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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 346
Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 346
Wednesday, January 9th 1991
Today's Topics:
Bo Gritz says....
Last but not least....
Re: Paranet Newsletter 344
Chuck Harder's 'For The People' show
Hoagland's Mars
Hoagland's program
Statistics
Towards hardwares discussion?
Friedman, Above Top Secret...
Hoagland's program
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-Cyro
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From: Don.Ecker@f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker)
Subject: Bo Gritz says....
Date: 6 Jan 91 03:09:00 GMT
Editor:
I've served most of my adult life
as an intelligence operative (In-
telligence Officer, Delta Force; Com-
mander, Special Operations, Viet-
Nam: Commander Special Forces,
Latin America; Principal Agent,
NSC-ISA). Unlike William Cooper, I
can prove this identity. I have been a
Pilot for more than 30 years. My
assignments have taken me all over
the globe including Africa, Asia,
Middle East, Latin America, et al.
Much of this time has been spent out
in the open under the stars. I have
never witnessed a UFO in the classic
saucer sense, but I believe they exist
nevertheless (Even Jimmy Carter says
so). While in England, enroute to
Bangladesh, I bought and read
Above Top Secret, which strengthen-
ed my personal convictions.
This past month the Association of
Former Intelligence Officers and Na-
tional Intelligence Counter In-
telligence Association included UFO
reports (Belgian Air Force Colonel
Wilfried de Brouwer) in their
monthly INSUMS (Intelligence Sum-
maries).
As a Chemical, Biological, Nuclear
trained officer, I know that "the"
government lied about gassing sheep
in Montana with GB-Agent, infecting
San Francisco with a virus, and the
proposed use of underground nuc -
lear demolitions to construct a new
canal in Nicaragua. They denied
Frank Powers U-2 over Russia,
SR-71, and Stealth. Why wouldn't
they cover-up UFOs (classic or other-
wise)?
I obviously don't know much
about flying saucers, even though I
have more than a dozen friends, in-
cluding pilots, who are eye witnesses
to UFO sightings. I know a lot more
about people and I certainly know
the intelligence system. I have ex-
amined military records on Bill
Cooper. I have spoken with him and
listened to him on telephone recorded
audio tape. I feel compelled to add
my opinion to that of George
Knapp, Ed De Mar and others. I am
absolutely convinced that Cooper is a
charlatan. There is no doubt that he
has information concerning govern-
ment cover-up, which is easily
vacuumed from the presentations
and publications of others.
When I retumed from Burma's
Golden Triangle with videotape of
overlord Khun Sa accusing U.S. of-
ficials of being his best customers,
Cooper started saying that drugs
were funding the secret government
UFO campaign.
Only God and Cooper know if he
actually observed a UFO, but I don't
buy his story about being a part of
Naval Intelligence. I have a Top
Secret Crypto clearance with access
to Special Intelligence, which is clear-
ly imprinted on my records. None of
the Cooper file shows him to have
these basic intelligence clearances,
without which he would be denied
access to classified materials.
I also have been granted coded
clearances which open doors when
combined with a "need to know" to
highly selected ''compartments'' of
information. If Cooper were real, he
would have long ago referenced the
proper codes that deal with informa-
tion he says was available to him. 1
believe Bill Cooper is a fraud. There
is enough wrong with the govern-
ment. Cooper types only hurt honest
efforts to gain truth. His fare would
be more accurately billed as ''enter-
tainment.''
As Chief of Special Activities on
the Army General Staff, I regularly
briefed the U.S. Army Chief of Staff
and the other generals. I know and
have experience working with Ad-
miral Isaac Kidd (former Com-
mander in Chief, Atlantic) and his
staff.
There were no enlisted men on the
"briefing team." Field grade officers
(Major and up) normally furnish in-
formation to these key decision
makers. Classifed information is
carefully guarded, especially the com-
partmented information that Cooper
refers to.
Without the proper coded access
and a need to know, you don't get
in!
I don't buy Bill's "testing" the
government by mixing up code
names (Majestic vis Majority). Every
time someone produces information
contradicting Cooper, he changes,
adds to, or reveals yet another per-
sonal revelation he read in the cloak-
ed documents way back when. St.
John should have had such access.
