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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 277
Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 277
Thursday, July 26th 1990
Today's Topics:
GB 6
End of the World
Re: Photo Analysis
Re: Deserters
Re: 6 AWOLS found in GB
Fight-fligh and car's dying.
Re: GB Video
Re: Deserters
Re: 6 AWOLS found in GB
Re: Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE
Re: Soviet UFO Shootdown
Re: Cooper And Jfk
Re: More GB
Re: GB evidence chain
Re: Military Cult in GB?
6 AWOLS found in GB
Re: ILL BREEZE
Re: SEALED CAMERA
Re: Photo Analysis
Re: Deserters
Re: SEALED CAMERA
Crop Circle Hoax
A snippet from MUFON 90
Re: Recent Developments
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From: James Roger Black <jrblack@shemtaia.weeg.uiowa.edu>
Subject: GB 6
Date: 25 Jul 90 16:09:53 GMT
Bill English writes regarding the Gulf Breeze Six:
-+ An interesting developement is that although the
-+ story is getting extensive coverage in the local media, the stories that
-+ were going out on the AP and UPI have been jerked off of the wires.
Anybody have access to the Pensacola newspapers and a scanner?
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From: James Roger Black <jrblack@shemtaia.weeg.uiowa.edu>
Subject: End of the World
Date: 25 Jul 90 16:10:39 GMT
Has anybody noticed that 6 August 90 is the 45th anniversary of the bombing
of Hiroshima?
If the Anti-Christ looks anything like Michael Rennie, I'm going to smell a
rat.
Can you say, 'Klaatu Barada Nikto?'
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From: Bill.English@f5.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English)
Subject: Re: Photo Analysis
Date: 24 Jul 90 14:13:00 GMT
In a message to Bill English <07-23-90 20:45> Steve Peterson wrote:
SP> I believe MUFON has someone on tap for photo analysis,
SP>don't
SP>have details at my fingertips, but could provide, if you're
SP>interested. Steve
Steve,
Yes I am extremely interested. I would appreciate any help that you could
give...
Bill English
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From: Bill.English@f5.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English)
Subject: Re: Deserters
Date: 24 Jul 90 14:23:00 GMT
In a message to Bill English <07-23-90 21:03> Michael Corbin wrote:
MC>Is there anyway of verifying Clifford's information?
Mike,
With regard to being assigned to the 103rd of the 701st....during that time
frame...Yes...I have seen copies of the original orders which confirms this
much. Both the orders sending him and his retirement papers which list the
unit as his final unit before his retirement and discharge.
With regard to his having known the three intimately, that is another
question entirely. All we have at this point is his word, however it is my
estimation that he is one of the most crediable witnesses I have seen in a
while. This primarily because he documents everything. There is however some
question since it is rumored that he supposedly rescued a child from Grey
Aliens while in a national park here in New Mexico. He will neither confirm
or deny this to me unless it is in person, but he has more or less stated
that something happened...
One final thing to consider is the rumor that the six were going to head to
New Mexico after they accomplished whatever it was they were trying to do in
Gulf Breeze..If indeed they did know Clifford and were aware of the depth of
his involvement in UFOs then there is the possibility that they were
planning on making contact with him...
Bill..
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From: Don.Ecker@f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker)
Subject: Re: 6 AWOLS found in GB
Date: 25 Jul 90 09:05:00 GMT
Big John Burke says;
> >Anyone have more?
> Sure Zach! T.S. has lots more of this crap. You might
> also want to check with Bill Cooper, too. He has his own
> bbs now, but remember the rules: bring your own
> straightjacket, no common sense allowed.
AND, DON'T FORGET YOUR $30.00 IN US CURRENCY PER 3 MONTHS,
PAYABLE ASAP....... AND FOR ANOTHER $20.00 PER YEAR YOU TOO CAN
BE THE PROUD SUBSCRIBER OF THE CAJI NEWSLETTER........
or was that cagy?? I get SO CONFUSED..................
TOODLES...
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From: logajan@ns.network.com (John Logajan)
Subject: Fight-fligh and car's dying.
Date: 26 Jul 90 07:19:51 GMT
Topic: Fight or Flight (from a UFO)
I think it was Hynek or one of his associates who mentioned the different
reaction people have upon encountering a UFO event. I recall he mentioned
the case of a UFO incident involving a farm family. The husband went inside
the house, feeling fearful, and wanted nothing to do with it. The wife was
beside herself with curiosity and went outside to view it. If I recall, they
later both expressed suprise at their own reactions.
