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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 265
Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 265
Saturday, July 14th 1990
Today's Topics:
Re: Stealth/Area 51
Re: GB VIDEO
Re: GB Video
Re: GB Video
Gulf Breeze update
Gulf Breeze update
New User
ILL BREEZE update
Triangular UFO?
Pensacola
Re: ILL BREEZE
Re: Triangular UFO?
Re: Triangular UFO?
An Open Letter to Mr. Ed
An Open Letter to Mr. Ed
Re: An Open Letter to Mr. Ed
Re: An Open Letter to Mr. Ed
ZAPRUDER FILM
Triangular UFO
More Ill Breeze
Gulf Breeze
Re: An Open Letter to Mr. Ed
Gulf Breeze
NEW INFORMATION
Re: GB CIRCLE
Re: GB Circle
Communion
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: Stealth/Area 51
Date: 3 Jun 90 08:56:00 GMT
> Tim: There was an article about the "atomic plane" published
> recently & I can't remember where I saw it
It was about an atomic rocket in Air & Space Smithsonian.
One thing I found extremely interesting was that the article said
the nuclear engine had been successfully test-fired several times.
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From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: GB VIDEO
Date: 10 Jun 90 09:50:39 GMT
My wife is the major skeptic of the household, but she saw the variation in
the clip that I missed. I have the usual problem that I want to find
something concrete that shows me that evidence exists proving to my mind that
UFO's are more than an unidentified event in time seen by someone who is
dreaming. I know that the most convincing evidence would be me seeing a UFO,
but I never have. I look at the evidence, read the stories, and it's like
trying to imagine a bee flying when it's supposed to be scientifically
impossible. ( I guess I contradict myself) Meanwhile for some reason I know
something is happening, people are not making it up, and we don't know what
it is! I've never seen anything that can't be explained, but I know something
is happening to others.
So meanwhile back at the ranch... I have looked at the GB videos that are
available, I only have limited access to the numerous photos, and something
is really wrong with the whole thing. I wish I could see the whole photo
collection and then make a valid decision. From what I have seen it looks
like a lamp reflection on glass or an image transmitted into the lens at the
same time a photo is made by refraction. Like I said I wish I could see more.
Something like Night Siege means more than someone who can get photos at
will. Guess I have to wait and see when someone finally comes up with the
first ever good photo/video of a UFO which is not suspicious in nature.
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: GB Video
Date: 11 Jun 90 17:34:00 GMT
> I was told Mcabee was
> going to put out a paper somewhare detailing the specifics of
> his photo analysis; do you know if he has done so? Was it in
> the GB Book?
He's published the paper he presented to MUFON a while back, and
he's published an analysis of Ed's videotape. They're very interesting
reading and give lots more info than the book.
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: GB Video
Date: 11 Jun 90 17:35:01 GMT
> On a great many of them, there are
> reflections of lights that in my experiance are a rarity on
> photos and videos, but Walters seems to be plagued by them
> judging by the videos and photos he takes.
Specifically in what pictures?
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Gulf Breeze update
Date: 11 Jun 90 23:49:00 GMT
From the Orlando Sentinel June 10, 1990:
UFO Flap. A model flying saucer that looks like the UFOs in
photographs taken by (Gulf Breeze) resident Ed Walters has been found
in the attic of a house where he lived when the pictures were taken.
The photos, published three years ago, attracted national attention.
The model, made from four plastic foam plates and drafting paper,
was found by the new resident of Walters' former home, the Pensacola
News Journal reported Sunday.
Walters said the model was planted to debunk him.
Don Ware, a former Air Force pilot who has investigated 35 sightings
in the Gulf Breeze area, agreed. "The evidence is far too overwhelming
for this thing to be a hoax," Ware said.
Comment:
If Ed's photos were of a model, then he's discovered something even
more significant than ufos....levitation.
Note that there are about 129 other sighting reports in the area.
Also note that the MUFON symposium is only about a month away.
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Gulf Breeze update
Date: 12 Jun 90 00:17:00 GMT
In light of the previous message of the news story about the model
ufo, I gave Don Ware a call. Here's the gist of that conversation.
Don Ware said that the model was found in March but that no one had
made much of it since it didn't look like anything in Ed's photos.
"None of the photos that Ed took were of that model," Ware said.
He said it was basically similar to the Type 1 ufo but lacked
'windows' and other features.