Cooper has more twists than a
snake. He is also dangerous. I listen-
ed to a telephone answer tape where-
in Cooper badgered, bribed,
threatened, cried, and then later
allegedly slashed the tires on a man's
car.
Cooper talks and acts like a
number of other fakes I know. They
seem to want someone, anyone, to
do anything that might threaten them
since to be that important would
enhance their own self-image. In the
absence of real threats they conjure
them up. I don't begrudge whatever
popularity or success he may
garner- that is show biz. But I do
feel he is hurting the credibility and
honesty of sincere researchers at a
time when we are facing a true peril
from within. The secret government
needs to be exposed and expunged
before it turns us into economic
slaves through King George's "New
World Order.'' Cooperites dull our
cutting edge of truth. I exhort
William Cooper to stop his Bush-lip
and focus his energy and resources
on unmasking the real villains.
This is the first time I have written
a letter to the editor. Strange that
with all that is going on, it would be
to a publication I haven't read,
about a person I hope-if there are
ETs-will soon be beamed up.
Please send me info on your
magazine. It wasn't on our Pentagon
reading list, but maybe it should be.
James "Bo'' Gritz
Center for Action
Sandy Valley, NV
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
You bet Colonel. Send $18.00 for a years subscription to;
UFO Magazine
1800 S. Robertson Blvd. Box 355
Los Angeles, Ca. 90035
Editor:
I've served most of my adult life
as an intelligence operative (In-
telligence Officer, Delta Force; Com-
mander, Special Operations, Viet-
Nam: Commander Special Forces,
Latin America; Principal Agent,
NSC-ISA). Unlike William Cooper, I
can prove this identity. I have been a
Pilot for more than 30 years. My
assignments have taken me all over
the globe including Africa, Asia,
Middle East, Latin America, et al.
Much of this time has been spent out
in the open under the stars. I have
never witnessed a UFO in the classic
saucer sense, but I believe they exist
nevertheless (Even Jimmy Carter says
so). While in England, enroute to
Bangladesh, I bought and read
Above Top Secret, which strengthen-
ed my personal convictions.
This past month the Association of
Former Intelligence Officers and Na-
tional Intelligence Counter In-
telligence Association included UFO
reports (Belgian Air Force Colonel
Wilfried de Brouwer) in their
monthly INSUMS (Intelligence Sum-
maries).
As a Chemical, Biological, Nuclear
trained officer, I know that "the"
government lied about gassing sheep
in Montana with GB-Agent, infecting
San Francisco with a virus, and the
proposed use of underground nuc -
lear demolitions to construct a new
canal in Nicaragua. They denied
Frank Powers U-2 over Russia,
SR-71, and Stealth. Why wouldn't
they cover-up UFOs (classic or other-
wise)?
I obviously don't know much
about flying saucers, even though I
have more than a dozen friends, in-
cluding pilots, who are eye witnesses
to UFO sightings. I know a lot more
about people and I certainly know
the intelligence system. I have ex-
amined military records on Bill
Cooper. I have spoken with him and
listened to him on telephone recorded
audio tape. I feel compelled to add
my opinion to that of George
Knapp, Ed De Mar and others. I am
absolutely convinced that Cooper is a
charlatan. There is no doubt that he
has information concerning govern-
ment cover-up, which is easily
vacuumed from the presentations
and publications of others.
When I retumed from Burma's
Golden Triangle with videotape of
overlord Khun Sa accusing U.S. of-
ficials of being his best customers,
Cooper started saying that drugs
were funding the secret government
UFO campaign.
Only God and Cooper know if he
actually observed a UFO, but I don't
buy his story about being a part of
Naval Intelligence. I have a Top
Secret Crypto clearance with access
to Special Intelligence, which is clear-
ly imprinted on my records. None of
the Cooper file shows him to have
these basic intelligence clearances,
without which he would be denied
access to classified materials.
I also have been granted coded
clearances which open doors when
combined with a "need to know" to
highly selected ''compartments'' of
information. If Cooper were real, he
would have long ago referenced the
proper codes that deal with informa-
tion he says was available to him. 1
believe Bill Cooper is a fraud. There
is enough wrong with the govern-
ment. Cooper types only hurt honest
efforts to gain truth. His fare would
be more accurately billed as ''enter-
tainment.''
