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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 270
Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 270
Thursday, July 19th 1990
Today's Topics:
Sealed Camera
Re: Traffic reports, rush hour..
Re: More GB
SETI
Re: Traffic reports, rush hour..
Re: Rep rips E.T.
Re: GB evidence chain
Re: More GB
Re: tidbits
Re: More GB
Re: Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE
Re: Traffic
Re: Mag-> Ufo Universe
Re: Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE
CARP
ILL BREEZE
Re: more stuff..
Paranet Newsletter 265
Re: more stuff..
New Affiliates
Re: Recent Developments
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From: Greg.Booras@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Greg Booras)
Subject: Sealed Camera
Date: 18 Jul 90 16:08:00 GMT
I just have one question?
Was'nt Ed given a 3d camera that was sealed by the mufon investigators???
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From: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English)
Subject: Re: Traffic reports, rush hour..
Date: 19 Jul 90 05:40:00 GMT
In a message to Jim Speiser <07-05-90 7:16:> Kurt Lochner wrote:
KL>Oh yeah, did I tell you that I talked to Timmy one
KL>fine evening? He explained his activities as being
KL>purposely provocative,
Excuse me for butting in here guys, but I would like to make the observation
that since I have gone head to head with Tim AND Bill Cooper on more than
one occassion, it seems to me that Tim's problem isn't so much that he's a
nerd, it's just that he believes to much of the gunk that Cooper feeds him.
That and the fact that like Coop he has a tendancy to open mouth before
putting brain in gear.
BTW, I'm the new kid on the block so don't mind me...
Bill English
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From: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English)
Subject: Re: More GB
Date: 19 Jul 90 05:45:00 GMT
In a message to Jim Speiser <07-05-90 22:25> Tyson Mitchiner wrote:
TM>I'm not saying that Ed's pictures aren't a hoax.. Im just
TM>saying that the model itself COULD be a hoax. I don't
TM>think that the government would do that to discredit Ed- I
TM>think a more logical idea would be that a newspaper wanted
TM>some more fantastic things to write about, and the model
TM>was just the perfect thing to get more revenue...
Tyson,
Allow me to point out that some time back the Billy Mier Case ran into
something similar in that a model was found in Billy's barn. Based on this,
the screams of fraud were heard far and wide. I am not saying that the
Mier's case wasn't fraudulent, however it strikes me as odd that all of a
sudden a model shows up at "Ed's" old house. One which he has not lived in
for more than a year.....If it worked once, why not twice?? It's certainly
something to consider..
Bill English
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From: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English)
Subject: SETI
Date: 19 Jul 90 05:48:00 GMT
In a message to postmaster@scicom.alphacdc.com <07-05-90 22:59> Jim Speiser wrot
JS>Whoa! Now THAT'S interesting, and worth trying to track
JS>down. Anybody have an "in" with NPR?
Jim,
As a matter of fact I have an in with a couple of people who are the
Producers for NPR's "Morning Edition". This from my radio days..If I have
some particulars I might be able to get them to track down a tape of that
particular report from the archives in D.C.
Bill English
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From: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English)
Subject: Re: Traffic reports, rush hour..
Date: 19 Jul 90 05:54:00 GMT
Jim,
I have spoken with Jym Fox, the new moderator of the FIDO UFO Echo. He seems
to be a pretty laid back guy and I have a feeling that you will see some
serious changes in the Echo. The first being that this "Censored Network"
business on the origin line is a thing of the past. He's got a lot of good
ideas and I personally feel that he may be just what was needed.
After I blasted Cooper on the other Net he flamed my tail real good and
rightly so...Even if he did get a good laugh out of it...<grin>
Bill..
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From: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English)
Subject: Re: Rep rips E.T.
Date: 19 Jul 90 05:57:00 GMT
In a message to postmaster@scicom.alphacdc.com <07-11-90 00:40> John Burke wrote
JB>Ed: Why don't the Greys ever abduct a guy like Conte? :-)
Some one once said that they were of a higher intelligence...maybe this
proves it...
Bill English
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From: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English)
Subject: Re: GB evidence chain
Date: 19 Jul 90 06:00:00 GMT
I just saw a copy of Ed's new Book with a rather detailed drwing it of the
UFO..Seems to me that this drawing or something like it could have been used
to make a model..
Bill..
