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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 318
Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 318
Friday, October 19th 1990
Today's Topics:
Horse-patooties and sonic booms
Re: Mystery Teletype
Re: Mystery Teletype
Faked UFO Pictures
Aviation Week & Space Tec
Horse-patooties And Sonic Booms
Horse-patooties and sonic booms
Odd aircraft and X-31
Re: Faked Ufo Pictures
The Salisberrys
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From: Tom Betz <tbetz@upaya.UCAR.EDU>
Subject: Horse-patooties and sonic booms
Date: 16 Oct 90 04:11:59 GMT
| From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
|
| I'm terribly sorry, but the preceding articles are horse patooties. A craft
| travelling at such a tremendous speed would HAVE to create a sonic boom.
| Since no sonic boom was reported, the entire article has to be classed as
| highly suspect.
(Presuming you ain't jivin' here) That ain't necessarily so.
Aerodynamicists have been working very hard on controlling the
shock wave around supersonic craft, reducing the included angle
of the cone, and 'wrapping' it around the craft itself, so it
never hits the ground, hence can not be heard.
It is quite possible that this has been accomplished in some of
these black-budget aircraft.
I'll review the postings again, and seek out this set of AvWeek
articles, to see if mention of this is made.
| Well, that's exactly the kind of crap you hear in the FIDO SCIENCE echo
| anytime you mention UFOs.
Now, now, no need to slam these poor fools...
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'Ever since the fateful day when Al heard about |
that `Follow Your Bliss' thing, it's been just | Tom Betz - GBS
cannoli, cannoli, and more cannoli.' - Peter Hannah | (914) 375-1510
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From: John.Burke@f20.n1011.z9.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke)
Subject: Re: Mystery Teletype
Date: 15 Oct 90 01:26:00 GMT
JD> ...many people seem to want to shift the focus from whether Mr. Ed
> is on the up and up, to attacking those who don't support Mr. Ed.
Jim:
I'm also amused by the tactic (as demonstrated by Budd Hopkins on
pg 20 of the July-Aug `90 issue of _IUR_) of using Ed's children as
"human shields" to absorb the charges of "HOAXER!" being fired at
Ed. In this way such a critic can be characterized as besmirching the
reputations of innocent *children*. (-- which just happens to be what
Ed did to Tom Mock and now Tommy Smith.)
When did Laura or Dan Walters ever go on the record as claiming to
have seen Ed take any of his photographs? Noone could be blamed for
attempting to implicate Laura or Dan in a hoax unless these kids had
made such a claim.
-- John
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: Mystery Teletype
Date: 15 Oct 90 15:30:00 GMT
> Am I reading your messages correctly?? You are saying that
> Ed's videos show that the UFO stayed within one video scanline
> and that is verification of authenticity???
My info came from Bruce Maccabee's paper on his analysis of the
video. I'll have to re-read it to be sure of all the details, and I'll
let you know.
jbh
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From: Charlie Turner <CHARLIE@umvma.bitnet>
Subject: Faked UFO Pictures
Date: 16 Oct 90 17:54:51 GMT
Speaking of faked UFO pictures, one of the TV network home video shows
(on ABC I think) announced a contest for people to send in their
best fake UFO videos. Best presumably in this context means funniest,
most outrageous, etc. I can't wait to see what they come up with!
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From: Michael.Corbin@f110.n208.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Aviation Week & Space Tec
Date: 13 Oct 90 14:42:00 GMT
* Forwarded from "Fido UFO Echo"
* Originally from Harrison Hopper
* Originally dated 10-09-90 16:09
First of all, there was no new information in this weeks Aviation Week &
Space Technology (October 8, 1990) on any developments in the Nevada desert.
However, there was an interesting letter to the editor regarding one of
the aircraft mentioned in the earlier articles:
At the recent Tailhook Symposium, I listened to the first public briefing
on the Navy's newest attack aircraft, the A-12 Avenger. After the presentation,
I saw someone I had not seen for several years.
"Hey, did you see the A-12 presentation?" I asked.
"Yes," he said, smirking, the grin indigenous to everyone associated with
a "black" program.
"What did you think of it?" I asked.
"I can't talk about it," he said.
"Why not?" I asked.
"Well, I've been on the program for a long time and it's very classified
and I mean very."
"I'm not asking you to reveal classified information," I insisted. "I
merely wondered what you thought of the briefing."
"If I were to comment on the briefing, that might add credence to
something they said, and that could be construed as divulging classified
information," my acquantance said.
"Don't you think you're carrying 'classified information' a little too
far?" I asked.
"Are you kidding?" my colleage replied. "Listen, this program has been so
tight that we were not even allowed to sit near someone eating a bag of Dorito
Corn Chips."
"Why not?" I akded incredulously.
