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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 280
Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 280
Sunday, July 29th 1990
Today's Topics:
Re: Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE
Re: INFORMANT
Re: Military Cult In Gb?
Re: INFORMANT
More GB
Deserters
Deserters
Crop Circle Hoax
Re: ED WALTERS
media ignoring end-of-the-world
Re: More Stuff..
Re: Crop Circle Hoax
media ignoring end-of-world cult
Re: INFORMANT
Deserters
Re: Melting Ice on Mars
Re: INFORMANT
Paranet Posting guidelines
Re: photo analysis
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From: Bill.English@f5.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English)
Subject: Re: Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE
Date: 27 Jul 90 15:13:00 GMT
In a message to Bill English <07-25-90 22:41> Don Allen wrote:
DA>As in "John Lear" and yourself? Most definately has been
DA>noticed
DA>and pointed out by others..I believe the termm is called
DA>"Plagiarism".
This is true, but it's not worth the time or trouble to pursue..
DA>These guys, Moore, Cooper, and Knell have a need for a
DA>pyschologist
Watch it guy :-)....If someone wanted to get real nasty they could say the
same thing about John and me....
DA>it would appear to me..either that or they have one helluva
DA>ego trip
DA>to satisfy..it's unfortunate, but they stand in the way of
DA>really
DA>important work to be done.
Hmmmmm.....Can't argue with this one..
Bill..
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From: Bill.English@f5.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English)
Subject: Re: INFORMANT
Date: 27 Jul 90 15:15:00 GMT
In a message to Bill English <07-25-90 23:31> Don Allen wrote:
DA>AHA! Gotcha...ask Timmy if he's found that underground base in Dulce yet..
DA>Maybe he can get Don Ecker to write an article about his travels...
I'm kinda of curious about that myself...we haven't heard from in in a
while..I wonder if the indians scalped him (snicker)
Bill..
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From: Michael.Corbin@f3206.n207.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Re: Military Cult In Gb?
Date: 29 Jul 90 06:25:00 GMT
> As it happens Jim, I have some friends that work both for
> the AP and UPI. I know the Staff Chief for AP here in New
> Mexico and the net coordinator for UPI in Richmond, Va.
> (Both from having worked in Radio) I had called both of
> them to see if I could get them to hold copies of any of
> the stories that came down the wires about this. Candy
> Luckens from AP told me that they wouldn't be running
> anymore stories because an order came down telling them to
> kill what they had and not to send anymore out. Chris
> Tabaugh of UPI told me pretty much the same thing.
Do you think that they would be willing to put that into writing?
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From: Zach.Harman@p0.f630.n283.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Zach Harman)
Subject: Re: INFORMANT
Date: 26 Jul 90 17:34:12 GMT
Don Ecker is employed by Army Intelligene.
Tim Bennett will be happy to reply. I'll give him a call. In fact,
give me your number and I'll have him call you, ok?
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From: Steve.Rose@p1.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Rose)
Subject: More GB
Date: 27 Jul 90 08:15:55 GMT
In a message to Jym Fox <25 Jul 90 14:01:00> Barry Williams wrote:
BW> the regular Pensacola paper; many of the residents of Gulf Breeze
BW> are beginning to consider themselves as the Anointed Ones.
<<<< Barf! >>>>
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From: Steve.Rose@p1.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Rose)
Subject: Deserters
Date: 27 Jul 90 08:24:38 GMT
In a message to Jim Delton <26 Jul 90 22:20:00> Tyson Mitchiner wrote:
TM> This is all hypothetical.. To me, the story of them going to GB to
TM> see the "anti-christ" or whatever sounds way too far-fetched to me..
Especially when everyone knows the Anti-Christ has been living in Boise all
this time. ;-)
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From: Tyson.Mitchiner@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Tyson Mitchiner)
Subject: Deserters
Date: 27 Jul 90 05:20:00 GMT
WWel, if the Govt just said nothing and whisked them back to
Germany, someone, somehow would find out and it would leak to the
media and people would be inquiring about it.. So, a good way to
stop that is to admit it happen, but however show them as a bunch of
crazy people.. I mean, who is interested in crazy people?
This is all hypothetical.. To me, the story of them going to GB to
see the "anti-christ" or whatever sounds way too far-fetched to me..
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From: Tyson.Mitchiner@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Tyson Mitchiner)
Subject: Crop Circle Hoax
Date: 27 Jul 90 05:46:00 GMT
What gets to me is, if they were recording those orange glows, why
didn't they get closer and check it out?
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From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: ED WALTERS
Date: 26 Jul 90 15:34:47 GMT
Someone may want to keep the model (hidden away) in case they wanted to
produce more photos of the same subject on a future date? I just found my
blue shorts, which I did not hide, they were misplaced and forgotten. I found
1957 newspapers on the rafters of my home when I moved in, along with some
things in the back under the sink where people forgot they had placed them
there. You get the idea, maybe it was a prototype and he forgot it under the
insulation when he moved?
