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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 272
Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 272
Saturday, July 21st 1990
Today's Topics:
Re: GB Video
Re: Recent Developments
Re: tidbits
Re: Traffic
Re: Ill Breeze
6 AWOLS found in GB
Re: more stuff..
Re: more stuff..
"The End of the World group"
Re: ILL BREEZE
CARP
6 AWOLS found in GB
Paranet Newsletter 270
Paranet Newsletter 270
Re: more stuff..
Sealed Camera
Re: Traffic reports, rush hour..
Re: GB evidence chain
Re: More GB
Re: Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE
Re: Recent Developments
6 AWOLS found in GB
Re: tidbits
Re: ILL BREEZE
Re: Recent Developments
Re: 6 AWOLS found in GB
Re: Military Cult in GB?
Re: More Stuff..
Re: Ill Breeze
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From: Frances.Jones@p5.f701.n362.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Frances Jones)
Subject: Re: GB Video
Date: 14 Jul 90 19:03:08 GMT
In a message of <11 Jun 90 08:39:00>, Charles Mcelhinney (9:1010/70) writes:
>when I heard the audio of them talking in the backround "Gee honey, what
>is it?" "I don't know. I just don't know." It didn't seem like the
>"right" thing to say. Any normal person would've just dropped the camera
>and run for his life.
I have to disagree here Charles. I have sat with people (approximately 25 to
30) and watched a group of UFOs. Nobody got all upset or frightened. We all
watched them until they finally went away. I did take time out to call the
local sheriff, who said "Yeah, sure lady." but other than the few minutes it
took to make the call from inside the office, we ALL watched them with extreme
curiosity and amazement at the way they maneuvered.
As a matter of fact, the conversation you quoted was similar to what was said
that night.
Normal, I guess, is in the eye of the beholder. (grin)
FJ
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From: John.Burke@f876.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke)
Subject: Re: Recent Developments
Date: 19 Jul 90 05:50:00 GMT
Jim: Well, now it looks like "Mr. Team Player" - Bill Moore (known for
his supportive assistance in the investigations conducted by Paul
Bennewitz) is coming to the rescue once again. It appears that he has
been in touch with Avon Books (publisher of _Roswell_). As a result,
the previously-announced release date in November has become a big
question mark. Of course, I'm sure that Bill is acting in the best
interests of all ufologists, as he usually does.
Anyway, it sounds like there is a good story here for UFO
magazine, if you catch my drift.
-- John
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: tidbits
Date: 18 Jul 90 07:31:00 GMT
JB> got the $1,000 for the typestyle issue only. I think Klass
Typestyle issue is what he said. Sorry if I gave the wrong impression.
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: Traffic
Date: 18 Jul 90 07:33:01 GMT
JK> We'll have to get together and get some sailing done!!!!
JK> The best years, yo' got it!!
Yep. My boat's over at Merritt Island (near KSC) more-or-less stored for a
while.
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: Ill Breeze
Date: 18 Jul 90 17:41:03 GMT
> I have heard (read) that video was taken by someone, other
> than Ed Walters, perporting to show a ufo 'shadowed' by two
> military fighter aircraft.
Seems to me I've heard that too, but I don't know for sure. Several
witnesses saw military choppers apparently try to intercept a ufo on
April 11.
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: 6 AWOLS found in GB
Date: 19 Jul 90 01:02:00 GMT
> Does anyone think it suspicious that one of the AWOL persons
> missing from Germany was found it Gulf Breeze.
Say what?! Details please.
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From: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen)
Subject: Re: more stuff..
Date: 19 Jul 90 07:32:01 GMT
JK>..We have tunnel vision to an extent, and a lot of it is brought on by
JK>the "third estate", the media.
uhhhh..You mean the _controlled media_..I've done quite a bit
of research in the last few years on them. Maybe one day soon I will
post some excerpts/snippets out of the vast amount of info I've
collected on this..
For instance..you'd be *surprised* (or maybe not) to see the
members of the board of directors that sit on AT&T's management
team..lots of interlocks between other companies.
