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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 296
Friday, August 31st 1990
Today's Topics:
Re: A Fax from Phil Klass
Re: "Out There" / Howard Blum
Re: Prophecy
Re: Prophecy
Re: Gulf Breeze Six
Indian Point (1)
Indian Point (2)
Indian Point (3)
Mystery Teletype
Re: "out There" / Howard Blum
Re: Lazar
Re: Prophecy
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From: John.Burke@f20.n1011.z9.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke)
Subject: Re: A Fax from Phil Klass
Date: 21 Aug 90 04:55:00 GMT
Jim & Ted:
Please pass my apologies along to Phil the Thrill. The
way my message was quoted made it sound like the typeface issue
established the authenticity of the Truman letter. That quote was from
a discussion I was having with John Hicks, wherein I pointed out that
Stanton got the $1,000 from Phil on the typestyle issue only and that
*Phil established that the Truman letter was a forgery because Truman's
signature was a third-generation photocopy.* The only mistake I made
was in associating the bet with the Truman letter rather than the
Cutler-Twining memo, which was proven by CAUS to have been planted in
the National Archives.
Please tell Phil that I'm behind him 1000% on this MJ-12 hoax
and that I'm glad my confusing these two forged documents provoked him
into getting his side of the story on line here.
Best regards -- John Burke
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From: John.Burke@f20.n1011.z9.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke)
Subject: Re: "Out There" / Howard Blum
Date: 28 Aug 90 06:21:00 GMT
Mike:
Blum worked for the _New York Times_. He wrote _Wanted (A
search for Nazis in America)_ and _I Pledge Allegiance_, the story of
the Walker Spy Ring.
I'm about halfway through right now. Although some people that
he's covering "old ground", I've found plenty of new stuff that makes
it worthwhile, as well as different angles (from new sources) on some
familiar cases. He points out that the CIA was intensely interested in
and impressed with, the Lonnie Zamora case. His history on SETI could
have just as well been done by Sagan, until the part where the NSA
takes over the program. He "ambushed" one SETI insider by confronting
him with his own words which directed that a "possible contact"
incident should be squelched -- and he really heated the guy up!
He also discussed the story which you once mentioned to me about
the "suspicious signals" received by Frank Drake during Project Ozma.
Anyway, I find the "outsider" investigative reporter's insight into UFO
Affair to be exciting and perhaps, more professionally investigated --
(at least so far). -- John
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From: Rich.Woods@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Rich Woods)
Subject: Re: Prophecy
Date: 29 Aug 90 05:51:00 GMT
This was a file I got maybe a year ago - it was about a doctor who had a
patient well it is involved - I may post it as a text file if you people
want it....
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From: Rich.Woods@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Rich Woods)
Subject: Re: Prophecy
Date: 29 Aug 90 05:53:00 GMT
No, actually it was a patient of his that was given the propheies thru an
angel (archangel). He pursued this matter and had his medical license
revoked by the state he was practicving in...I may get all the info and
re[post this....It is quite interesting...at least it is better (?) than the
latest Elvis statue on Mars....
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From: Brian.Redman@f2.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Brian Redman)
Subject: Re: Gulf Breeze Six
Date: 28 Aug 90 01:59:23 GMT
> In a message of <08 Aug 90 17:54:40>, Brian Redman (9:1012/2) writes:
>
> > I am more or less unknowledgeable in this area. What books do
> you >recommend?
>
> One of the first books I read was titled "Flying Saucers - Serious
> Business" by Frank Edwards. That was a looong time ago but you may
> find it in your library which is the best place to start.
>
> I would recommend "Above Top Secret" by Timothy Good. ISBN
> 0-688-09292-0. This covers the phenomena from 1943 to 1981 worldwide.
OK thanks. By chance(?) I just went to the library last Saturday
and checked out "Above Top Secret." Only have read about the British
sightings so far.
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From: Paul.Faeder@p0.f0.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Paul Faeder)
Subject: Indian Point (1)
Date: 31 Aug 90 05:36:11 GMT
This is the sequel to the file I posted last week. Posted here in 3 messages.
With permission by the author Phil Imbrogno.