I can identify with both feelings and wonder what my reaction would really
be in a similar situation. I would like to think that I would try to get
as much viewing in as possible. But I know my heart would be pounding
to beat the band.
Topic: Radar killing car ignitions systems.
I don't know for sure what kills certain car ignitions in a radar field, but
I do know that radar waves are of relatively short wavelength and of very
high PULSED power. Because Radar's must use pulses of very short duration
(else the echoes start returning before the transmitter shuts off, and you
really can't have the transmitter on when the echoes start coming back
because you will drown them out with the sheer power of the transmitter)
they can be of extremely high power, on the order of hundreds of thousands
to millions of watts.
It should be noted that car engines are rather open as far as microwave
frequencies are concerned. There are the long hood slots, the gigantic
hole in the bottom of the engine comparment, leaks around the radiator
intake, etc.
Hence, having car ignitions (late model cars tend to have a high degree
of 'intelligence') exposed to and susceptible to million watt pulse radar
fields is neither particularly unexpected or surprising.
- John Logajan @ Network Systems; 7600 Boone Ave; Brooklyn Park, MN 55428
- logajan@ns.network.com, john@logajan.mn.org, 612-424-4888, Fax 424-2853
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From: Bill.English@f5.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English)
Subject: Re: GB Video
Date: 25 Jul 90 14:50:00 GMT
In a message to Bill English <07-22-90 17:45> Tyson Mitchiner wrote:
TM>Well.. I guess my curiousity is a lot stronger than my
TM>fear, because if I saw one, I would try to learn as much
TM>from it than run away and face the "What was it" questions.
Tyson, your a better man than I am....<grin>
Bill..
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From: Bill.English@f5.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English)
Subject: Re: Deserters
Date: 25 Jul 90 14:54:00 GMT
In a message to Bill English <07-22-90 17:59> Tyson Mitchiner wrote:
TM>Well, if the Army wanted to dispell any media or other
TM>interest in the story of those six people from W. Germany,
TM>the perfect story is to paint them as the Anti-Christ
TM>fanatics as shown in some newspaper articles... This
TM>subject should be investigated deeply to make sure that
TM>this isnt a hoax or a misinformation attempt by the govt.
I am already working on it..
Bill
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From: Bill.English@f5.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English)
Subject: Re: 6 AWOLS found in GB
Date: 25 Jul 90 14:56:00 GMT
In a message to Bill English <07-23-90 11:10> Richard Peek wrote:
RP>I'll see what I can dig up
RP>Rich
Thanks, your help would be appreciated..
Bill..
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From: Bill.English@f5.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English)
Subject: Re: Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE
Date: 25 Jul 90 14:59:00 GMT
In a message to Bill English <07-24-90 15:11> Jim Delton wrote:
JD>I can understand that you might respect him on a personal
JD>level but cannot fathom how you could respect him on a
JD>professional level (of course, that is really a
JD>contradiction in terms when it comes to UFOlogy). Doesn't
JD>mean it has to be anything personal at all; many people
JD>have respect for people who are honest while haveing no
JD>respect for the positions that they take on issues.
(laughing).....TOUCHE!
Bill..
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From: Bill.English@f5.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English)
Subject: Re: Soviet UFO Shootdown
Date: 25 Jul 90 16:16:00 GMT
In a message to All <07-24-90 02:12> postmaster@scicom.alphacdc.com wrote:
po>This report was conveyed to me by a Soviet national
po>currently residing in the
po>U.S. He obtained his information from a relative still in
po>the Soviet Union,
po>who in turn got it from Soviet newspapers about six months
po>ago.
It would seem that this report coincides with several reports that I have
been getting from my sources. It certainly is falling within the same time
frame. I do know that the Soviet Government does sponsor UFO Clubs and
research publically, unlike the American Government.
Bill..
