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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 284
Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 284
Monday, August 6th 1990
Today's Topics:
Re: INFORMANT
Don Ecker's Foul Mouth
Re: INFORMANT
Don Ecker's Foul Mouth
Re: Crop Circle Hoax
Military deserters - GB
Re: More GB
Re: Deserters
Mothman
Re: ILL BREEZE
Re: Gulf Breeze Six
Re: Gulf Breeze Six
Ufo's?
Re: INFORMANT
Re: Deserters
Re: media ignoring end-of-world cult
OUT THERE
OUT THERE
Re: Mothman
exoglyphs
Lazar-ium and more
Ecker and MI
Lazar-ium and more
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From: Zach.Harman@p0.f630.n283.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Zach Harman)
Subject: Re: INFORMANT
Date: 2 Aug 90 18:00:27 GMT
Don, do you think it really matter to me if you are an
informant? The whole UFO story is a BIG JOKE now. Everything
is hype. I only posted the message to see what your response
was. The results are as follows.....
1) You attack my spelling error (intelligence) to gain an
upper hand.
2) You should be removed from Paranet after your wise crack
about "my head in my ass". I will follow this up to Mr.Corbin
and use every means possible to remove you from this
"professional" message area. You are obviously not a mature
enough individual to handle the excitement here.
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From: Zach.Harman@p0.f630.n283.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Zach Harman)
Subject: Don Ecker's Foul Mouth
Date: 2 Aug 90 18:18:01 GMT
>Zach;
> >
> > Don Ecker is employed by Army Intelligene.
> >
> > Tim Bennett will be happy to reply. I'll give him a
> > call. In fact, give me your number and I'll have him call
> > you, ok?
> >
> >
>You misspelled Intelligence. See previous.
-
>I knew it was only a matter of time before something like this
>was put out by either the BS Bennett or Billy Cooper crowd.
-
>Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe!!!!!
>I really did try to give you time for you to realize how full of
>bull shit the Cooper and BS Bennett crowd is. Well, I still have
>that bottom land for sale.
-
>And just what ties me in with the Army Intelligence crowd?
-
>Hey Zach, pull your head out of your ass. Try thinking for yourself,
>the experience may prove beneifical for you, and hey, you might even
>like it. If not, try counseling.
-
>Don Ecker ( and in the backround..... from the old TV show
>"Secret Agent Man" the refrain rings out from the loud speakers )
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> ***************B I G G R I N***********************
-
I've seen smaller things posted and people kicked off this
system. Are you going to allow people such as Don Ecker to personally
insult other members of Paranet? Please consider my request.
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From: Don.Ecker@f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker)
Subject: Re: INFORMANT
Date: 4 Aug 90 17:16:00 GMT
Zach Harman states;
> Don, do you think it really matter to me if you are an
> informant? The whole UFO story is a BIG JOKE now.
> Everything
> is hype. I only posted the message to see what your
> response
> was. The results are as follows.....
Ok, you saw my response, and my remarks stand.
>
> 1) You attack my spelling error (intelligence) to gain
> an
> upper hand.
>
Well, if you are going to accuse me of being "Army Intelligence",
at least spell it right. Geeze, everyone is Sooooooooo!
sensitive.
> 2) You should be removed from Paranet after your wise
> crack
> about "my head in my ass". I will follow this up to
> Mr.Corbin
> and use every means possible to remove you from this
> "professional" message area. You are obviously not a
> mature
> enough individual to handle the excitement here.
Ohhhhhhh, the temperature is rising!!!! Well Zach my Lad. . .
wait till you see Part Two....... and if it walks like a duck,
quacks like a duck, LOOKS like a duck, and has webbed feet and a
bill, well them. . . . . must be one of Coopers "Secret Memos" he
saw back in 1972, eh??
Don ( pull it out Zach ) Ecker
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From: Don.Ecker@f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker)
Subject: Don Ecker's Foul Mouth
Date: 4 Aug 90 17:22:00 GMT
Ok Zach, once more I will quote your message that you resent, and
I will ask you to READ IT.
>
> Zach;
> >
> > Don Ecker is employed by Army Intelligene.
> >
> > Tim Bennett will be happy to reply. I'll give him a
> > call. In fact, give me your number and I'll have him call
> > you, ok?
