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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 278
Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 278
Friday, July 27th 1990
Today's Topics:
Massive reply
photo analysis
Car Engines Dieing
Re: More GB
Re: GB evidence chain
Re: Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE
Re: INFORMANT
Re: INFORMANT
Re: INFORMANT
Re: A snippet from MUFON 90
Re: Crop Circle Hoax
Re: A snippet from MUFON 90
Re: Crop Circle Hoax
Cooper and JFK
media ignoring end-of-world cult
Re: Informant
Deserters
Melting Ice on Mars
Challenge!
Re: Deserters
Depressed....
T. Smith hoax claims
Challenge!
Re: Photo Analysis
Re: 6 AWOLS found in GB
Re: INFORMANT
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From: Gene Gross <gross@dg-rtp.dg.com>
Subject: Massive reply
Date: 26 Jul 90 20:37:48 GMT
I'm sorry about the length of this, but I've been so busy lately that
I've had little time to do more than scan the newletter when it comes
in. I've responded to a number of people here and that is why this is
so long.
#> From: Kurt.Lochner@p22.f66.n147.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Kurt Lochner)
#> Subject: Controlling Sysops..
#> Date: 24 Jul 90 20:04:11 GMT
# > >>If you think anyone could control a bunch of sysops.....
# > Boy is that the truth!!!!
# Heh, if they get out of hand, cut off their coffee makers.
#
# THat'll calm them down...
You are skating on thin ice there, son! ;-) I'm not a sysop, but I
defend the right of every American to drink gallons of coffee. Gotta
get your drugs somehow! 8-)
Actually, I was thinking of using valium! But haven't figured out how
to email them little pills from this terminal. When I do, watch out!!
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#> From: Jim Shaffer Jr <72750.2335@compuserve.com>
#> Subject: media ignoring end-of-world cult
#> Date: 25 Jul 90 06:47:17 GMT
# Has anyone else noticed a complete lack of interest in what should be
# a very interesting story in their area?
Jim:
This shouldn't be a big surprise. Just SOP. I first heard about here
on Paranet.
As for Project Blackbird, I've been following the coverage on ABC's Good
Morning America show. This morning (Thursday, 7/26/90) one of the
senior researchers involved in Project Blackbird gave an interview.
They did manage to uncover a hoax the other night. They found
footprints in and around one of the circles. However, the circle did
not even come close to matching the others that eventually lead up to
this project. This guy went on to say that he is convinced that there
is an intelligence behind what is going on, but he steadfastly refrained
from saying it was UFOs.
-+From the photos they've been showing, I'd have to say that something
mighty peculiar is going on. However, I don't think that it is beyond
the realm of a human hoax. Humans can be very inventive creatures when
they set their minds to it.
BTW, the equipment that they are using enables them to cover 50 sq.
miles.
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#> From: Don Ecker
#> Subject: INFORMANT
#> Date: 25 Jul 90 00:03:00 GMT
(Don is replying to Zach's overt accusation that Paranet is a Company
run BBS for putting out disinformation.)
# Cooper is so far out, I think
# IMHO, he is skating on the 'edge', or has already slipped over.
If I voted, I'd vote for the latter. Long since over the edge.
#
# Incidentally, I just got back from Vegas as I had to go over
# there in concert with my investigation on the 'Whistleblowers'.
# Cooper had originally been invited to speak at former Lt. Col.
# 'Bo' Gritz's little "Freedom Call" weekend. Gritz had already
# gotten a belly full of Cooper, and with my Part One, Cooper was
# dis-invited. Now he is claiming that maybe the 'briefing
# documents' he saw in 1972 during a 'change in command at
# CINPACFLT' was to disinform HIM. In other words, all his
# information may be FALSE. Now, ain't that surprising????
How is Bo? Sort of lost track of him since he was in Orlando couple of
years ago. Talked with him via radio talk show at that time. Is he
considering another trip to find MIAs? If so, my Alice gear is ready to
go and so am I!! Weaponry is cleaned, loaded, and ready as well. ;-)
I'm glad to hear that the Colonel 'dis-invited' Cooper. Cooper is the
last person that he needs hanging around him.
Surprising!? No, not really. Cooper has got to find a way to dig
himself out of the big cavern he's dug for himself. I'll be interested
to see what he has to say about all this down the road. Since they have
taken the 'I Love Lucy' series off the local channels, I need a comedy
show. I'd say Abbott and Costello, but Cooper can't even get that
close.
BTW, Don, do you know what level of clearance Cooper claims to have had?
