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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 307
Thursday, September 27th 1990
Today's Topics:
Jackie Gleason
Crop circles
Re: OUT THERE by Blum
Re: Re:OUT THERE by Blum
CROP CIRCLES
Re:OUT THERE by Blum
TV show notifications
KECKSBURG INCIDENT
Re: CROP CIRCLES
Seti Update
KECKSBURG INCIDENT
CROP CIRCLES
David Bischoff's ABDUCTION: THE UFO CONSPIRACY
Jung's Theories of UFOs
Re:Berm Triangle.
Binary or GIF files over internet.
Interspecies Communication
Circles
Re: Oregon Lake Bed Design
Japanese crop circles
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From: Mike Dobbs <miked@hpvclmd.hp.com>
Subject: Jackie Gleason
Date: 25 Sep 90 01:20:05 GMT
I've heard it said that Jackie Gleason had a huge collection of UFO related
material. Does anybody know who has it now? Apparently he had a circular
shaped house in upstate New York which he called the mother ship.
John Lear claims that Nixon actually showed dead alien bodies to Gleason
at Homestead AFB. Gleason's wife allegedly wrote a book which was never
published which said that seeing the bodies had a profound effect on him.
Does anybody know more? I would have never suspected Jackie Gleason to
have such an interest in UFOs.
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From: David.Squires@f11.n289.z1.FIDONET.ORG (David Squires)
Subject: Crop circles
Date: 24 Sep 90 07:30:11 GMT
I heard on some show recently that some researchers had videotape of a
crop circle being formed but that they weren't going to release it
until further study. Anyone know about this?
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From: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Delton)
Subject: Re: OUT THERE by Blum
Date: 23 Sep 90 19:58:00 GMT
In today's paper there was a review of Blum's new book and they
mentioned the use of phychics by the gvt in an attempt to locate
russian subs.
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From: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Delton)
Subject: Re: Re:OUT THERE by Blum
Date: 23 Sep 90 20:23:00 GMT
My message wasn't intended to convey anything more then my own opinion.
And as I said, I don't recall reading anything that indicated to me
that the experiments had "panned out". WHile I haven't read all the
material you refered to, I have seen a couple of reviews of the work of
Targ and Puthoff and from what I have read I do not consider those
gentlemen to be particularly good researchers. I would refer you to
James Randi's books and the Quarterly CISOP publication, Skeptical
Inquirer. I'd look up some of the specific references if you really
intend to read them but it sounds like your mind is already made up as
is mine AT THIS POINT. It's not that I don't think remote viewing
would be possible but that I think that remote viewing has been tried
already and under conditions that would produce meaningfull results it
has failed to work. I have no objection to others continuing to try
and get it to work in a useful fashion but in my view it does not seem
worthwhile to continue to pursue failed avenues of investigation. IF
it works, it should be possible to demonstrate such success repeatedly,
not sporadically and in such a way that the results are unequivocal. I
don't beleive the remote viewing results have been either.
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: CROP CIRCLES
Date: 23 Sep 90 21:29:00 GMT
> specific varieties, a "smoking gun" could be found! I feel this may be
> a message waiting to be read, and by looking into very specific
> information of the plant varieties and farming methods of the affected
> areas, perhaps a piece of the puzzle may come into place. What does
> everyone here think?
I hope someone with the requisite knowledge reads your message, Frank. Your
speculations could hold a clue to this whole thing.
Someone, I forget who, but someone raised the possibility that this is a trick
of irrigation. (Was that you, Delton?). Imagine if someone found a way of
running steaming hot water through selected pipes. Steam would make those
suckers bend over, yet keep growing, wouldn't it?
Jim
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re:OUT THERE by Blum
Date: 23 Sep 90 21:32:00 GMT
> E. A. Rauscher, in The Iceland Papers, edited by A. Puharich, Essentia
> Research,
> Amherst, WI, (1980).
>
> Targ and Puthoff, in The Iceland Papers, edited by A. Puharich,
> Essentia Research, Amherst, WI, (1980).
...
> Jim, the opinion you have expressed here about remote viewing is
> clearly at odds with the scholarly work performed on the subject.
>
> The evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of a conclusion that remote
> viewing is a real effect observed many times by reputable scientists
> under proper experimental protocols.
Keith, how can you possibly mention the words "scholarly," "reputable," and
"Puharich" in the same post?
Jim
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: TV show notifications
Date: 23 Sep 90 21:36:00 GMT
>
> From: Mike Dobbs <miked@hpvclmd.hp.com>
>
> One service that this forum is really useful for is letting people know
> when TV or Radio shows are going to be aired on subjects that are of
> interest like field circles, UFOs, etc. I would encourage those who
> get advanced information would post it so that as many people as
> possible
> can tune in.