Not to mention the history behind the Council on Foreign Relations
(CFR), the Bilderburg group, The Institute for Pacific Studies,
The Tri-lateral Commission and the vast influence that
==> David Rockefeller <== exerts.
It doesn't surprise me at all that the media is both liberal and
biased..All three of the major networks are represented by members
of the above mentioned groups.
The "who's who" of the members of those groups are quite lengthy
and combined they represent literally hundreds of corporations.
What's got me wondering, is ALL the sightings in Brussels..Awhile
back,there was a fellow named John Zajack, who is a prominent
scientist/writer/lecturer who was going around on the talk radio
circuit discussing his new book called "A Delicate Balance"
(Huntington House Publishing Co,POB 53788, Lafayette,La) and
what he was saying is a very disturbing move towards a super
computer that's already up and running in Brussels..He claims
that it's being programmed to keep track of people's movements
in the near future..(That's what I've heard..I haven't read the book
yet).
He calls this computer "The Beast"...
I just wonder if there's a tie-in here somewheres....there must
be *something* going on in Belgium to warrant all the UFO attention.
-Don Allen-
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From: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen)
Subject: Re: more stuff..
Date: 19 Jul 90 07:54:02 GMT
JS>So much for the question I often get asked by critics: "I can imagine a UFO
cover-up in this country, but how could it be so world-wide? Why would so many
other countries conspire to hide the truth?" Another argument bites the dust.
It's unfortunate that our "news" people in this country have
the "Maury Povich" attitude that they do.
Hell,they wouldn't know a *good* story if it jumped up and
bit em' in the rump....
I have *yet* to see/hear any reports on TV about Brussels..
What? Peter Jennings lead off with a UFO story? Surely you jest.
Of course, his 'handlers' don't WANT the truth to get out to
the American Public...we might DEMAND explanations from our
Govt and that could get sticky for more than a few people
in high Govt circles.
Wonder what the handlers will do when the inevitable does happen
when a bootlegged video does get shown somewheres..I doubt
it will happen in "Prime Time" though until the issue gets
pushed when too many people start asking too many questions.
A friend of mine is visiting Brussels right now and I've
begged/cajoled him to come back with some hard data..ie..
interviews..newspaper clippings..some FILM..
-Don Allen-
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From: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen)
Subject: "The End of the World group"
Date: 19 Jul 90 08:03:03 GMT
<line eater..what line ea
I putting this forth as a general query.
The other day, a sysop friend of mine got me in chat and
knowing my interest in UFO's and such proceeded to tell me
of a short report that he'd heard on the local business
radio program. To the best of my recollection, he says
that there was a "bust" of a group in Germany recently
who call themselves "The End of The World" group..They
were busted for espionage of some military property
(or some such thing). The group was composed of 5 men
and 1 woman. The report had linked them with (of all
places) Gulfbreeze!
Does *anyone* know of this or has any info on it?
My friend was an ex-special forces and was wanting
to know if anyone did know about this..
Thanks in advance for any information if anyone can
shed some light on this.
-Don Allen-
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: ILL BREEZE
Date: 19 Jul 90 08:32:00 GMT
JS> I for one would like to see an all-out full scale
JS> investigation of JUST ONE OTHER INDEPENDENT SIGHTING in the
JS> area.
I understand that quite a few are being thoroughly prodded at, but we're
not hearing any more than the occasional snippet yet. I'd like to see more
investigating too, but I have a feeling the dust around Ed will have to
settle more first.
jbh
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From: Frank.Cox@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Frank Cox)
Subject: CARP
Date: 20 Jul 90 08:31:00 GMT
To those of you who answered my "question" about the validity of the
CARP file, thank you. You mentioned it sounds like Cooper and on that
I will agree it sounds similar. My biggest argument was that the
helicopters dropped their load of gas "downwind" from the target. Now
that just doesn't make sense. I've re-read the file a few times and was
thinking perhaps the author meant DW from the helicopters, but it
appears as DW from the "object". It's little inconsistancies like that
that make it "suspect". Now I have another question for you all, is
there in fact a nerve gas "Vexxon"? All you chemists out there, please
reply!
