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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 312
Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 312
Friday, October 5th 1990
Today's Topics:
Re: Mystery Teletype
Kecksburg Ufo
Re: KECKSBURG INCIDENT
Re: Mystery Teletype
UFO advocate gets his day in court
strange aircraft sighted in western U.S.
Re: Mystery Teletype
Re: Kecksburg Incident
Re: Kecksburg Incident
Re: Bill Cooper's Book
Re: Mystery Teletype
Gulf Breeze
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: Mystery Teletype
Date: 2 Oct 90 16:19:00 GMT
MC> What about the possibility that has been raised that the
MC> model is on a pole?
That seems logical except that during the object's motions, its apparent
altitude never varies more than one to two video scan lines. If you consider
that video is interlaced, that's just about the amount of displacement
caused by successive frames.
I think, logically, it would be impossible for anyone to hold up a pole
and walk around and not get more altitude variations.
Also, the horizontal motion is consistent; that is, if it was a model on
top of a pole, it wasn't waving around.
I looked closely at a copy of the video several times, and I think what
caused the blinking streetlights was a foreground bush. I think I could see
some kind of dim bush shape.
There's one point where the streetlights seem to move, and I believe that
was caused by Ed moving from one side of the bush to the other so his view
wouldn't be blocked.
If you can, get ahold of a copy of Maccabee's analysis of the video. It's
interesting reading.
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Kecksburg Ufo
Date: 2 Oct 90 16:19:01 GMT
MC> How are things your way?
Pretty good. It's amazing how many people locally are interested in
ufo-related stuff. I had no idea.
jbh
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From: Allen.Roberts@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Allen Roberts)
Subject: Re: KECKSBURG INCIDENT
Date: 3 Oct 90 10:36:11 GMT
I don't know how we can heighten people's awareness. And I wouldn't count on
pressuring the Government as the way to get things going. I am certain this is
basically a highly classified program whose security requirements are similar
to other classified programs on which I have worked. We have to sign a paper
saying we will never say anything about it, even if the whole world learned of
it the very next day. This paper will be kept for 70, yes 70 years regardless
of whether we are alive or not. And if we talk then we will go to jail or
worse. That's why you hear of many many people only talking about whatever
they saw or learned after 40 years or so have gone by and they are on Social
Security. They figure what can the Govt do to me now.
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: Mystery Teletype
Date: 3 Oct 90 20:04:00 GMT
CM> Very intesting indeed. What does Lee Elder and/or his wife
CM> say about this?
Dunno. I'm not really up on the Meier case.
jbh
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From: David.Stager@f320.n207.z1.FIDONET.ORG (David Stager)
Subject: UFO advocate gets his day in court
Date: 4 Oct 90 16:58:00 GMT
10/02/90 UFO advocate gets another day in court
RICHMOND, Va. -- An Army publicist who claims he received a
poor job evaluation because of his off-duty efforts to expose military
UFO coverups argued before a federal appeals panel he needs an
injunction to protect him from his supervisors' ire.
But a three-judge panel of the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of
Appeals suggested Tuesday the entire case may be unnecessary since the
offending evaluation had already been excised from Larry Bryant's file.
Bryant, 52, a 32-year civil service veteran from Alexandria who
works as a civilian editor for the Army News Service, claimed his First
Amendment right to free speech was violated because his job rating was
based in part on his longtime interest in UFOs and the military.
In 1985, after running ads asking for help in ending "the
Cosmic Watergate," Bryant received his first-ever unsatisfactory job
rating. Bryant sued, claiming the Army was trying to block his search
for Army whistleblowers. The Defense Department later agreed to stop
bothering him about the ads, but Bryant continued to press his First
Amendment case.
The U.S. District Court in Alexandria threw the case out,
saying there were other ways to settle the matter besides a lawsuit.
The 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals agreed, but the U.S. Supreme
court overturned them both and ordered a hearing.
As the July 1989 trial began, Bryant asked for a delay because
a key witness
-- a supervisor who allegedly was out to get him because he was "an
embarrassment" -- was on assignment in Antartica. The court proceeded
without the witness, ruled in favor of the government, and this appeal
followed.
To Judge Francis Murnaghan Jr.'s inquiries about the proof of
UFOs, Bryant's lawyer, James Heller of Washington contended Bryant had
a First Amendment right to seek answers to "unknown events."