Incident At Indian Point
Part II
By: Philip J. Imbrogno
In the first part of this article I presented a very dramatic sighting of
a UFO by New York State Power Authority Police officers stationed at the
Indian Point Nuclear reactor in Buchanan, New York. The guards at the
Indian point complex had a close encounter with a UFO that has been
appearing in the Hudson Valley area of New York for the past six
years.These sightings are documented in my book NIGHT SIEGE THE HUDSON
VALLEY UFO SIGHTINGS, (Ballantine Books 1987).
The sighting of the UFO from the reactor area took place on July 24th
1984 at about 10:20.PM. The sighting took place on the same night the UFO
was video taped in Brewster, New York which is located about twenty miles
east of Buchanan. This video tape was looked at twice by scientists from
the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California and the image on the
video still remains unidentified to this day. The entire Indian point
sighting was brought to my attention when one of the guards at the plant
contacted me. To protect his identity I refer to him as "Jeff". Had it not
been for Jeff coming forward with his story, the entire incredible sighting
at Indian Point would have never been known. The Indian Point incident is
the first case where a UFO was confirmed being over a Nuclear Reactor.
My first meeting with Jeff (as reported in the last issue of UFO
Universe) covered the basic facts of a truly amazing encounter by 12 guards
at the reactor complex with a UFO that was reported to have hovered 300
feet above reactor number three for fifteen minutes. The UFO according to
several of the officers was at least 900 feet from end to end.
The second meeting with Jeff was at his request, since at the first
meeting he was relactant to get into any details. I agreed to meet with him
on October 4th 1984, at 11:00 Pm at a place called the By- Pass Diner in
Peekskill, New York. Jeff showed up on time and was in civilan clothes. He
insisted that he not be taped recorded and proceeded to fill in the gaps in
the information that he gave me at our previous meeting. Jeff focused in on
the July 24th sighting, since this was the date that the UFO caused a near
panic at the reactor complex. With me at this second meeting was Fred
Dennis, a seasoned UFO investigator and close friend.
The July 24th 1984 encounter was more incredible than we first thought.
As the object approached the east gate of the reactor complex the sensors
that detect movement shut down and the entire alarm system failed. At this
time Jeff radioed for assistance and several other officers left their
posts and joined him at the east end of the plant to watch the object
approach. Inside the security console the computer that controls all
security and communications shut down. The cameras were still however
functioning and we know for sure that the object was video taped. To this
day , however the New York Power Authority (NYPA), and the Nuclear
Regulatory Commission (NRC), deny that any such tape or recordings exist.
The UFO continued to approach and hovered above reactor number three, the
only reactor operational at the time. The commander at the plant took the
proper action and the guards were armed with shot guns and given the order
to fire upon the UFO if it did not move away from the plant. Although the
entire plants security was alerted and the officers were well armed they
felt helpless and were afarid to fire upon the object because its size
overwhelmed them. The object was reported to have been the size of three
football fields and its bright white lights glared out the entire sky.
One female officer was on a nearby plant building and started to draw her
weapon, but put it away when she realized that her hand gun would have no
effect on an object of that size. At least 12 guards were called to the
scene all armed a ready for the final order to open fire upon the UFO.
The commander of security then called Camp Smith, an New York National
Guard base located north of Peekskill, New York and requested air support
to shoot down the intruder. The commander also requested identification of
the object, but no agency that was contacted could identify the intruder. I
am not sure if the communication o Camp Smith was done by phone or radio. I
was informed that most security communications are done by computer to
computer, but since the computer was down radio or phone must have been
used. As the helicopter left the Camp, the object moved away from the
plant. It was as if who ever was in the giant UFO knew and moved away to
avoid a confrontation.
I am not sure if the helicopter pilots ever saw the UFO. I do have some
unconfirmed sightings from Peekskill residents who saw a helicopter
following the UFO. he helicopter was observed in bincoulars by one
Peekskill resident Vietnam Veteran who said it was a "gunship" similar to
the "choppers" used in the war.
The UFO then picked up speed and was soon lost in the North West section
of the sky, somewhere over the Hudson River. At the time of the sighting,
hundreds of Peekskill residents were calling police reporting the UFO. I
talked with a number of residents who saw the object move away from the
Nuclear power plant. Their description of the object are identical to what
the guards Indian Point saw over the reactor.