>
Absolutely, positively right on. This is one of the things I've stressed from
the beginning. In fact at one point I sent letters to the major networks
BEGGING them to give us some advance warning on any show dealing with the
paranormal. (Didn't get a single response). But yes, the least we can do is
post times and channels that we know of.
Por ejemplo, next week's Unsolved Mysteries will be on the Bermuda Triangle
and Flight 19. That's NBC, Wednesday, 8/7 Central. They hinted that it would
be a highly skeptical conclusion.
Jim
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: KECKSBURG INCIDENT
Date: 23 Sep 90 21:39:00 GMT
>
> Friday night, 20/20 had a segment on the England crop
> circles/pictograms. I don't mean to imply that these pictograms are UFO
> related, it's just interesting to note the fact that they did cover it.
> I don't recall ever seeing a story of this type ever reported on 20/20.
>
Paul, as a matter of fact 20/20 has been unusually kind to the UFO movement. I
believe they've done two segments on UFOs in the past, and one very good one
on abductions (Lynn Sherr). That one even mentioned MJ-12 in an even-handed
light, saying "The Air Force had no comment for us."
Jim
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From: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Delton)
Subject: Re: CROP CIRCLES
Date: 23 Sep 90 23:44:00 GMT
>>Trick of Irrigation
No, twas not I. Did you tape the 20/20 segment. Was it good??
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From: Michael.Corbin@f3206.n207.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Seti Update
Date: 25 Sep 90 02:56:00 GMT
David, thanks for the upload. I find SETI very interesting.
Mike
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From: Paul.Faeder@p0.f0.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Paul Faeder)
Subject: KECKSBURG INCIDENT
Date: 25 Sep 90 05:18:53 GMT
In a message of <23 Sep 90 14:39:00>, Jim Speiser (1:114/37) writes:
>Paul, as a matter of fact 20/20 has been unusually kind to the UFO
>movement. I believe they've done two segments on UFOs in the past, and
>one very good one on abductions (Lynn Sherr). That one even mentioned
>MJ-12 in an even-handed light, saying "The Air Force had no comment for
>us."
Well I definitely missed them! Guess I should watch the computer monitor less
and the TV more. Naaaah!!
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From: Paul.Faeder@p0.f0.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Paul Faeder)
Subject: CROP CIRCLES
Date: 25 Sep 90 05:24:57 GMT
In a message of <22 Sep 90 15:44>, Brian Clark (1:289/11) writes:
>Hmmm... interesting hypothesis - but if you saw the "20/20" broadcast on
>Friday, you would have seen pictures of the most recent pattern found
>which included not only perfect circles, but forked lines coming off of
>them in asymetrical ways.... hard to believe that something would cause
>that naturally... any possible connection between these patterns and the
>"landing strips" in the dirt patterns in S. America??
You mean the Nazca (Peru) lines? I don't see any resemblance. The Nazca lines
depicted birds, a fish, a spider, a monkey and quite a few straight lines but
they don't look like the English pictograms. Of course the similarity is that
they can only be wholly viewed from above; not ground level.
If you can find it, the May 1975 National Geographic has many photos on the
Nazca lines.
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From: yokatta@oxy.edu (Scott Littleton)
Subject: David Bischoff's ABDUCTION: THE UFO CONSPIRACY
Date: 25 Sep 90 11:28:55 GMT
I'm a relative newcomer to the net, so maybe this has already
been discussed. If so, please forgive me. Anyway....
Has anybody out there read David Bischoff's recent novel
ABDUCTION: THE UFO CONSPIRACY (Warner Books, 1990)? Am
curious to hear any reactions. The author's thesis seems to
be that the whole business has been a ultra-secret--and
thoroughly ruthless--US government (or perhaps
'para-government') operation from the beginning (or at least
since 1947) designed to condition the citizenry to accept the
authority of what he calls 'the Publishers,' that is, the
super-Establishment. I say 'seems' because Bischoff never
really resolves anything & I strongly suspect that a sequel
is in the works.
Unlike Whitley Strieber, Bischoff makes no pretense that he's
writing non-fiction. I'm not sure I buy his central
premise--the UFO phenomenon is probably far more complex than
he makes it appear--but he's done his homework, and the book
ought to be of interest to the readers of this newsletter.
And it's rather well-written to boot.
Incidently, the central character is a composite of Philip
Klass and Carl Sagan: a glib, media-wise debunker with
impeccable scientific credentials. The twist is that his
daughter gets abducted by whatever it is that's doing these
things...an intriguing idea. Am eagerly waiting to see what
happens next.
Cheers,
Scott Littleton
P.S. I've been told that Bischoff was on Donahue a couple of
weeks ago. Can anybody verify this?
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From: Brian.Clark@f11.n289.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Brian Clark)
Subject: Jung's Theories of UFOs
Date: 24 Sep 90 18:10:00 GMT
For those of you who are not well read in psychology, you might
not be aware that Carl Jung wrote on the subject of UFO's!!