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From: Richard.Peek@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Richard Peek)
Subject: 6 AWOLS found in GB
Date: 18 Jul 90 23:08:04 GMT
Does anyone think it suspicious that one of the AWOL persons missing
from Germany was found it Gulf Breeze. As soon as they said
access to classified information, bells went off. Any comments??
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From: alex@atherton.com (Alex Leavens)
Subject: Paranet Newsletter 270
Date: 20 Jul 90 17:13:05 GMT
Bill English writes:
-+.BTW I have finished that paper on 'Paranormal Activity and It's
-+relationship to the UFO Abduction Phenomenon' You can download it from my
-+system anytime. File name 'PARAUFO.ZIP'. Let me know what you think...
...and then he doesn't tell us what his BBS number is!!
For those of us on USEnet, Bill, could you _please_ post your BBS
number?
Thanks.
(And parity, and speeds, etc.)
--alex (The Frequency Research Guy)
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From: alex@atherton.com (Alex Leavens)
Subject: Paranet Newsletter 270
Date: 20 Jul 90 17:13:42 GMT
Jim Speiser writes:
-+I'm sure someone here could run a star map program to at least narrow it down,
-+but I think they'll need your approximate latitude and a more exact location
-+of the object (almost overhead when facing what direction?).
Okay. I live in northern California, near San Francisco (I live in
the East Bay, bit south of Oakland, actually.) That's as good as I can
do for latitude...
As for almost overhead, it didn't matter _which_ direction you faced--
this thing was _straight up_ (ie, high noon).
-+If you noticed a very slight haziness, it might have been a high altitude
-+cloud layer, which got thicker while you weren't noticing, and caused the
-+object to disappear.
Yeah, I thought of that. Problem is, this puppy was _bright_, bright
enough to leave 'tracers' behind when you moved your eyes off of it.
Something else I didn't mention--at one point, a plane flew underneath
it (blocked it for a moment), and when the plane had moved, the
object wasn't there anymore. About 10 seconds later it 'came back
on'.
-+Just theorizing.
No problem, that's what I want.
But a star? In the middle of the afternoon? Man, it'd have to be
one _bright_ mother... <grin>
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: more stuff..
Date: 20 Jul 90 05:09:00 GMT
> What's in Photo #6????????
That's the one where the object is in perfectly sharp focus while the
background is blurred slightly from camera motion, a virtual impossibility
unless Ed was tracking the object perfectly. Since I don't think anyone can
track an object that perfectly for such a lengthy shutter opening, I believe
that this is proof of a hoax.
Jim
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Sealed Camera
Date: 20 Jul 90 05:11:00 GMT
> I just have one question?
> Was'nt Ed given a 3d camera that was sealed by the mufon
> investigators???
Yes, and he took a picture of an anomalous and rather uninteresting blob of
light with it. No Japanese lampshades.
Jim
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: Traffic reports, rush hour..
Date: 20 Jul 90 05:15:00 GMT
Bill:
I think we're all looking forward to renewed good relations with FIDO under
Jym's watchful eye. George Adam was, well, an INTERESTING moderator - a
Catholic priest/deputy sheriff/paranormal buff/Czech refugee - but it was
definitely time for a change.
Jim
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: GB evidence chain
Date: 20 Jul 90 05:24:00 GMT
> I just saw a copy of Ed's new Book with a rather detailed drwing it of
> the UFO..Seems to me that this drawing or something like it could have
> been used to make a model..
Bill:
That is exactly the claim made by Ed. He points out that a feature missing in
the model is ALSO missing in the sketch. I predict that it will eventually
turn out that Ed made the model that way on purpose and planted it in the
house himself, giving it enough "plausible deniability" to be able to turn
around and say "Hey, look, they're at it again!"
