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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 379
Monday, March 18th 1991
Today's Topics:
Hatonn And The Pleiades
GB sighting
Re: Ss433
ME
Goof
that 'fireball' -- potentially high strangeness!
(none)
Red Light Special
Re: HAATON STUFF, ETC.
PHILISOPHICAL CONCERNS
New Echo
Unusual Aircraft Illuminations
Public Opinion Poll
Re: Bill cooper
Goof
Fireball clippings
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From: Michael.Corbin@f4.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Hatonn And The Pleiades
Date: 15 Mar 91 22:43:00 GMT
> From: ddrasin@well.sf.ca.us (Dan Drasin)
Thank you for your posting on the Phoenix Journals and Hatonn.
It is not so much that I don't believe that "channeling" is real, but more,
what scientific methods can be applied to study the phenomena? I was talking
with a person the other day who told me that there have been some solid-based
scientific research done regarding psychic phenomenon.
Does anyone have any information relating scientific research being conducted
to validate psychic phenomenon?
Mike
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: GB sighting
Date: 12 Mar 91 07:19:00 GMT
STRANGE LIGHT IN SKY DRAWS ATTENTION
by David Baker, THE GULF BREEZE SENTINEL, March 3, 1991.
On February 23, 1991 two Pensacola men were sighing on the three mile bridge.
AT approximately 7:50 p.m. the fishermen's attention was drawn to a bright red
light which suddenly appeared over Gulf Breeze.
The two men said the light would dim then come back bright red, stay that way
for a while and then dim again, all the while moving slowly in their direction.
They detected no sound from the object.
Before the object disappeared it blinked to green momentarily, changed to a
brilliant white and slowly faded away. The sighting lasted about four minutes
and there were nine additional witnesses.
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From: Jim.Greenen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Greenen)
Subject: Re: Ss433
Date: 14 Mar 91 13:50:00 GMT
Mike; from I have heard, there has been a lot of articules been
written on this object because it is different from anything that
they have detected. There are other Ufologist that are also
interested and are keeping tabs on SS433. I wish I could tell you
more but can't at this time. But from passed history, we are
sometimes not told the whole truth about certain things. And this we
are told for are on good. I think that SS433 maybe one of those half
truths. Maybe some of the readers of this echo might have some
information that they would like to share on this subject.
If you get the feeling that I'm side stepping this, I am because
I don't want anybody to get into trouble. 73's ---Jim---
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From: Jim.Greenen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Greenen)
Subject: Goof
Date: 14 Mar 91 14:11:02 GMT
Mike; So much for trying to edit a line. I tried to say that I
talked to John Hicks last week and look on Page 13 through 20 in
February issue of "The Missing Link". ---Jim---
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: that 'fireball' -- potentially high strangeness!
Date: 14 Mar 91 18:56:01 GMT
How about that maybe a ufo used the fireball as cover, so as to be
hidden from radar until it could drop below radar coverage.
Speculation, of course.
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: (none)
Date: 14 Mar 91 18:58:02 GMT
I'm no kind of expert on flares, but generally they really mess up
radio communications and a strong flare can cause an aurora in
latitudes much closer to the equator than ordinarily.
UTC (GMT, Zulu) is five hours ahead of EST.
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Red Light Special
Date: 14 Mar 91 19:03:03 GMT
> I am not too sure that we can dismiss balloons yet. I recall
> that there was something done with balloons there about a year
> ago as a joke.
Some kids let loose balloons with a light attached across a softball
field. It was a very low-level, short-lived event, complete with a
police apprehension of the kids.
While I agree that at least some of the red light sightings are
probably hoaxes, I think we'd really need to examine all the red light
events in order to draw any valid conclusions or opinions. And it's
very difficult to get all those reports together.
jbh
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From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: HAATON STUFF, ETC.