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: media ignoring end-of-the-world
Date: 27 Jul 90 20:51:02 GMT
I've noticed the same lack of media attention. My local newspaper,
the Orlando Sentinel, didn't have a peep. It's part of the Chicago
Tribune group of newspapers.
The Sentinel has had two major stories in its Sunday magazine about
the Gulf Breeze incidents, and also had a wire story about the model
incident on its world news roundup page. It also ran a wire story
recently about the Belgian ufos.
But not a peep about the story of six Army intel types being
arrested in Gulf Breeze, Florida, and possibly being charged with
desertion. Really odd.
jbh
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From: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen)
Subject: Re: More Stuff..
Date: 28 Jul 90 05:25:01 GMT
SP> Don,
SP> The only place I've seen the 'censored' stories is on a
SP> local bbs TC 714 599-6270. -
SP> File area E.....PC1989.ZIP 58k
SP> File area N.....Cens87.TXT 18k
SP> I have contact with a source and can find out where else
SP> the stories are available. I think you will enjoy them,
SP> they
SP> should be on everyones *must* read list. Steve
Hey thanks guy.,.I'll check it out.
Don Allen
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: Crop Circle Hoax
Date: 28 Jul 90 09:23:00 GMT
> What the researchers failed to discuss is whether they would
> have figured out it was a hoax if the hoaxers had NOT left the
> ouija board and other stuff. Apparently the hoaxers were able
> to get in and get out right under their noses. The outcome
> might have been quite different had nothing been left behind.
I may be wrong, but my impression is that the investigators were
using IR cameras (probably video) and/or starlight scopes, and weren't
actually on the scene. Maybe in a nearby house or something.
Anyway, somehow I have the idea that they figured the blobs of light
they caught were ufos or whatever, and it turned out that the blobs
were body heat of the hoaxers on IR or the low-res output of image
intensifiers.
I understand the corn was damaged when it was flattened.
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: media ignoring end-of-world cult
Date: 28 Jul 90 09:24:01 GMT
> What area exactly is it? What papers and stations are involved?
The Orlando (Fla.) Sentinel, part of the Chicago Tribune chain,
hasn't had the slightest peep about it.
I hardly ever watch TV so I don't know about the local TV stations.
I suspect I would have heard about it they had, though.
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: INFORMANT
Date: 28 Jul 90 09:25:02 GMT
> Don Ecker is employed by Army Intelligene.
Prove it.
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Deserters
Date: 28 Jul 90 09:25:03 GMT
> Especially when everyone knows the Anti-Christ has been living
> in Boise all this time. ;-)
Maybe he's going to stop by Gulf Breeze on a trip to Disney World.
;-)
jbh
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From: Doug.Rogers@p0.f1.n606.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Doug Rogers)
Subject: Re: Melting Ice on Mars
Date: 29 Jul 90 06:45:18 GMT
What the scenario of the h-bomb melting the polar caps does NOT address
is the extremely low pressure of the Martian atmosphere. The H-bomb
is NOT going to increase the planet's gravity, and without that you
can release all the gasses you like... they will bleed away into space
and not raise the air pressure on Mars anywhere NEAR what would be
required for human habitation.
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From: Doug.Rogers@p0.f1.n606.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Doug Rogers)
Subject: Re: INFORMANT
Date: 29 Jul 90 06:54:34 GMT
> Don Ecker is employed by Army Intelligene.
>
> Tim Bennett will be happy to reply. I'll give him
> a call. In fact, give me your number and I'll have him
> call you, ok?
>
This is the second message you have posted in this echo in as many
days that is flippant and derogatory without making any contribution
to our discussions.
I am asking you, nicely, to either cease these posts, or offer concrete
proof NOW as to the factuality of both your contentions and your
opinions.
Failing to do this, I am asking you to STOP the meaningless posts
RIGHT NOW. I ask this both as a Paranet Sysop, and as the moderator
of this echo.
No reply is needed.
Doug Rogers
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From: Doug.Rogers@p0.f1.n606.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Doug Rogers)
Subject: Paranet Posting guidelines
Date: 29 Jul 90 07:13:11 GMT
New readers are always joining Paranet. For their benefit, allow me to review
the rules of posting which we ask all our users to adopt:
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From: Jerry.Seward@f4.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jerry Seward)
Subject: Re: photo analysis
Date: 29 Jul 90 09:24:00 GMT
> Hmmmm..I hadn't considered Eastman Kodak....I'll check it
> out
I can help there if you like, Bill. I'm right here in Rochester and I
know several reliable and discreet employees there.
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