"Why wouldn't he be an embarrassment" if he's following "a
theory for which no scientific basis has been found?" Murnaghan asked.
Judge Dickson Phillips Jr., also wondered why Bryant couldn't
"get his supervisors off his back ... without getting into the First
Amendment jurisprudence?
"If the ax really drops on him, then he can sue," Phillips
said.
Heller said Bryant fears that without the protection of an
injunction, he'll be fired. Since Bryant sued, all his evaluations have
been top-notch, Heller said.
In answer to a question, Koppel also noted that the offending
evaluation wasn't even in the file, because they are automatically
thrown out after three years.
Phillips, apparently convinced the revelation made the case
legally worthless, asked Koppel "Why didn't the Supreme Court look at
mootness? They put two courts to a lot of trouble for a moot case."
A decision is expected in about 60 days.
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From: vanth!jms@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com
Subject: strange aircraft sighted in western U.S.
Date: 5 Oct 90 06:16:30 GMT
The military apparently still has a few radically new aircraft up its sleeves.
Here's a newspaper article and a CompuServe message on the subject, which was
covered in 'Aviation Week and Space Technology.'
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WASHINGTON (AP) -- Several large, quiet, triangular wing-shaped aircraft of
unknown origin have been spotted in the air near Air Force bases in
California and elsewhere in the West, reports Aviation Week and Space
Technology.
A different aircraft whose engines produce a loud roar that resembles heavy
rocket engines also has been spotted, the magazine said.
The Air Force declined to confirm or deny that the sightings were of new
warplanes.
The publication, the current week's edition that became available Monday,
says the triangular aircraft are possibly prototypes of the Air Force B-2
or Navy A-12 aircraft.
The A-12 is a new fighter under development, which has not been displayed.
The B-2 is the 'stealth' bomber, which has been displayed, and its shape is
well-known.
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(and now the REAL goodies!)
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#: 61460 S10/Paranormal Issues
30-Sep-90 06:22:31
Sb: Real 'UFOs'
Fm: R J Decker 70320,172
To: All
Some interesting articles in the current issue of Aviation Week & Space
Technology (Oct 1) about new aircraft technologies: 'Secret Advanced Vehicles
Demonstrate Technologies For Future Military Use' & 'Multiple Sightings of
Secret Aircraft Hint at New Propulsion, Airframe Designs'. Some nice artist's
concept illustrations. From the articles:
Based on about 45 reports by people who have seen, heard or had access.
Manned & unmanned.
Triangular-shaped quiet a/c.
A high-speed a/c characterized by a very loud, deep, rumbling roar ... thic
a/c often makes a pulsing sound.
Lighting pattern indicate a/c 100+ ft long.
High-altitude a/c that crosses night sky at extremely high speed.
No engine noise or sonic boom.
Vehicle observed as single bright light - sometimes pulsating - flying at
speeds exceeding other a/c at altitude above 50,000 ft.
Capable of hypersonic flight.
Speeds of Mach 10, high-g maneuverability.
Day observation, triangular, light-colored.
Quieter than F-117A (stealth fighter).
Single amber lights under wingtips & red beacon near nose.
Early sighting in hanger at Ellington AFB (late 1960s).
Loud, very deep, rumbling engine noise.
Puncuated by 1HZ pulsing sound.
The 'pulser's' position was marked by white glow rather than a distinct point
of light.
A/C always on North heading @ 5AM, slower pulsing sound, 2 position lights.
Extremely fast-moving @ high altitude seen as single bright light.
350 miles of night sky in 6 min.
20 sec. to transit 70 deg of sky.
Very high-speed vehicles maueuvering over 50,000 ft altitude.
The above are snippets taken from both articles (grouped) describing more than
one a/c. Please see the articles for the entire story and the context. No
questions about the items please - I only extracted from the articles and lack
additional information.
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Do these resemble any known UFO light configuration? I haven't gotten out
my copy of 'Night Siege' yet to check the details on the Hudson Valley
object.