As Chief of Special Activities on
the Army General Staff, I regularly
briefed the U.S. Army Chief of Staff
and the other generals. I know and
have experience working with Ad-
miral Isaac Kidd (former Com-
mander in Chief, Atlantic) and his
staff.
There were no enlisted men on the
"briefing team." Field grade officers
(Major and up) normally furnish in-
formation to these key decision
makers. Classifed information is
carefully guarded, especially the com-
partmented information that Cooper
refers to.
Without the proper coded access
and a need to know, you don't get
in!
I don't buy Bill's "testing" the
government by mixing up code
names (Majestic vis Majority). Every
time someone produces information
contradicting Cooper, he changes,
adds to, or reveals yet another per-
sonal revelation he read in the cloak-
ed documents way back when. St.
John should have had such access.
Cooper has more twists than a
snake. He is also dangerous. I listen-
ed to a telephone answer tape where-
in Cooper badgered, bribed,
threatened, cried, and then later
allegedly slashed the tires on a man's
car.
Cooper talks and acts like a
seem to want someone, anyone, to
do anything that might threaten them
since to be that important would
enhance their own self-image. In the
absence of real threats they conjure
them up. I don't begrudge whatever
popularity or success he may
garner- that is show biz. But I do
feel he is hurting the credibility and
honesty of sincere researchers at a
time when we are facing a true peril
from within. The secret government
needs to be exposed and expunged
before it turns us into economic
slaves through King George's "New
World Order.'' Cooperites dull our
cutting edge of truth. I exhort
William Cooper to stop his Bush-lip
and focus his energy and resources
on unmasking the real villains.
This is the first time I have written
a letter to the editor. Strange that
with all that is going on, it would be
to a publication I haven't read,
about a person I hope-if there are
ETs-will soon be beamed up.
Please send me info on your
magazine. It wasn't on our Pentagon
reading list, but maybe it should be.
James "Bo'' Gritz
Center for Action
Sandy Valley, NV
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
You bet Colonel. Send $18.00 for a years subscription to;
UFO Magazine
1800 S. Robertson Blvd. Box 355
Los Angeles, Ca. 90035
--
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From: Don.Ecker@f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker)
Subject: Last but not least....
Date: 6 Jan 91 03:11:00 GMT
One of the biggest draws in
Cooper's more recent lecture presen-
tations is a videotaped clip from the
famous Abraham Zapruder film of
the assassination of President John
F. Kennedy. Lars Hansson, JFK
assassination researcher and producer
of the videotape, entitled, "The Truth
Betrayed: Dallas revisited, " narrates
on the tape how the Secret Service
driver, William Greer, turns around
and fires the fatal shot at Kennedy.
In Nov. of I988, UFO first saw
this video at the home of John Lear,
who had also given the tape to
Cooper the month before. Hansson
gave the following statement to UFO.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
According to John Lear, Cooper
was very interested in the Kennedy
video at the time he received it, but it
was not until they were both guests
on a Las Vegas TV talk show with
George Knapp in April 1989 that,
much to Lear's surprise, Cooper
claimed that he had seen verification
of the driver scenario in the Navy
briefing papers he claims to have
read between 1970 and 1973.
Cooper has merely been using the
videotape as a sensational ploy to sell
tickets to his events. I had told
Cooper not to show my tape publicly
in early November 1989, that I did
not support the theory and hadn't
since November 1988, and have
never authorized distribution of the
videotape to anyone.
Although I have never been con-
vinced that the driver fired a weap-
on, and am certainly not convinced
now, I had met in early 1988 at
length with two other researchers
who had spent years attempting to
prove this theory, and it seemed that
a compelling case existed to pursue
an intensive investigation to confirm
or disprove it. In the course of trans-
ferring the original 8mm film to vid-
eo, it was arbitrarily decided to tone
down the color during the first trans-
fer, in order to heighten the contrast
of reflective surfaces in the film, not
in an attempt to deceive anyone.
The resulting tape was never in-
tended as a ''final product'' or proof
of anything, but simply as a spur to
other researchers and/or financial
backers to initiate a complete and
thorough investigation of this
''angle.'' The tape was made only as
a research aid, an admittedly rushed
and crude one, and was not to be
sold or distributed to anyone. The
most immediate and obvious pro-
blem with using it as proof is that
there is no apparent muzzle blast or
recoil from the so-called weapon,
along with many other problems.