Ware said that real estate salesmen had shown the house to
prospective buyers for a long time, and that it was open many times.
He said that the model had been put into the attic through a doorway
in the garage ceiling.
"People had access to the house for several months," he said.
Ware said that he knows of at least four people who are actively
debunking the Ed Walters case.
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From: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen)
Subject: New User
Date: 12 Jun 90 00:35:00 GMT
FJ>If you know of anyone in that area,please leave me a message or
have them
leave me one so I can give them her name and number.
@ Well,I've read John Hick's response to you and it sounds
pretty good. Nothing like having connections. ;^)
_Don Allen_
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: ILL BREEZE update
Date: 12 Jun 90 07:31:01 GMT
> house, or someone - with no known motive and no means of access
> - planted a fake model in Ed's attic
According to Don Ware, real estate salesmen were showing the empty
house to lots of people for several months......means of access.
> Wish I could afford to make it to the MUFON symposium!
I'll be there. About 250 miles away. Already reserved and
everything.
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Triangular UFO?
Date: 12 Jun 90 07:34:02 GMT
> I need some information on any aircraft (known) that arranges
> its' lights in a triangular configuration....
That sounds suspiciously like the Hudson Valley UFO, and to some
extent similar to UFOs seen over Belgium recently.
No known aircraft would have 10 bright lights on its under side, or
the other lights. You'd expect red, green and maybe a couple of white
strobes.
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Pensacola
Date: 12 Jun 90 07:35:03 GMT
I was told the other day that several people saw a night-light type
UFO over downtown Pensacola last week. No other details yet.
jbh
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From: Jerry.Woody@f24.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jerry Woody)
Subject: Re: ILL BREEZE
Date: 13 Jun 90 04:10:00 GMT
In a message to All <06-10-90 16:47> Jim Speiser wrote:
JS]>EXTRA! EXTRA! GULF BREEZE HOAX UNRAVELS!!!!
JS]>In a series of shocking developments, the Gulf Breeze case,
JS]>touted as "The Most Astounding Wave of Sightings in US
JS]>History," has been positively shown to be a hoax. The
What of the other 100+ people that have seen the UFO over Gulf Breeze?
Jerry
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From: Jerry.Woody@f24.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jerry Woody)
Subject: Re: Triangular UFO?
Date: 18 Jun 90 23:45:00 GMT
In a message to Jerry Woody <06-16-90 03:34> JOHN KOMAR wrote:
JK]>Jerry, any new developments on this?
Nope.... tried watching for it last Monday night... got a sore neck from
looking up :-).
Heard it was going to be in the Bangor Cave area over the weekend, but
didn't get down there to look for it.
Jer
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From: Jerry.Woody@f24.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jerry Woody)
Subject: Re: Triangular UFO?
Date: 18 Jun 90 23:46:00 GMT
In a message to Jerry Woody <06-14-90 22:58> Jim Speiser wrote:
JS]>Jerry! Pick up Night Siege! Quickly! You're missing out on
JS]>Ufology's best case!
10-4. I'm going to Huntsville fairly soon, if the bookstores up there don't
have it....
Jerry
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: An Open Letter to Mr. Ed
Date: 18 Jun 90 19:06:00 GMT
JS> I believe Ed said on CI$ that he had made several "models"
JS> for such purposes, he said nothing about "common objects."
JS> Did he mention anything about having made models to you?
Both he and Maccabee mentioned taking photos of things of known sizes, but
neither ever mentioned the term "model."
At Miami, he and Maccabee took several photos of a concrete block (part of
a wall). They measured the block and measured the distance. The purpose was
to determine what image size resulted from photographing a thing of known
size from a known distance with the new camera. I watched and even took a
picture of Maccabee taking a picture.
A few passersby stop to watch these odd people taking pictures of a wall
at mid-day in Miami Beach. ;-)
Anyway, no one ever mentioned "model" or "building models" except when I
specifically asked Macabee to explain how he'd ruled out the use of a model.
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: An Open Letter to Mr. Ed
Date: 18 Jun 90 19:09:00 GMT
> I believe Ed said on CI$ that he had made several "models" for
Also I believe I can infer the use of common object as "models"
rather than the use of a "model", as in likeness.