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paper : James Shaffer Jr., 37 Brook Street, Montgomery, PA 17752
uucp : uunet!cbmvax!amix!vanth!jms (or) rutgers!cbmvax!amix!vanth!jms
domain: jms%vanth@amix.commodore.com CompuServe: 72750,2335
quote : ATTENTION ALL PLANETS OF THE SOLAR FEDERATION: WE HAVE ASSUMED CONTROL
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From: Clark.Matthews@f320.n207.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Re: Mystery Teletype
Date: 5 Oct 90 03:36:00 GMT
> Dunno. I'm not really up on the Meier case.
>
> jbh
Me neither, really. But it's interesting that within a week, we've had two
disclosures here that call two major "smoking-guns" into question. The Gulf
Breeze model has its problems -- Walters is standing up to his critics and
the model itself has some discrepancies ... like that fact it was made from
plans that did not exist when Walters started taking pictures and "Tommy"
claimed to have seen it in Walters' closet.
Likewise, now we hear some anectodal evidence for the Meier fiasco being
perhaps something different than it appears.
Very interesting. Did you see the "Unsolved Mysteries" followup on GB?
What do you think of the Mayor? Does he have any motive for his
outspokenness -- beyond his sincere beliefs and a simple, honest desire to
discourage tourism. Heh-heh-heh.
Best,
Clark
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: Kecksburg Incident
Date: 3 Oct 90 05:10:00 GMT
> Perhaps the echo guidelines should be amended so as to preclude
> the posting of any information that is not attributed to a verifiable
> source. In other words the Ashtray Command wouldn't count. In those
> situations where the person posting can't remember the source, or is
> trying to find out who the source is, they should explicitly request the
> identity of the source as part of the message.
>
> Whaddaya' think? -- John
Jeez, I can just hear the carping on FIDO UFO now....but I mostly agree with
you. But what about sheer speculation? As much as that seems a dirty word to
some, its often very much called for in this field, and is part of the
scientific process.
Jim
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From: John.Burke@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke)
Subject: Re: Kecksburg Incident
Date: 4 Oct 90 04:37:00 GMT
Jim:
>But what about sheer speculation?
Yeah. Maybe a disclaimer should be required like:
>By way of speculation, I suggest that ...
or something along those lines.
-- John
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From: John.Burke@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke)
Subject: Re: Bill Cooper's Book
Date: 4 Oct 90 04:41:00 GMT
Brian:
Don has provided the info you seek in the last two issues of
_UFO_ magazine.
-- John
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From: John.Burke@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke)
Subject: Re: Mystery Teletype
Date: 4 Oct 90 04:48:00 GMT
Clark:
I loved Brit Elders' (not to be confused with *The* Elders)
response when confronted with proof that Billy's claimed photo of a San
Fransisco earthquake that he supposedly took when the Errans took him
into the future, was fake. (It was matched up with an artist's
rendering from some magazine like Omni):
Elders> Just because *one* photo was fake, doesn't mean they all
were fake.
Oh.
-- John
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From: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Delton)
Subject: Gulf Breeze
Date: 4 Oct 90 12:17:00 GMT
Unsolved Mysteries carried a segment last night that was an update of a
earlier segment. This one was fairly well balance I thought and
carried quite a bit of info on the recent allegations of Hoax. They
showed the Model found in the attic AND the used it to duplicate one of
the classic photos of Mr. Ed's UFO. When they showed the photo's side
by side (their "fake" photo next to Ed's "real" photo) there wasn't
a dimes worth of difference between them. They also showed how they
produced a "fake" photo to match Ed's photo of the UFO hovering over
the road and while they had different lighting effects, there was
basically no difference there either, they even duplicted quite well
the light shinning off the road surface. What struck me about the
exeptionally good match between the model UFO and the "real" thing was
the proportioning. Since the model was made out of two large paper
plates (with a band between them) and two small paper plates, the
proportions of large upper structure and small lower structure are
determined by the standard sizes of the paper plates used. It seems an
odd coincidence to me that ED's "real" UFO just happened to have the
same proportions as paper plates commonly manufactured here on earth.
They also interviewed Tommy Smith. It is interesting to compare how
Ed reacted to comments made about how Tommy's seems like a rather
honest and straightforward person. Ed's says, in essense, "so he seems
honest, what does that prove" yet it is exactly the "honest demeanor"
that many of Ed's supportors have been useing as an argument in support
of Ed.
A very interesting show.
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