The next day the commander called in all the guards involved and informed
them that "Nothing Happened". They were all ordered to forget the entire
incident. All radio communications that night were taped, but according to
the plant supervisor the tapes no longer exist. I was informed that they
only keep the tapes for a short time, then they erase them and use them
over. I talked with several people who work in security, one of them for
another nuclear plant. I was told by this security expert that the tapes
are kept if an incident took place. I was also told that all the security
cameras at a Nuclear plant use video tape, and that the tape is turned on
if an incident takes place. Yet, the NYPA denies using any video during the
UFO incident.
Fred and I met with Jeff for about one hour and thirty minutes that
night. As we walked out to our cars Jeff told us that he would keep in
touch and give us any new information that might come up. We did not know
at the time that security at the plant was already covering up the incident
and we would never hear from Jeff again.
Fred and I began to drive back to Greenwich Connecticut taking route 9
through Ossining, New York. The time was about one in the morning and we
were both pretty tired, but still excited about the story we were just
told. After all, these were well trained ex-New York State Cops. There was
no doubt that they saw something that was not of coventional origin. But
what was it? How could something the size of three football fields fly over
three counties, hover over a nuclear reactor for fifteen minutes, then
disappear without a trace? How could the entire event take place without
sometype of military involvement? These were questions that we could not
answer,but it seemed clear that the military had no power over the
mysterious visitor that night.
[cont'd]
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From: Paul.Faeder@p0.f0.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Paul Faeder)
Subject: Indian Point (2)
Date: 31 Aug 90 05:35:07 GMT
We continued to drive, the night was clear and chilly. I looked toward
the south and saw a number of flashing lights about forty five degrees from
us. The lights flashed in sequence and were very bright. I said to Fred"
What's that", Fred replied "THAT'S IT!. Fred Stopped the car and I turned
around to look for the binoculars in the back seat. I could not find the
binoculars so I turned around once again to see the lights. We saw about
five lights that were mostly white in color, but seemed to have a slight
lime green tinge to them. As we watched the lights, ( which were in the
shape of a half circle) turned on their side like a ferris wheel and rolled
toward the west. We lost the object behind some trees, so we moved the car
to clear the trees. When we did the lights could not be found, they were
gone. It was like they never existed, they just vanished!
There was no doubt that the lights were connected some some solid object.
We heard no noise and although this object was large,, it seemed very thin.
Also we never really saw any dark structure connecting the lights. I
thought I may have seen a dark mass behind the lights when I first saw
them, but I can't say for sure. How strange, this was our first sighting of
the Hudson Valley UFO and it took us quite by surprise. We never expected
to see anything. In the past the UFO always appeared between eight and ten
PM, we only had one or two other cases of sightings later than midnite.
Also, was it just a coincidence that the object appeared to us after our
interview with Jeff? Although we only saw this object for about thirty
seconds it was enough to keep us excited for weeks. I can see why Jeff and
his fellow officers were awed by this object.
I filed a number of Freedom of Information Act requests (FOIA) with the
Nuclear Requlatory Commission. The response from them indicated that they
had no record of the event taking place. I also filed an FOIA with Indian
Point. I was informed by the manager of the plant that the NYPA is not
subject to the Freedom of Information Act. I was also told that no
information on the incident would be released because it could possibly
jeopardize plant security.
On October 29th 1984 Fred and I were once again in the Westchester area
doing some follow up research. At 9:00 I called my home to see if there
were any messages, indeed there were many. It seems that there were UFO
sightings over Westchester and Putnam county that night. Most of the calls
came from local residents and local police from Westchester towns. All the
reports were similar a giant well lite object the size of a football field
sporting multicolored lights. One call came from radio station WVIP in Mt.
Kisco New York. The local newsperson video taped the object that night. I
then called the station and went over to see it since we were only about
twenty minutes from there.
Fred and I arrived at the station and wwere greeted by veteranNewsman
Gerry Culliton. Mr. Cullition told me that at about 8:15 they started to
get calls about a UFO heading toward the direction of the station. He then
hooked up a portable VCR camera and went outside and saw a series of bright
lights approaching the station from the east. The lights passed at about a
thirty degree angle from the station. The lights then turned and went to
the northwest.
