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Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume 1 Number 267
Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 267
Monday, July 16th 1990
Today's Topics:
Tidbits
Mag-> Ufo Universe
Re: Rep Rips E.t.
The Record
GB evidence chain
Traffic
More GB
Re: video
Re: tidbits
Radar track
New Book
Re: Recent Developments
Re:Hangar 18.
Mr Ed GB and conf
Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE
Re: Teller Is Loose Again..
Re: tidbits
GB evidence chain
Traffic
GB debate
Overall refuted
Re: video
Re: tidbits
Re: More GB
ILL BREEZE
Re: TIDBITS
Re: Ill Breeze
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From: Michael.Corbin@f1.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Tidbits
Date: 14 Jul 90 23:44:00 GMT
> Someone killed the power at the Pensacola Civic Center
> during Ed's presentation. Confirmed by management. Wonder
> who?
I know who did this and why...it was for the sensationalism and
for future releases about the mysterious "UFO Occupants."
Mike
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From: Michael.Corbin@f1.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Mag-> Ufo Universe
Date: 14 Jul 90 23:47:00 GMT
> paying Antonio to write for them. He's a professional
> writer, he lives a spartan life, and he is a damned
> outstanding ufologist.
I am curious as to what Antonio's credentials are and what makes
him so outstanding?
Mike
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From: Michael.Corbin@f1.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Re: Rep Rips E.t.
Date: 14 Jul 90 23:49:00 GMT
To: Edward Sanborn
> Mike, what about for starters on this 'Estimate of the
> Situation' (which
> by the way I'm happy to see instigated) using Bob
> Bletchman's 4-page
> Q & A paper entitled 'Exposing the Ultimate Secret - The
> Case for a
> Congressional Inquiry'. Granted this would be just a
> start. I'll contact
> Bob to let him know about the idea and the deadline. Bob,
> BTW, is MUFON's
> Public Relations Director. Let me know if you don't have a
> copy of the
> paper, if you don't I'll fax it to you.
Let me know on this ASAP. I am getting material ready, and thanks.
Mike
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From: Michael.Corbin@f1.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin)
Subject: The Record
Date: 15 Jul 90 01:44:00 GMT
AN OPEN LETTER TO WALTER ANDRUS, INTERNATIONAL DIRECTOR, MUFON
(MUTUAL UFO NETWORK)
July 14, 1990
Dear Walt,
I was alerted to a comment which you made in the June issue of
the MUFON Journal where you stated that I have moved three times
in a short period of time and that, "instability of this nature
is not conducive to consistent and reliable communication..."
concerning ParaNet Information Service.
In the interest of promoting consistent and reliable
communication, I wish to state for the record the inaccuracy of
your statement.
My recent personal moves have nothing to do with ParaNet in that
ParaNet is not dependent upon my being in one place to assure its
integrity and reliability. My personal problems should never
have been brought into this picture as they are not germain to
this issue. However, since you felt it necessary, for perhaps
political reasons, to bring it into the picture, I will explain
what took place and how it has never threatened or breached the
integrity of the ParaNet network. I was the owner of a
successful real estate brokerage in Denver. However, as most
people know, the Denver economy has suffered serious setbacks. I
was struck with this peril and could not continue in business.
After earning a fairly comfortable income over the years, I found
it immediately necessary to make some adjustments to my lifestyle
to assure my continued ability to live. Unfortunately, it took a
serious toll on me, and required that I consider the possibility
of relocating to another city to make a living. I received a job
offer to host a talk show in Las Vegas, and after careful
consideration, I decided to move there. Once in Nevada, I found
it totally unacceptable to my lifestyle and I decided to move on.
Thus, I moved to Los Angeles where I have found a good job and
have been able to settle into my own home after being on the go
since early March. Shortly after my move from Denver, Paul
Faeder, ParaNet's Director of Network Development, assumed the
duties of mail hubbing and the flow of information continued in
my absence. During this time that I was in absentia, the network
continued normal business while I operated and performed
administrative duties from a network point system. At no time
was the integrity or the success of ParaNet in any jeopardy, and
clearly my decision to move was not a factor in any of this. The
"threat" was ill-perceived by only a few ParaNet members, and
quickly dispelled when Paul began mail hubbing.