I first met American POW-hunter
Lt. Col. Bo Gritz in mid-May 1988,
and Captain John Lear a few weeks
later, and I showed them the tape in
hopes of enlisting their interest and
support in my investigative effort.
Although Lear felt that there may
have been some connection between
JFK's murder and his reputed deter-
mination to expose the UFO coverup
to the public, this has never been
even remotely substantiated. If any-
thing, I believe the only aliens
Kennedy was intent on exposing were
the Nazis and fascists who had come
to saturate the highest levels of the
U.S. intelligence community, aero-
space and defense industries. Unfor-
tunately, Lear sent a copy of the
tape to Bill Cooper along with his
other research material, mistakenly
believing he was a serious researcher.
Since that time, Cooper has shown
the tape to hundreds of people and
sold copies (under his own label)
around the world, according to his
disttibutor, Stan Barrington of Lan-
caster, CA. In early November 1989
and again in January 1990, I ordered
Cooper to cease and desist, informing
him that all the evidence I've gathered
thus far disproves the "Greer Theory."
He refused, claiming he saw 'all the
proof' he needed in the so-called "Navy
briefing papers" and that he would
continue to show and sell it whether I
approved or not. When I insisted that
he remove my narration, since I did not
want to be responsible for indirectly
misleading the general public, he refus-
ed to do that also although it was
removed in the tape he showed at Hol-
lywood High immediately after our
talk. He claims now to have made his
own ''cleaner'' version.
On KVEG and KFI Radio recently,
Cooper has claimed: 1) that I gave him
a copy of the Kennedy tape and
authorized him to use it;
2) that I made the tape for Lt. Col. Bo
Gritz and authorized him to use it; 3)
that I received my copy of the film
from Robert Groden one of the
premier Kennedy researchers, a
specialist on the Zapruder film and
author of two best-selling books on the
JFK assassination) and that Groden had
worked for Time-Life and lied to the
Senate Select Committee about Greer's
role in the assassination.
I had not met or spoken to Bo Gritz
and had never even heard of John Lear
when I made the Kennedy videotape,
and I did not authorize either gentleman
to distribute it to anyone. Groden, who
has labored tirelessly for more than two
decades to expose Kennedy's killers,
told me, "I would have been the first to
charge Greer with shooting Kennedy if
it was true. My copy of the film was
taken directly from the original
Zapruder print and my first effort was
to zero in on the actions of agents
Greer and Kellerman, only to discover
that, while he turned around to look
back at Kennedy TWICE, and stepped
on the brakes instead of immediately
accelerating, GREER'S HANDS
NEVER LEFT THE STEERING
WHEEL. The relection on the film is
the top of Kellerman's head, and is not
from a weapon of any kind.
''The Senate Select Committee never
called me to testify, but I spared no ef-
fort to influence them to call Greer for
additional questioning. I have never
worked for Time-Life in any capacity
whatsoever.'' - Lars C. Hansson
END
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From: vanth!jms
Subject: Re: Paranet Newsletter 344
Date: 8 Jan 91 05:41:31 GMT
From: vanth!jms@amix.commodore.com (Jim Shaffer)
>From: Clark.Matthews@p0.f4.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)
>Subject: Re: Resonant Gravity Field Coils
>Date: 3 Jan 91 05:33:00 GMT
>
>He got noticeably worse during his work at Colorado Springs &
>Wardenclyffe. That was when he started his long obsession with
>birds, especially pigeons. His condition stabilized after J.P. Morgan &
>Westinghouse pulled the plug on Wardenclyffe and he didn't have
>the funding to continue his experiments.
Sounds like it was EM-related then. If it was purely psychological I'd
have expected it to get *worse* -- lots worse -- when he was
subjected to the trauma of being forced to abandon his work.
> Read Margaret
>Cheny's book on the subject 'Man Out of Time'. It's outstanding.
I looked through it one afternoon a few years ago in the local college
library. I agree, it was fascinating.
>Tesla won the patent suit against Marconi, too. Tesla actually
>demonstrated remote control by RADIO at the 1897 World's Fair.
I had heard this. What a shame the legal system in this country can tie
cases up for so long.
I've also heard that Tesla submitted a patent for a laser or something
similar, but the patent office rejected it. Do you know the details?