Date: 14 Mar 91 18:41:43 GMT
What's the number? I have a friend whyo would be very interested in this
material. Personally the catalog would be something to see. Concentration
camps in the US? Sure they are going to be over filled with criminals,
because we already have the highest level of imprisonment, even more than the
ruskies. Meanwhile what does all this Othave to do with Paranormal or UFO's,
there must be some titles in there about aliens taking over or something? Any
clues as to the base origin of these articles?
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From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)
Subject: PHILISOPHICAL CONCERNS
Date: 14 Mar 91 18:57:55 GMT
I read your continuing debate with boredom at many points. The reason is not
what you have stated or in some cases what others propose, but because of the
nit picking out of your statements, mis-quoting, and goal-less attacks on
motives or people. (that may have been unclear, I meant picking parts out of
your statements without concern for the whole of the material, then arguing
one word instead of a concept)
My answer is in this case: "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't
teach it to do the back stroke!"
Keep trying Rick!
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From: ParaNet.Information.Service@f4.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (sm)
Subject: New Echo
Date: 16 Mar 91 01:56:00 GMT
This is to announce that ParaNet Information Service has started a new echo to
be carried on the FidoNet backbone. It is a general UFO echo which will be
available to anyone wishing to carry it without having to join the ParaNet
Network. Its purpose is to assure that a balanced conference is provided for
the uninitiated enthusiast who wishes to learn more about the phenomenon. Any
Fidonet sysop or alternate network sysop who wishes to carry it is encouraged
to netmail Michael Corbin @ 1:104/422 or Paul Faeder @ 1:268/102.
ParaNet
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From: anubis.network.com!logajan
Subject: Unusual Aircraft Illuminations
Date: 16 Mar 91 20:17:35 GMT
From: logajan@anubis.network.com (John Logajan)
One of my associates reports that he was out for an evening walk with his
dog here in the Minneapolis area last week when a high altitude aircraft
shined an incredibly bright light directly down on him. The aircraft was
almost directly overhead when the beam passed over him. This rules out
landing lights as they point forward and down, and not just down. He said
the beam passed over him very quickly, probably at the ground speed
equivalent of the aircraft's velocity.
By high altitude he probably meant no longer able to distinquish aircraft
shape (at night). And he described the brightness as 'daylight.' The
aircraft had normal lights otherwise.
- John Logajan @ Network Systems; 7600 Boone Ave; Brooklyn Park, MN 55428
- logajan@ns.network.com, 612-424-4888, Fax 612-424-2853
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Subject: Public Opinion Poll
Date: 16 Mar 91 06:30:00 GMT
To All:
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Thank you.
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From: Rick.Moen@f27.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Rick Moen)
Subject: Re: Bill cooper
Date: 14 Mar 91 05:25:54 GMT
> Don't throw all of Bill Cooper away but put it off to the side if
> you think its garbage. I have not done or tried to Channel aliens but
> have sat in on some sections and found them to be most interesting. I
> have not made a determination if what I see or hear is real but I
> won't throw it away as garbage. I have no proof that its real or not,
> so its a part of my puzzle. If you must close your mind to all what
> Bill Cooper, Hatonn or what ever, then you might as well join the Bay
> Area Skeptic group.
Dear Jim --
Perhaps you've forgotten (or somehow overlooked) that I was the fellow
who spoke up _against_ removing Bill Cooper's files from our download
directories, and was the only sysop in these parts to do so. Maybe you
and I can form a Wild Bill Protection society, against the closed-minded
Paranet hordes. ;-)
I've always been strongly in favour of open-mindedness -- as long as
your mind isn't so open that things flutter in and out.
Best Regards,
Rick Moen, Secretary
Bay Area Skeptics
Member, Electronic Communications Subcommittee, CSICOP
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From: Paul.Faeder@p0.f0.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Paul Faeder)
Subject: Goof
Date: 15 Mar 91 20:06:03 GMT
In a message of <14 Mar 91 07:11:02>, Jim Greenen (1:363/29) writes:
>Mike; So much for trying to edit a line. I tried to say that I talked to
>John Hicks last week and look on Page 13 through 20 in February issue of
>"The Missing Link". ---Jim---
Jim, what's "the Missing Link"? A newsletter or magazine? If so can you
provide subscription information? Thanks!
