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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 349
Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 349
Friday, January 18th 1991
Today's Topics:
Re: Couldn't resist
Re: Paranet Newsletter 348
Re: Couldn't resist
Re:Information
new book
Re: Couldn't resist
Re: Eclipse
CARP.UFO and GULF WAR
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From: pecan.cray.com!keith
Subject: Re: Couldn't resist
Date: 15 Jan 91 14:49:46 GMT
From: keith@pecan.cray.com (Keith A. Fredericks)
+ Anyhow, aside from being founded on copious and pervasive
+ fundamental errors, dubious motivation, and an overall appeal to
+ prejudice, _otherwise_, Keith's posting was just great! <grin>
Now that we all have the final judgement on the issue, we can all
rest a little easier. Thanks Rick.
-keith
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Keith Fredericks, Cray Research Inc., 655F Lone Oak Dr., Eagan, MN 55121
keith@cray.com (612)MUD-KITY Fax: (612)MUD-KLYX
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From: aa440@cleveland.freenet.edu (Dale Wedge)
Subject: Re: Paranet Newsletter 348
Date: 15 Jan 91 15:54:43 GMT
From: aa440@cleveland.freenet.edu (Dale Wedge)
In an article in ParaNet Newsletter 348, Dave Webb says:
>What are you doing on the Spaur-Neff case?
Both Rick Dell'Aquila and I (Co-SySops of the Cleveland Free-Net
UFOlogy Sig) have had a long interest in this case since it so
close to Cleveland, Ohio and our area of responsibility for the
Mutual UFO Network (MUFON) for northeast Ohio. We thought that
we would try and backtrack and piece as much information together
as possible. Also, it will be 25 years since the incident in April
of this year and that it might be an interesting article.
>If you need it, I can provide you with some data from my files on
>the case. Give me your mail address here on the net.
Dave, it is Dale B. Wedge
126 Goredon Drive
Chardon, Ohio 44024
216-285-9408
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From: pecan.cray.com!keith
Subject: Re: Couldn't resist
Date: 15 Jan 91 18:18:13 GMT
From: keith@pecan.cray.com (Keith A. Fredericks)
Mike Corbin Writes:
- Among your 'signal-to-noise' I have failed to see any substantive
- refutation of the findings that were brought forth in Rick's
- posting about the psychics. Rather than spend bandwidth on
- personal observations, why not post something that can get a non-judgmental
- discussion going pertaining to facts? It is obvious that
- the predictions made did not prove out. That is factual.
- So, what do you have in the way of refutation for this?
Why do we need to refute? I didn't see any rule that says that you
have to refute. Can't I just make an observation?
Maybe we should break it down and see what per cent of postings deal in
observation and what per cent deal in fact.
In my opinion the piece about the predictions was presented in a very
biased fashion. It made fun of, ridiculed, and condemned the line of
thought that it is possible to gain information in other ways than
via our normal sensory mechanisms.
I think it is a real hoot sometimes to look at National Enquirer
headlines too. One of my personal favorites was:
Tap the Hidden Power of Ketchup
And I would have fallen for it too, had it not been for the
vigilant intervention of the skeptical organizations reminding
me that the National Enquirer is not a reliable source of information.
Rick would like us all to focus on the sitting ducks that he has
cleverly and cunningly bagged at point-blank range with a bazooka.
Nice job, Rick.
It would really be far more enlightening and thought provoking
(and probably more challenging for Rick) to see Rick Moen posting
``refutations'' of substantive publications.
My major gripe is the editorial comment that accompanied the
news release and the overall implication. The overall implication
was that anyone who engages in the line of thought that precognition
is possible is wrong.
- Your posting about this being a judgmental list is
- inaccurate. We are only exercising our freedom to post
- results of something that was made public. Perhaps you
- could also elaborate on how we are 'judgmental' in an
- unfavorable way?
Why should I elaborate on an idea that I have raised when you have
already judged it as being inaccurate? What makes my idea inaccurate?
-keith
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Keith Fredericks, Cray Research Inc., 655F Lone Oak Dr., Eagan, MN 55121
keith@cray.com (612)MUD-KITY Fax: (612)MUD-KLYX
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: new book
Date: 15 Jan 91 16:24:02 GMT
Tired of reading about the usual saucers and greys?
Take a look at Ghosts of the Air, by Martin Caidin. It's about paranormal
incidents which involve aircraft.
Caidin goes from ghostly pilots through pilotless aircraft to a precendent
for the famous Valentich disappearance. He also fires a delightful preemptive
broadside at CSICOP.
jbh
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John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:310/8
UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name
INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG
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From: pecan.cray.com!keith
Subject: Re: Couldn't resist
Date: 16 Jan 91 15:31:57 GMT
From: keith@pecan.cray.com (Keith A. Fredericks)
Rick Moen Writes:
- Keith would no doubt criticise the National Geographic Society
- for allegedly creating the implication that astronomy is not
- worthy of study, since it never has articles on that subject.