>things 'snap back'. Indications are that the corresponding
>'bubble' is much larger, volumetrically, than the 'bubble"
>induced in our time-space continuum (meaning that the 'alternate
>universe' is two or three times larger than our own??? you tell
>me...)
This is a new one for me. I wonder what that means?
>weirder. Power fails regularly with the things, despite all
>precautions. This phenomenon is one of several anomalies
>associated with devices like these. Other anomalies include
>capacitors that get colder the longer they run.
Now that's a strange effect all right! Shouldn't you be able to show that
to a scientist and prove that something downright impossible is going on,
never mind the spacetime thing?!
As for the power failing, I'd like to take the design and put it into SPICE
and plot some waveforms at different points in the circuit. Just to see
how much electricity we're talking about, if it should feed back into the
power supply or control electronics. But it'd probably take an all-day
hacking session for me, because I'm not that experienced with SPICE.
>Watch it! Al Blieleck might pop up! Or Elvis. Or Jimmy Hoffa.
>Or me.
Now if we could get Jessup to pop up and tell us what he figured out just
before he died...
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jms@vanth.UUCP
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From: vanth!jms
Subject: Chuck Harder's 'For The People' show
Date: 8 Jan 91 06:02:23 GMT
From: vanth!jms@amix.commodore.com (Jim Shaffer)
Several people have mentioned Chuck Harder's radio show, 'For The People',
in connection with Richard Hoagland. I also remember hearing about it
during either the Lazar or Cooper fiascos. Could anyone give me some
pointers to stations that carry it? Preferably AM, since I *know* none of
the local FM stations do.
Thanks in advance.
--
jms@vanth.UUCP
amix.commodore.com!vanth!jms
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Hoagland's Mars
Date: 6 Jan 91 19:27:02 GMT
> I heard Hoagland interviewed last night on 'For The People'
> (WWCR 7520 AM
Do you have a schedule for this show?
jbh
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From: Kurt.Lochner@f22.n14766.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Kurt Lochner)
Subject: Hoagland's program
Date: 6 Jan 91 13:01:30 GMT
> I would appreciate it if anyone able to tape the program
> would send me a copy. I will be happy to pay for it.
>
Hmmm, I think I've solve two problems here. One, my
messages might reach you this time. Two, I've looked
up the original message as to the actual transponder.
Originally scheduled for January 6, 1991 12:00 EST?
Westar 4, transponder 11
"Hoagland's Mars"
So I'll be monitoring this AM/Noon to see what, if any
is broadcast, tape will be prepared to roll/record..
Please aknowledge receipt of this message, later...
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From: Kurt.Lochner@f22.n14766.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Kurt Lochner)
Subject: Statistics
Date: 6 Jan 91 13:08:45 GMT
>
> Lazar's Element 115 .....
> .................................. 2 0.3%
Well, it said I got there, but...
Now I have it figured out, here's something that
I meant for you to get after I did some reading.
"Out There"-remarkable yet kinda hurried, which matters
little to me. I find that book to be pretty credible,
though non-commital. Yes, it answers the question that's
been in everybody's mind for some time, unanswered by
any kind of authority (plural). So, great...there IS
some kind of coverup, but what's being covered up?
As I've said earlier, the Air Force and any others
engaged in the subject have not generated a single
reason or explanation to satisfy themselves to declassify
anything of importance. Perhaps the outer "arms" of
this galaxy, the Orion Arm being our district, are a
little more crowded than even Drake's Equation permits?
"Above Top Secret" hehehe, I can't keep from skipping
ahead to see some of the more recent sightings. Again,
we have the texts of MJ-12 and several plates of some
pleasent faces, and some of the international sightings
are really well done. It's not easy reading but it's
interesting to find parts about the nuts/bolts.
And that's what I really wrote to you about..
I've been making noises about the propulsion scenarios
involved with these sighting. Letting the sightings display
the overall characteristics of such a machine saves alot of
guesswork. The international sightings pointed it out,
at least to me, when one guy said that it sounded kinda like
a refrigerator taking off.
Later in the book, a guy that was present at some questionable
crash recovery sight later on told his daughter that the craft
operate on water, and that it might threaten the oil industry.
To support this conjecture, I believe that if I was pressed
to do so, I could find a significant number of sightings
around water, and I recall some from earlier publications
of observing hoses in the water.