> >
> You misspelled Intelligence. See previous.
> -
> I knew it was only a matter of time before something like this
> was put out by either the BS Bennett or Billy Cooper crowd.
>
> -
> Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe!!!!!
> I really did try to give you time for you to realize how full of
> bull shit the Cooper and BS Bennett crowd is. Well, I still have
> that bottom land for sale.
> -
> And just what ties me in with the Army Intelligence crowd?
> -
> Hey Zach, pull your head out of your ass. Try thinking for yourself,
> the experience may prove beneifical for you, and hey, you might even
> like it. If not, try counseling.
> -
> Don Ecker ( and in the backround..... from the old TV show
>
> "Secret Agent Man" the refrain rings out from the loud
> speakers )
> -
> ***************B I G G R I N***********************
> -
> I've seen smaller things posted and people kicked off this
> system. Are you going to allow people such as Don Ecker to personally
> insult other members of Paranet? Please consider my request.
>
Ad hominem attacks are NOT allowed. If you accuse someone ( and
in this case I mean me.....so as not to confuse anyone ) of being
an "Army Intelligence type", and you should have said "MILITARY
INTELLIGENCE, NOT ARMY" what is your proof.
Now had I said YOU WERE AN ASS, you would have a gripe, however I
said "pull your head out of your ass" what I meant was stop being
so gullible, think for yourself, and do some research, don't just
pull a Cooper or Bennett with empty accusations, slander, and
innuendo, but PROVE what you are saying.
Now if I insulted you, well as we used to say "Sin Loi".
Don ( Head of ParaNet Security ) Ecker
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From: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Delton)
Subject: Re: Crop Circle Hoax
Date: 28 Jul 90 05:51:00 GMT
No Way huh??? Words to choke on, no doubt!!
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From: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Delton)
Subject: Military deserters - GB
Date: 28 Jul 90 05:53:00 GMT
Local Radio talk show had on a couple (Vivian and Stan
Johnson of Tennesse) who are friends of Ken, one of the 6 soldiers
who went from germany to Gulf Breeze. He is the one who is 26
years old. THey have known him for a couple of years and he was
at their house for Christmas dinner in 1989. The apparently are
like a second set of parents to him. They met him when he came to
them to get some photos made of a model UFO. He had written a
sci-fi novel and wanted some UFO photos for it. He was "getting
into" psychic things at that time and was looking for a psychic
that he could feel comfortable with. As these folks put it "he
was looking for one who would say what he wanted to hear."
Ken did not desert from Germany. He was over here on a short
term leave but failed to go back when his leave was up. He was
also into fundemental/UFO based religion beleiveing that Christ
arrived on a UFO. He beleived he was one of the few who was aware
of this Christ/UFO connection. These surrogate parents basically
told him that it was old news, that people had been speculating
along those lines for years. He had come across the "Cooper
Papers" and apparently swallowed it hook, line, and sinker
believeing he was "in" on info that very few people were aware of.
His surrogate parents told him it was bogus info but he would hear
nothing other then what he wanted to believe.
He knew that there was going to be a big UFO meeting in Gulf
Breeze and went there in hopes of meeting his "hero" Bill Cooper.
He had trained at the Base at Pensecola and was familiar with the
area. He says that on Aug 1 there will be a big war break out,
that on Aug 5 there will be a big reorganization in the military,
and on Aug 6 a spaceship will come to Gulf Breeze for him and the
others to take them to an underground base in New Mexico. He
offered the Johnsons a seat on the spaceship.
IMHO, these 6 guys are one brick short of a full load, much like
their hero Bill Cooper. I don't find it terribly suprising that
the military would want to detain them for a while to try and find
out who all they have been talking to and what military secrets
they may have compromised. Having people like that with top
secret clearances is no joke.
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From: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Delton)
Subject: Re: More GB
Date: 28 Jul 90 06:08:00 GMT
RE: HAze to distance ratio
Yes John that makes a lot of sense. If you read some of the older
books that detail some of the older photo analysis techniques that were
used on some of the "Classic" cases you will find that they did a lot
of that sort of analysis. The Military analysts (photo) for one short
film spent MONTHS analyzing it. That was before the days of computers
and stuff. I'm not sure we haven't moved backwards in our analysis
techniques in some ways.