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From: Steve.Peterson@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Peterson)
Subject: Re: Cooper And Jfk
Date: 26 Jul 90 04:56:00 GMT
I have seen Cooper's copy of the Zepruder film, and at first
blush, it does look like the driver (Greer) turns and points
a chrome-plated .45 looking 'weapon'. However, if you look on
page 86 of 'Crime of the Century' by Michael Kurtz, or view a
*clear* copy of the Zepruder film, it's obvious to me, that
the 'barrel' of the weapon, is the sun reflecting off of
Kellerman's head. Greer does turn around twice, and the car
does slow down, but I don't think the President was shot from
within the car. I do firmly believe that there is ample
evidence to open an honest investigation. Steve
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From: Barry.Williams@p0.f1.n606.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Barry Williams)
Subject: Re: More GB
Date: 25 Jul 90 21:01:45 GMT
Jym--
This follow-up to your message about the GB matter concerning Ed Walters
was discussed fully and in-depth at the MUFON symposium. They has
have since tracked down the person that Ed had done building plans
for and she has testified as to the accuracy of the documents involved,
etc. Further, the time correlations all seem to fit into Ed's story
as well. I can't remember her name offhand but somewhere around here
I have the Gulf Breeze "Sentinel's" report of this incident. If I
can find it, I'll type it in for everyone to read. Incidentally,
I have a good friend in Pensacola who has promised to forward to me
all of the UFO-related stories that are published. The Gulf Breeze
paper tends to carry more of these than the regular Pensacola paper;
many of the residents of Gulf Breeze are beginning to consider themselves
as the Anointed Ones, strategically located in the epicenter of all
of this UFO-related activity. There apparently is another book about
to be published concerning all of the other sightings and accounts
other than Ed and Frances'. I'll keep you posted. Hope all of this
wasn't old news.
Barry J.
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: GB evidence chain
Date: 25 Jul 90 06:05:00 GMT
> John, you are correct..I remembered that I saw the drawings in Commander
> Mosely's "Saucer Smear"....Hmmmmm...I wonder why Jim Mosely has taken
> such an adement stance in defence of Ed. It seems slightly out of
> character for him..
>
Bill:
Read the Commander's words more closely. He is not by any means a believer.
He just thinks this is the damnedest case that has ever come down the pike. In
other words, he hasn't the foggiest idea how Ed has pulled it off, and doesn't
think anyone else does, either. I tend to agree, and I applaud Ed's genius.
Jim
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: Military Cult in GB?
Date: 25 Jul 90 06:07:00 GMT
> recent developements are leading me to believe that the Cult story is
> nothing more than material released by the government to try and throw
> everyone off the trail. An interesting developement is that although the
> story is getting extensive coverage in the local media, the stories that
> were going out on the AP and UPI have been jerked off of the wires.
>
Quick question, Bill: how does one tell that a wire story is being "jerked off
the wires"? How do you know it didn't simply die a natural death?
Jim
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: 6 AWOLS found in GB
Date: 25 Jul 90 06:13:00 GMT
> Jim,
> I see you on CI$ some (I'm a big llurker. Do you use the news clipping
> service for research?? I'm considering this.
I used to. Its a very good tool and I recommend it highly. I just don't
anymore because, well, I use TAPCIS and just keep forgetting to manually check
my folders. Besides, a lot of other people do that legwork for us now.
The advantages of belonging to a network.
Jim
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: ILL BREEZE
Date: 25 Jul 90 16:27:00 GMT
> JS> sounds like it could be as high as S4/P5. But I am 100%
> JS> convinced that Ed's photos are a hoax. The idea that his
>
> What "PROOF" convinced you that Ed's photos are a hoax??
>
The totality of the evidence convinced me.
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: SEALED CAMERA
Date: 25 Jul 90 16:29:00 GMT
> I finally saw the book, and scanned the photos (without buying it) at
> the local Waldens. I can't believe it! I think the Japanese Lampshade
> theory explains it all. Sorry for being so blunt, and making unsupported
> statements (which are generally out of character for me) but the photos
> reek like a fish in the sun. My opinion only as I have to admit, but
> thinking about the scale, and distances, and sizes of the "UFOs" and
> perspectives etc. it's just very hard to believe this one.
You're not alone, Pete. "Reeks" is a beautiful word for this case.
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: Photo Analysis
Date: 25 Jul 90 16:35:00 GMT
> Bill,
> The only thing I found was the following-
> William Spaulding
> Ground Sauser Watch
> 13238 N. 7th Drive
> Pheonix, Az 85029
Good luck...no one's heard from Spaulding for years.
Jim
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From: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Delton)
Subject: Re: Deserters
Date: 26 Jul 90 04:01:00 GMT
If the army wanted to dispell any interest why would they portray themn
as fanatics?????? Doing that is sure to get them in all the
newspapers in the country (as has happened). If they wanted to dispell
any interest they could have said nothing and wisked them back to
Germany.
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From: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Delton)
Subject: Re: SEALED CAMERA
Date: 26 Jul 90 04:07:00 GMT
Aha, someone else who is willing to believe his eyes when faced with
obviously (to me) fake photos. If we had a "real" UFO and flew it
around ED's house I'd bet he couldn't come anywhere near getting as
good a series of photos of that as he did of the UFO he did photo.