He then began playing the video tape for us, it showed a series of
lights that were flashing. The tape was interesting but not as good as the
video taken in Brewster, New York on July 24, 1984. As we watched the tape
Mr. Culliton asked me if I would do a special news report for the station
concerning the recent UFO sightings. I did the story and also mentioned the
sightings at Indian Point that took place several months before. The story
was aired that night and several times during the following day.
The next day (October 30th) I received a call from the Reporter Dispatch,
a local Westchester county newspaper. The reporter called me to get more
information about the Indian Point sightings. He had already called the
Reactor plant and talked with the spokesman a Mr. Carl Patrick. The
reporter informed me that Mr. Patrick confirmed the sighting of a UFO by
security guards on duty at the Indian Point complex 3. The reporter then
did a story which came out the next day. When I picked up the paper I was
shocked to see the headline on the front page "DID ALIENS BUZZ INDIAN
POINT". I had wished they would have played it down a little since neither
I or the guards at Indian Point claimed that the UFO was an alien
spaceship.
Gerry Culliton from WVIP radio was also doing his own investigation into
the sightings over Indian Point. Gerry is an excellent newsperson and will
dig and dig until he gets the facts on a story. Gerry gave me a call to
tell me what he found out.Although the conversation was about thiry minutes
long, I edited out much of the material and included the important facts.
Gerry: We released the story and got a good number of calls from
newspapers and the people at Indian Point.
Phil: My concern is not to get anybody in trouble.
Gerry: we didn't release any of the guards names. Indian point admitted to
the sightings to me. I called Carl Patrick at Indian Point and I talked to
him. He told me yes, there definitely were sightings. He said that the
State Police did an investigation and arrested four Cessna pilots.
Phil: I heard that story. I called the New York State Police and nobody
was arrested.
Gerry: I know that's what I told them, I checked on it. I asked him if
they made out and incident report and I asked for a copy. He told me " Yes,
we did, but the report is not available and all security measures have been
taken to protect our own security" I then said," OK can you tell me if they
fired upon the thing?" he said, and I quote, "I can not confirm or deny
that the guards fired upon it, but they did what was necessary to protect
the plant".
[cont'd]
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From: Paul.Faeder@p0.f0.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Paul Faeder)
Subject: Indian Point (3)
Date: 31 Aug 90 05:35:43 GMT
Phil: I think this story has gone out of being just another UFO story. It
seems its a matter of an unkown object violating the security of a nuclear
reactor.
Gerry: The newspaper seems to be more interested in a story about Indian
Points security rather than the UFO sighting.
Several hours after the article appeared in the Westchester paper I
received a call from the cheif of security from the New York Power
Authority in New York City. This person informed me that they were well
aware of my second meeeting with Jeff and that I was told information that
was vital to Indian Point security. They also knew that I was planning to
write a book about the Hudson Valley sightings(now published) and because
of security reasons I was going to be forced to not mention anything about
the Indian Point sightings.
In the following days I got several more calls from the NYPA and this time
they wanted me to come to a hearing in New York city. They wanted to know
everything I was told about the incident. At the time I was working closely
with John G. Fuller ( author of Incident at Exeter and the Interrupted
Journey,the story of Barney and Betty Hill) John had written a book about
the dangers of nuclear reactors and was very experienced with their
security people since they tried to block his book. John told me to release
all the facts about the sightings and to ignore their threats. I did both.
The Indian point sightings were exposed nation wide for the first time in
the TV show "INTO THE UNKOWN" I never heard from the the NYPA after that.
As the months went by I began to make some contacts with a number of
employees at Indian Point. I was told that since the sighting government
people came on a regular basis to the plant. I was also told that
sophisticated electronic and optical equipment was placed on the roof of
the largest building at the reactor site. The equipment was being operated
by government agents and staffed twenty four hours a day.
I was still hoping to get something on record, a document, tape recording
ect. Something to prove some of the stories I was being told. I later found
out that the Nuclear Regulatory Commission came in the day after the
sighting and cleaned out the file cabients and took all audio and video
tapes. These documents and tapes must have been turned over to another
agency, since the NRC and Indian point claim they have no documents of
anykind concerning the July 24th 1984 UFO encounter.
