Ralph Putnam to Mike Corbin:
RP>> Anyway, the question is, why do the ParaNet nodes (at least the
RP>> ones I have dialed into) continue to carry the Bill Cooper
RP>> files? Is there some valid info. in there? From your (and
...
RM> or of the author's reputation. I don't think I've seen the
RM> particular files you mention (waiting for a disk or two from
RM> Mike), but even if they're _really bad_, they can -- at a
RM> minimum -- be valuable as an example of their kind.
I'm wondering what you mean by "of their kind" ?
Since you are, quite understandably, sensitive about being lumped
in with some other "skeptics", shouldn't we be careful here too?
RM> If I were really worried about the impression these things might
RM> make on callers, I might have two UFO file areas: General and
RM> Sysop's Picks. General would be "caveat lector" stuff (Wild
RM> Bill and others), in the sysop's humble opinion, while Sysop's
RM> Picks would be those the sysop considers less improbable
RM> (modify this according to your degree of skepticism :-) ).
Any sysop utilizing such a policy should also recognize a
responsibility to post a sufficiently clear description of the criteria
employed in making the selection.
... from the purlieus of Pittsburgh
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