I have arrived at the conclusion that you were either fed
incorrect information or you simply misunderstand the operation
of a network of this kind. If it is the first reason, John Komar
was fully aware of the continued operation of ParaNet and should
have informed you of the status since he was communicating with
you on a regular basis.
As the Director of ParaNet, I have enjoyed my relationship with
MUFON and feel that your organization is a valuable outlet of
information. However, I do not feel that our efforts should be
viewed as competitive as you appeared to be inferring in your
commentary. It is not my desire to point out MUFON's
inconsistencies and shortcomings, and I feel that you took
advantage of my personal tragedies to downplay the importance of
ParaNet's purpose in the UFOlogical community. For this, I would
hope that you would correct your comments in the upcoming
journal.
I see that we have important functions independent of each other
while acting in a collective effort to bring as many people
together in an open forum for the exchange of information
regardless of their membership status in one group over another.
This is the sole reason that I consented to the electronic link
between ParaNet and MUFON. I do not view it as a means whereby
MUFON can attract ParaNet participants for an exclusive MUFON
network. That is totally counterproductive as ParaNet has
successfully demonstrated its ability to provide that open forum.
Is there a need for two distinct entities performing the same
function? I say no, and further that something of this nature
only serves to further confuse the information already flowing by
forcing people to go to two sources. It is ParaNet's intention
to avoid providing editorial control over the data available and
because we are not a professional research organization we can
handle our tasks without charges of conflict of interest and the
serving of one particular purpose. We investigate and report
about everything, not just what one group or another is doing.
I do hope that we can move forward and put this difference behind
us as I feel that UFOlogical research matters are more important
than infighting and back-biting.
With respect to my membership fee, the money is on its way to you
in the mail together with a little extra to compensate for the
inconvenience caused on the first check. I certainly hope that
this has not caused a problem. In the meantime, ParaNet still
has a Las Vegas mailing address pending the arrangement of a
California post office box. We also have a new set of telephone
numbers. They are:
ParaNet Information Service
Michael Corbin
P.O. Box 87797
Las Vegas, NV 89193-7797
[714]982-2254 Voice & FAX
[714-985-0666 Data
Respectfully,
Michael Corbin
Director
ParaNet Information Service
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From: Jym.Fox@f13.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jym Fox)
Subject: GB evidence chain
Date: 12 Jul 90 14:23:02 GMT
John, but who has seen the model and held it in their hot little
hands????
Jym
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From: Steve.Rose@p1.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Rose)
Subject: Traffic
Date: 12 Jul 90 19:43:33 GMT
In a message to All <29 Jun 90 22:51:00> Jim Speiser wrote:
JS> was written by Bruce Maccabee. Has his work on the Gulf Breeze case
JS> made anyone suspicious of his work on other cases? Depends on how
JS> you view Gulf Breeze, I guess. I'm just trying to get things stirred
JS> up here. And let's not see all the same hands....
I "view" Gulf Breeze as the sleepy little oversized Sand-bar which decided to
get their name pencilled in on the maps one year. Problem is, they are now
stuck with something that won't go away, so they are forced to keep up the
appearances to maintain some semblence of credibility.
Please, no flame. But I do get a bit tired of their tricks at tourism, IMHO.
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From: Tyson.Mitchiner@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Tyson Mitchiner)
Subject: More GB
Date: 12 Jul 90 23:37:00 GMT
It's good you now have a change of perception... I believe that the
best viewpoint to take is a neutral stance.. no absolutes..
What I mean is listen to what the pro-UFO people say, listen to what
the skeptics say, and weigh the possibilities of each... As of now I
have no proof or anything to say "UFO's are real craft made by
aliens and theyre abducting us", but considering how many reports
and how much information has come in, the probability is pretty high
that there ARE aliens.
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: video
Date: 13 Jul 90 19:12:00 GMT
> John, I just missed you at the symposium! Madeline saw you,
> shouted to me, but I was too late! You had a purple striped
> shirt on. Oh well, maybe next one..
I wanted to meet you too. I spent so much time looking at nametags I
didn't see many faces. ;-)
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: tidbits
Date: 13 Jul 90 19:13:01 GMT
> Hmm. we were on Gulf Breeze beach that night, but didn't see
> anything. Must have been the sand dune.
I understand Friday night's sighting was around 02:30 and Saturday
night's was about 04:30. No other info.