I continued to gather information from my informers. I found out that
reactor number three had a crack in its casing which the plant officials
were trying to keep hidden from the public. According to my information the
crack appeared after the July 24th encounter. This crack was later
confirmed in 1988 when New York TV news stations carried a story about the
reactor casing being cracked and "small" amounts of radioactive steam being
released. It seems that my contacts did have accurate information and to
this day I am still getting information about the UFO incident and I now
have more faith in my informers.
I was also told of a power drain which the military and NRC were very
concerned about. It seems that somewhere along the line, power was being
drained off. The feeling was that the power drain was actually power being
stolen, but by who. One of my contacts who works in the high security area
overheard a conversation between an Airforce Colonel and a number of plain
clothes government agents (agency unkown) and plant managers. Although most
of the conversation was in whispers,my informer was able to determine that
it did concern the power drain. The Colonel then yelled as if in anger to
the other men, and this was heard very clear by my contact: " I don't care
if they are from outer space shoot them"
Over the past several years I have seen most of the details of the Indian
Point UFO encounter confirmed. In 1987 I spoke at the first Omega
Communications UFO conference in North Haven, Connecticut. After my talk I
was approached by a gentleman who was heavily involved in the creation and
supervising of security at nuclear reactor plants in the State of
Connecticut. He told me that he read the chapter about Indian Point in
NIGHT SIEGE and they he knew all the guards and people involved and that he
talked with them. He then said "Phil, everything you said in the book was
correct, you were right on target". He later told me that a great deal more
took place than what was covered in the book, but he really could not talk
about it.
I will continue to investigate the Indian Point sightings. Hopefully,
someday soon I will have documents to tell the entire story.
[end]
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From: Jim.Speiser@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Mystery Teletype
Date: 30 Aug 90 23:51:00 GMT
Just a little something to add to the brouhaha over the Gulf Breeze Six.
The following teletyped message was received by the Gulf Breeze Sentinel on
7/25/90:
<<
ABC, NBC CBS, AP, UPI
US ARMY:
FREE THE GULF BREEZE SIX.
WE HAVE THE MISSING FILES, THE BOX OF 500+ PHOTOS AND
THE PLANS YOU WANT BACK.
HERE IS PROOF WITH CLOSE-UPS CUT OUT.
NEXT WE SEND THE CLOSE-UPS AND THEN EVERYTHING
UNLESS THEY ARE RELEASED.
ANSWER CODE AUGSBB3CM
>>
The message was accompanied by several photos.
Three days after it was received, charges against all of the Gulf Breeze Six
were dropped, and they were given general discharges by the Army.
Source: Saucer Smear 8/25/90
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From: Michael.Corbin@f3206.n207.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Re: "out There" / Howard Blum
Date: 31 Aug 90 08:12:00 GMT
> Anyway, I find the "outsider" investigative reporter's
> insight into UFO Affair to be exciting and perhaps, more
> professionally investigated -- (at least so far).
Good to see you here, John. I need your phone number so I can
call you voice sometime. Seems as though I lost it in the
shuffle <grin>.
I am about halfway through the book, too. I have found it
interesting for various reasons, particularly Blum's apparent
penetration of the "inpenetrable" intelligence community. Our
cohorts have been trying to do what Blum does in one meeting with
an NSA guy. Seems kinda odd to me. As a matter of fact, it
rings of the 'ol days of J. Allen Hynek, Bob Emenegger, and Linda
Howe, to name a few of the journalists that have been approached
to release the information to the public.
There are other things too, but I will get into that later.
Mike
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From: Michael.Corbin@f3206.n207.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Re: Lazar
Date: 31 Aug 90 08:15:00 GMT
> what was Lazar convicted of?????
Prostitution, of course. <grin>
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From: Michael.Corbin@f3206.n207.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Re: Prophecy
Date: 31 Aug 90 08:18:00 GMT
> This was a file I got maybe a year ago - it was about a
> doctor who had a patient well it is involved - I may post
> it as a text file if you people want it....
That file appeared originally on ParaNet. Dr. Corder sent it to
us and wanted us to post it. Although it has a lot of verbage to
it, nothing has come true. We were denouncing it as a load of
garbage as we were making it available to our users.
Mike
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