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From: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English)
Subject: Re: More GB
Date: 19 Jul 90 06:06:00 GMT
Christ! Robin,
you mean to tell me that after all of these years we finally find out that
Phil Klass was abducted...<grin> wouldn't that be a hoot....
How's it going guy....I pop up in the stranges places don't I?
Take care..BTW I have finished that paper on "Paranormal Activity and It's
relationship to the UFO Abduction Phenomenon" You can download it from my
system anytime. File name "PARAUFO.ZIP". Let me know what you think...
Bill..
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From: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English)
Subject: Re: tidbits
Date: 19 Jul 90 06:09:00 GMT
In a message to John Hicks <07-12-90 23:32> John Burke wrote:
JB>more likely story. -- Probably the work of Hynek's ghost!
I can imagine Hynek's ghost doing 360's at about a hundred miles and hour
right about then...
Bill
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From: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English)
Subject: Re: More GB
Date: 19 Jul 90 06:11:00 GMT
In a message to Jym Fox <07-10-90 23:21> Jim Speiser wrote:
JS>There is a Ray Griffin that checks in once in a while...
Jim,
Ray Griffin uses my other echoes quite extensively. Want I should try and
see if something can be arranged?
Bill
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From: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English)
Subject: Re: Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE
Date: 19 Jul 90 06:17:00 GMT
In a message to Don Allen <07-12-90 22:32> Jim Speiser wrote:
JS>UFO UNIVERSE is basically 80% hype, with a few decent
JS>writers and ufologists, such as Antonio and Phil Imbrogno.
Jim,
Not anymore..I have talked with Al Weiss the owner of UFO Universe.
Apparently there is a severe financual problem with regard to the magazine
and as of two weeks ago he was meeting with several potential investors in
the hope of saving the magazine, even if it's under new ownership. I don't
know what Tim's gonna do since I haven't talked with him since just before
he left to go on vacation, but I to have come to respect him and hope that
everything works out well for him. From what I am hearing though, with the
exception of Tim that whole opertion was pretty hoaky..
Bill..
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From: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English)
Subject: Re: Traffic
Date: 19 Jul 90 06:36:00 GMT
In a message to Jim Speiser <07-12-90 12:43> Steve Rose wrote:
SR>Please, no flame. But I do get a bit tired of their tricks
SR>at tourism, IMHO.
Steve,
If that's the case you have to admit that it worked better than they
expected....
Bill
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From: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English)
Subject: Re: Mag-> Ufo Universe
Date: 19 Jul 90 06:41:00 GMT
In a message to Jim Speiser <07-14-90 16:47> Michael Corbin wrote:
MC>I am curious as to what Antonio's credentials are and what
MC>makes him so outstanding?
MIke,
As I understand it Antonio Huneeus has been around since Jim and Coral
Lorenzen days, specializing in the South and Central American Region, to
include Pueto Rico. I have several tapes of his speeches at past conventions
and symposiums. If you send me a blank video tape or two I'll have copies
made for you and you can judge for yourself..
Bill
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From: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English)
Subject: Re: Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE
Date: 19 Jul 90 06:56:00 GMT
In a message to Jim Speiser <07-14-90 23:41> Don Allen wrote:
DA>As for Antonio..he may have gotten in over his head with
DA>the South African UFO story he authored. I've since heard many others
DA>tell me that it was quite bogus. I have the article he wrote.
DA>Seems like it was based on lots of third party info.
Don,
I think that Antonio got a bum deal on this one. I know for a fact that the
material that most likely came to Antonio came from a gentleman by the name
of Bill Knell who was the head of an organization known as "Island
Skywatch". During the past year Knell was putting out all sorts of
information to include some quite extensive material on the South African
thing. Unfortunately it turns out that much of the material he was sending
out he was changing and editorialising to suit his own desires and needs. I
have copies of several letters from various members of the "Island Skywatch"
Steering committee who have effectively resigned in mass when they
determined that Knell was lying to them. As a result of Knell's actions
several people were hurt both financually and reputation wise. Antonio
Huneeus is still a good investigator, if somewhat overly trusting of Knell
and the material that he provided.
For a time I even believed Knell until I discovered that he was selling
tapes of mine and Don Ecker's speeches at the 1989 MUFON conference in Vegas
without our permission. When I confronted Knell with this he denied it. When
I called Bob Girard of Arcturus Book Service I discovered otherwise. Poor
Bob was so upset by the whole thing he has informed me that for now he isn't
going to carry any video tapes at all. To add insult to injury there were
several other people including "Bunte Magazine" in Munich Germany who got a
royal enema from Knell. So don't hold the South African thing against
Antonio. Knell stuck a lot of people...including me...