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: An Open Letter to Mr. Ed
Date: 18 Jun 90 20:11:01 GMT
> John Hicks posted a few weeks back, something about a buoy
> marker off the Gulf of Mexico that wasn't even on the deep
> water charts..hmmmmm...I smell a deep water rat here..
Let me clarify. This set of buoys appeared on the next chart
updates. Nothing strange.
However, they belong to the USAF, and what they're used for, I have
no idea. Possibly navaids, since that area is right next to a loran
station, maybe too close to use loran for air navigation.
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: An Open Letter to Mr. Ed
Date: 18 Jun 90 20:12:02 GMT
> You tell me..maybe we can work out something as I only
> live a good 4 or so hours drive away from GB, and I
> like you want to know for sure.
I'm going up for the MUFON symposium. Maybe I'll get lucky. ;-)
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: ZAPRUDER FILM
Date: 18 Jun 90 20:13:03 GMT
> Pete, one of the interesting aspects of the Zapruder film is
> that Life magazine published two sets of frame prints: In the
There's a book by Loudon Wainright that goes deeply into the Z film
and LIFE. Can't remember the name of the book right off.
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Triangular UFO
Date: 18 Jun 90 20:15:04 GMT
> Jim Speiser is correct. We provided Bruce with a
> negative and print of a triangular object which was photographed
OK. He mentioned it in passing and may have just forgotten. Of he
may have been meaning that he hadn't gotten one from the Gulf Breeze
area.
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: More Ill Breeze
Date: 18 Jun 90 21:32:00 GMT
I just talked with Vicki Lyons in GB, and she said that it was a
phone call to Chief Brown from a teenager, and Brown recorded the
call.
She said she didn't know if the caller's identity was known, but she
said that Brown and Mayor Ed Gray refused to reveal the identity of the
caller, if indeed they know it.
So what we're left with is a caller, possibly anonymous, but at
least anonymous to the public, who told Brown that he saw Ed faking
pictures. That's it.
Lyons said that Brown and Gray have been actively opposed to the ufo
flap and the attendent notoriety since the sightings first became
public. "We have finally put this matter to be," she quoted Gray as
saying.
She said that MUFON has challenged the person to come forward,
publicly or privately, and take a lie detector test and/or voice
stress analysis test, paid for by MUFON. The Walters have both offered
to take another series of tests.
If anyone can tell me a name and phone number of the caller, I'll
run it down.
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Gulf Breeze
Date: 19 Jun 90 05:38:00 GMT
My wife's getting sick of me walking around muttering, but I'm
damned if I can figure a way 36L and 36R could have been hoaxed other
than all people present being in on the hoax. I'd think that many
people would spring a leak.
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From: Don.Allen@f17.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen)
Subject: Re: An Open Letter to Mr. Ed
Date: 19 Jun 90 03:57:00 GMT
Good Luck on the conference, John. Maybe we can finally get to
the bottom of all of this. And thanks for straightening me out
on the Deep Marker Buoy..it probably is for Loran but ya never
know.
Water on the bottom of a craft...hmmmmmm.
Naw....that's *too* "Cooperish"!
-Don Allen-
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From: Kurt.Lochner@p100.f66.n147.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Kurt Lochner)
Subject: Gulf Breeze
Date: 19 Jun 90 08:49:25 GMT
> My wife's getting sick of me walking around
> muttering, but I'm damned if I can figure a way 36L
> and 36R could have been hoaxed other than all people
> present being in on the hoax. I'd think that many
> people would spring a leak.
Well, if it doesn't or does, fretting about it will make the
time pass poorly until we "finally know"....I believe that
the scrutiny that we invoke with our discussions is enough
of a test for the patent falsifications to fall flat,
and soon enough, I might add...
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From: Fred.Kay@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Fred Kay)
Subject: NEW INFORMATION
Date: 18 Jun 90 19:56:40 GMT
ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) -- Scientists say they have made the most detailed
look at the center of the Milky Way galaxy and found what appears to be a
massive black hole gobbling up one star every 5,000 to 10,000 years.
Computer-generated pictures released Wednesday at a American Astronomical
Society meeting show an object 1 million times the size of the sun that seems
to be spinning off what appears to be clusters of gas, said Northwestern
University astronomer Farhad Yusef-Zadeh.