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Radar track
Date: 13 Jul 90 19:32:02 GMT
From a wire article in the Orlando Sentinel 7/13/90........
BRUSSELS, Belgium - The Belgian Air Force has joined scores of
Belgians befuddled by hundreds of UFO sightings across night skies in
recent months.
Two air force F-16 jet fighters used their radar screens to track an
object that, according to a military official, "exceeded the limits of
conventional aviation."
Belgian Air Force Col. Wilfried de Brouwer said Wednesday the UFO
dived from about 10,000 to 4,000 feet in two seconds. At the same
time, it increased its speed from 600 to 1,100 miles an hour.
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From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser)
Subject: New Book
Date: 14 Jul 90 20:24:00 GMT
Dr. Richard Haines is coming out with a new book in a couple of months,
titled "Advanced Aerial Devices Reported During the Korean War." Haines says
its exhaustively researched, and knowing his work, I believe it. The
publisher is taking advance orders now at the following address:
LDA Publications
PO BOX 880
Los Altos 94023-0880
The cost is $9.50 + 1.25 S/H within the United States.
Please be sure and mention ParaNet when ordering.
Jim
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From: Steve.Peterson@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Peterson)
Subject: Re: Recent Developments
Date: 16 Jul 90 04:26:00 GMT
Jim,
Another question. How could I get the title of book, etc, of
the Randle (sp?) study of the Roswell case? I'am also trying
to locate a copy of 'Night Siege', any comments on either case,
and or information for locating sources would be most welcome.
P.S. Under the topic of general information-
According to William Burrows in 'Deep Black', a KH-11
spy satellite has a resolution a acouple inches from
approx. 100 miles up.
Steve
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From: Mike.Keithly@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mike Keithly)
Subject: Re:Hangar 18.
Date: 16 Jul 90 04:51:00 GMT
I thought that the Hangar 18 incident was based on the 1947 Roswell
New Mexico UFO,i liked the movie Darren Mc gaven was in it as i recall.
Mike Keithly
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From: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen)
Subject: Mr Ed GB and conf
Date: 15 Jul 90 06:37:00 GMT
JS> > Thanks..it was getting old that every time the "wind blew" we
JS> > were losing our feed. I bet I spend a small fortune calling up
JS> > SwampGas (grin).
JS>
JS> But of course it was worth it, right? :->
JS>
AHA!!! This is an *old* posting...
You have just proved what I've long suspected..That the FEED
out of the state of Florida is being delayed somewheres.
Either that or you *just* got the message yourself.
Look at the date on the header of that message Jim and tell me
how _old_ is it.
I posted that at _least_ a coupla months ago.
JS> But of course it was worth it, right? :->
Sure and it'll be more worth it when I get my hands on a 9600!
-Don Allen-
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From: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen)
Subject: Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE
Date: 15 Jul 90 06:41:01 GMT
JS> Don:
JS>
JS> UFO UNIVERSE is basically 80% hype, with a few decent
JS> writers and ufologists, such as Antonio and Phil Imbrogno.
JS> I say this without disdain, as I have recently come to like
JS> and respect Tim Beckley as a friend and as a surprisingly
JS> honest guy - "Hey, people pay for this stuff, should I not
JS> take the money?" For better or for worse, he sells a LOT of
JS> magazines, and a LOT of ad space, to whoever wants to pay
JS> for it. He then pays people to write for his magazine. And
JS> for better or for worse, money talks. I'm glad SOMEONE is
JS> paying Antonio to write for them. He's a professional
JS> writer, he lives a spartan life, and he is a damned
JS> outstanding ufologist.
JS>
JS> Jim
JS>
I see your point about Beckley. "commander ufo"
As for Antonio..he may have gotten in over his head with the South
African UFO story he authored. I've since heard many others tell
me that it was quite bogus. I have the article he wrote. Seems
like it was based on lots of third party info.
-Don Allen-
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From: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen)
Subject: Re: Teller Is Loose Again..
Date: 15 Jul 90 07:13:02 GMT
FC>I think you have to consider all the variables in such things as this. First,
American journalism is notorious for exaggerating minoe details to fit a
commercial product. Every news organization in this country is controlled by a
businessman who is looking to make a profit and though they may put the news
director or editor on the stand to defend their position, if they don't sell
papers or commercials, they're on the road.