- He would say that carpenters imply that _only wood_ is worthy of
- use in construction, because they don't use steel girders, that
- physicists imply that chemistry is not worthy of scrutiny because
- they don't do titrations, etc.
Clever idea, but what I was referring to was the pivotal idea of
skepticism that it is a ``healthy'' part of all science. This
is probably the best argument for having a ``skeptics' movement,''
that is, to be ever vigilant in the quest for good science.
This argument loses some momentum, however when we find that:
- The purpose of the skeptics' movement _happens to be_ the
- critical examination of fringe science/medicine and paranormal
- claims (which doesn't entail 'belief' or "preaching", by the
- way). That happens to just be a basic fact. That's what the
- field _concerns_. It is ludicrous to suggest that it _must also_
- be the skeptics' business to cover every branch of mainstream
- science. They have a vast enough territory to cover, as it is.
You are telling us then that your ``job description'' is to
focus on this one area of investigation. The implication is
that you want to focus on this one area of investigation because
you feel that there is more ``funny business'' going on in this
area than in other areas of investigation.
So, the skeptics' organizations are set up for much the same
reasons as a commission might be set up to investigate allegations
of organized crime. Except, since the skeptical organizations were
not formed due to any official action of a scientific organization,
the skeptics organizations are more like vigilante groups. As
we all know, vigilante groups are prone to excesses such as the
``lynch-mob mentality,'' and should be avoided whenever possible.
- Isn't it interesting that Keith didn't fault BAS's press release
- for any _inaccuracies_? One might almost think that Keith regards
- fact-determination as unimportant, that the key thing on Paranet
- is that no one to be scared off by 'judgement' (which seems to
- mean any attempt to distinguish fact from fiction).
As far as I can tell, the fact-determination that you are talking
about is the determination that these tabloid psychic predictions
did not come true. I don't think that qualifies as being worthy
of much attention at all unless you are interested in statements
of the obvious.
Try to choose issues of substance for your ``fact-determination.''
- Anyhow, aside from being founded on copious and pervasive
- fundamental errors, dubious motivation, and an overall appeal to
- prejudice, _otherwise_, Keith's posting was just great! <grin>
It is true, flame-retardant underwear is not enough! I need waders.
-keith
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Keith Fredericks, Cray Research Inc., 655F Lone Oak Dr., Eagan, MN 55121
keith@cray.com (612)MUD-KITY Fax: (612)MUD-KLYX
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From: Daniel.O'donnell@f222.n260.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Daniel O'donnell)
Subject: Re: Eclipse
Date: 14 Jan 91 22:58:01 GMT
KL> I've been reading Sagan's latest snoring collection of
KL> billions of adjectives..it's about nuclear winter.
KL> It was mentioned in retort to me by a friend that even
KL> a conventional war would have firestorms sufficient to
KL> raise absorbing particulate matter. The parallel given
KL> to support this was the cruel winters of WWII.
KL> Petroleum "smoke" of an even more recent study was modeled
KL> to simulate this effect of lowering the surface temps.
KL> Something like 5-10 degrees was consider'd quite harmful
What happens when you have a Nuclear Winter while you have Global Warming from
the GreenHouse Effect?
Does the whole planet become confused, and start wobbling? A schitzo planet...
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Daniel O'donnell - via FidoNet node 1:310/8
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INTERNET: Daniel.O'donnell@f222.n260.z1.FIDONET.ORG
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From: vm1.yorku.ca!YSCS1296
Subject: CARP.UFO and GULF WAR
Date: 17 Jan 91 20:23:00 GMT
From: User <YSCS1296@vm1.yorku.ca>
With the recent turn of events, can we focus a bit on the validity of
what CARP.UFO may be telling us? I know I came across it quite a few
months prior to the Kuwait invasion, but does anyone have the exact date
of its release to the public? Was there, in the media, any information
at all which could lead to the author 'predicting' the events in the
middle-east? If not, then how closely do the world events correlate with
the file's warnings? If Israel is invaded successfully by Hussein, are
we to expect a Red Chinese retailation via biochemical warheads in the
Artic? What exactly is the Red Chinese stance at this time? It seems they
are unusually quiet. How do you view the involvement of the Stealth fighters
in the air campaign? UFO technology, as we have been told? The aim of
going to war due to oil is but a theory. What is the alternative theory?
This war has been predicted to occur by many occult methods (psychic,
astrological, religious, legendary, etc...) and I have heard that it wil
last 30 years. That does not correlate with the A.D. 2000 scenario (where
that year is the deadline for world-wide apocylapse/alien invasion) told
by the Bible, and other such texts (of which Arabian scriptures are a big
part). In my view, we are looking at more than a 'fog of war' coverup.
There is more at work than technical fog, and the usual expected disinformation
as a result of military strategy. Comments?
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