Following is an excerpt from Jung's "Flying Saucers: a Modern
Myth of Things Seen in the Skies" (CW 10, pars. 589-90) which
sums up part of his opinion. He suggests a connection between
UFO's and his principle of synchronicity: in par. 780 of the
same work, he writes:
"The 'acausual' correspondences between mutually independent
psychic and physical events, i.e.: synchronisitic phenomena,
and in particular psychokinesis, would then become more
understandable, for every physical event would involve a
psychic one and vice versa. Such reflections are not idle
speculations; they are forced on us in any serious psychological
investigation of the UFO phenomenon." - CGJ
Now, for the excerpt...
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It is difficult to form a correct estimate of the significance
of contemporary events, and the danger that our judgment will
remain caught in subjectivity is great. So I am fully aware of
the risk I am taking in proposing to communicate my views
concerning certain contemporary events, which seem to me
important, to those who are patient enough to hear me. I refer
to those reports reaching us from all corners of the earth,
rumours of round objects that flash through the troposphere and
stratosphere and go by the name of Flying Saucers, soucoupes,
disks and "Ufos" (Unidentified Flying Objects). These rumours,
or the possible physical existence of such objects, seem to me
so significant that I feel myself compelled, as once before when
events of fateful consequence were brewing in Europe, to sound a
note of warning. I know that, just as before, my voice is much
too weak to reach the ear of the multitude. It is not
presumption that drives me, but my conscience as a psychiatrist
that bids me fulfil my duty and prepare theose few who will hear
me for coming events whcih are in accord with the end of an era.
As we know from acient Egyptian history, they are manifestations
of psychic changes which always appear at the end of Platonic
month and at the beginning of another. Apparently they are
changes in the constellation of psychic dominants, of the
archetypes, or :gods" as they used to be called, which bring
about, or accompany, long-lasting transformations of the
collective psyche. This transformation started in the
historical era and left its traces first in the passing of the
aeon of Taurus into that of Aries, and then of Aries into
Pisces, whose beginning coincides with the rise of Christianity.
We are now bearing that great change which may be expected when
the spring-point enters Aquarius.
It would be frivolous of me to try to conceal from the
reader that such reflections are not only exceedingly unpopular
but even come perilously close to those turbid fantasies which
becloud the minds of world-reformers and other interpreters of
"signs and portents." But I must take this risk, even if it
means putting my hard-won reputation for truthfulness,
reliability, and capacity for scientific judgement in jeopardy.
I can assure my readers that I do not do this with a light hear.
I am, to be quite frank, concerned for all those who are caught
unprepared by the events in question and disconcerted by their
incomprehensible nature. Since, so far as I know, no one has
yet felt moved to examine and set forth possible psychic [Ed.
Note: Jung uses the phrase "psychic" to mean "of the psyche"]
consequences of this foreseeable astrological change, I deem it
my duty to do what I can in this respect. I undertake this
thankless task in the expectation that my chisel will make no
impression on the hard stone it encounters.
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This was written in 1958 and is probably available in your
public library as part of either "Civilization in Transition" or
"Jung's Collected Works X".
Brian Clark, University of Missouri-Columbia
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From: John.Schultz@f11.n289.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Schultz)
Subject: Re:Berm Triangle.
Date: 25 Sep 90 03:14:18 GMT
> John where do you get this information on the Bermuda Triangle?
JH> The specific info about John Myrhe finding the TBM was in a big
JH> article in Florida Today newspaper a couple of years ago. I think
JH> mainly because he was a local guy.
JH> You're right, though. There sure isn't much of anything in the
JH> regular news media.
I seem to remember seeing ad ad for a TV show that is going to show the
actual discovery and salvage of the Lost Flight. "Unsolved Mysteries"
perhaps?
<*=-JaWS-=*>
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From: 'PAUL CARR, MISSION DESIGN' <CARR@astro.dnet.ge.com>
Subject: Binary or GIF files over internet.
Date: 25 Sep 90 21:18:29 GMT
I' ve managed to get my hands on the code for UUDECODE and UUENCODE, and
have tested them on the VAX. They work. If you want it, send a
request to me at 'CARR@ASTRO.DNET.GE.COM'. From examining the
code, it should be straightforward to compile it on an MS-DOS machine, and
only monir mode should be required for the Mac. The language is C.
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From: keith@pecan.cray.com (Keith A. Fredericks)
Subject: Interspecies Communication
Date: 25 Sep 90 21:20:26 GMT
Remote viewing is a term without prior associations used to describe
the access of information remote in space and/or time from sources
normally accepted to be secure against such access. This is essentially
the definition that Russell Targ and Harold Puthoff gave in their landmark
paper that was published in the Proceedings of the IEEE (incidentally,
after much discussion on whether this material was suitable to publish).