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From: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Delton)
Subject: Re: Deserters
Date: 28 Jul 90 06:22:00 GMT
It seems to me that the GB "thing" has reached the point where if a VW
with Tennesse plates on it was to run out of gas at the same time as
it's radio stopped working it would somehow be tied in to the UFO
situation there.
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From: Marge.Christensen@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Marge Christensen)
Subject: Mothman
Date: 2 Aug 90 01:13:00 GMT
Mothman sighted in Reddington Pass area, three campers caught sight of
the Pensevelanyia enigma Tuesday. The US forest service is
investigating [D.{ .. The US conservation society stated that
"Mothman like Bigfoot is an endangerd species. A massive search has
been launched in the Bisbee area.
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: ILL BREEZE
Date: 3 Aug 90 04:49:00 GMT
> Just saying that most people, if they felt they were going to be
> ridiculed and investigated as much as Ed has been, would never reveal
> any evidence they had.
> FJ
Not even for $800,000?
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: Gulf Breeze Six
Date: 3 Aug 90 04:56:00 GMT
> In a message to Michael Corbin <07-30-90 20:43> John Hicks wrote:
>
> JH> He said the reason they gave for coming back to America
> JH>is to meet Bill Cooper. MUFON has supplied them with
> JH>Cooper's address.
> JH> *Now* it all makes sense.
>
> Hmmmm...It doesn't make any sense at all John, why would they want to
> meet with Cooper?
>
Its my understanding that the leader of the clique got a hold of one of
Cooper's files. Over there in Germany, Cooper is next-to-unheard-of, and so
this guy apparently thought he was on to something big and secret and nobody
knows and oooooooooooooo, this is hot! He shared it with his friends, and they
came to the US to meet with this great mountaintop guru who was going to blow
the lid off it all.
I can see how it all happened, and how it can be connected with Gulf Breeze,
without it being a significant development.
Jim
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: Gulf Breeze Six
Date: 3 Aug 90 05:00:00 GMT
>
> Is there something wrong with Bill Cooper?
>
>
Is there something right with him?
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Ufo's?
Date: 4 Aug 90 01:38:00 GMT
> But the biggest question is how do Ufo's
> effect me, if they dont then who cares.
"Confrontations" by Jacques Vallee just might hold some answers to that
question.
Jim
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: INFORMANT
Date: 4 Aug 90 01:51:00 GMT
>
> Don Ecker is employed by Army Intelligene.
>
Note to Doug Rogers: I believe this qualifies under Paragraph 3 of the ParaNet
Echo Policies, does it not?
Jim
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From: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Delton)
Subject: Re: Deserters
Date: 4 Aug 90 05:14:00 GMT
I don't find the story of them going to GB to see the anti-christ or
whatever strange at all. Consider this - these guys, by some accounts
were already turning into wacked out fundies over the last couple of
years. Put that together with their jobs in intelligence. Put that
together with their predictions of a war breaking out around Aug 1st.
In my estimation the likely scenerio is that they, like most fundies,
were looking for "signs" that the "end" is at hand. There is not the
slightest doubt that the US had been tracking troop movements of the
Iraqies and knew weeks ago that they were planning something and had
pretty much figured out the timing. These guys got wind of the
intelligence estimates and thought "wow, this could be it, the end is
at hand" and figured that they really didn't have to worry about being
deserters once the anti-christ or whatever landed. So, based on their
intelligence info they made a good prediction about the war. Since
that prediction was based on actual data it is likely that it will be
the only prediction that works out for them. I think that that is
pretty much what the military figured out after talking to them and
thats why they just cut them loose - not much reason to prosecute a
bunch of wackos when the important thing is to just get rid of them.
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From: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Delton)
Subject: Re: media ignoring end-of-world cult
Date: 4 Aug 90 05:17:00 GMT
I've seen a couple of articles about the deserters in our local papers
including an AP report after AP supposedly "yanked it off the wires".
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From: Paul.Faeder@p0.f0.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Paul Faeder)
Subject: OUT THERE
Date: 4 Aug 90 16:06:41 GMT
In an article of <3 Aug 90 03:16:33 GMT>, 'MAJ ROBERT FLURY'
<fluryr@gw1.hanscom.af.mil> writes:
>Subject: OUT THERE
>
>Has anyone read a book called 'OUT THERE: The Gov'ts Search for ET'
>by Howard Blum (Simon & Schuster, 1990)?