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From: Michael.Corbin@f4.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Fireball clippings
Date: 17 Mar 91 22:42:00 GMT
Copyright 1991. The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.
PHILADELPHIA (AP) -- A brilliant fireball that looked like "a boomerang on
its side" with a greenish-red tail streaked on Wednesday across the sky over
much of the Northeast, authorities said.
The fireball flashed over southeastern Pennsylvania shortly after 3 a.m.,
according to Jim Krimm, an air traffic controller at Philadelphia
InternationalAirport. A pilot radioed that it "appeared to be the mother of
all meteors," Krimm said. "He said he had never seen anything in all his time
flying." Observers in Atlantic Highlands, N.J., and Ithaca, N.Y., and from
southwestern New Hampshire to Bangor, Maine, reported seeing the fireball.
Federal Aviation Administration representatives said pilots reported the
fireball to several airports in northern New Jersey. "This was big," said New
York state trooper Richard Haas. "I've seen shooting stars before and this
was nothing like that." FAA spokeswoman Diane Spitalieri said pilots who
called airports in Teeterboro, N.J., and Garden City, N.J., said the bright
light was moving back and forth over New York City. Mark Barton, a police
officer near Boston, said it looked like a "a boomerang on its side. A
cluster of lights with a big red firetail behind it." Stan Gordon of the
Pittsburgh-based Pennsylvania Association for the Study of the Unexplained, a
clearinghouse for UFO reports, said he received reports describing a fireball
that lasted five to six seconds, with a green tail mixed with some red color.
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>From Associated Press, later. Same restrictions apply.
AP 03/06 19:48 EST V0679
Copyright 1991. The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.
PHILADELPHIA (AP) -- People from Maine to West Virginia reported a
brilliantfireball in the sky early Wednesday, offering descriptions ranging
from "the size of a Volkswagen" to the shape of a "boomerang on its side."
"This was big," said New York state trooper Richard Haas. "I've seen shooting
stars before and this was nothing like that." People in West Virginia,
Virginia, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, New
Hampshire and Maine reported seeing the bright light, moving from west to
east, about 3 a.m. Philadelphia air traffic controller Jim Krimm said he took
three phone callsreporting it. One pilot radioed that it "appeared to be the
mother of all meteors," Krimm said. Many witnesses said the object appeared
to have a green-and-red tail and litup the sky for about five seconds before
it disappeared over the horizon. Haas said he was driving in Danby, N.Y.,
when he and his partner saw the bright light in the western sky. "It appeared
to be real low," Haas said. "We opened our windows to listen for a crash, but
we didn't hear anything." In Atlantic Highlands, N.J., Danny Fletcher, 23,
said he had just returned home from work when he saw the speeding light close
to the horizon. "At first, I thought it was a Scud missile," he said. Mark
Barton, a police officer near Boston, said it looked like "a boomerang on its
side. A cluster of lights with a big red fire tail behind it." "It was green
in color. I'd say it was about the size of a Volkswagen," saidpolice Sgt.
John Huyett in Martinsburg, W.Va. What people saw most likely was a
low-flying meteor that burned brightly from the friction of entering the
Earth's atmosphere, said Walter Webb, manager of planetarium observations at
the Charles Hayden Planetarium in Boston. "It's not unusual for fireballs to
be seen over an area of several hundred miles," Webb said. Derrick Pitts, an
astronomer at the Fells Planetarium of the Franklin Institute in
Philadelphia, said the object likely eventually broke up. James Cornell of
the Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory in Cambridge, Mass., said the
object either disintegrated in the atmosphere or fell into the Atlantic
Ocean, based on its west-to-east trajectory. "About 95 percent of these
meteors disintegrate in the atmosphere, usually about 30 or 40 miles above
the earth's surface," Cornell said. Cornell and Webb said they had been in
contact with federal officials, who were not tracking any satellites that
might have fallen to Earth at the time.