Think of it this way, Bill. Do you think Ed would be stupid enough to leave
that kind of evidence behind by accident? Now, do you REALLY think a debunker
would be stupid enough to plant it? Neither makes sense. But Ed planting it to
make it LOOK like someone else planted it, in order to garner more
sympathy...THAT makes sense to me. Think about it...it HAS gained him more
sympathy in some quarters, hasn't it? Many people here are turning an even
more suspicious eye on "the debunkers", whoever that might be.
Incidentally gang, an update on the model: A report will be coming out
shortly to show that the records of the floor plan depicted on the
construction paper used in the model were on file with Gulf Breeze City Hall
TWO YEARS PRIOR TO THE BUILDING OF THE HOUSE in which they were used...in
other words, the plans DO PREDATE Ed's first encounter. So much for that
argument.
Jim
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: More GB
Date: 20 Jul 90 05:27:00 GMT
> JS>There is a Ray Griffin that checks in once in a while...
>
> Jim,
>
> Ray Griffin uses my other echoes quite extensively. Want I should try
> and see if something can be arranged?
>
Sorry, Bill, I've lost the sense of the thread. What are we trying to arrange,
and why? Ray is welcome to stop by here, and used to do so frequently. While
thriving on controversy, he was always polite at least, and never maligned
anyone that I know of, nor broke any ParaNet guidelines. If you talk with him,
tell him he's welcome here (unless someone else has objections?)
Jim
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE
Date: 20 Jul 90 05:33:00 GMT
Bill:
I've also spoken to Antonio since the article appeared, and he agrees he went
to press with it too quickly, that the whole thing appears to be bogus. Bear
in mind that he's a grunt writer for a small NY paper, lives a very meager
lifestyle, and tries his damnedest with what he's got to be as credible as
possible. He's very, very "into" the subject, he eats, breathes, sleeps and
farts UFOs, and his knowledge of the subject is absolutely phenomenal. In the
two days he spent as my houseguest, I was unable to hit him with a sighting
of any consequence he hadn't heard of - but, oy, was he able to swamp me with
sightings *I* hadn't heard of! And a nicer guy there ain't.
Jim
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: Recent Developments
Date: 20 Jul 90 05:35:00 GMT
> Jim: Well, now it looks like "Mr. Team Player" - Bill Moore (known for
> his supportive assistance in the investigations conducted by Paul
> Bennewitz) is coming to the rescue once again. It appears that he has
> been in touch with Avon Books (publisher of _Roswell_). As a result,
> the previously-announced release date in November has become a big
> question mark. Of course, I'm sure that Bill is acting in the best
> interests of all ufologists, as he usually does.
> Anyway, it sounds like there is a good story here for UFO
> magazine, if you catch my drift.
I do indeed, and hope that Vicki catches it too.
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: 6 AWOLS found in GB
Date: 20 Jul 90 05:38:00 GMT
> Does anyone think it suspicious that one of the AWOL persons missing
> from Germany was found it Gulf Breeze. As soon as they said access to
> classified information, bells went off. Any comments??
All six were members of a cult called "End of the World." There may be
absolutely no connection to the UFO case, but 6 members of the 701st
_M_ilitary _I_ntelligence _B_rigade, just happen to gravitate to the most
active UFO center in the world? And just happen to be New Age cultists?
God I love this business.
Jim
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: tidbits
Date: 20 Jul 90 05:46:00 GMT
> I think that you will begin to see a change within the next few months
> with regard to cooperation between the investigative organizations.
> Admittedly the past two years have been a virtual desert with regard to
> investigative quaility and standards, but I forsee a coming together in
> the near future where a major summit may be in the offing where
> representatives from all of the organizations come together to establish
> a set of investigative criteria and standards.
I wish I could believe that, Bill, but with what is happening in the field as
we speak, both publicly and behind the scenes, I'm pretty certain that the bad
blood is going to get a lot worse. The Gulf Breeze case is a lot more divisive
than people realize. Hoax or not, its an absolute travesty, and will make a
shambles of several careers and at least one organization.
A major summit may be in the offing, but its going to have to be a very
private one, involving responsible people, not a big public show that includes
all the loudest barkers.