If you think that boiling water under pressure
does marvelous energy transfers, try thinking about water
in a partial vacumn...or ammonia, or even methane.
So, in closing, I can see that my previous posting was pretty
useless, I'll try not to waste bandwidth again until I've caught
up my reading, but I thought that I might be able to add some
useful conjecture as to what kind of "cover-up" might be occurring.
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From: Kurt.Lochner@f22.n14766.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Kurt Lochner)
Subject: Towards hardwares discussion?
Date: 6 Jan 91 13:10:42 GMT
Originally on ParaNet ET, I wrote to Pete Porro about
this Element 115. I've some education in physics and
think that I've hit on what the stuff might actually be.
You know, there's something that bothers me about Lazer.
The reports so far indicate that he's an Electro-Physicist
but I've some doubts as to that.
First off, there's nothing in Physics to support an element
with an atomic weight of 115. So here's the new thread....
If there's some exotic "element" that powers these craft
and assuming that nothing unusually different exists in the
universe in the way of physics, then I suggest the following..
I'm not a chemist at heart and wouldn't care to take it up
as another major, even for a Masters Degree. It does strike
me that the discussions that I've had with Rod Wilson here
about potentials of difference may apply, f'rinstance...
An "element", with properties resembling to present day
instrumentation an atomic wieght of 115, might be a new
sort of alloy that can be fabricated out of two, perhaps
three dissimilar metals by means of a furnace in hard vacuum
with the eternal cold/background of "outer space" as a
means of "super-quenching" the material into a solid
before the base elements can separate.
Do I need to explain "Quenching" of metals?
Ok, so this alloy, when heated again releases an exothermic
reaction of these base elements trying to separate from each
other. Hmmm, I guess a good analogy would be like freezing
a bunch of magnets together, with their "like" poles facing
each other, in another media, water or something like that.
Then you'd melt the "ice" and the magnets would "want" to
move apart, just as they should, right? Now all we need to
keep alert for is some kind of physical clues that might be
byproducts of such a reaction. Potassium has been indicated.
Heard of any others?
All of the universe is constrained by physics, Einstein was
most certainly correct, God does NOT play dice......
He plays piano and needs help tuning the damn thing!
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From: Kurt.Lochner@f22.n14766.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Kurt Lochner)
Subject: Friedman, Above Top Secret...
Date: 6 Jan 91 13:23:28 GMT
Previous text from a report reminded me of something
that I read in "Above Top Secret"....in fact, it's
something that I imagine Copernicus must have confronted,
at least in a rather "heliocentric" universe......
> begin quote..
Ironically, Friedman points to Gallup Poll results indicating
that 60 percent of Americans who have college degrees say they
believe UFOs are real. With such a receptive constituency,
why would government officials persist in what Friedman calls
the "Cosmic Watergate" -- the cover-up and denial of the New
Mexico crashes? Perhaps, some speculate, because it would be
too embarrassing now to admit that some supposedly made-in-USA
technologies actually were plagiarized from confiscated
spacecraft.
Friedman emphasizes that he's not as interested in uncovering
past misdeeds as he is in encouraging future progress.
"I believe we should have an 'Earthling" orientation rather
than nationalistic orientation. The easiest way to
demonstrate the wisdom of this is to prove that life forms
from other planets are coming here. If we can do that, then
everyone will be forced to look at our world differently, as a
part of a galactic neighborhood."
>-+-----end.
In the book, there's a quotes from a Brazillian Air Force
major about how the governments of the world were decidedly
"anthropocentric" ("man as the center of the universe") on
the subject of UFO's....
Remember Copernicus? And how he had to fight against a
view of the solar system with Earth as the center?
This tells me something, that even if there aren't other
civilizations through the universe, we've at least helped
humankind towards a humbler view of itself in the scheme of
life and civilization......
Nahhh, can't happen here.......
/&^)
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From: Kurt.Lochner@f22.n14766.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Kurt Lochner)
Subject: Hoagland's program
Date: 6 Jan 91 22:44:38 GMT
> I would appreciate it if anyone able to tape the
> program would send me a copy. I will be happy to pay
> for it.
>
Well, you aren't out any money this time. There wasn't
even a test pattern, or text announcing rescheduling...
We checked Westar 4 11 & 22 (11 with the other polarity)
at 11:00 and 12:00 CST, nothing to report on this....
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