Would be interesting to know what else he pretends to. ;-)
#
# BTW, if you thing ParaNet is controlled, I got so prime bottom
# land for sale. You interested?? And please tell BS that my check
# is late, will you?
Aw, shucks, and here I was going to offer Zach a beautiful house in DC!
Well, if he turns down your bottom land, let me know. I have that
wonderful house in DC and some great ocean front property in Arizona.
Oops, forgot! Sold that to someone else. Guess I'll push that land in
New Mexico. Except for the unexploded ordinance, it is great land.
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#> From: Richard.Peek@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Richard Peek)
#> Subject: Re: 6 AWOLS found in GB
#> Date: 23 Jul 90 18:09:00 GMT
# What is the ALternative-3 plan?? Are there files describing it??
Rick:
There are probably some files out there. Actually, I'd suggest that you
get a good SF novel--try 'Twistors' or "Empire's Horizon." Much more
interesting, IMHO.
But if you insist on digging into Alternative-3, there is a paperback
out now--actually, it may be out of print. You might find a copy in a
local used book store. I'd offer to send you mine, but I threw it out.
That does it folks. My thoughts for the week. I'm glad that the GB
stuff is slowly dying out on the net. Can we please move on to other
things!? This story about the 6 GIs seems very interesting. What about
the sightings in upper New York? Have they stopped?
Also, Mike Corbin, I need an address to send you some USmail. I've got
a piece on UFO propulsion that you might find interesting.
Gene Gross
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: photo analysis
Date: 25 Jul 90 18:12:04 GMT
> Does anyone out there know where I can get some film analysed?
> If so I need the name and adress, possibly a phone number so
> that I can contact these individuals who can do the work...Also
> a price if it is necessary...
I'd suggest you start by calling Eastman Kodak in Rochester NY and
asking for suggestions re analysis, or they may be willing to do it
themselves, for a price. The reason I suggest Kodak is that I know
they are capable of analysis and they presumably wouldn't have any
particular axes to grind, if you get my meaning.
What, specifically, do you mean by analysis? I can help to some
extent.
BTW, MUFON's expert is Bruce Maccabee.
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Car Engines Dieing
Date: 25 Jul 90 18:17:05 GMT
> It is
> interesting to me that the radar would have such a strong effect
> when the car body would be such a large metal shield around the
> igniton system.
I don't think a car provides quite the shielding we may think it
does.
I've gotten incredibly strong interference on my VHF scanner *inside
the car* with no external antenna while driving near the radars at
Patrick AFB in Florida. The radar's up in the Ghz range, I think.
Anyway, the RF stages are being swamped even though the radar's way
out of band. I wouldn't be surprised if an electronic ignition system
could be similarly affected if the situation was that the radar
occasionally pointed straight at the car.
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: More GB
Date: 25 Jul 90 18:23:06 GMT
> Yes, and later they gave the model to Mier as a gift. Some one
> later found it in his barn and started screaming hoax.
So that's how the model was found. Makes sense.
Like Ed Walters' pictures, Meier's look "funny" to me. As if the
object is so clear and sharp in relation to the background that it has
to be very close to the camera.
Of course I also have to bear in mind that I've taken lots of
pictures at air shows in which the airplanes are similarly sharp
against a hazy background.
Something just occured to me re photo analysis, and I've never heard
of anyone doing it.
In most any photo that has a foreground and background, and the
background is very far away, the atmospheric haze increases (visually)
with the distance away from the camera. It would appear that we could
develop a haze-to-distance ratio for certain pictures, and if a
photographed object in that picture didn't conform to that ratio, we'd
have to say that the object is very close to the camera, as with a
model.
Make any sense?
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: GB evidence chain
Date: 25 Jul 90 18:29:07 GMT
> John, you are correct..I remembered that I saw the drawings in
> Commander Mosely's "Saucer Smear"....Hmmmmm...I wonder why Jim
> Mosely has taken such an adement stance in defence of Ed. It
> seems slightly out of character for him..
I just found the same drawing in Bob Boyd's recently-published
history of the Gulf Breeze sightings. It appears in the section titled
Failure at Science which he published on Sept. 4, 1988, so that
drawing was actually published in 1988. Ample time for someone to make
a model according to the published drawing.
Comparing a photo of the model to the drawing, note that the bottom
structure is attached to the main body of the craft in the drawing
smoothly, like it's curved outwardly from vertical to horizontal, while on the
model the curve between the bottom structure and the main body is
reversed. It's actually a plastic plate glued onto the main structure,
and the curve between the plate and the main body is the reverse of
what appears in the drawing. All the rest is very close.