No, but in the September 1990 issue of Penthouse, an excerpt from the book
appears. The correct title is "Out There: The Government's Secret Quest for
Extraterrestrials". Soon to be published by Simon & Schuster.
As Howard Blum says, while he was doing research on the Walker spy case, an
agent from the NSA mentioned a rumor about the gov't involvement with UFO's. At
the time Blum wasn't interested but after his book on the Walker's was
published this UFO rumor "was resounding unexpectantly through my
consciousness."
In this article Blum mentions 2 gov't groups; Project Aquarius and the UFO
Working Group.
Aquarius, which I had heard of before, was an operation which employed people
called viewers. These viewers could see any part of the world through their
mind's eye, and report what they were seeing as it was actually happening. In
the article, a viewer was shown pictures of US and Soviet submarines and was
able to pinpoint them on the globe by giving their coordinates. In a closed
door session of intelligence and military people, one viewer was "looking" at
a soviet sub and also saw a flying saucer directly above it.
One of the generals at this meeting was also involved in an incident where a
bogey entered earth space, performed "impossible" manuevers then disappeared.
This general asked 3 viewers to look at this area of space and draw what was
there a few days ago. Each viewer was seperated from the other and each
sketched a flying saucer.
I'll be looking for the book.
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: OUT THERE
Date: 4 Aug 90 09:48:00 GMT
> Subject: OUT THERE
>
> Has anyone read a book called 'OUT THERE: The Gov'ts Search for ET'
> by Howard Blum (Simon & Schuster, 1990)?
Not sure its available yet, except to reviewers such as Phil Klass. Klass
tries to explode it in his latest SUN (Skeptics UFO Newsletter), by saying it
contained 25 factual errors in the chapter about _him_. Apparently Blum says
Klass is "jaunty" and "pencil thin." "I've not been pencil-thin in 40 years,"
says Klass.
If that's the only thing Klass can find fault with (but of course it won't
be)....
Jim
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From: Clark.Matthews@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Re: Mothman
Date: 6 Aug 90 03:51:00 GMT
> Mothman sighted in Reddington Pass area, three campers
> caught sight of the Pensevelanyia enigma Tuesday. The US
> forest service is investigating [D.{ .. The US
Marge, was this in Pennsylvania? If so, where in Pennsylvania? If Mothman
-- a.k.a. The Jersey Devil, a.k.a. Springheel Jack -- is appearing in PA,
some of us here would be interested.
Many thanks!
Best,
Clark
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From: Paul.Faeder@p0.f0.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Paul Faeder)
Subject: exoglyphs
Date: 6 Aug 90 03:53:47 GMT
In the abduct echo you had mentioned exoglyphs. Do you know where I can see
examples of exoglyphs? Have any been reproduced in any books that you know of?
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From: Steve.Rose@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Rose)
Subject: Lazar-ium and more
Date: 4 Aug 90 19:03:00 GMT
* Replying to a message originally to Michael Corbin
JH> You'd be amazed how many things I've come across that
JH> relate to or are supposed to happen on Aug. 6. All kinds of
JH> things, important to junk. ;-)
I would just be happy to see it as the beginning of another work week.
Unfortunately...I cannot. :(
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From: Steve.Rose@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Rose)
Subject: Ecker and MI
Date: 4 Aug 90 19:05:00 GMT
* Replying to a message originally to Postmaster@Scicom.Alphacdc.Com
ZH> YOU GUYS ARE ATTACKING ME, AND NOT MY POSTINGS. I do not
ZH> believe that Don is a spy, or the Alternative 3 plans
ZH> exists. I am just posting information.
Perhaps they make it a habit of considering the *source*. >:-)
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From: Tyson.Mitchiner@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Tyson Mitchiner)
Subject: Lazar-ium and more
Date: 4 Aug 90 22:05:00 GMT
Well, I dont expect the media to cover much on what happens August
6th, (unless something BIG happens), so when August 6th has come and
gone, can anyone post here about what (even insignificant) events
happened then?
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