"This is the most detailed look at the center of our galaxy, and it is
similar, in a scaled-down version, to what we expect to see in the nuclei of
active galaxies," said Yusef-Zadeh said in a telephone interview Wednesday
night."Super-massive black holes are believed to be imbedded at the center of
these galaxies."
A black hole is believed to be an imploded star, a massive object so dense
that even light cannot escape its gravitational pull. It is sucking in one
star
every 5,000 to 10,000 years, he said. It is 25,000 light years from Earth.
"It's an arena where gravity has a complete triumph over all other
forces,"
he said of his research that involved three years of observations through the
Very Large Array radiotelescope.
The pictures of the object, called Sagittarius A, show at least seven
clumps
of gas surrounding it and seeming to spiral outward from it, as if being
sprayed out from something rapidly spinning.
"This is the first time you can actually see bloblike sources near the
galactic center," Yusef-Zadeh said.
Until now, he said, it had not been clear whether Sagittarius A or a star
cluster called IRS 16 was really at the center of the galaxy.
"We believe that we have good evidence that Sagittarius A is truly at the
center of our galaxy and is responsible for energizing its immediate
vicinity,"
he said.
Although nothing can escape the interior of a black hole, Yusef-Zadeh said
that gas, dust and stars drawn toward it are believed to form a swirling
disc.
The black hole's gravity, astronomers believe, heats this material to such an
extent that some of the matter is blown back outward by the radiation
pressure
and by a wind similar to solar wind.
Scientists cannot actually see the black hole but can record the energy
spewing out from it -- an amount roughly equal to the power that would be
radiated by 10 million suns. The radiotelescope can measure radio waves and
infrared radiation.
The study was done in collaboration with astronomers Mark Morris, of
University of California, Los Angeles, and Ron Ekers of the Australian
Telescope at Epping, Australia.
>> Just sent this for those of you who are looking to space for UFO bases.
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: GB CIRCLE
Date: 26 May 90 15:41:01 GMT
PP> As for sonic booms I believe they dissipate after 15 miles.
Sounds reasonable. It'd be the inverse-square principle, I think.
PP> I remember an article which had nothing to do with UFO's
PP> but did have something to do with agronomy (sp?) they were
PP> writing about different types of blights that made circles
PP> on the ground. One makes silver dollar size collections
PP> (not really important) that are nearly perfect circles.
We're talking circles from about four feet diameter, to maybe 100 feet (in
England). The first circle that appeared in Gulf Breeze was about eight feet
in diameter.
Big bugs? ;-)
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: GB Circle
Date: 27 May 90 04:43:01 GMT
> But, while I and you may not be in a position to actually
> take samples and really investigate the circle and can only
> speculate one it, the "investigators" that are on the scene
> ought to be doing more then that sort of off hand dismisal.
I called up Don Ware and asked him that question. He told me that
Rex and Carol Salisbury of MUFON are heading the investigation into
the circles, so he didn't know all the details. He did tell me a few
things.
"The grass in the first circle had no signs of damage," Ware said.
The first circle was about eight feet in diameter.
He said that, strangely, the flattened grass continued to grow
*horizontally* while new grass grew vertically, like normal grass.
He said that the investigators checked for damage to the grass
itself, checked for radiation, and set up observation of the growth
pattern of the grass within the circle.
He said he thought soil samples had been taken, but didn't know for
sure.
Ware said that the grass in the second larger circle was damaged,
and the investigators rated it much less credible.
He said he'd heard a rumor of a third circle being found, but didn't
know for sure about that either.
Ware did throw in an interesting little tidbit. "The Salisburys had
seen similar circles a couple of years ago," he said.
jbh
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From: Jacques.Poulet@f36.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jacques Poulet)
Subject: Communion
Date: 26 May 90 15:55:00 GMT
Hi!
About the Streiber book/movie Communion, I've recently got
the opportunity to talk with Budd Hopkins who was the investigator
used by Streiber for his book. I asked M. Hopkins about Communion.
His comments were sugesting that IT IS a true story, but
there was some 'sugar' added to it. He also mentioned that, even
considering the fact it is true, Streiber's love for money place him
on a bad position.
There is a strong critism from Thomas M. Disch in Interzone
(mag from UK). M. Disch have nothing to prove his comments beside
the vague ressemblance between Communion and Pain (a previous book
from Streiber). They don't seems to like each other, maybe that's
why he tries to ridicul Communion.
Jacques Poulet
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