I'd guess that someone worked from that published drawing.
jbh
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From: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen)
Subject: Re: Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE
Date: 26 Jul 90 05:41:01 GMT
BE>From my own point of view, I haven't the resources to file a law
BE>suit against him. Let the big boys do it...
That's a shame too..I know from past legal experience that it does
tend to get a bit expensive. How about a 'group' suit? (grin).
BE>I and several others think that he was trying to make a quick
BE>name for himself at everyone elses expense..
Well, he's paid at very high price now..his credibility is *shot*
(Would you buy a used car from this man?....)
DA>Maybe we should introduce Bill Moore and Bill Cooper to
DA>Knell.
BE>Nahhh....I wouldn't insult Moore or Cooper that badly...and you
BE>know How I feel about them. Moore is a jerk, and Cooper is a lying
BE>opportunist, but I have yet to see any evidence of either of them
BE>being thieves....Hmmmm...on the other hand I have noticed that Cooper
BE>does "borrow" a lot from other authors.....
As in "John Lear" and yourself? Most definately has been noticed
and pointed out by others..I believe the termm is called
"Plagiarism".
These guys, Moore, Cooper, and Knell have a need for a pyschologist
it would appear to me..either that or they have one helluva ego trip
to satisfy..it's unfortunate, but they stand in the way of really
important work to be done.
-Don Allen-
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From: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen)
Subject: Re: INFORMANT
Date: 26 Jul 90 06:31:02 GMT
* Replying to a message originally to Zach Harman
BE> In a message to Michael Corbin <07-19-90 10:57> Zach Harman
BE> wrote:
BE>
BE> ZH> Care to comment on the fact that PARANET is a gov't
BE> ZH>controlled computer network and you're a paid dis
BE> ZH>information agent? Many people are beginning to feel this
BE> ZH>way, and I'm pretty curious.
BE> ZH> By the way, T.S. says hi!
BE>
BE> Hey Zach,
BE>
BE> You been spending the weekend at Bill Cooper's again?
BE>
BE> Bill..
BE>
BE> --- QuickBBS 2.64 (Eval)
BE> * Origin: Paranet Alpha-Lambda 9:1012/5 New Mexico
BE> (9:1012/5)
ZH> By the way, T.S. says hi!
^^^
AHA! Gotcha...ask Timmy if he's found that underground base
in Dulce yet..
Maybe he can get Don Ecker to write an article about his
travels...
:^) :^) :^) :^) :^)
-Don Allen-
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From: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen)
Subject: Re: INFORMANT
Date: 26 Jul 90 06:32:03 GMT
* Replying to a message originally to Zach Harman
BE> In a message to Michael Corbin <07-19-90 10:57> Zach Harman
BE> wrote:
BE>
BE> ZH> Care to comment on the fact that PARANET is a gov't
BE> ZH>controlled computer network and you're a paid dis
BE> ZH>information agent? Many people are beginning to feel this
BE> ZH>way, and I'm pretty curious.
BE> ZH> By the way, T.S. says hi!
BE>
BE> Hey Zach,
BE>
BE> You been spending the weekend at Bill Cooper's again?
BE>
BE> Bill..
BE>
BE> --- QuickBBS 2.64 (Eval)
BE> * Origin: Paranet Alpha-Lambda 9:1012/5 New Mexico
BE> (9:1012/5)
This is addressed to Bill English but it's *meant* for Zach.
-Don Allen-
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From: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen)
Subject: Re: INFORMANT
Date: 26 Jul 90 06:36:04 GMT
* Replying to a message originally to Zach Harman
JB> Zach: You should have saved yourself the trouble of typing
JB> "T.S. says hi" at the end of your message. Most of us
JB> could see T.S. saying "hi" from between the lines.
JB> --- QuickBBS 2.64 (Eval)
JB> * Origin: ParaNet Rho Alpha<sm>; UFO's and a whole lot
JB> more! (1:115/876)
Ohhhhh...A COLD shot..I like that in a person (grin).
-Don Allen-
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From: John.Burke@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke)
Subject: Re: A snippet from MUFON 90
Date: 27 Jul 90 02:37:00 GMT
> Now why would Ed start downplaying the religious angle, to the point
> of denying his own words?