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Crop Circle Hoax
Date: 26 Jul 90 04:47:00 GMT
LONDON (AP) -- Someone equipped with Ouija boards, wooden crosses and a
sense of humor played a practical joke on a team of investigators trying to
determine the cause of mysterious circles that appear suddenly in farm fields.
The team of engineers and photographers thought they had cracked the mystery
when sophisticated cameras and monitoring equipment recorded flashing orange
lights Tuesday night in a field they are watching in Wiltshire.
When the international team found two large circles with parallel lines
running through them on Wednesday morning, they were really intrigued.
But upon closer examination they realized they had been had.
Ouija boards and wooden crosses were found in the center of the circles, and
the Operation Blackbird researchers were not amused.
"Somebody had a joke, but it has actually set our research back," said Colin
Andrews, a team member and the author of "Circular Findings."
"We have a serious job to do. It is only funny for 60 seconds," he said,
adding that the recording of flashing lights were probably thermal images of
people running around in circles.
The investigators from the United States, Japan, West Germany and Britain
had planned to spend three weeks monitoring the field in the Vale of Pewsey in
the town of Wiltshire, 75 miles southwest of London. It was not immediately
clear if the practical joke would cause them to change their plan.
They are trying to determine the source of the mysterious circles, which
have appeared suddenly among crops in England and elsewhere in Europe.
The perfectly formed circles of flattened corn -- some with decorative
patterns, some with concentric rings -- were first recorded in England in 1678.
In other countries, the circles have been reported in sand, snow and rice
paddies. The circles have been variously attributed to whirlwinds, witches,
magnetic forces, animals, spaceships -- and hoaxers.
Last year, 300 circles appeared and as many theories as to why.
The most recent theory, published in the New Scientist magazine, suggested
they were formed by weather conditions and electrical charges in the area.
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: A snippet from MUFON 90
Date: 26 Jul 90 05:32:00 GMT
Here's an interesting exchange from the Q&A session at the MUFON conference:
Don Ecker (to Ed Walters): There's been a story circulating around that the
gentleman who made these accusations [Tom Smith, Jr.] against you has come
forward with this story because his parents were very strong religious
background and they did not accept easily the notion of UFOs. Is there any
veracity to this rumor?
Walters: I certainly would have nothing to say as to the motives behind what
anybody says. I don't know what motivates people to do what they do, I'm not
a psychiatrist or a psychologist. I could guess, but I....
Ecker: Let me put it this way. Do these people, to your knowledge, have a
very strong religious background [indistinct] and would it be conceviable
that the idea of UFOs would be placed in context of demons [indistinct] or
something like that - to your knowledge?
Walters: To my knowledge these people are very nice people. I do not have any
knowledge of their religious beliefs and I do not know what their motives
are.
Klass: But on the Chuck Harder show [For the People 6/20/90] you did
attribute it to religious motivations - the father's concern.
Walters: When I'm asked to guess and speculate, I can guess and speculate
with the best of us. But what the actual motives are I do not know.
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FLASHBACK: "For the People" with Chuck Harder, 6/20/90. Guest: Ed Walters.
Walters: I do know this young man (Smith) and I went on record in January of
88, when the young man came to me and said, Ed, I've taken five photographs,
aor maybe it was six, of a UFO. He asked me what to do and I said, well, go to
the press or go to the investigators and tell your story and show them your
photographs. He said, I can't. My father is talking very strangely about
angels and a lot of very religious discussions, and he said he was very, very
much afraid that it was affecting his father.
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Now, why would Ed suddenly start downplaying the religious angle, to the point
of denying his own words?
Just another mystery to be added to the pile.
Jim
(transcripts courtesy P. Klass)
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From: Bill.English@f5.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English)
Subject: Re: Recent Developments
Date: 25 Jul 90 14:42:00 GMT
In a message to Bill English <07-22-90 13:05> John Burke wrote:
JB>Bill: I would think that after Moore's infamous "Vegas
JB>speech", Friedman would have to be trying like hell to
JB>distance himself from that guy, to keep his own reputation
JB>from being "tainted". That's probably why he had to really
JB>"bust his butt" on his "MJ-12 Final Report". Anything
JB>short of a genuine effort at analysis would have made him
JB>look suspicious. -- John
John, this is entirely possible, however I would also point out that Stanton
did a pretty good job on his final report. I have been catching a lot of
heat because of my opinion which I based on the report and the job he did.
Not because of his association with Bill Moore and the rather ambious slam
job on the part of Phil Klass...Hmmmm...methinks that Klass has been trying
to hard to slam Stan and debunk Gilf Breeze.....I wonder why?
Bill..
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