While I would agree in principle with this..the article in question
was/is a "filler" that was relegated to the backwaters of the fluff
part of the paper (Orlando Sentinel) that carries movie ads,society
"news" and other real heady stuff, so I don't see any connection
there with any editors/writors trying to slant a story..I think
it was just dropped in to fill an otherwise empty space. I just
found it amusing...
The piece wasn't even written by a member of the Sentinel staff,as
you will note at the top of the article it was a wirepiece from
Knight-Ridder.
FC>Second, Teller would have to classified as a genius regardless of
how anyone feels about his work and he simply could have been doing
calculations and theorizing while talking to a group.
Very possibly..but are you sure we're talking about the same
guy? This is the same guy who believes actively in doing nuclear
testing, no MATTER what the rest of the world is doing to lessen
tensions or beat the swords into plows..don't get me started on
Teller now...I'm not saying that he's NOT a genius..but I would
have to question his -judgement- at making such a statement to
a ROTARY CLUB ON RECORD. The guy's solution to everything it
seems is to push the button.
I won't bore you with _other_ details of Teller. Let others
here fill you in.
The posting was meant to be in humour with all the vets here
on the net, who are more than well aquainted with Dr Teller's
record.
My personal opinion of his remarks is that it shows just how
much out-of_step he really is with reality. Unfortunately,
although people here on the net will realize the article for
the humorous content that it was...some memebers of that Rotary
Club (and don't forget the meteorologist mentioned) probably
took him _seriously_.
This is the guy who the phrase "How I stopped worrying and learned
how to love THE BOMB" was made FOR.
-Don Allen-
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: tidbits
Date: 14 Jul 90 18:10:00 GMT
> John -- re: the gossip you heard to the effect that Stan
> Friedman authenticated 3 of the MJ12 documents at a cost to
> Klass of $1000.
Not gossip. Straight out of Stan Friedman's report. By authenticated
I mean he disproved the signature copy idea, disproved the typestyle
objection, and found many other links that support the three documents
in question.
None of the things I mentioned were gossip or rumor in any way.
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: GB evidence chain
Date: 14 Jul 90 18:13:01 GMT
> John, but who has seen the model and held it in their hot
> little hands????
So far as I know, the finder, the newspaper people, and the various
MUFON investigators.
Pictures of it as published in the News-Journal were seen many
times. Ed even showed a slide of their attempt to make a ufo photo in
his presentation. Close, but no cigar.
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Traffic
Date: 14 Jul 90 18:20:02 GMT
> I "view" Gulf Breeze as the sleepy little oversized Sand-bar
Then you have a completely wrong view. Gulf Breeze is a fairly small
upscale bedroom community on a peninsula in Pensacola Bay. On one side
is Pensacola Beach, which would be comparable to, say, New Smyrna
Beach. On the other side is Pensacola and surrounding suburbs, a large
urban sprawl, home to a US Naval Air Station, a Naval aviation
training field and the USS Lexington.
In other words, a fairly large metropolitan area.
In this metropolitan area, 294 sighting reports by more than 250
different people, not including Ed, have been filed with MUFON. Many
of the reports are of incidents that took place years ago.
A late development......
Recently reports have been of red lights in the sky that behave very
oddly. A retired fisherman (shrimper, I think) called up an
investigator and said that they've been seeing the red lights in the
area for decades. *Before* all the aircraft traffic in the area.
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: GB debate
Date: 14 Jul 90 18:24:03 GMT
Forget about Ed Walters for a moment.
What would you think of 294 sighting reports made to MUFON by more
than 250 different people, as of last Sunday?
That's what's going on in the Pensacola area.
jbh
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From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks)
Subject: Overall refuted
Date: 15 Jul 90 02:47:00 GMT
Gulf Breeze Double Trouble
by John B. Hicks
In his recent publication, Gulf Breeze Double Exposed, Zan Overall
attempts to prove that Ed Walters knew how to make a double exposure with
his Polaroid camera as early as 1986.
If this knowledge were proven, serious doubt would be cast on Walters'
credibility, since he told MUFON investigators that he did not know how to
make a double exposure in 1987.
Overall's examination of the subject is coherent except that he
apparently overlooked one vital factor, as we will see.