Authors before this referred to this reportedly observed phenomena as
clairvoyance or telepathy. Targ and Puthoff thought that since much of
the previous work was in question, they should seek to redefine the
terms so as to avoid confusion and prior associations.
Targ and Puthoff's work and subsequent experiments that repeated the
protocol essentially showed that we can get positive results repeatably
when humans attempt to retrieve information from ``viewers'' at locations
remote in space and/or time.
In a broad sense this work and the accumulated body of observations of
remote viewing, telepathy, and clairvoyance might well be cited as
a basis for the existance of a type of information transmission between
humans. To date no theoretical model has pointed out experiments to
detect a physical signal during the exchange of information.
This transmission of information has to be supported by physical
mechanisms.
Although the published rates of information transmission over such a channel
are (apparently) too low and uncontrollable to be of any practical use,
it appears to be obvious that such a mechanism is fundamental and
that as a race develops its technology, higher information transmission
rates will be achieved.
Psychic functioning is often reported as a significant part of the
experience surrounding UFO observations. It is economical to assume
that advanced races roaming the universe have control over this technology.
Again, I envision alien races attempting to communicate with our ``advanced''
race much like how we attempt to communicate with our own pets.
I would strongly urge further experiments in this area as being the most
promising in science.
More later...
-keith
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From: chalmers@violet.berkeley.edu (John H. Chalmers Jr.)
Subject: Circles
Date: 26 Sep 90 13:15:15 GMT
I saw the segment on Unsolved Mysteries about the Crop Circles and
found it very unclear what the photomicrographs were. They didn't
look to me like sections of stems or any other cellular structures, so
I would be very wary of concluding that alterations in cellular
structure were established. The pix looked like crystallizing salt
solutions to me, not cells at all.
As for SDI testing, the proposed SDI weapons are high powered
lasers and/or particle beams. The latter would not propagate very far
in the atmosphere and would produce highly visible ionization along their
paths. Both would carbonize and/or vaporize the plants, not just bend
them over. Neutron bombs are fission bombs designed to produce relatively
more neutron radiation than usual for bombs of the same kilotonnage.
Both induced radioactivity and fallout would be produced and yield
an unmistakable signature. They would also emit a lot of light, heat,
and blastwaves, all impossible to hide and capable of doing widespread
damage on the ground. --- John
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From: James Roger Black <jrblack@shemtaia.weeg.uiowa.edu>
Subject: Re: Oregon Lake Bed Design
Date: 27 Sep 90 03:17:56 GMT
Here's the scoop on the Oregon lakebed design, as reported in the Des Moines
Register of 26 September 90 (p. 3A).
The design was constructed by a six-person team between 31 July and 9 August
in the Alvord Desert in southeast Oregon. Sun angles were used for direction
finding, and the design itself was made of furrows five inches deep and six
inches wide carved out with a hand-powered garden cultivator. The artists
described the design as 'a diagram derived from Indian [i.e., Hindu, not
Native American] literature'. It consists of a series of circles and
interlocking triangles intended to be a 'geometric representation of the
forces of nature'. Overall length of the design is 1563 feet.
In order to escape detection during their ten-day labor, they chose a
location 50 miles from the nearest road and 130 miles from the nearest
settlement. They slept in tents and used a school bus for a kitchen.
The group was fined $100 by the Bureau of Land Management for 'defacing
public lands'. The artists estimate the design will disappear naturally in
about a year.
This case presents some interesting contrasts with the typical English crop
glyph:
Oregon England
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Project is unique Project is one of several hundred
Work took ten days Work took one night
Done in broad daylight Done under cover of darkness
50 miles out in the desert Right under observers' noses
Culprits admitted role No known suspects
Dirt gouged out with tools Plants 'fell over' without damage
The Oregon design is admittedly on a larger scale than the English glyphs,
but the technique involved (plowing a furrow as opposed to tramping down
wheat) is much simpler and more efficient. There are also no 'unsolved
mysteries' in the Oregon case (e.g., chemical changes or electromagnetic
effects).
It doesn't prove anything, but it's certainly suggestive--at least to me!
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From: James Roger Black <jrblack@shemtaia.weeg.uiowa.edu>
Subject: Japanese crop circles
Date: 27 Sep 90 03:18:30 GMT
The Associated Press reported on/about 20 September 90 that two crop circles
had appeared in a field in Fukuoka, Japan the morning of 17 September. The
larger design, a simple disk, had a diameter of 59 feet. The smaller design,
a solid inner disk surrounded by a narrow outer circle, had a diameter of 33
feet. The farmer, whose name was Shunzo Abe, reportedly attributed the
circles to 'a wild boar [which had] run amok' until he noticed that there
were no footprints or other signs of entry to the field.
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