Probably because he found out that the Smiths are Episcopalian and
not Fundamentalists. Nice try, Ed! -- John
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From: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Delton)
Subject: Re: Crop Circle Hoax
Date: 27 Jul 90 04:26:00 GMT
What the researchers failed to discuss is whether they would have
figured out it was a hoax if the hoaxers had NOT left the ouija board
and other stuff. Apparently the hoaxers were able to get in and get
out right under their noses. The outcome might have been quite
different had nothing been left behind.
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: A snippet from MUFON 90
Date: 27 Jul 90 05:13:00 GMT
> > Now why would Ed start downplaying the religious angle, to the point > of
> denying his own words?
>
> Probably because he found out that the Smiths are Episcopalian and
> not Fundamentalists. Nice try, Ed! -- John
Is that confirmed? If so, HAHAHAHAHAHA! Love it.
Now, an HONEST man would have said, "My first impression was mistaken."
Jim
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: Crop Circle Hoax
Date: 27 Jul 90 05:16:00 GMT
> What the researchers failed to discuss is whether they would have
> figured out it was a hoax if the hoaxers had NOT left the ouija board
> and other stuff. Apparently the hoaxers were able to get in and get out
> right under their noses. The outcome might have been quite different
> had nothing been left behind.
That's very true, and may be more pertinent than you think. I just read the
original release on MUFONET, in which Colin Andrews was extremely excited
about the discovery, and said that there's NO WAY the circle could have been
hoaxed.
I get the impression that Andrews is now saying, "Very funny. Now please cut
it out so we can see what is really causing the circles." Has he ever given
thought to the possibility that his cameras actually caught the cause of it
all?
Jim
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Cooper and JFK
Date: 27 Jul 90 05:25:00 GMT
> Is it possible that both coverups are being orchestrated by the same
> people?
Turn it around. Is it even remotely conceivable that two separate groups
within the government could carry out such effective cover-ups? If I were in
charge of assignments, I'd use the same people who buried Roswell to bury the
JFK shooting. Only 1 in a million can keep a secret that big - people like
that are hard to find.
Greer shooting Kennedy is still beneath consideration, though. Its flat-out
impossible.
Jim
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: media ignoring end-of-world cult
Date: 27 Jul 90 05:26:00 GMT
> Has anyone else noticed a complete lack of interest in what should be a
> very
> interesting story in their area?
>
What area exactly is it? What papers and stations are involved?
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From: Zach.Harman@p0.f630.n283.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Zach Harman)
Subject: Re: Informant
Date: 25 Jul 90 16:27:47 GMT
Is this the WORLD's most important computer network? Or is the the
WORLD most FANTASIZED world computer network?
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From: Tyson.Mitchiner@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Tyson Mitchiner)
Subject: Deserters
Date: 26 Jul 90 00:43:00 GMT
JB> Oh yeah ... for when the "Anti-Christ" arrives there, huh?
JB> .... Hmm... Yeah that is a *good idea*! I'm thinking of a
JB> number of individuals, who (I hope) will volunteer! :-)
What makes you think that the "Anti-Christ" story is true? It
sounds way too fishy to me... I don't think that is the real reason
those 6 went to Gulf Breeze...
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From: Richard.Peek@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Richard Peek)
Subject: Melting Ice on Mars
Date: 26 Jul 90 16:59:00 GMT
ZH> 4) Alternate-3 was an attempt to colonize Mars before the
ZH> world
ZH> wide plagues, droughts, and food shortages. A hydrogen
ZH> bomb was
ZH> dropped on the polar caps to melt the dry ice, to create
ZH> carbon
ZH> dioxide. There is also an amount to ice that was melted,
ZH> to
ZH> create water. This would heat up the atmosphere, and
ZH> create
ZH> plant life, which would create an oxygen atmosphere. It
ZH> actually is quite plausible.
ZH>
Wouldn't this require several million years? (although I suppose
pockets of life-supporting environments could be created this way)
I'd be very interested in seeing what you come up with
thanks
Rich
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Challenge!
Date: 26 Jul 90 18:49:00 GMT
> BRAVO! Keep saying it John...there's *more* here than meets the
> literary agent's eye..
Well, it wasn't my idea, but it was worth repeating. ;-)
> It's *bigger* than just Mr Ed's photos and stories now,
> especially
> in light of the recent arrests in GB..
From Rex's info gathering, it looks like it was much bigger for
quite a while before Ed came along and we just didn't know it.
I'm leaning toward the idea that Ed's incidents may be a cover to
distract everyone away from all the other incidents. I'll also accept
that idea that Ed isn't in on the operation.