Overall uses the now infamous "Ghost Demon" photograph as the basis of
his conclusion. He concludes that the anomalous blobs of light in the upper
left area of the photograph could not be the result of anything other than
an intentional double exposure.
The "Ghost Demon" photograph:
The photograph in question was taken by Ed Walters at a party in his
house in 1986 with his Polaroid camera on Type 108 film. The photograph is
of a girl standing in front of a background, which has been identified as a
black-painted plywood support board for Walters' son's science fair
project. Above the girl's left shoulder appears several large, unsharp
blobs of light areas which some claim is supposed to represent the image of
a ghost or demon.
The camera:
The camera Walters used is an unknown model Polaroid camera. It takes
Type 108 or Type 107 (black and white) film, has an autoexposure
capability, and uses flashcubes. The camera is about 14 years old.
If the light level drops below the capability of the autoexposure
system, the shutter stays open for as long as the shutter button is
depressed.
Zan Overall's thesis:
Overall proposes that the "Ghost Demon" picture could only have been made
by an intentional double exposure. That is, he claims that the picture
could only be the result of taking a picture of whatever would provide the
desired effect, and then taking a picture of the girl on the same sheet of
film.
Discussion:
Overall overlooked or did not know of two very important factors, both of
which were involved in the making of the UFO photographs, and would have
been involved in the making of the GD photograph.
***continued***
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From: John.Komar@f26.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Komar)
Subject: Re: video
Date: 14 Jul 90 11:12:00 GMT
In a message to John Komar <07-13-90 12:12> John Hicks wrote:
JH=> > John, I just missed you at the symposium! Madeline saw
JH=>you,
JH=> > shouted to me, but I was too late! You had a purple
JH=>striped
JH=> > shirt on. Oh well, maybe next one..
JH=> I wanted to meet you too. I spent so much time looking at
JH=>nametags I didn't see many faces. ;-)
he,he, I know the feeling! Talk about the saying, "your just a name to
me..."
Let me net mail you a few things, if it's okay.
regards, John
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From: John.Komar@f26.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Komar)
Subject: Re: tidbits
Date: 14 Jul 90 11:13:00 GMT
In a message to John Komar <07-13-90 12:13> John Hicks wrote:
JH=> > Hmm. we were on Gulf Breeze beach that night, but didn't
JH=>see
JH=> > anything. Must have been the sand dune.
JH=> I understand Friday night's sighting was around 02:30 and
JH=>Saturday night's was about 04:30. No other info.
We called it a nite about 0130! I wish I was still down there!
John
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From: Jym.Fox@f26.n123.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jym Fox)
Subject: Re: More GB
Date: 14 Jul 90 14:13:00 GMT
Gee,Jim.....Does he ever get on that other ECHO....you know the one I
mean.....
Hey Ray....are you ever over there?????
Jym "The OTHER moderator" Fox
ps....Don't forget I know where the SwampGas is <grin>.
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From: Steve.Rose@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Rose)
Subject: ILL BREEZE
Date: 14 Jul 90 17:57:00 GMT
* Replying to a message originally to Jerry Woody:
JS>
JS> Could Ed be working for the Feds?
Only in the sense that he pays taxes. ;-)
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From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: TIDBITS
Date: 13 Jul 90 17:19:48 GMT
As usual the rumor mill turns out 80% correct information? Actually the
purpose of this message is one of the last things you mentioned. A fake UFO
photo contest! What a great idea. This way it would be possible to find out
how future fakes may have been made, before much time and money is wasted in
analysis. Example: Some guy named Ed makes some photos using methods
documented from the contest. They can be seen and replicated and prevent
future frauds. (maybe I should have said some John Doe?) Anyway, it would be
interesting to see what people come up with, and what methods they use.
Creative photography!
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From: Steve.Peterson@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Peterson)
Subject: Re: Ill Breeze
Date: 16 Jul 90 04:19:00 GMT
Jim,
I have heard (read) that video was taken by someone, other
than Ed Walters, perporting to show a ufo 'shadowed' by two
military fighter aircraft. It would seem in my naive mode of
operation, that this video would be one of THE most important
of all time! Wouldn't it indicate gov't knowledge of said UFO,
and sorta be the 'smoking gun' against gov't denial?
Have you heard of this video, and if so, what is the current
status, of any on-going analysis pertaining to same?
Thanks, Steve
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