"Because if we sat close to someone eating a Dorito, that might be
construed as acknowledging the shape of the aircraft," he said.
My wife, a fan of Katherine Anne Porter, turned to me and said: "Obviously
the code name for the program when it was 'black' must have been 'A Chip of
Fools.'"
Perhaps the real name of the airplane should have been the A-12 Dorito.
James P. Stevenson
Rancho Santa Fe, Calif.
Actually, the A-12 *is* shaped like a Dorito!
hop
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From: Michael.Corbin@f110.n207.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Horse-patooties And Sonic Booms
Date: 16 Oct 90 14:53:00 GMT
> From: postmaster@scicom.alphacdc.com
> Date: 16 Oct 90 04:11:59 GMT
> Message-ID: <7247@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM>
> Newsgroups: info.paranet
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> From: Tom Betz <tbetz@upaya.UCAR.EDU>
I am curious as to what part microwaves play in aerodynamics. I
have heard that microwaves are used. For what?
Thanks,
Mike
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Horse-patooties and sonic booms
Date: 17 Oct 90 06:13:00 GMT
> (Presuming you ain't jivin' here)
Jivin' I is, Tom. I know they've been working on it, and furthermore I know
they'll eventually solve the problem. I only raised the point to show how
short-sighted some "scientific types" can be.
Jim
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From: '23BMSDO' <23bmsdo@sacemnet.af.mil>
Subject: Odd aircraft and X-31
Date: 18 Oct 90 07:51:53 GMT
Mike -
I think there is more to the recent Roswell fly-bys than first meets the
eye. After talking to the Flight Service Station people at Roswell field
less than a week afterward ...they made some comments that didn't point to
USAF aircraft. We don't drop flares and chaff on civilians.
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Jim Speiser - I'll be at Edwards AFB this weekend(19-21 Oct) and if I see
anything I'll be sure not to tell you. Especially if I run across any of
Lazar's saucers!!(grin). Here is something that might tickle your
interest:.................
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X-31 MAKES FIRST SUCCESSFUL FLIGHT
The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA)/U. S. Navy X-31A
Enhanced Fighter Maneuverability demonstrator aircraft today successfully
completed its first flight.
The X-31 took off from runway 07 at Rockwell International's Palmdale,
Calif., facility at 12:36 p.m. (PDT). During the 38-minute flight, the X-31
accelerated to a speed of approximately 340 mils per hour and reached an
altitude of 10,000 feet. The plane returned to Palmdale and will now undergo
additional air worthiness tests and then begin to fully expand its operating
envelope in subsequent lights, which are expected shortly.
During the flight, the plane, flown by Rockwell chief test pilot Ken
Dyson, exhibited the expected flying qualities and subsystem performance.
The X-31's operating envelope includes controlled flight beyond the
aircraft's aerodynamic lift limit ('high angles of attack'). This capability
is achieved through a highly sophisticated digital flight control system that
includes an integrated vectored thrust system using thrust vectoring paddles.
The X-31 is intended to demonstrate whether it is possible to controllably
exploit this high angle of attack flight regime and thus allow a fighter
aircraft to achieve tighter, faster turns, which would be a definie tactical
advantage during close in combat.
After watching the first flight Lt. Col. John 'Tack' Nix, the X-31
program manager at DARPA, stated that, 'We really are anxious to expand the
flight envelope and put the X-31 through its paces. This first flight repre-
sents a triumph of trust and perseverance of the integrated Rockwell/MBB/U.S.
Navy/German/DARPA team. The flight test phase will continue to require the
very best efforts of all organizations involved to fully demonstrate the unique
maneuvering potential contained in the two X-31 airframes.'
The X-31 is the first international experimental aircraft development
program undertaken by the U.S. The U.S. contractor building the two demonstra-
tor aircraft is Rockwell International; Messerschmitt-Bolkow-Blohm (MBB) is the
German contractor. The Naval Air Systems Command is DARPA's agent for the U.S.
portion of theprogram and is providing both technical management and contract-
ing support.
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Enjoy....
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From: Mike.Keithly@f320.n207.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mike Keithly)
Subject: Re: Faked Ufo Pictures
Date: 19 Oct 90 05:11:00 GMT
Maybe Ed Walters Paper Plates??
Mike Keithly
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: The Salisberrys
Date: 18 Oct 90 18:00:00 GMT
JS> Forgive me if I've asked this before, but what do you know
JS> about Rex and Carol Salisberry now claiming to be convinced
JS> that Ed is a hoaxer? I have now heard this from two
JS> sources.
Rex has never said that to me. He's generally stayed away from the Ed
controversy. I'll give him a call this weekend and see if he'll say anything
about it.
Rex is a very solid hardware-type investigator, so I don't think he'd be
going on hearsay or opinions.
I'll pass along anything I find out.
jbh
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