The best way to run an op is when your agent doesn't know he's an
agent.
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: Deserters
Date: 26 Jul 90 18:51:01 GMT
> Oh yeah ... for when the "Anti-Christ" arrives there, huh?
> .... Hmm... Yeah that is a *good idea*! I'm thinking of a
> number of individuals, who (I hope) will volunteer! :-) --
I've alerted an investigator who impresses me as being a good
nuts'n'bolts type of guy.
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Depressed....
Date: 26 Jul 90 18:52:02 GMT
> A person who believes UFOs exist, but doesn't believe ANY of the
> G.B. hooey.
*Please* take a much deeper look at the GB cases. You'll be shocked.
I was.
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f2.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: T. Smith hoax claims
Date: 27 Jul 90 00:05:00 GMT
Well, I finally got to see a transcript of Tommy Smith's telephone
conversation with Gulf Breeze mayor Ed Grey and the police chief.
Based on a major technical detail, my first impression is that the
photos could not have been made in the manner Smith described. No, I
will not publicly talk about that detail yet until it's asked of
Smith. And I'll try to be the person doing the asking.
jbh
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From: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen)
Subject: Challenge!
Date: 27 Jul 90 03:08:01 GMT
JH> > BRAVO! Keep saying it John...there's *more* here than meets the
JH> > literary agent's eye..
JH>
JH> Well, it wasn't my idea, but it was worth repeating. ;-)
JH>
JH> > It's *bigger* than just Mr Ed's photos and stories now,
JH> > especially
JH> > in light of the recent arrests in GB..
JH>
JH> From Rex's info gathering, it looks like it was much
JH> bigger for quite a while before Ed came along and we just
JH> didn't know it.
JH> I'm leaning toward the idea that Ed's incidents may be a
JH> cover to distract everyone away from all the other
JH> incidents. I'll also accept that idea that Ed isn't in on
JH> the operation.
JH> The best way to run an op is when your agent doesn't know
JH> he's an agent.
JH>
JH> jbh
JH>
JH> --- FD 1.99c
JH> * Origin: Paranet NU-DELTA(sm) Orlando, Fla. (407)649-4136
JH> (1:363/29)
"JH> The best way to run an op is when your agent doesn't know
JH> he's an agent."
While I would persist in dis-agreeing with the "It's GOT to be
a HOAX" camp...I, like you am leaning towards the above sentiment
more..I think Speiser was right on the mark here.
I'm still awaiting further data on the GB arrests and Aug 6th
isn't far off..I suppose the day will come and go without
incident but we'll see..
More disturbing to me is a statement that Ray Griffin made
about protecting the secrets of the mind..I think THAT also
must be taken into account.
-Don Allen-
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From: Bill.English@f5.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English)
Subject: Re: Photo Analysis
Date: 26 Jul 90 01:46:00 GMT
In a message to Bill English <07-24-90 22:20> Steve Peterson wrote:
SP>Bill,
SP> The only thing I found was the following-
SP> William Spaulding
SP> Ground Sauser Watch
SP> 13238 N. 7th Drive
SP> Pheonix, Az 85029
SP> Excuse the two mis-spellings. I don't know how current
SP>the
SP>information is. I think the price is $25.00, but I suggest
SP>you
SP>contact them and find out for sure. Good luck,
Thanks Steve, I appreciate the effort...
Bill..
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From: Bill.English@f5.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English)
Subject: Re: 6 AWOLS found in GB
Date: 26 Jul 90 01:46:00 GMT
In a message to Bill English <07-23-90 11:10> Richard Peek wrote:
RP>I'll see what I can dig up
RP>Rich
Thanks, Richard, I appreciate it...
Bill..
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From: Bill.English@f5.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English)
Subject: Re: INFORMANT
Date: 26 Jul 90 01:54:00 GMT
Laughing
hestically...Hehehehehehe...hahahahahah...chortle-chortle-chortle...
Don,
Just saw your comments concerning part two and your trip to Vegas. So ol'
Billy boy is changing his tune now is he...Somehow that doesn't surprise me
in the least. Once you pull his fangs I would imagine that after reading
that flamer I put to him in the FIDO he's going to try and gum on me for a
bit telling everyone that I set him up or something...Oh Well.....(snicker)
BTW the dates are now set for the conference as Feb. 15-16-17...I'll be
sending out the announcements within the next 24 hours and have everything
locked in for sure. I'll call you and give you that particulars, if I
haven't called by the time you get this message.
Bill..
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