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>From Internet-CIS E-mail, forwarded by Jim Shaffer:
Subj: Long Island UFO reported
Clark Matthews announced a UFO sighting on Paranet which seems like it's
probably connected to the fireball that we were discussing in the
Issuesforum. (Either it's connected, or it's a really unfortunate
coincidence -- unfortunate because the debunkers will point to the fireball
and ignore the rest of the reports.)
Here's the article -- it looks like this case is going to be a big one, no
matter what the media do with it!
>From: Clark.Matthews@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)
>Subject: Long Island UFO
>
>Preliminary reports indicate sightings of a large, spherical,
>slow-moving object with four "exhaust-like" lights and vapor trails.
>The object was whitish blue and was observed to change course and
>possibly altitude.
>
>It was first observed over the borough of Queens in New York City at
>around midnight 3/5/91 and was last observed by two police officers
>in Mastic in eastern Long Island three hours later.
>
>Observations were reported from aircraft and witnesses on the
>ground.
>
>Further updates will come as soon as the information is available &
>verified.
>
>Best,
> Clark
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>From CIS Issues, section 10:
#: 103325 S10/Paranormal Issues
11-Mar-91 00:11:40
Sb: #102464-Eastern US Fireball
Fm: James T. Sullivan 76210,1244
To: Michael Houdeshell 70003,4667
Thanks for the return on the UFO/Fireball. Other oddball things have been
coming to my attention since the night of the sightings. It seems two of my
employees are convinced what they saw was a real entity, under some apparent
intentional control, moving without consideration of basic aerodynamic
properties, and executing these moves quite rapidly. One of the oddball things
I have noticed, as if this story wasn't enough, was the manner they spoke
aboutthe sighting: they both get quite emotional (and they're not the
fantasy- prone type) when I asked them what they were doing immediately prior
to the sighting.They appear to have had some sort of memory lapse. And they
also appear to be unduly upset by this lapse. Jim Sullivan
Read action !pare
#: 102464 S10/Paranormal Issues
07-Mar-91 14:00:22
Sb: #102384-#Eastern US Fireball
Fm: Michael Houdeshell 70003,4667
To: James T. Sullivan 76210,1244 (X)
What really gets me is that an FAA spokewoman told the AP that two pilots had
(separately) seen and reported the fireball moving back and forth over The Big
Apple. Isn't that a first?
There are 2 Replies.
Read action !pare
#: 102384 S10/Paranormal Issues
07-Mar-91 03:00:18
Sb: #102263-#Eastern US Fireball
Fm: James T. Sullivan 76210,1244
To: Michael Houdeshell 70003,4667 (X)
Two police officers and several of my friends saw the "fireball". I live
Burlington, MA, where a lot of the action took place. Two of my employees told
me they saw it hover, under apparent control, and display some lighting
effects(blue beams). Another weird coincidence: I have a friend in the movie
biz who sculpted Alien's for Communion. I have one sitting on my desk as a
big paperweight. Several people I frequently do business with can't tolerate
the sculpture in the room with them and I'm always forced to remove it. They
have no interest in paranormal events (almost overly derisive of the subject)
- theyshare that aversion. They are from this area.
The day before the "fireball" appeared here, one of these skeptics stormed
intomy office to tell me his 9 year old daughter woke him, complaining of
little alien creatures in her bedroom. He scoffed, sent her to bed, behaving
like a good skeptic (he didn't even give her a plausible "bad dream"
explanation).
Another employee told me today that it woke her right out of bed. I asked her
how - sound, light, smoke? She has no recall. Radio stations have been buzzing
with call-in's all day. Keep in mind that this is not Mayberry RFD, but a
largehigh-tech sector, just ten minutes from Boston.
Jim Sullivan 76210,1244
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