Jim
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: ILL BREEZE
Date: 20 Jul 90 05:49:00 GMT
> Jim,
>
> I have a copy of a recent letter that Bruce Maccabee wrote to the editor
> of the Gulf Breeze Sentinel concerning the Mayor of Gulf Breeze. I think
> that you might find it interesting if you don't already have it. Bruce
> was in rare form on this one and flamed the Mayor royally without
> getting down and dirty. After reading it, I decided that I should take
> lessons from him should I ever want to flame anyone without getting
> kicked out of the network..This was a real work of art...
>
Yeah, I read it, I think it was posted here. That's so typical of Bruce,
though, the man's practically an automaton. That's why it was so kickass when
he tore off his shirt and tie at MUFON 88 and exposed a Twilight Zone T-Shirt.
I like Bruce a lot, and still have some respect for him, its just waning
quickly with every day that he doesn't backtrack on his stance even just a
little.
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From: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English)
Subject: Re: Recent Developments
Date: 20 Jul 90 02:11:00 GMT
In a message to Jim Speiser <00-00-80 0:00> John Burke wrote:
JB>Jim: Well, now it looks like "Mr. Team Player" - Bill
JB>Moore (known for his supportive assistance in the
JB>investigations conducted by Paul Bennewitz) is coming to
JB>the rescue once again. It appears that he has been in
JB>touch with Avon Books (publisher of _Roswell_). As a
JB>result, the previously-announced release date in November
JB>has become a big question mark. Of course, I'm sure that
JB>Bill is acting in the best interests of all ufologists, as
JB>he usually does.
Hmmmm....Bill Moore, like Bill Cooper just doesn't know when he's finished.
After that fiasco at the MUFON Conference in `89 where he committed what
ammounted to professional suicide you'd think that he would work quietly and
not get involved anymore. Even Stanton Friedman agrees with me on this one.
He told me during a phone conversation that he tried to caution Bill about
his speech, but to no avail....
Bill English
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From: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English)
Subject: Re: 6 AWOLS found in GB
Date: 20 Jul 90 02:15:00 GMT
In a message to All <00-00-80 0:00> Richard Peek wrote:
RP>Does anyone think it suspicious that one of the AWOL
RP>persons missing from Germany was found it Gulf Breeze. As
RP>soon as they said access to classified information, bells
RP>went off. Any comments??
Richard,
So far from what I have seen the detail of the incident are extremely
obscure. Would you be kind enough to fill in the gaps. I have heard from
several different sources that there was a group arrested in Germany that
had a connection somehow to Gulf Breeze and that they were arrested for
Counter-espionage. I Would appreciate any clarification you might be able to
give..
Kind regards,
Bill English
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From: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English)
Subject: Re: Military Cult in GB?
Date: 20 Jul 90 16:43:00 GMT
In a message to All <00-00-80 0:00> Jim Speiser wrote:
JS>There has been a development of possibly extraordinary
JS>significance (and possibly none at all) in the Gulf Breeze
JS>case. The following AP article says it all.
JS>------------------
JS> GULF BREEZE, Fla. (AP) -- Six soldiers who disappeared
JS>from a classified
JS>intelligence unit in West Germany and believed to be
Jim,
Many thanks for supplying this information. It certainly clears up a lot of
the rumors that have been floating around during the past few days. BTW are
you aware of Clifford Stone? I think there is an interesting connection
here. I will leave a message over in P_SYSOPs..
Bill
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From: Steve.Peterson@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Peterson)
Subject: Re: More Stuff..
Date: 21 Jul 90 04:15:00 GMT
Don,
Just wondering if you are familiar with the yearly "MOst
Censored/under-reported news stories" report that comes out
of Sonoma State University? Every year they assemble a panel
of judges from around the country, and select the 10 best. Its
veeery interesting! Steve
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From: Steve.Peterson@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Peterson)
Subject: Re: Ill Breeze
Date: 21 Jul 90 04:17:00 GMT
John,
I'll have to backtrack through my message base to see if I
can find the source. I'll let you know what I turn up.
Steve
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