Bill English
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From: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English)
Subject: CARP
Date: 19 Jul 90 07:06:00 GMT
In a message to All <07-16-90 23:57> Frank Cox wrote:
FC>I DL the CARP file from CIS and was wondering what everyone
FC>thinks of it. I assume it's some creative writing on
Frankly the way the file was originally sent to Don Ecker smacks of Bill
Cooper. After reading it carefully several time I also think that he was the
one who wrote it. Somehow I get the feeling that he may have been trying to
see just how gullable Don was...Other than that it was garbage...
Bill
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From: Steve.Rose@p1.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Rose)
Subject: ILL BREEZE
Date: 18 Jul 90 00:07:09 GMT
In a message to John Komar <17 Jul 90 00:26:00> John Hicks wrote:
JH> No, I think I understand what Jim's saying. If a *big* case (Ed's)
JH> is conjured up, generates controversy etc, then may later be proven
JH> to be a hoax, all the other sightings are forgotten. The general
JH> public says, "Gulf Breeze....a hoax."
JH> See what I mean?
JH> In the public eye, Ed *is* Gulf Breeze, even though we know better.
Guilt by association. <Ducking!> <grin>
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From: John.Komar@f26.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Komar)
Subject: Re: more stuff..
Date: 18 Jul 90 09:50:00 GMT
In a message to Don Allen <07-16-90 22:47> Jim Speiser wrote:
JS=>That's the whole point, Don. Under my scenario, those might
JS=>be legitimate sightings, indeed, they may be the raison
JS=>d'etre of the whole Mr. Ed smokescreen.
JS=>Jim
Jim, has it been proven to be a smokescreen as you indicate?
Regards, John
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Paranet Newsletter 265
Date: 19 Jul 90 05:33:00 GMT
Alex:
I'm sure someone here could run a star map program to at least narrow it down,
but I think they'll need your approximate latitude and a more exact location
of the object (almost overhead when facing what direction?).
If you noticed a very slight haziness, it might have been a high altitude
cloud layer, which got thicker while you weren't noticing, and caused the
object to disappear.
Just theorizing.
Jim
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: more stuff..
Date: 19 Jul 90 05:35:00 GMT
> In a message to Don Allen <07-16-90 22:47> Jim Speiser wrote:
> JS=>That's the whole point, Don. Under my scenario, those might
> JS=>be legitimate sightings, indeed, they may be the raison
> JS=>d'etre of the whole Mr. Ed smokescreen.
> JS=>Jim
>
> Jim, has it been proven to be a smokescreen as you indicate?
To my satisfaction, yes. I maintain that photo #6 is your proof.
Jim
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From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f1.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: New Affiliates
Date: 19 Jul 90 00:47:00 GMT
This is to announce new ParaNet affiliates.
They are:
ParaNet TAU
Kath & Chuck Kirby
Nashua, New Hampshire
603-881-9741 9600
ParaNet SIGMA-DELTA
Ernst Elbe
Hannover, FRG
49-511-392274 9600
ParaNet ALPHA-IOTA
Rusty Ferguson
Memphis, TN
901-365-7629 9600
ParaNet ALPHA-LAMBDA
Bill English
Alamogordo, NM
505-437-7198 2400
ParaNet ALPHA-KAPPA
Chuck Ammon
Pittsburgh, PA
412-264-2692 9600
ParaNet ALPHA-MU
Ron Lahti
La Quinta, CA
619-564-4159 9600
ParaNet ALPHA-ZETA
Joe Mollica
Philadelphia, PA
215-551-1485 9600
Soon to join us:
ParaNet PI
Clark Matthews
Jersey City, NJ
On behalf of the group, WELCOME! Please take a moment and write
a biography about yourself and your interest in the UFO
phenomenon for the group.
Michael Corbin
Director
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From: Steve.Peterson@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Peterson)
Subject: Re: Recent Developments
Date: 19 Jul 90 04:30:00 GMT
Jim,
I wrote a longer reply to you, but the carrier dropped, and
I suspect it was lost. Anyway...I have tried the libraries,
and some of these, I like to have in my reference library at
home, but it's a good point, and often overlooked source
Thanks, Steve
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